Tesla announces expected FSD approval date in Europe, regulators deny

>Modifying FSD to make it fully rule-compliant would make it unsafe and unusable in many cases Doesn't that just describe normal FSD?

😂 they are tripping.

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Europe will not accept a solution based on camera. Lidar should be the same way to move forward

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The fact that fElon needs to gaslight his customers into believing that FSD is safer if you just turn it on and let it go should tell you everything you need to know about him and his businesses.

This is not Texas, there are rules

Yup need to hit those milestones so the lies need to continue.

They announce that they expect? WTF.... that's nothing.

Most of what they announce is nothing. Still pumps the stonk.

Its okay if it doesnt happen, musk says that "Tesla is going to make more AI chips than all other companies combined"

And yet... Stock goes up

even if they get it, doubt it will be marketed 'full self driving' since over here that would mean what it says on the tin.

An announcement of an expectation? Who is believing this obvious bullshit? Fund managers, apparently. I think he is bribing them. It's the only thing I can come up with to explain it.

They would. The thing about European regulators is they want proof. Hard proof. Actual self driving has been so long in the works that the regulator has full regs out. They detail the stages and the criteria needed to be licences for each. Tesla is at stage 2. Out of 5, with 5 being what Tesla claims it’s at!

EU requires redundant sensors. No camera only system will ever get approval.

Tesla lied about when FSD will be approved? Unpossible. Musk and Tesla never lie about dates.

“Making it comply with the rules would make it more dangerous” is certainly… an opinion. 🤡

That's what the safety driver is for; additionally, they provide a new bio-adaptive computation element that is currently being trialed for release with the Cybercab.

The statement yet again is false. Tesla is not seeking FSD approval (it would be laughed at), they are hoping regulators will approve supervised FSD.

Tesla lying? WTF? /s

AR chips: artificial retardation.

No, they are hoping nobody notices they are lying, so the stock pumps.

The fact is FSD IS safer than human drivers. You don’t even use it, how the heck you would know? People really talk things out of their behind in this sub. Clueless bunch.

Huh, sounds like Elon's lying again....

I always get a kick out of "Full Self Driving (Supervised)". So "full" self driving, but actually you have to monitor it and fix problems.

Look, if we were to uphold all laws and drive safely, where would the fun be?!

Great resource. Clearly Tesla has a problem with trees. 2/24/2019 Tesla crashes into tree, burns 4/17/2021 Tesla crashes into tree, bursts into fire 9/13/2021 Tesla suffers suspension failure, hits tree, and ignites on fire 12/7/2021 Tesla crashes into trees, flames erupt 5/19/2022 Tesla hits trees, ignites 8/16/2022 Tesla car crashes into tree, burns 9/18/2022 Tesla crashes into tree, ignites 10/1/2022 Tesla hits tree and catches fire 3/15/2023 Tesla hits tree during snow storm, ignites 5/22/2023 Tesla crashes into woods, catches fire 6/6/2023 Tesla drifts off interstate, hits tree, catches fire 6/14/2023 Tesla loses control and hits tree, catches fire 6/26/2023 Tesla hits trees, ignites 7/29/2023 Tesla crashes into tree, burns 7/29/2023 Tesla crashes into tree, burns 8/14/2023 Tesla crashes into tree, ignites 10/12/2023 Tesla hits trees, catches fire 10/13/2023 Tesla hits divider and tree, ignites 6/20/2024 Tesla crashes into tree, goes up in flames 6/27/2024 Tesla hits tree, catches on fire 8/18/2024 Tesla hits tree, catches on fire 11/27/2024 Cybertruck crashes into tree, ignites 12/23/2024 Tesla crashes into tree, ignites 2/10/2025 Tesla crashes into trees, explodes 2/25/2025 Tesla crashes into tree, ignites 4/30/2025 Tesla hits tree, catches on fire 7/22/2025 Tesla hits trees and ignites 7/28/2025 Tesla crashes into tree and erupts

“Smokey, this is not Nam. This is Europe. There are rules.”

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they are trying to use public pressure on the RDW but those things don't work that way over here

We didn’t expect the truth did we

Meanwhile in Washington [woman dies in tesla fire.](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/tesla-defects-led-to-fiery-crash-killing-tacoma-woman-lawsuit-says/)

FSD isn’t complying with ISO 26262 so Tesla will need a lot of gymnastics and luck

AI chips = actually invisible. Tech so state of the art you wont be able to see it!

They will lie all the way to one trillion dollars.

It'd be nice if Europe made them change the name like China did.

More BS from Elon.

And somehow TSLA stock soars.. Can't wait till everything finally crashes.

If you follow the rules you get yelled at.  If you dont follow the rules you get yelled at https://trforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2012v51n3_07_StopControlledIntersections.pdf#:~:text=The%20descriptive%20statistics%20showed%20that%20out%20of,did%20not%20make%20any%20stop%20at%20all). Should we have FSD roll 70% of stopsigns to behave like a person? Everyone says it needs to be perfect and not do illegal stuff, but also say it needs to operate in a way people expect. Problem is people expect the illegal, which makes it impossible for tesla to do both

Everyone has problems with trees.  There were 8156 fixed object crash fatalities in 2023 (last year iihs reported) and 45% of them were trees 3670 of them overall that year. You listed off 8 as of thats a high thing. In reality its showing tesla as lower than average at .2% of fatalities while making up .4% of cars.

So you are showing that tesla as a brand has 91.75 deaths a year.  The us alone has 40,000 deaths a year.  So this is .2293%.  Tesla makes up .4% of cars currently, so you are showing tesla is less fatal than non teslas :)

A friend of mine's son is a firefighter in Texas. A Tesla caught fire inside a service center and then the firetruck showed up and as they were getting set up they asked the service center about their protocols for a fire. There were none. Zero. They pulled the car out of the garage with a tow hook and threw a fire blanket over it. It burned so hot that they had to foam it l. It burned for 7 hours.

Over the line!

Ya, once those batteries go up, all the fire fighters can do is stop it from spreading. This is true for the energy battery packs as well.

You shouldn't trust ChatGTP to do your math.

So it's parent supervising their 12-year old as they drive mode Very relaxing I'm sure.

Typical Musk: calling on his fanboys to spam and intimidate the Netherlands Vehicle Authority (RDW), which decides about FSD approval in Europe. It's insane that Musk gets away with everything he does. And not just that, he even gets rewarded for it. The system is broken.

I was just struck with just how many of the Tesla fatal accidents involved trees, and how many also resulted in battery runaway fires. These aren't all the accidents involving trees, or all the accidents that caused fires. Runner up to trees is utility poles. 3/18/2019 Tesla strikes pole, burns 12/18/2020 Tesla driver crashes into pole and dies in resulting fire 6/19/2021 Tesla hits power pole, runs off road, and ignites 8/29/2021 Car hits utility pole, ignites 12/1/2021 Collision with pole, battery ignited 2/7/2022 Tesla loses control, hits pole, ignites 6/19/2022 Tesla hits telephone pole, ignites 7/5/2022 Tesla strikes pole, burns 1/7/2023 Tesla hits pole, ignites 1/7/2023 Tesla hits pole, catches on fire 12/20/2023 Tesla crashes into telephone pole, ignites 2/11/2024 Tesla hits pole, ignites 2/14/2024 Tesla hits pole, catches fire 1/28/2025 Tesla hits telephone pole, ignites One would think wood itself has a vendetta against Tesla. Again, there are numerous other fatal encounters with utility poles that didn't involve fires. But they don't inspire Stephen King inanimate object vengeance narratives. Tesla has a [higher accident fatality rate](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/) than all other brands, and between that, chassis megacasting, and limited repair facilities, among the highest insurance premiums. Its a pity, as I once considered buying a Tesla. I'm a relatively safe driver, no road accidents in 26 years. The single vehicle accident statistics don't bother me, as I would never consider using Autopilot in its current state. Even the propensity to battery runaway wouldn't: all vehicles can burn. But combine this with door latches that become inoperative when power is disrupted, and alternate means of mechanically unlatching doors hidden in obscure places, and its pretty nightmarish. Some engineers at Tesla doubtless pleaded for mechanical overrides attached to the door handles, and were overruled for budgetary reasons, and that speaks very poorly of the safety culture at the company.

Worse, a growing sense of complacency.

So, what's going to happen when they don't get used? Tesla sales last year in Europe barely broke 1000 vehicles.

It has to be a lie from European regulators. Right?

I havent been involved in an auto accident in 20 years. I live and drive in DFW with 7,000,000 people. Robotaxis in Austin have been involved in 5+ accidents in only a couple months with a small fleet in a limited zone within Austin. How are they safer than human?

You don’t even bother reading what those ‘accidents’ are. Robotaxis were hit from behind when they were stationary, meaning HUMANS did not pay attention and hit the car. And also, show me the injuries from those so-called accidents. There are none. That literally just proved that Robotaxi is safer than humans based on statistics. ‘You haven’t been involved in an auto accident in 20 years’ - don’t come complaining next year a human driver hit you because he/she was on the phone

Utility poles, ie the other most fatal static object crash object.  You keep trying to make it out like teslas just have some magnetic attraction to hitting these things when in actuality you are just unable to comprehend that a full third of fatal car accidents are "driver crashes into a thing thats not even moving, dies"  Teslas "higher fatality rate" is simply that their base models are what? 400hp? Most peoples previous cars were maybe 200. If you know how to ride the cute little horse at the riding school, that doesnt mean you are ready for the  Rodeo bronco.

You shouldnt accuse someone of using "ChatGTP" when their correct figures make you realize your beliefs are incorrect ;)

> Should we have FSD roll 70% of stopsigns to behave like a person? Everyone says it needs to be perfect and not do illegal stuff, but also say it needs to operate in a way people expect. I expect people to stop at stop signs, but am always prepared for them not to. >Problem is people expect the illegal, which makes it impossible for tesla to do both No, strawmen arguments expect that. There are *always* cases where people do things like stopping fully at a stop sign - like when a cop is visibly watching.

Are you part of the Tesla PR team?

Nah. People expect the thing they see regularly, to be you know, regular. And the studies show that rolling a stop happens 70% of the time so thats regular.  Stopping 100% of the time is irregular.  Expecting people to stop 100% is irregular.

Nope. Just someone who can do the math and accept what it tells us.  Hard concept in this subreddit

This back of the envelope stuff is pretty far off. Doesn't account for mileage etc. Tesla has far worse death rate than other manufacturers. Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all brands [https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/) While individual models from other brands are worse, Tesla as a whole is "killing" it. [https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024](https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024)

This math only works when you start using the wrong denominators. The correct denominator is "miles driven". Tesla is the most deadly brand by miles driven, all of its models perform worse than competitors at about twice the average of fatalities per mile driven (5.8 per bill vs national average 2.8). The Tesla Y in particular is bad at about 10-11deaths per bill which is about 4x the national average.

Neither did OPs source. Its just reporting people who died in a tesla. If you want to call my math garbage, then that requires you to call OP's source garbage too as thats also not deaths / miles driven. Both are "bad" for the same reason given.  Just like you are shamelessly not mentioning the entire second half of your source which is pointing out its not due to the car as much as due to the driver.  "The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, as well." So you are asserting the cars are unsafe, when really its drivers are unsafe. These are not the same thing.

Who to believe, who to believe. It's such a conundrum!

And some were robotaxis hitting parked cars.

Definitely feels like an attempt by Tesla to pressure the regulator through misinformation.

Looks luke rednecks cant drive their cars..

Thats why its ”supervised”. People staring at FSD regulations like people cant use their brain. I have FSD and I still drive my car with paying same amount of attention about the surroundings like without it. Its just makes things more easy and you are able to focus your surroundings more.