Tesla gambles that introducing new models no longer matters

Are they trying to be the new VW Beetle?

Exactly it’s not a car company it’s a hamburger joint

What happened to that roadster Felon promised? The media are pathetic.

Tesla is a next thing company. Ignore what they are doing now but know something wonderful is coming.

They have a concept of a fleet: Cybercab, Semi, Roadster, YL, Y_standard.. But in reality it is really a on trick pony with 3 or Y both built on the same platform. That platform is the only successful automotive output tesla has achived so far beside FSD.

The one he has already sold to customers who have been waiting for years, that now have to lose a portion of their deposit because tesla hasn't fulfilled a single order they have taken since 2017. The "second" tesla roadster. Scare quotes because the car doesn't exist.

This would be OK if it results in an aggressive price cut to the M3 or MY. If those vehicles got into the 20s, there’d be one in nearly every garage. But that’s not happening. Both the model and price are stagnant.

I believe a small part of their BS....that is, making cars is hard and requires a committment of many decades and continual improvement and new models. It sounds like Tesla doesn't want to do what it set out to do. Elon got bored or whatever. BUT, "pivoting" to stuff that is non-existent (Robo taxis, Robots, AI revenues) is beyond ridiculous for a company that has such a large overhead! So the only part we can be fairly sure of is they have given up on competing in the car making business.

I love it when new car is exactly the same as the 8 yr old model I just traded in. —nobody

You appear to be saying FSD is a success?

Updating once a decade might have been a viable strategy back then, but people expect significant upgrades to their mass market vehicles nowadays

yeah but now you get a lightbar instead of headlight. The future is here and it sucks.

They're becoming like Dodge/Chrysler. In the 2010s they never invented R&D into new platforms or models. All they did was update existing models till they couldn't meet emissions regulations. Now they're struggling to invent any new products at all. The same will happen to Tesla eventually, once they are finally forced to invent a new product they will be so far behind and struggle to launch anything

But with 100x the valuation!! 💪

It’s not a hamburger it’s a robot

I wouldn't take it unless *you* paid *me*, and then only if I could dump the car on some other sucker without it costing me anything.

I agree but also think that the era of constantly changing styles for marketing purposes is ending. As these vehicles get more expensive and complicated, standards, familiarity and maintenance become bigger factors. They are trending towards airplanes in terms of the investment and exoectations for longevity and reliability. We could afford to upgrade and throw away cars every 5-7 years in the past. That is no longer true.

Oooh! Slap Tesla logos on Mitsubishis, that should send the stock up tomorrow!

If being fleeced is something you find wonderful, then yes; something wonderful is coming.

A successful scam.

Well, he has to try to claim the cybertruck had an impact somewhere...

They still have to update the cars at least 5-10 years. The only reason why the Durango, Charger and Challenger sold as well as they did for so long was because of facelifts, upgrading the transmission and introducing new special editions and engine options. The Durango also fills the niche of NA V8 sporty SUV that is luxurious and has tons of fleet sales, so it can still sell well despite being an old platform

It’s not a scam but it’s not as represented. My son has it on his car. It’s capable of driving him many places with little to no input. That said, it does require vigilance and you will need to provide input. But on days where he has been hitting a deadline and hasn’t slept for too long. It’s a nice option to mitigate his exhaustion. It is not a replacement for a driver. That said, scam is too strong a word. Anything Musk says about it is to be questioned from a place of doubt. Reality is in between. That said, he isn’t getting it on his next car and that speaks volumes.

And the Model 3 and Y was based on the Model S platform. Same for Model X. So really everything they have is based on the Model S almost exactly

Not only is it basically the same body....it is basically the same battery architecture, drivetrain, and charging system. No 800 or 1000 Volt battery. No faster DC charging. No 48 Volt accessory system (except Cyberflop). No Bidirectional charging (with the exception of the new Model Y Performance & Cyberflop). No faster AC charging (okay that is fine, 11KW is plenty). No easy V2L in the cars (except Model Y Performance). Stagnant.

Have they at least made material advancements in range, power, or cost? Id be okay with no new models if they at least made the existing ones perform better.

It's not a robot, it's a guy in a robot costume.

Sir this is a Wendy's

Yup how would you like that cooked

Tesla grabbed a lot of market share in the last couple of years mainly due to its charging network advantage in the US - which has since ended. Everyone I know with a Tesla have done a 180 on the brand due to Elon's unhinged mental state and will not be replacing their Tesla with another Tesla. Tesla is a dead man walking.

One of the reasons why I decided to switch brands when my Model 3 lease was up this month. Wasn’t looking forward to sit my ass in practically the same car another 4 years AND pay for the privilege. Oh, and the fact that Elon went full on Nazi did not help either.

Worse actually, those 8 yo cars used to have more sensor and stalks

Do the vast majority of people want stuff to constantly change??, id trade a kidney (not really but you get the idea) if I could still buy a new car that is identical to my like 15year old Mazda. I want to drive the same car till I'm cold and hard in the ground.

>But on days where he has been hitting a deadline and hasn’t slept for too long. It’s a nice option to mitigate his exhaustion. This is actually the most dangerous part. Humans are not good at monitoring machines. When everything is working, we get put into a wrong sense of safety and relax more. It leads to the human doing the monitoring not being able to react fast enough if something goes wrong. This is especially true if the person is tired. With systems that are limited in function, the human is more alert because they're aware of the limitations.

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Thats kinda the Tesla thing tho. They dont subscribe to a model year calendar. They will update incementally at any time it makes sense. Yeah, externally the cars appear very similar year after year, but every component is being refined on a regular basis, even when it maybe shouldnt. We dont need, nor do I want, meaningless cosmetic changes.

I just finished a professional continuing ed class focusing on A.I. (field: very much not A.I. oriented). The guy leading the course fancies himself a "futurist" and opined that "no one will own cars in 10 years." Perhaps Tesla leadership beleives this, too.

Too bad because it only comes in one option: burnt

Good luck with that. LOL

Lol

I personally like when car companies change up the design. Chrysler never updated the 300 even when the Charger/Challenger were being constantly updated, and people lost interest in it overtime. But people never lost interest in the Charger/Challenger because it got cosmetic changes as well as better transmissions and engines overtime

If he hasn’t slept much, he shouldn’t be in the drivers seat period. When the system makes a mistake at a time like that, it could be lethal

Saab was best when you had 2 choices. You could have variation. But you had 2.

Or the semi.

Whatever happened to that Diner? Haven’t heard anything about it in months

~~Move fast and~~ break things...

That's not FSD and you know it, and your son knows it.

Tesla's self driving tech is also dead in the water.

In as much as they’re both full of shit.

Now you made me think about even if some of the made up products come to market, will they be viable? How many taxi rides will a robo taxi have to give before you break even on the initial cost? Lets assume they make a fully automated taxi and can sell it for $75K. Will anyone insure it with no human driver? If not you have to pay someone to sit in the driver seat, so why not just buy a regular electric car for your Taxi business.

Version 2 will be released by end of year. It will have 10 times more choices.

Why would they sell them at all? If robotaxi is as good as Tesla claims; why would they let anyone buy them? They would start a ride share company, taxi company etc. scale it to heaven an outcompete every other company and independent driver/contractor simply through economics of scale. It is not like that will happen, and let’s not start on the design of that cab. It is so practical… /s

Yeah how true

Shocking to me Tesla hasn't been sued for fraud sitting on deposits for cars they won't return and are not actually even working on.

Hell Tesla's "success" relied heavily on no one else in the market and massive government tax incentives...

I know me either

Nope

Hey but now it finally has *two* screens. like every other car. But the second screen is in the back. And you'll never see it. But it's back there!

We're way past the Uber eats driver having the same car as you for higher income buyer, the Y looks like an imitation of a Hyundai Kona or GM BlazEr from the front. Lost the design language, kept the rest of the car including the ugly ass. And Stans tell us the model has really evolved.

It's not a robot guy, it's a whole digging company for everyone to throw their money into.

I’m not disagreeing with most of what you wrote. But it’s better than nothing if you aren’t drinking the Kool Aid and think it’s a driver.

Sadly I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of people who are buying cars at this price point and higher are sleep deprived. Hourly workers should be getting sufficient rest. They probably aren’t either in truth. Which is worse for them; low pay and no sleep.

I am afraid I don’t know what you mean. I’m not fuckin’ with you. It’s clearly a snide comment making assumptions about us but I’ve got no clue what those assumptions are assuming you read my post. I pretty clearly spell it out. I’m guessing reading comprehension wasn’t your strength.

Whatever they're not inventing will be available by the end of the year, though.

Soon, robots will be running the company soon

Next fire everyone and replace with robots. Save $15 billions annually

The original Beetle had four major upgrades. The final 1972 Super Bug was a so heavily changed it was it was essentially a new model. Edit. The Super Bug was a very good small car for the time.

Nobody is going to make money from autonomous vehicles. The reason is the sunk cost of R&D will never be recovered. It would have been far cheaper Waymo to just give away Jaguar I-Pace cars

The fact that they're pushing a bespoke driverless platform before a true unsupervised FSD is even close to being proven is just insane. And an enormous red flag. The bulls pushing this stock are the most oblivious people on the planet.

That helps me identify what kind of a person is driving the car.

It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping!

H1b Robot

Lada

Making parts VIN specific instead of model year specific is asking for issues with repairs later on.

if there were free markets, they'd change their tune quickly.

Its smooth, it’s cool, it breaks the rules

i think it is because fsd. every new model introduce, they need to tune fsd to a new model and they don't want to get in a situation they need to work on fsd for a bunch of model.

Cybertruck is bullshit.  Robotaxi is crap because they cheaped out and Wayno will eat their lunch.  Time to release a small economy car, that’s all they have left and should’ve done instead of the cybertrashcan

Hey hey hey! Is no one talking about the innovation of removing indicator stalks and then putting them back in?!

For what it is worth. It is not a solved problem but it is very good at what it does. Calling it a full self driving is a long stretch but if we are just comparing autonomous driving systems, no other system on vision only has come close to this level of autonomy, even adding lidar +radar driving systems do not have this level of accumulated miles driven in between incidents. It would have been a much bigger success if the naming and technical guidline was way lowered. It has been called FSD since intro back in mid 2010s with promise to autonomy "next year" for a decade. If it started humble and stayed the course on feasible level of promises rather than baseless hypes and lies, it would have much better recognition for its achivement.. but here we are now with a brand tarnished and every promises broken and only partially delivered if even delivered. Not gonna say Tesla is a total failure in everything that were done. They do have successes and highlights and the engineers behind them should be recognized. Also sympathy to those that tried to deliver elon's lies and got burnt out or hands were tied to end up delivering something they know are failures (cybertruck and many other).

>Yeah, externally the cars appear very similar year after year, but every component is being refined on a regular basis, even when it maybe shouldnt. That does happen with all cars. It might be happening more with Tesla, but then again, *that* might be because the fit and finish, and not only that, was sub-par, or because of the part provisioning. The one area where Tesla is ahead is OTA updates, I suppose. That's less in the focus of the traditional makers.

Tesla stock struggling? *we think the affordable Tesla model is on the way*

You should read the news today Elon Musk doesn’t believe they’re necessary

It's a fucking scam. You've been scammed.

Hmmm...one again Reuters is lying. TSLA is working on their $25k car...I'm sure it was the main topic of discussion at the earnings call...right?...Anyone?

This is absolutely insane stuff to write esp about your kid dude. > It does require vigilance and you will need to provide input > It is not a replacement for a driver Ok so it's not FULL SELF DRIVE at all then is it??? Hence a scam. Not in between. It claims to be self driving and it isn't. > On days where he has been hitting a deadline and hasn't slept for too long it's a nice option to mitigate his exhaustion So knowing it needs to be supervised and needs manual input to be safe you think it's a GOOD thing to use when he's exhausted and likely to fall asleep and not be able to correct or supervise???? JFC

It doesn’t matter to their shareholders

Dude your post says more than once that it is no replacement for a driver so how are you getting upset with people saying well it's not FULL SELF DRIVE???? Wow. Challenge someone's reading comprehension when you yourself said twice it's not capable of unsupervised driving. Wild. Wtf

Ok so first the number of incidents is highly misleading as Tesla FSD automatically turns itself off before an incident it cannot prevent. Purely for liability. So no. Every other system has already concluded that camera only is not a plausible model. Waymo is actually doing full self drive and operating well. Claiming FSD is better than waymo or other edit lidar (sorry autocorrect doesn't like that) models is crazy. Tell me FSD is a serious system when it can't be used in a one way tunnel only for Teslas with no cross traffic, is the Vegas loop. Stop defending this clown. Maybe they did a good job given the limitations but the chosen limitations means it doesn't work as a self driving system.

TBF the Chevy Express has been around for like 15 years unchanged. However I think tradesmen don't really care that their van looks the same as long as it lasts forever with reasonable routine maintenance.

I mean the Nazi comparisons are apt.

Lithium well done.

Given Teslas' propensity to burst into flames with people trapped inside, no news is good news.

Coming right up

If they want to make more money it's pretty simple. 1. Get rid of Elon. 2. Make the roadster 3. Make an actually reasonable truck

It'll just look like the other stale and bland design. And of course will support that asshole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLDlOfIKJHs looks like the long permalines are gone.

Will it make the bacon and other food products look like the actual advertising photos.

They'll soon switch around the brake and accelerator pedals in the name of "invention".

But don't worry, they took out the indicator and placed it on the steering wheel 👌

I’m confused. How. Read my post and explain to me how it is a scam. At no point did we believe the FSD was anything other than a driving aid. The nonsense and promises that come out of Elon’s mouth had nothing to do with the reality of FSD working very well in certain conditions but not being reliable enough to not require constant driver in case a intervention was needed. That’s not a scam it’s a system that works as an aid not a driver replacement. You seem very invested in someone you don’t know car options.

In what world do product names or descriptions reflect a 100% accuracy? Wait until you find out that natural flavoring can include solvents and preservatives.

I’m saying that product names and descriptions are rarely accurate. Does Red Bull actually give you wings?

So you think it's ok if an automated car is mainly safe? Bro...

They are literally licensing it to drive as a robotaxi in places like Texas. This isn't a marketing campaign they are claiming it's really automated driving. You're advocating your exhausted son driving it while half asleep using it. I assume you're not giving your son a red bull and telling him to jump off a building.

Decent point that if there's too many models, how do you deal with the spare parts stocking?  I think the answer is partly these shared "platforms".  Keep 90% of what's under the hood the same across multiple models.  Change some low maintenance, less critical, more aesthetic things.

And Americans love their hamburgers.

Product names might be, but descriptions need to be accurate.

The fanboys are so housebroken that they still believe that Tesla is working on all this shit and they don't mind giving Tesla an interest-free $100,000 loan.

Saw some German Tesla ultra posting about it. The burger looked like the saddest thing ever.

Coming this year. Or next year. Or next year. Or some time later. But with rockets. Or not.

Tesla really was the first one with this and now I already see electric Mercedes Actros in traffic every other day and they do trips across Europe without much hassle. Same with the pickups. They were the first to announce it and then Rivian as well as Ford and plenty others beat them to market. They can’t build anything other than a small sedan and a big beefier sedan.

Not to mention the interest they could have been getting on that money in savings and inflation losses

And how did that went for them

And they didn't even develop those themselves. The original founders had the car ready. Tesla developed absolutely nothing of value by themselves.

Its a not a company, its a way of life.

I know it's anecdotal but a coworker of mine went from a Model Why to a BMW IX because of the stigma. In hindsight he says the BMW is a much better car in every aspect.

I wanted fries with that.

Red Bull got sued and had to settle over the false advertising in the “wings” tag line.

Do you just make shit-up and attribute it to people? Do you think it’s okay if you beat your partner only on Sundays? Bro?

As I said, names and taglines might be inaccurate or misleading, but descriptions must be accurate.

Am I “advocating?” Because that’s not what that word means. As far as your goofy ass Red Bull fantasy - grow-up. Do you only wear a seatbelt when you are going to drive in poor conditions? Or is the seat belt, safety glass, airbag and crash bumpers part of a comprehensive safety system that you hope you don’t need? Get out of the house more.

In Japan the representations in photos of a product must be accurate in regards to shape, size and appearance. In the US not so much. So perhaps I should have used representation instead of description. But FSD doesn’t claim to be autonomous and not require monitoring.

That’s just pathetic that anyone would think they would grow wings. It’s clearly metaphorical but still in use globally.

If you read my comments I was only objecting to the term scam. It wasn’t a scam. You know when you buy it that it isn’t an autonomous, independent system with a perfect record of safety. So my objection was, for those who can read, only to the term scam. It wasn’t a scam. It’s not autonomous nor a driver replacement and we knew that. Names are about marketing and most people realize that.

Plus each waymo or cruise cat costs $200k to outfit!

It’s not a way of life, it’s a fancy sex doll

the robot drivers are good for lazy ppl and handicap ppl.

> Why would they sell them at all? If robotaxi is as good as Tesla claims; why would they let anyone buy them? This! The claims made that you could buy a Tesla and make your money back in no time by renting it out as a robotaxi never made any sense on the surface, even if you believed they could deliver on the technology required.

It doesn’t matter because no one’s buying Teslas anymore.

I've watched this a dozen times since it came out. Most accurate Elon sketch ever.

That was 3 years ago and they don’t have any economies of scale going on. Of course a self driving Tesla is cheaper when they make twice as many cars per day as Waymo has total.

Fine until gm said you need an suv.

You mean all 340 million of us like is hamburgers

Honestly, I agree. I love my 04 Tiburon and I'd love to have a new one that's exactly the same as the one I have now, just without the rust, dry-rot, perishing plastics, etc... There's not a single thing that I want that this car doesn't do already.

Opportunity cost is real. If they invested in Tesla stock in 2015 instead...

I am confused because they are claiming the car can drive itself, which you admit it can't. Why are you defending it like no one could reasonably expect it to really drive itself? They are saying they need more production because people will want the automatic driving for robotaxi etc. They are actively applying for driverless taxis with this tech. So no it's not the same as your weird examples, but the latest one may show why you're struggling.

If the name was full self drive and that was a marketing thing why are they trying to license it NOW as a self driving taxi? This isn't just a name with no actual claims of it working. Comparing it to advertising slogans is more than a little disingenuous

Exactly, it’s wild to think

I don’t think your reading comprehension is up to speed. At no point in the transaction or marketing materials do Tesla represent the car as an autonomous experience absent supervision. What they are saying about a product that may or may not be this one and deals with taxis is not my concern. If you are asking does it successfully take my son from his home to his office across LA in traffic with no I put - the answer is yes. Are there times where human input may be required? Again yes. It’s not a robot driver. It wasn’t represented as such at the time of sale. Cars were introduced long before seat belts. Products evolve. I’m no fan of Musk nor his politics but no one is selling this product as anything other than a driving aid. It’s not hard to understand. You are confusing Musk’s sputtering in interviews with actual company supporting materials. That’s a mistake. That’s your mistake not mine. If you don’t own one, and it’s not your money and the person purchasing it isn’t under the impression it’s anything but driver’s assistance/driving aid, why do you care? What’s missing in your life that you are so invested in what others spend money on? If you bought one then you have an opinion. But it’s a bit like Trump having an opinion on a woman’s period otherwise. You don’t have skin in the game. If there are misrepresentations to newer customers, lawyers will sort that out quickly. Not you.

Are you certain it’s the exact same product with no changes? Because I don’t believe it is. I’m no fanboy nor do I own the stock. I’m just pointing out that as a product it works. It’s not meant to be autonomous. If there are future upgrades that make that happen or if the taxi gets different software - it’s unrelated to this option.

This right here. When one's sense of self becomes completely indistinguishable from one's persona you know someone is in trouble.

Yes exactly!  But apparently we are in the fringe minority...

> BUT, "pivoting" to stuff that is non-existent (Robo taxis, Robots, AI revenues) is beyond ridiculous for a company that has such a large overhead! Also those things are either just as hard or even harder than making cars. Tesla is perhaps decades away from a Robotaxi, 30-40 years behind other robot companies that still haven't shipped products, and Tesla's AI products are competing against X's AI products and xAI's AI products, how is Tesla going to win against Elon's other companies?

That's a good move, but the reality is that a lot of Tesla owners are not in the position - either time wise, energy wise, or money wise, to trade in a new-ish car for a different car because they hate Elon and what he stands for. Most are going to use the vehicle until it is more used or until it is fully used up as it is a more economical decision to do so than to trade it in at this point.

I got my new 80kWh 2023 MY AWD for $40K OTD, $30K if you count the 2018 LEAF trade-in I made to Carvana. No complaints at that price point! Paid off the loan last month since the 6.6% was killing me.

yup, Tesla was the only game in town when I got my 2023 Model Y the last week of that year. CCS-1 sucks so it was that or wait several years for the NACS stuff to come out in 2026+. Elon dropped $6000 off list so I took the inventory car off his hands for him, plus I got $10k in gov't cheese on the side, which I applied to the loan to help pay it off 4 years early.

Here’s the bet. Electric cars are like cellphones. You know how today you rock the same iPhone for 3 years until the battery degrades to such a point that you buy the newest model, even though it is pretty much the same as the old model? They’re betting that’s what happens with electric cars.

Carbon footprint be dammed. If that was the bet batteries would be replaceable .

The total taxi/rideshare market Robotaxi ostensibly replaces is nowhere near large enough to justify betting the company on this pivot, but if the grand plan is for robotaxis to replace private ownership of vehicles, basically our whole system of transportation, then that would certainly be profitable. But...that's not going to happen, and I'm not seeing that strategy being communicated. As for insurance, Tesla would probably insure them itself.

In the interests of full disclosure, reporters and other media parrots should be required to tell us how much TSLA they own so we know they’re shilling for their funds rather than telling the truth when they discuss Tesla. I assume all “reporters” are paid shills in that most of their wealth is wrapped up in TSLA and the truth would sink them.

I'll say that most aren't even paid shills, just too lazy to do the proper research.

Most of them probably did invest in TSLA, hence why they continue to pretend to believe the delusion - because that’s the only thing maintaining the stock’s value.

robotaxis were invented to pump Tesla stock by an analyst. It was vaporware from the start. Consumers aren't out there wanting to get rid of their cars en masse.

I agree. The only reason they’re alive is because Chinese car companies aren’t allowed in the USA. The second BYD or xiaomi enters the country they’d be fucked. Car companies once they reach a certain market saturation they can rest on their laurels, this is how American car companies operated for decades. Then Honda and Toyota came along.

I mean “paid” in that they, themselves, are heavily invested in TSLA, and talking any negativity would wreck their retirements (or current situation, depending on how leveraged they are).

Ahhhh. No.

They’re making -going to make - robots that will takeover the world, and will only be controlled if the Tesla board pays Elon $1 million - err trillion - dollars

Robotaxis started off back in 2014 when Elon ordered the safety restrictions disabled from MobilEye's lane keeping system. Of course this was just more smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact the Model X was hopelessly behind schedule due to the stupid doors...

Lotus did most of the work on the original Roadster. The drivetrain was made by a company called AC Propulsion. Daimler did most of the design work on the Model S. Toyota designed the production line for the S. Daimler and Toyota were massive shareholders in Tesla, but both pulled out before the X was launched (probably because they saw Elon spiral out of control)

It's not a fancy sex doll, it's a flame thrower

No, they’re trying to be the 1924 Ford Model T.

And no insurance company would insure it

You’re living in La La Land. Tesla sold FSD as if full autonomy was right around the corner, only slapping on the “supervised” label once regulators forced their hand. Anyone who’s actually used it knows it’s a joke, phantom braking, missed turns, random stops. They can’t even figure out how to get auto windshield wipers to work correctly. Sixteen-year-olds drive better. Stop pretending this was always marketed as just a “driver’s aid.” Tesla sold hype, not reality.

Well let’s compare what each of us knew when we spent our own money to buy a Tesla. When did you make your purchase exactly? What? You didn’t? You are living in Nannyville trying to tell others what they knew when they used their money to purchase one. You are delusional pretending you know what others knew. My son and I never thought for a second that FSD meant autonomous driving. That didn’t, and as far as I know still doesn’t, exist for any vehicle. No more than a flying car exists. Had it been named Driving Miss Daisy would you have thought that Morgan Freeman would magically appear and drive the car for you? Knowing how stupid you sound - it’s possible. If someone calls on your cell phone and wants to teach you about crypto you are the person they are looking for because they told you it’s a great investment and you believe them. You are a clown trying to read minds and then tell people what they paid for. Have your mommie bring you a sammich and go to bed. As for how it works, let’s compare experiences. Wait you can’t. Again, you are just making shit-up. Put on your red nose and get in your peddle car.

This 👆

Yeah, I want a nice towering burger with two enormous juicy meat patties, dripping with cheese, wide strips of bacon, dark green lettuce and bright red tomato on top, inside a freshly baked bun. Eight inches thick the way it looks on the ad. But this is Elon Musk. We won't be getting **that** burger, he'll just promise to deliver it for the next 20 years.

Cue Rick rolled gif.

The newer cars are pretty much the same. Except now there's no steering wheel, you have to use the touchscreen to control the car, and the battery is ten times more likely to combust spontaneously. Also the panels are all held in place with glue.

EVs are still a rapidly developing technology. Are you saying you wouldn't like a car with a safer battery that had triple the capacity, and could charge from zero to full in 3 minutes? And if they're going to do the whole smart glass windshield thing, how about a light enhancement mode that would make nighttime look like late afternoon? There are plenty of neat little tech innovations that would actually be useful - as opposed to the gimmicky BS most of us would rather skip.

Yes, as a guy who design electronics for a living, I despise all the extra electronics in cars. I'm not against things that improve efficiency, but it's always the MO of those companies to bake together stupid creature comforts, and the essentials into one monolithic overly complicated thing that you don't own, because you can't fix it!!