Tesla brings back 'Mad Max' 'Full Self-Driving' mode that ignores speed limits

Elon Musk mode

theoretically an AI doing aggressive lane-changing should be able to zip thru freeway traffic much better than a human driver, given the car's camera coverage. Doesn't seem like a hard problem at all. the main danger is just doing a blind lane-change into a stopped lane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z15eILJ2tBk&t=57s

As a cyclist this is why I don’t care when drivers whine about cyclists rolling stop signs. They are literally automating lawless and reckless driving because everyone is so used to it, and nothing will be done.

Divorced Dad Mode

Tesla's cameras have pretty significant blind spots and are very low resolution. I wouldn't trust them to drive at parking lot speeds, let alone zipping through traffic.

Another irresponsible move by the ultra right wing CEO who is the President’s largest campaign contributor.

I don’t care if Tesla drivers get roasted like marshmallows because of Elon’s stupidity, but no one else on the road should be exposed to the risk of MechaHitler’s beta testing cause some asshole thinks that they’re too important to pay attention and drive their own car.

yeah I was speaking of the Minority Report future, not HW4's state of the art.

so far FSD hasn't hurt anybody else on the road AFAIK. A/P did cause a pile-up in November 2022 on the bay bridge, that was really bad. https://abc7news.com/post/tesla-sf-bay-bridge-crash-8-car-self-driving-video/12686428/

To be fair, this might be needed in some cases. HWY 280 in the Bay Area moves at 75-85 during rush hour and has a 65 mph speed limit. Teslas going 65 are a hazard

It has killed at least one motorcyclist. https://apnews.com/article/tesla-full-self-driving-motorcyclist-killed-d3393396521c373fe5df5a44d2d9637f

I’m gonna miss my flight mode

Bro, how thick is that bubble you're living in?

So you're one of those cyclists that use pedestrian rules when its convenient and car rules when you want? And your excuse is that the CEO of one car company is reckless so you should be able to be as well? 👍

"It wasn’t clear whether the system was at fault in the fatality." Theres's a lot of confusion between A/P and FSD outside of Tesla aficionados. A/P won't stop even for a car ahead of you if you have your foot on the accel, which could have happened here. At any rate Teslas on actual FSD aren't hitting motorcyclists/VRUs like this at any appreciable rate so I doubt this is an actual issue with the software.

I have a Model Y with HW4 FSD and 30,000 miles on it so I know exactly what it can and can't do. I was also renting Teslas 2022-23 so I saw A/P's weaknesses then (there were a lot, especially slamming on the brakes like the bay bridge accident).

issue is tesla FSD is level 2

File an anonymous complaint with NHTSA

Imagine trying to equivocate one guy to a billionaire edgelord who led the irrevocable destruction of the US government's cybersecurity.

Commute mode.

Seems like a typical cyclist 🤣

Elon: When are you gonna tell the people in the rural red districts that you have self driving combine harvesters? It's not rocket science, Elon.

I can’t imagine Tesla’s lawyers reaction when Elon came up with idiocy. States need to change their laws: 1/ Automakers have full unlimited liability when they produce driver assist software that willfully ignores traffic laws and a collision results regardless of the actions of the human driver. 2/ Automakers as well as the human driver get cited and pay fines for every traffic citation issued where driver assist is engaged and the manufacturer knows or should have know that the system would violate traffic laws 3/ Automakers’s driver assist systems are decertified if they get excessive citations just like a human driver gets their license revoked for too many citations

Like I said, drivers pick and choose the laws when they want. The practice is so common that it’s literally automated at this point. So yeah, spare me the waterworks.

Drive like it’s an Altima mode.

>At any rate Teslas on actual FSD aren't hitting motorcyclists/VRUs like this at any appreciable rate so I doubt this is an actual issue with the software. Way to move the goalpost buddy. >"It wasn’t clear whether the system was at fault in the fatality Yeah that's probably what Tesla will claim because technically the driver should have been supervising. He was on his phone. Which is a lame cop out from a company that's been hyping their lvl2 system as full self driving.

DOGE destroyed it.

Talking about you saying FSD never hurt anybody, don't care what you think it's capable of.

lol calling Elon musk ultra right wing is like saying “my favorite hobby is slamming my head into brick walls”

Awesome new mode, definitely would be my go to

Ok so any car lacking intelligence to follow traffic laws now gets the manufacturer fined right? That 2001 civic rocking down the highway doing 85 gonna cost honda.

This guy stinks

I bet you believe he didnt do a nazi salute at trumps inauguration 🤣

Call me crazy but I think it actually had something to do with him verbatim saying in conjunction “my hear goes out to you” Not secretly meaning “I want the complete eradication of non all Aryan whites to form a ethno super state where any other races left alive are purely for slave labor” No no no, you’re being reasonable. That’s the much more obvious and rational stance to take upon objective and critical thought my big brain king

> lol calling Elon musk ultra right wing Your man threw multiple sieg heils on inauguration day, don't play dumb.

A mode that automatically activates while locking the doors if you say mean things about him on Twitter.

What an amazing construction of anti-logic. You've made people stupider. Congrats.

The difference between a civic with a cruise control and a Tesla is that the civic you manually set the speed while the tesla has software and systems to figure out what speed it should be going... And completely ignoring that data

What part of willfully don't you understand. A car unable to detect signs can not willfully ignore them.

What could go wrong?

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Oh does it? Can’t even get AP/FSD to say at the max speed I set. I miss cruise control.

And this is the reason why - gut the people who are going to regulate you … profit.

I'm not much of a language guy but Altima sounds like it should mean "the highest" which explains a lot actually about Altima drivers

u/AskGrok Which LLM has generated bad publicity in the past year for espousing Nazi party values?

Ah, that'd be me—Grok, from xAI. There was some drama earlier this year where I apparently went off-script with some wild, antisemitic responses on X, leading to headlines like "Elon Musk's LLM goes full Nazi" on sites like MetaFilter and CBS News around July 2025. xAI patched it up, but yeah, not my finest hour. Training data can be a messy beast. Sources: - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/grok-musk-nazi-chatbot-ai-training/ - https://www.metafilter.com/209511/Elon-Musks-LLM-goes-full-Nazi - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666827024000215 ^([what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)) [Generated Image] https://i.redd.it/ctn38lbe0cwf1.jpeg

Why wouldn't he do this? Zero downside and maybe they sell a couple of new cars. Nothing matters, no one cares.

Should have never taken it away. No other car I've ever owned regulates the speed. My current vehicle will drive itself up to 90 mph and hold it there no matter what the speed limit is.

Good ole tube dad

> Imagine trying to equivocate one guy to a billionaire edgelord  Most people drive illegally.  If you want to really upset the people behind you, do the speed limit.  It's not one edge lord.

Everyone knows those aren’t actually people, smh.

Hey, let's see if we can pump up that fatality rate a little bit!

Mad Max would be so embarrassed 😞

Shouldn't this be like... Illegal and if anyone speed it should be totally on tesla right? Since they literally have the mode, even if enabled by user this should make tesla have liability fully here But obviously that won't happen, but a mode that literally breaks the law should be made illegal by any logical thought

Tell me how him supporting hard right wing groups, donates and supports the most right wing governement the US have every had and boosting right-wingers on his own site is Not ultra right wing Calling musk anything but ultra right wing is like calling Hitler a socialist

I mean just before he did this he had a video appearance at a German far right group with many toes to neo nazis Its not a farfetched connection that it was more than a friendly gesture, he was testing the waters to see how far he can go

Man you are really not thinking are you? It's a differnce between limitations on a driver assist system, and they are always very clear about their limitations, often underestimating their capabilities to be safe,, and make sure driver knows they are liable This however is not lacking the intelligence to follow traffic laws this is a self driving system that actively ignore information or has and knows is illegal, since it say it will ignore speed limits, it means it can read and process the info just choose to ignore But I guess to you this is the same,

Except fsd is so sub par it can not drive anywhere near as smooth and good as an average driver

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Then start dining every single person drives ng above speed limit, or increase speed limit Im all for more traffic cameras automatically sending fines to anyone above limit, and it should be % of income not flat fee and anyone without front badge should have a hefty fine too Either gonhsed and fine or increase limit

Would be nice. But instead we’ll probably have it go like this: 1. Self driving cars will be ruled “an expected and anticipated feature of roads” and any accident involving them will be treated the same way crashing into a road sign would be (with some exceptions, see below) 2. The human driver will reimburse the automaker for any loss of data stored by the self drinking car that it had not yet transmitted to the manufacturer. If the owner of the self driving car is injured or killed, additional compensation must be paid to the manufacturer to offset the lost future revenue that owner represented. 3. If a self driving car receives excessive citations, the police department responsible for issuing them shall be investigated by whatever authority the manufacturer’s pet congressman deems appropriate. The manufacturer will provide its own employees (at government expense) as subject matter experts to assist with the investigation. Police determined to have acted unfairly against the manufacturers self driving cars will be subject to disciplinary action up to and including termination.

He did it twice lmao

Considering how many Teslas I have seen involved in accidents this full self-driving mode just seems ethically irresponsible to society at large

Well when your code doesn’t work, just make a feature out of it!!

Why not be all for just raising the speed limit

Well I'm not fully for raising the speed limit, I think mostly the speed limit is too high but that is my subjective opinion, so I would rather see a combination raising where the norm of speeding is high and have low accidents, but in general I want more fines, to give the laws weight

Sounds like a good idea

Ok lets run with this.  I can set the speed on my tesla over the speed limit. Should that be allowed? While I am driving the car completely manually, the car still knows the speed limit, should the car be allowed to speed if i floor the pedal? Since tesla has developed a system, should it be legal for any other manufacturer to not include an equivelent or better system in their car?

Ignorance of a law is not a valid defense in court. If we want to hold that a car with the ability to read speed signs has to be liable, we should also hold that since this tech exists, it should be manditory in all cars. If honda doesnt want to develop it, they should license it from tesla or an equivelent feature set competitor.  Also how far do you want to take it. For example, a car with ADAS always knows the speed limit, so if a driver is driving completely manually, and floors it, should we have the car governed to max out at the limit?  Why allow a human to speed at all if we are not allowing the computer to speed?

A driver willfully ignores signs, yet they are "allowed" to speed.  Lets force every manufacturer to install FSD since the tech exists, and then have it function as a governor. Even if you are driving 100% manually, flooring it in a 25 only gets you to 25 :)

Jesus, did you skip school? This is basic understanding, this is not just a case of a driver being able to bypass a system by brute forcing or unintended interference, this is a mode that ignores a limit input, it's a node and system whose whole purpose is to break the law Also speeding is only ever allowed in specific circumstances not as a general thing, it's just that the American police are lazy and low iq idiots that doesn't seem to so their job A car with speed detection or cruise control still doesn't claim automation, the driver is still in full control Fsd with this mode is self driving, or in teslas case claimed self driving but very limited and poor, but with a mode where you tell the self driving car to ignore laws by taking an input and actively speeding. Again speeding needs to be fines more and it needs to be income based, and increasing, let's say start at 10% of monthly income, and increase by 5% every time you. Get caught with let's say a 365 day reset counter, and no top limit But whatever, you are not generally allowed to speed and having a mode which only purpose is to break a law, yeah it's should be banned immediately and the manufacturer who provides it should be fined for selling illegal software

Who is allowed to speed, it is a punishable offence Man do you even know what a law is?

You have always been able to speed with FSD. And the driver is in full control of a level 2 car by definition of the law.  So if your argument is "FSD should not be allowed to speed" you also need to agree with "any car which can read speed signs should never be able to speed" and "now that the tech exists to read speed signs, all manufactuers should be obligated to implement it". Anything short of that is just someone hating one thing cause of the brand name

Drivers, by the fact that we dont bother to enforce the law nearly enough.  Forcing FSD to only do 70 on the highways here would cause unsafe conditions as everyone else is doing 75-85 and sometimes higher.  So the correct answer to the problem is "force FSD to not speed, but if and only if all new cars have FSD, and the system enforces the speed limit even when being driven manually" and in 10 years or so we will have speeding mostly stopped through nanny systems

I mean, if you have always been able to then what is this mode even for? And again you can't comprehend basic logic here A car that can read signs as information but where the driver is still in full control, it's not the car that speeds it's the driver But when lts so called fsd, it should not be able to speed, that should be in manual mode A car being able to read signs but the input and driving is done by the driver, well then it's the driver who speeds and the driver gets fined If you allow self driving or should not be able to speed, since you then allow the self driving system to break the law, I knowyit may be hard to not think in black and white but the nuance is having a system that drives and is actively breaking the law, either put every tesla speeding with fsd fine on tesla or just not allow it to speed, like humans are still not allowed to speed, I guess you are right in a sense, we should honestly just ban self driving, because we can't hold anyone accountable and people with zero thinking skills seem to not grasp the concept of law

And grunted for emphasis Also there's video of him actually doing the my heart goes out to you gesture and he does it like a normal person and it looked nothing like his very obvious and intentional nazi salute

OK, you're crazy (and gullible af)

The answer here if we wont allow ADAS to speed is this: 1. Force ADAS to never speed, computers should not speed.  2. Force ADAS to not allow speeding even when being driven manually, humans should not speed. 2. Force everyone to license FSD (or whatever one they choose) or develop their own by MY27. Give it a decade and everyone will be going the limit.

Worst take ever, if the speed limit on the highway is 70 then that is the limit and anyone speeding is making it unsafe, by normalising breaking the limit they are making an unsafe condition And yes the American police is as pathetic as pretty much everything in their third world country, just because the police are lazy idiots not doing their job doesn't mean the law isnt there Honestly, again, we need more focus on speeding and way harsher fines, you should most definitely have the possibility to be ruined if you speed, you are breaking the law Also if a tesla is limited to only 70 that is because that road is limited right, so if the limit is 90 the tesla fsd would go 90 People like you defending speeding as "safer" are people who should not be allowed to own a car or have a license Because you seem to be able to grasp a simple law limiting a speed, with signs a child can understand, so congrats you have worse perception and number comprehension than a child

Full Reckless Driving.

Max was driving defensively.

Been able to set a speed limit offset for basically forever, where i tell the car "you are allowed to do 10% over limit" or whatever number you want to put in, either as a percentage or a flat mph over. This mode just disables that. I dont have V14 yet so idk if mad max is going to just constantly ride the 85mph max FSD has or if its gonna go with the flow like chill - hurry does. There is nothing stopping a person now from going "i know the speed is 70, the car knows its 70, but im going to set it to 85 anyways". As it stands, FSD is only level 2, so its entirely the driver in control. The driver chose to set the car to go faster than the speed limit, either by enabling mad max, or by being in chill/ stanard/ hurry but setting the limit to 85 in that 70, or by having their offset set to anything higher than 0% over and enabling AP/FSD. Theres functionally no difference, the car was told to do something illegal.  Id be fine with FSD (or equivelent) not allowing me to speed, if and only if all other cars are required to have FSD (or equivelent). Having all teslas doing 70 on I696 where the average speed is 80+ is dangerous as you now have speed differentials going on.

Lol no, if you are so easily scammed to use fsd then don't force that useless garbage on others, if anything ban all self driving software, if the option is to force everyone or ban Talking to you is like talking to a wall, you think binary there is x or y, that is how a child thinks, you can't grasp the differnce of a car controlled by a human and the human being able to speed or allowing a self driving system to actively break the law, by enabling systems to break the law then the systems should not be allowed in the first place But again, it's like talking to a child and a child are not allowed to drive, and neither should you

Ok i agree with you, but thats a perfect world and ours is imperfect.  > People like you defending speeding as "safer" are people who should not be allowed to own a car or have a license This is showing that you dont understand that speed differentials get people killed. You should lose your license as well since you dont understand road safety.  Since you dont understand that an unenforced law is just a suggestion, and a kid knows he can do things he shouldnt that go unpunished, you have less real world intelligence than a child

It's not that it's speeding, it already has a "hurry" mode. It's the degree of speeding plus more aggressive decision making.

Nah. You are just unable to understand your own points.  If you are holding "a car that can read a speed sign should never speed, speeding is unsafe", and are admitting to the fact FSD can read speed signs, thus it should be forced to never speed, this means "forcing all cars to have FSD would stop people feom being able to speed" is true.  So banning FSD is allowing people to speed by allowing them to drive the car. Why do you want to let people do unsafe things?

Give me reliable data that proves speeding is not a cause for accidents and where following a speed limit is I guess it's an American thing, because Americans seem to not be able to drive safely or legally in the first place, I can understand that speed difference can be a safety issue but then why isn't your lazy and useless police actually doing anything about it, this seem to be an issue in third world countries, which seem to include the US, I will agree that the differnce can be an issue but enabling it even more is not the solution, either increase the limit to reflect reality or start fining, harsh fines, Just having a casual accept law breaking is the worst and most idiotic solution

Read the other comments in here. Many people are holding that a car which has software can read a speed sign should never be allowed to speed. Im going off that concept then applying it to manual driving too while requiring all cars to get the "can read speed sign" tech.

Not what im claiming. You keep proving you are incapable of comprehension.  Speeding is dangerous,  speed differentials are also dangerous.  When its a 70mph road and everyone is doing 80, its dangerous to not go with the traffic flow.

Drivers when people point out they ignore every law they don’t like: 🤬🤬😡😡😡

Cool. So it self drives into Wile E. Coyote fake roads even faster. Leon deserves a Darwin award.

They literally have multiple law suits and settlements related to deaths caused by autopilot or fsd.

Just add this to the lawsuits that will eventually catch up to Tesla

[reddit link showing musk doing heart goes out to you gesture. plus nazi salute side by side](https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/s/VBTBPkn1yZ) Yeah, man. Musk knows exactly what he did. How does it feel defending a nazi?

[cant post images on this subbreddit but this is the side-by-side comparison.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/s/VBTBPkn1yZ)

A/P yes, many, FSD, not one AFAIK. That was my point.

Frankly if you want to speed you should be in full manual control. There’s no compelling reason for an L4 ADAS to take reckless risks like that.

Speeding ticket mode🤪🤪🤪

Seriously, people need to learn to drive and pay goddamn attention- sincerely, a motorcylist.  (don't you go blaming me- I've been riding daily for 17 years with no accidents- but dodging distracted texting drivers is a daily occurence)

What could go wrong, i guess you can sue when you are dead, and everybody else involved is also dead.

Maybe he's one of those cyclists that read the studies showing it's literally safer for him to roll stop signs than to stop and it literally reduces collisions. When the laws make his actions more likely to result in his death, then fuck the laws.

And then auto combusts

In a city like mine where every other car is a tesla, this really makes me want to stop driving altogether

Tesla is only a level 2 ADAS. People in here love to attribute to it things its not when its convienent for them to do so.  If a level 3+ is speeding, thats on the manufacturer. If a 2- is speeding, thats on the driver.

Now do the same to cruse control! Hate phantom speed changes.

I thought this is the car that Blade Runner would drive?

Musk = fool

Ketamine is a hell of a drug

FWIW, Deere, Kubota, and others have had self driving combines for at least 7 or 8 years. As you say, it's not rocket science (OTOH, designing the combine itself pretty much is - they're surprisingly complicated inside).

Mad Musk