Stock will be up 5% on Monday due to this report.
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Exactly. Why isn’t this getting more exposure? I like Teslas a lot but truth is truth and facts are facts. What I truly found to be the most disturbing and disappointing besides the loss of life was the fact that Tesla purposely lied and deliberately deleted the footage! Wtf!? That could have been me, my family, your family and they want to lie and hide it? That’s just horrible 😞.
Reprehensible.
Ohh this is gonna be juicy.
More like 10%🤦♂️
Who do we sue when we get hit by these self driving cars and semi trucks? The driver or car/truck manufacturer?
If it's a Tesla, both. The manufacturer for knowingly selling a defective system; the driver because the instructions clearly say "supervised" (albeit in the small print with little explanation of what "supervised" means), and if there was an accident they clearly weren't doing the supervising. In the US, at least, both would probably be found at fault, and then the principle of "deep pockets" would apply, where Tesla would be stuck with the biggest payout.
Yeah, that was my thoughts exactly.
It’s a well known fact that Apple uses consumers as beta testers. An iPhone does not weigh 4500 pounds and easily do 100+mph. That case set a precedent for every fender bender going forward. The shame is its amazing technology now over shadowed by irresponsible marketing.
"no harm done this time" no, thats definitely harm. driving into a no entry road.
he lied. he continues to lie. major countries allow elon to lie about his cars basic functions. these countries take some of the blame for sure. also they take blame for not testing these cars on the roads. any jackass can just code up a self driving car and put it on the market? no? heh
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Really…they aren’t safe? What year is this?
Yet there are idiots buyingthis crap and the fElon has their $$
This actually makes me a little worried in NZ, if the Police decide that they don’t want to press dangerous/careless driving charges because of FSD, the only repercussions the driver would face would be insurance related (or minimal financial/whatever if Police only charged on the lower end). Hopefully the Police will do the right thing but time will tell. (NZ works on a no-fault accident compensation system so there aren’t lawsuits for injuries/etc)
Manufactured consent. Tesla pays so stories go away. Even in car related subreddits. They are straight up evil.
Still Australia gave Tesla permission to test Full Self-Driving (FSD)!? Along with others countries in Europe: Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Spain, Switzerland, Norway, and Portugal!
Except Tesla will lie about the data collected by the vehicle. If you are lucky you might catch them in the lie.
Why so late ?!
Elon really needs to give up on that terrible beard.
Tesla supporters have no choice but to shoot the messenger, as always.
Its more we dont have laws that cover this. We allow level 2 automation and Tesla tells the government thats all it is. The sad part is level 2 automation can be helpful without claiming to be something its not and lulling people into a false sense of its capabilities. Heres some of the early test videos from car reviewers. https://youtu.be/rgmwsk0aiRE?si=Q2FdHSMEhyaLbdWt https://youtu.be/zBAeZ6tUN6s?si=UuD7AQ_cPRZCbciX Its honestly not good.
This story is like 6 years late but better late than never I guess
In america, that is unfortunate called big business.
It would be better if the name wasn't full self driving. If it was advanced cruise control or assisted driving people would pay more attention. Despite what Tesla says the name gives people false confidence in the system.
BB / QNX for the win
BB / QNX for the win
> It would be better if the name wasn't full self driving. If it was advanced cruise control or assisted driving people would pay more attention. I think if the name and advertising was different, people wouldn't pay for it. But since it handles 99% of situations, unless the drivers can better be taught how to recognize and prepare for those 1% failures, it cannot be made safe at lethal speeds. Maybe at speeds under something like 30 MPH a person could process the cars not doing something right and intervene before it causes an accident. We have cars like the VW Tiguan that has never has never had an occupant fatality. This is a vehicle where the safety system takes over when the driver fails to react. That system is proven much safer than the Tesla system. So it would be very hard to argue that the Tesla FSD system should be allowed to be active at any speeds above 50 where other vehicles or people are present.
I believe this is the crux of it in Canada too. Regulation is based on a seemingly self-reported assertion of what level it is. Not only does this present the self-reporting issue, and the gaping regulatory hole that is OTA updates issue, but it also doesn't fix the "functionally L2 but marketed as L3+" problem which can affect how drivers use the system.
Both! The driver should know better than to trust it, and the manufacturer for misrepresenting it.
The problem is the name misrepresents it. Instead of "full self driving", it could be called something like "advanced driver assist", or something else that won't cause owners to put their faith in it.
As a motorcylist (with 17 years of daily riding under my belt and no accidents) when a tesla turns me into a pink smear because the driver was too busy jerking off to AI porn, it'll be MY fault for chosing a dangerous, archaic machine instead of the digital wifi bullshit future.
> In the US, at least, both would probably be found at fault, and then the principle of "deep pockets" would apply, where Tesla would be stuck with the biggest payout. Watching the US shitshow, I'd assume it'd either end up with Tesla doing a settlement with some NDA to hush it up, or they'd drag it out with "lost data" and other bullshit excuses for a decade, driving the legal bill through the roof.
This was his motivation for DOGE. He could remove any people that were or could investigate Tesla and Musk's continual lies about self driving capabilities. He's just like Trump in that regard.
They can only try and lie for so long. I'm heartened to see robust reporting alive and well down under! The republicans' war on data, science and acceptable norms has left it in tatters in the US.
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