Teen was burned alive in malfunctioning Tesla Cybertruck, lawsuit claims

Keeps happening. So sad.

Why are people still driving Teslas? Insanity.

Not this first time either

lol. “The four young people in the Cybertruck were close friends and outstanding individuals, each on the verge of making meaningful contributions to the world." -meanwhile they had cocaine and the driver had BAC twice the legal limit. No one to blame but themselves. Anyone who drives a Tesla knows people inadvertently use the manual door releases all the time.

RIP Heartbreaking. Children shouldn’t suffer for parents vanity.

having non mechanical handles should be illegal, i think they could have electric assist but can still work inside and outside without power

No words. You really aren’t giving very good impression of Tesla fans right now.

Yeah - they had cocaine so they should burn to death because of this cars obvious and stupid design flaw that has already caused numerous other deaths!  Burn them all!

You are a vile human

Yup, they absolutely should be. There needs to be a single handle/release that works regardless of whether the car has power. Separate mechanical handles that are sometimes hidden are not safe. Porsche and other companies have solved this by having the mechanical backup release activate if the handle is pulled all the way, otherwise it is an electric release.

This is a crazy world we live in - if you are mentally impaired to drive it’s still the cars fault

Because they are the best EV’s sold in America when you factor in tech, range, features, acceleration, price. By far. It’s why Tesla is worth more than the next 5 car companies…combined. In this accident, the driver (who, per police, was driving at high speed) failed to locate the manual release lever that’s located right on the door. Now that said, the lawsuit alleges the “manual override/emergency release was non functional”. If that’s true, Tesla is at fault

Yeah but Musk thinks mechanical handles are not cool.

Manual releases could be defective in an emergency. It's sort of appearing that way. Moreover if you have ever been in an accident over 20mph mobility within the interior space could be hampered.

That didn’t make the headlines but a pair of headlights did. More market manipulation

Not being able to easily escape when doors aren’t crushed, is 100% cars fault. Only twisted Tesla fanatics are blaming the victims. Sure they shouldn’t have driven impaired, but that is no justification for getting burned alive.

And won’t be the last.

I agree It is a crazy world if you're mentally impaired. I hope you get the 24 of crayons for Christmas with 2 reds 🙂

Nope, you're going to have to explain to me why Tesla is worth more than the next 5 car companies combined...

“ when you factor in tech, range, features, acceleration, price” And when you factor in safety then they aren’t. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/ Staying alive is the most important stat of all.

Like what tech you speak of? The lack of 360 view, HUD, Proximity Sensors, working auto-wipers?

Cult mentality.

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Cybercoffin

EVs in general just need to have regular door handle. They need to stop reinventing and just give us something machincal

Having better EVs (highly debatable at this point) is absolutely not why Tesla is worth so much. Their market cap is almost entirely based on imagined performance of unreleased products, mainly fully unsupervised autonomous driving and humanoid robots.

They are in some states

Built in AI, industry leading driver assist, tech that allows 1000Hp+ and 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, tech that allows longest overall range compared to competitors, etc.

If you don’t understand how company valuations are made? That’s a different topic.

He doesn't think Lidar is either, hows that working out for him.

As a soon to be exTesla owner I have glass breakers in the front and back door cup holders.

As an early Tesla model S owner - _you have rear cupholders?_

List the fastest EV’s with most range for under $115k. Let me know what you find

The issue with our society is that somebody didn’t slap Elon in the mouth ~~when he tried to act like someone who’s just been in a car accident will remember a separate door handle that they never use~~

Tesla is reckless with life. No two ways about it.

forgot to put it into "door opening mode". Read the manual people!!!!

What if they don't have outside handles? Then it doesn't have to be mechanical, right? Checkmate! (/s obviously) P.S. for anyone that doesn't know, the CT doesn't have an outside handle.

Totally. Pretty much anyone who’s just been in a car accident knows to remove the rubber door pad and reach inside for a cable to pull Don’t forget Tesla cautions you to not use these when the vehicle does have operational voltage Seriously dude. You’re not earning anything to stick up for this jackass. Quit being contrarian for an egomaniac

Tesla’s get top marks by NHTSA for safety ratings. The issue is giving the general public 600+ hp at a an affordable price, as the average driver has no business driving something like that. They literally are safer than most cars on the road

Built in AI? Like please elaborate, what to you is AI as this seems to be thrown around a lot? 1000HP? It's good for mileage? How many of those Plaids are out there? You know that usually Tesla's ranges are inflated compared to the competition, while it's still good, a lot of competition already caught up.

They should build explosive bolts into the door. On impact if it detects a battery fire it initiates the explosive bolts on all doors.

fastest? are you going over 70mph on the regular in public streets?

Not even just never use but I bet 95%+ of owners never even know they exist. If you buy directly from Tesla they do not do any sort of explainer on any of that shit when you first take possession of the vehicle. If you buy used from a third party, they probably don't tell you either.

He wrote in an article about a person burning alive in a tesla because the door could not be opened...

This is so much worse than the Pintos of explosion +2 back in the day.

Apparently the Cybertruck does have a manual way of unlocking the door in the back seats, but you have to lift a rubber mat and pull a mechanical release cable underneath it, which is not something everyone will think of in an emergency. What’s the point of not having an easily access-able way of manually unlocking the door from the inside of the car? Obviously it’s a big problem it situations like these. But what makes Tesla designers do this? Aesthetics is the only thing I can think of. Is that it?

If this happened in anytime prior to 2015 there would be nonstop news coverage of this tragedy.

This is a known problem. Honestly, looking at all the horrible ways that poor children are dying in this world right now; I have a hard time mustering sympathy for the children of the wealthy getting roasted by their own status symbol. At least the alcohol and cocaine in their systems probably took the edge off.

Driving coked and pissed up is illegal and yet here we are blaming Tesla.

LEMON SKU is an anagram of ELON MUSK

Believe it or not, stock goes UP

How is possible that the US agency responsible for auto safety allowed such a lethal design? $$$$

Let’s not discount that these were all 19-20 year olds with (according to the article): “It has been reported that the four victims had substances including COCAINE and ALCOHOL in their systems. Impaired driving and SPEEDING were also contributors of the crash, said the California Highway Patrol.” Not victim blaming, but these were rich trust fund kids joy riding on their parents $ on a weekend night while all intoxicated.

I'm honestly surprised its not DOT mandated. Given the rise of accidents like this, I'm sure we'll see some regulation in another 10-20 years or so.

Look, for the 4,000th time. If your Tesla catches fire and the doors wont open, simply reach into the center console, remove the three plastic tabs and lift the false bottom up from port to starboard. Then remove the 6mm Allen wrench from the compartment by grasping it firmly and breaking it free of the anti vibration clips (there are easily replaced at your next SC appointment and are designed to break). Now, take the allen wrench and, after manually removing the drivers side speaker cover by pulling out firmly, use it to remove the, now, exposed emergency door release panel by unscrewing the 5 fasteners, remembering to unscrew in the clockwise direction rather than the normal leftie loosie pattern (first principles baby). Now that you’ve exposed the manual door release pull three times on the blue cable then twice on the azure cable and the door will open.

Yes, it is still Tesla. Because you Elon dick suckers need some help to distinguish cause of accident and cause of death are two different things.

No, I do. Hence the question.

>tech that allows 1000Hp+ and 0-60 in 1.9 seconds, tech that allows longest overall range compared to competitors, etc. Lucid has them beat on both acceleration and range, and that's just among cars available in the US.

Seen this movie before. Enron.

Calling it a malfunction is disingenuous. The cybercoffin door was working as intended. It's a feature.

Do you have for outside the car so others can remove your unconscious or incapacitated body

At least you have mechanical handles.

Yes you are victim blaming. All of those points are meaningless after a crash, I would save anyone from a burning car if I could, no matter why the car crashed.

We practice this procedure with the whole family. Screaming through the window at Dad... "it's THE AZURE CABLE, DAD!", and then whispering "idiot"

Cyber truck glasses are "bulletproof", do you think it would be effective ?

Just the first 14 words of your reply would suffice.

> the blue cable then twice on the azure cable Isn't azure a shade of Blue? Or was that the joke - /r/whoosh ?

The original designation was Cerulean, but for some reason they changed it to Azure. I guess for more clarity in an emergency.

If they could explain it in 14 words I am sure Elon would approve it

Yeah I'm picturing explaining it to my GF and figure it's not worth dying debating over.

Bullish!!!

Pretty well; he’s worth $500B/s Amazing what conman skills can get you nowadays

Big if true...

NHSTA still investigating the door handle situation. And if there should be a recall. That’ll be pretty massive and be very costly.

If any other auto maker had inescapable cars that caught fire or crashed themselves automatically the government would force a recall of every last one. The fact that Tesla has faced no real consequences for everything is insane.

There is a reason there is regulation, something Mr Musk doesnt agree with and then you have Musk designing this and selling it when its a deathtrap.

Jesus Christ dude

Should have done more escape rooms obviously /s

We don't care why they crashed we care why they were trapped inside smooth brain

There are internal mechanical ones (I think by law?) but the issue is that several brands hide them very well. I quickly checked for the Cybertruck, the front ones look are right in the middle of the door. You would think they're the main ones. There's no label though. The rear ones are under a flap at the bottom of the compartment area of the door. Again no label. It's insane how we're expected to play Easter egg with the mechanism during a moment of emergency. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T4Rs2OQLrWw That a lot of moderns cars have laminated glass on all windows doesn't help either. I rather have a window you can break with a tool and climb out of, since a door can be jammed from the impact. These guys had hit a retaining wall and a tree. The 4th person in the car managed to get out when a helper broke a windows with a branch.

noted

China is actually way ahead of us here. They are going to require that and much safer batteries. https://carnewschina.com/2025/04/17/china-bans-ev-battery-fires-and-explosions-with-groundbreaking-safety-standard-starting-july-2026/ https://evmagz.com/china-plans-ban-on-fully-retractable-car-door-handles-over-safety-concerns/

It’s clearly discussed on the owners manual

Absolutely. Highway limit is 75mph in many us highways

Grok is standard now in all teslas

Which model and what price?

At least for getting out.

Door pockets/cup holders... Potato/potAto

I wonder which engineer designed the door handle and which engineer from regulator approved the design.

It is illegal in EU precisely because of safety regulations, that’s one reason of many many why they cannot sell it there. Anyone buying a car from that brand is basically paying a lot of money to become a test pilot for tech made by cheap amateurs. Usually being a test pilot is the other way around, where they risk the same or less than a tesla driver, and get paid a lot of money to drive hi-tech vehicles designed by actual engineers.

Cult mentality which causes the stock to rise every time Leon Skum posts some dumb shit about crypto or announces another thing that they definitely ~~will~~ won't come out with in a months time or so.

That’s why Tesla won’t be found legally liable.

Right? I'd argue I actually don't want the majority of people to have this much power in their car judging by how so many people behave in traffic lol.

>Because they are the best EV’s sold in America when you factor in tech, range, features, acceleration, price.  Yeah, I agree on this.. although that speaks more about the current state of the EV industry in the country than the actual value Tesla's cars. >It’s why Tesla is worth more than the next 5 car companies… Sorry but no, that's definitely not it.. TSLA literally a meme stock.

Sure, it’s the best EV if you can remain calm as you burn to death.

Idc how drunk you are, opening a car door from inside the car should be easily done, these type of situations are why.

This type of thing happening repeatedly would've gotten any other car brand in really big trouble.... But not Tesla with their cult following lol.

How much of that can he liquidate to buy corndogs though. That's the real measure of a man's wealth.

It isn't just that. Admitting this wasn't a good idea and retrofitting the entire existing fleet would be INSANELY expensive, digging deep into their already large budget problems. Redesigning the mechanism for future models is also expensive, which is why, when this was known many many years ago it didn't immediately get done. Tesla/Musk have been cutting corners for "cool" ever since the earliest days. There were no automotive grade large screen displays for the early Teslas.. but it was seen as "cool" even though all the evidence indicates that knobs and buttons are much much safer. So they used a standard LCD display. Naturally when cars heat up in the sun, the display was damaged or destroyed.. it wasn't designed for that. They quietly fixed it for some customers and moved on.

that's fair, though the lemmings that buy TSLA at the insane current market price will probably support a fair unwind on his part before they realize its smoke and mirrors

Which can be easily achieved with an old school downsized inline 3 1.0T engine (that typically top out at ~105 MPH, and this happened in California where 70mph is the statewide max). You don't even need an EV or a fancy ICE to be capable of going 50% over the speed limit. So, unless you were planning to outrun cops, speed and acceleration isn't really the thing to take into account here. Especially when you are commenting on a thread where excessive speed is one of the factors that contributed to the accident.

In its short existence, the Cybertruck seems to have killed way more people than the Ford Pinto ever did. Why is it allowed to be sold?

Respectfully, you are altering or changing the goal post as they say. Horsepower, torque 0 to 60, 1/4mile top speed figures? Have been benchmarks in the automotive industry for decades. So to say that they’re not really relevant anymore because the plaid obliterates the competition at a fraction of the price? Is disingenuous at best.

By chance have you googled how many people have burned to death in a Tesla compared to combustion engine vehicles? (After you extrapolate, full volume of vehicles, of course). Alternatively ask any of your favorite AI engines if a person is more likely to burn to death in a Tesla than any other vehicle and let me know what it tells you.

A meme stock for 13 years? Where it’s exponentially grown over that time? Ok.

The location and how to use the emergency release handle is clearly documented within the owners manual.

>A meme stock for 13 years?  Lol, no.. 13 years ago TSLA was at 2 dlls. >Where it’s exponentially grown over that time? It literally exploded at the same time COVID hit, 5 years ago, when everyone had money for meme stocks.. tell me, how is the company doing since then? spoiler alert.. pretty bad.

Were the people who burned in those vehicles able to escape the car? Or were the handles malfunctioning?

You actually just made my point. AI tells me Covid began in January 2019. TSLA since then is up over 2000%. Yes, I know. Hard to believe. But I’m open to a counterpoint that shows differently if you have it.

Per the wording on the lawsuit, all 4 of the manual releases were “malfunctioning”. Which based on the crash damage (the driver sustained minimal injuries as a result of the actual collision), is somewhat hard to believe that all 4 manual releases..failed. But I’m guessing the court hearing will determine those facts

I believe it, given how poorly designed the Cybertruck is.

Why would I want a LLM like Grok in my car? A lot of cars now have voice-commands. Can I ask Grok to fix ever-sucking auto-wipers? How is that a better tech over 360 view when I need to park or HUD to keep important data in my eye view instead of looking away to the screen? You should see Lexus's haptic buttons combined with HUD if you want to see some cool tech.

Or...NHTSA could require Tesla to install a mechanical latch in all of its current and future vehicles. In the meantime, I hope the jury in this case sends a multi-billion dollar lesson on car safety to Musk.

Great question. For same reason you use your laptop or mobile phone for AI. I use it regularly to literally have a two way conversation on…any topic…as I commute to work. Sports, politics, current events, math…you name it. I find it quite useful and I’m positive other carmakers will soon follow Teslas lead and add some form of AI into their entertainment systems. And sure, you can “just use your phone”, which is exactly what people said about in car navigation a few years ago….

I have neither…

Inside? Yes. Outside? Only when they decide to present themselves…

A lot worse that you realize. [Here](https://www.wardsauto.com/news/archive-wards-my-somewhat-begrudging-apology-to-ford-pinto/775243/) Unfortunately, Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that is cited is deep behind paywalls.

Maybe if enough attractive young white people die in these shitheaps, the public mood will shift and force Tesla to do the right thing.

Common sense would say....Somethings just work fine the way they are.

Why did they just mention her and not the other dude Lmao

Is this real? xD

That would make them look cheap, and if it looks cheap they have to be cheap and GOD FORDBID THERE'S A CHEAP EV FOR THE MASSES.

There was a production run that did require you to remove the speaker cover to access the manual door release. IN all seriousness I do think they’ve fixed the interior issue across all the models, but not having a way to open the door easily from the outside is pretty sketchy. I think they’ve settled 3 wrongful death lawsuits to this point for well over a total of $500m.

Seems to be functioning as intended.

No passenger is expected to read the owner's manual.

Lawsuit payouts over dead kids is cheaper than fixing the actual problem. That's how corporations work and think.

After a few mentions of the dreaded Ford Pinto, I decided to look into that, and quickly found this! https://www.planetizen.com/news/2025/02/134273-analysis-cybertruck-fatality-rate-far-exceeds-ford-pinto The URL says it all!

You forgot the part where ~~Cinco~~ Tessler needs to remove your teeth

covid did not begin in january 2019, what? is that a typo or did AI really tell you that?

>tech that allows 1000Hp+ and 0-60 in 1.9 seconds Too bad that the [brakes will fail](https://www.thedrive.com/news/judge-orders-tesla-to-buy-back-model-s-plaid-over-track-braking-failure) after a single turn on the track, aka the only place you can use all of that power.

nope, nobody owes you anything

It's good to know that safety features are secondary to you being able to talk with Grok.

These figures are only relevant if you are taking your car to the track on Sundays, not for mass market adoption of your vehicle and thus making it the main driver behind stock price, which is what you were arguing. Yes, there is a halo effect from flashy products, but if being this fast means Karen and Joe die trapped inside a car on fire then they will go with the slower but reliable not-Tesla that allows them to safely exit the vehicle in an emergency, even if they broke 3 fingers on the crash.

> Staying alive is the most important stat of all. It's only important if you want repeat buyers!

EscapeX rooms?

Will this void my warranty?

I wouldn’t be caught dead in a Tesla (see what I did there?) even if they were quality vehicles. (They’re not, comparatively speaking) Unless you’re aligned with extremists and far right ideology, buying a Tesla means your money supports and empowers a figure whose public actions actively undermine your values. Then again, most people put their morality to the side if it presents them with some sort of inconvenience.

It took toyota 27 deaths to fix the faulty airbags, they have an algorithm that says when it is financially better to fix a problem than settle wrongful death cases.

That’s the sad part. Regardless if someone is dumb enough to drive one, I don’t think anyone deserves to burn to death because of Tesla inability to admit and fix problems.

Yeah, in emergency situations when a vehicle is filled with smoke and you’re panicking, it doesn’t seem to be an adequate solution. Especially for children and the elderly.

I can’t imagine driving a Tesla around. Unless you’re aligned with extremists and far right ideology, buying a Tesla means your money supports and empowers a figure whose public actions actively undermine your values. Then again, most people put their morality to the side if it presents them with some sort of inconvenience. Let’s pretend for a second that you have no moral compass and don’t care who you support politically and how you’re viewed. Beyond that, despite the premium price tag, Teslas are notorious for inconsistent build quality; including issues like misaligned body panels, poor paint finish, and interior rattles. Furthermore, the after-sales service is slow, uncommunicative, and inadequate in its ability to handle the sheer volume of vehicles on the road. Then you add in the deception and snake oil sales; Tesla is facing extensive investigations and lawsuits over exaggerating the capabilities and safety of its driver-assistance systems, branded as "Autopilot" and "Full Self-Driving" (FSD). This is deceptive marketing that risks lives on public roads, and there are numerous documented cases of safety incidents tied to these systems. The cars have an over reliance on technology while having a lack of basic features. The touchscreen creates a single point of failure with basic functions often hidden behind multiple menus, then you have the most brutal safety criticism of them all; the door handles. Loss of power is a critical failure point in an accident. Most Teslas use electronic door handles and when a major accident occurs, the low voltage system fails and the doors become inoperative trapping people inside. While there is a manual “solution,” it’s inadequate and dangerous. The small mechanical lever by the window switches or the rear seat cables or levers are often hidden and can be hard to find with smoke or panic setting in. Worse so for the elderly or children. You have to lift a carpet / mat in the door pocket to release the cable. Tesla used to be the only game on the block but now the competition has largely caught up. BYD is outselling Tesla globally already. Even though the Chinese models will not be available to those in the U.S., you can still buy an affordable EV with much better build quality, broader selection of body styles, equivalent or superior range and charging speed (800V Kia and Hyundais charge fast af!)… The reasons are numerous. The one advantage Tesla still has that will likely be eroded with time is the supercharger network. That’s it imo. Full self driving is a pipe dream that won’t ever come to fruition unless Elon makes a 180 and decides to embrace LIDAR and multi-sensor suites. Tesla will someday go the way of Nokia, MySpace, IBM; they were all market leaders at one time and industry champions that revolutionized the world. Now? Not so much. Don’t even get me started on the Government subsides, without which Tesla would have failed and wouldn’t exist. Elon should really thank Obama for that!

This is probably the wrong subreddit to post something factual about a Tesla, but the Cybertruck does have an emergency manual release on all four doors. I definitely don’t disagree that Tesla should do a better job educating a new owner of its location, because most people will never know it’s there unless they read the owners manual (which no one ever does). But if you were going to give or let your teenager son or daughter a 7000 pound truck that has 0-60 speeds faster than most modern sports cars, you should probably at the very least read the owners manual and educate your kids on safety essentials before letting them take it out of the driveway.

It’s not in some places. There a few military members that couldn’t bring their Cybertrucks to Germany because in the EU they’re considered unsafe. [Check it out](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a68133176/us-armed-forces-service-members-no-tesla-cybertruck/) Apparently we just don’t care in America, OR maybe we do and that’s why Elon bought the election and destroyed the agencies that could investigate him with DOGE. Surely not… Elon wouldn’t do something like that.

Out of curiosity, what difference does it make? If the occupants inside any car are incapacitated and the doors are locked, what exactly will having external door handles help with? Is someone gonna pick the lock while the occupants burn alive inside?

Elon bought the politicians and removed anyone investigating him with DOGE.

An absolutely unnecessary invention to solve a problem that didn't exist and created a new one. Genius!

I fucking hate Musk. I fucking hate Tesla. But this is such gaslighting bullshit. You're just as bad as Musk.

That's good to know. Will passengers be given a safety briefing from the driver when they get in? If not, why not?

You're making a fair point, while the glass is easy to crack, laminated glass is not easy to bash your way out of.

The swasticar does it again. Most lethal car brand in America.

In this specific case, since the driver suffered only minor injuries as a result of the actual crash? If she would have read the owners manual three lives would have been saved.

I actually don’t disagree with much of what you said. But again you’ve moved the goal post a bit. My initial post was specifically based on metrics such as range, acceleration price, etc.. in which case the competition such as Porsche and Audi for example cost significantly more and still have less range and slower acceleration. As far as the concerns about the CEO, I understand your point there too. But do you dig into the political ideology of the CEOs of every company that you purchased merchandise from? If not, you are being inconsistent with your logic.

No. What information are you finding that shows that Teslas are unsafe than other vehicles? NHTSA rate them well above average in their safety test. In fact among the best in their class.

Oh the stock brakes are absolutely not designed or recommended for track use. For that Tesla sells the ceramic brake package. Which is specifically designed for high-performance track use. On the street? I find the stock brakes to be totally fine. That is when I have to use them. 95% of the time I’m using the region.

OK, when are you stating that Covid began. Use that date till now and let me know the Tesla stock trajectory during that timeframe.

>I find the stock brakes to be totally fine. That's because you're using a small fraction of the available horsepower. You'd think it would be required for standard brakes to be able to handle a car's stock power output. But with Tesla, that'll cost you an additional $19,500.

“A times B times C”

That’s because with any car maker ceramic brakes are always pricey. Always. And from my perspective, Tesla had a couple of options here. 1) greatly limit the horsepower of a plaid, unless you paid $20k for the optional ceramic brake package. But if they did that now you’re bumping too close to the lower horsepower numbers of the model S long range. 2) include the ceramic brake kit package standard with the plaid. But if they did that, you’re pushing the price range to a level that people like me would have found to be just out of the range they want to pay, thus, impacting sales. So they opted to give you all of the available horsepower and acceleration (but limit the top speed to 163). Knowing that most drivers of a car with that much horsepower would understand the limits (especially on the street )of the stock brakes. I personally know that if the horsepower would have been limited on the plaid? I would’ve kept my old models, long range and never purchased the plaid.

>I personally know that if the horsepower would have been limited on the plaid? I would’ve kept my old models, long range and never purchased the plaid. You should have done that anyway. You spent a bunch of money for a nerfed supercar.

Can we officially consider Elon a serial killer?

Not really. I honestly have never/would never do 163 mph top speed. But have I been known to out accelerate Hellcats, Vettes, and even a Lambo from a stoplight? Yes. And easily

I am also soon to be an exTesla owner and I remember having a conversation with my non-techie wife about how and why she needs to get out of the car quickly if she’s ever in an accident. It’s not a conversation I ever thought we would have to have but here we are.

what the fuck is this source Like the same story is in [NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/business/tesla-cybertruck-doors-lawsuit-california.html) and [ABC]( https://abc7news.com/post/piedmont-cybertruck-crash-tesla-krysta-tsukahara-lawsuit-elon-musk/17927213/) and many other outlets

Ford Pinto again

Err they can be incapacitated and not dead yet?

Because Land of the Free!

They are the iPhones of the auto industry, sheep just love to chase the flashiest things

Same story with Boeing and the FAA, US agencies can be bought

The CyberTruck has a fatality rate 11 times higher than the Pinto when it was taken off the market. Only 27 Pinto has tanks exploded. Telsa hides sales numbers, so don't know the percentage of CT's that explode.

Medical incapacitation is when someone is not able to perform certain actions or make decisions due to an injury or mental health condition.

Yea so someone outside can open the door to rescue them???

Didn’t Elon take designing it into his own hands and turned the electrical into an old string of Christmas lights where when one light burns out the whole string doesn’t work?

Does that tell us if we do a recall or not?

The fact that mechanical door latches are not a 100% federal requirement is a goddamn joke. NTHSA needs to step in and force a recall on any car without them.

BuT ELOn cAReS aBoUt ThE PlaNEt.

Yup Tesla should be illegal. They are designed to end people. Not progress humanity If you buy a Tesla it’s your FAULT

The driver died.

Well theoretically when the car detects an accident the doors should unlock ... but we know that feature is missing too. One potential scenario where it would matter: if one was able to rescue the driver, they could unlock all the other doors and save other passengers using an outside handle.

Good thing is that China is mandating the mechanical and electrical as one hardware now. Because China is largest EV market, hopefully OEM switches all market to same handle required by China.

Yup - we've all seen Fight Club and we know it might be fiction, but it is also truth.

That’s more complicated then the self destruct sequence for the Nostromo.

Cocaine and alcohol….are not to blame at all

Yes. But per the report, she had very minor injuries associated with the initial crash. She then failed to use the manual door release to open the doors, and then she succumbed to the smoke/flames. So totally avoidable if she would have read the owners manual and learned where the manual release was.

How about 10 billion dollar punitive damages?

How many lives will Tesla's algorithm allow, factoring in the entire NHTSA could be fired / investigated / arrested / etc for not cowering to the federal regime?

Once they admit fault it opens a floodgate, an all up front money loss. Better to spread it across a few fiscal quarters until the model is out of circulation. Johnson and johnson knew asbestos was in baby power for 50 years until they got sued enough. After countless deaths.

My older model 3 doesnt even have a hidden release cable for the rear doors

It should be in the demo videos that is shown to new buyers when you pick up your car

Glad they're banned in the EU.

Indeed; lets hope the lawsuits start flowing in - especially from punitive international organizations, like the EU who have tend to have a higher bar than Canada and especially the US.

Well Porsche has actual engineers designing their cars.

This is a fair point. However, the Cybertruck and all modern Tesla cars also have automatic unlock when there is a deployment of airbags. It is unclear if the trigger requires just deployment of a specific airbag or if it unlocks with any airbag deployment. But there is theoretically the potential of power being severed in a massive accident (say when the occupants are driving at excessive speed and hit something) before the unlocking mechanism is performed. But this can happen to any vehicle with handles or not. If one googles car accidents with occupants trapped inside, you will find many recent accidents where this happens and the doors appeared to be either still locked or jammed shut. This is why I personally think lawsuits like this are mostly a fishing expedition, and not really legit. Now, If someone was to argue that the side windows really don’t need to be that strong on the cybertruck, I’d absolutely agree that they should be much easier to break open in the event of an emergency. It shouldn’t take a firefighter 5-10 minutes with an axe to break through the side windows on any car.

I think it’s also required for the european market.

Isn't the risk of burning to death clearly stated in the owners manual?

Enough to be richer than everyone on this thread combined.

Yeah, but that alone is a pretty trivial amount of wealth that wouldn't keep his businesses running for even an hour of their operating expenses.

I think the bigger difference is with most other cars, when you're not incapacitated, open when you pull the inside handle even if they're locked. The basis of this particular suit I believe is that the emergency releases are too hard to find ... in an emergency. That is where lawsuits in theory can cause change. If enough of them happen and are successful it forces the manufacturer to fix the problem.

100%. Imagine calling up an Uber and when they come telling them "sorry I can't ride with you, I haven't read a manual for your XYZ car so it wouldn't be safe for me".

I doubt the "well it's in the manual" excuse would hold up anyway even for the owners. Courts have established the precedent that Terms of Service agreements can't bury outrageous stipulations and hold users to those extraordinary and inappropriate stipulations because *nobody* but the involved corporate lawyers read those things. I can easily see precedent bring established on the same basis for safety information about something as crucial as fucking door releases in cars where the doors are locked shut in the event of catastrophic damage requiring use of *hidden* emergency door releases. It would be one thing if there was a short animation that played on Tesla's big screens every time you switch the car into Drive to indicate the locations of the pulls, which would be trivislly easy to implement...but literally I had my Tesla for about 6 years before I found out about this issue and looked for the releases myself. They may not be doing it on purpose but those releases are effectively a secret which the vast majority of owners don't know.

Not just Tesla. Mother in laws Honda CRV has electro locks as well which we found out when the battery went flat and the blade held in the key fob didn't open the car...though I don't know about the interior handles in this state, the exterior handles were basically useless. I was dumbfounded at the backup key blade not working. I actually rang a dealer on the spot and he confirmed; yep that model year, they've taken the mechanically operated locks out. After 3 recovery guys came out, we got one who'd done it before. I knew we needed to pop the bonnet to get to the 12V but I didn't have any tools that could do it. Turns out, Jack the front off the ground, remove the under trays and wind your hand up, with a screw driver in it, until you can just about flick the catch with the end of the screw driver. Recovery man only managed it out of blind luck I think!

i think driving head on at high speed into a tree kinda voids the warranty, and the part about breaking the window with a tree branch highly unlikely

Well people are still buying his crap. Ok EV lol.

Tesla’s P/E ratio exceeds 225x, far above both traditional automakers (Ford \~9x, GM \~8x) and even many tech companies. In case you don't understand finance calculations, The P/E ratio calculates how much investors are paying for each dollar of a company’s earnings reported. Essentially meaning that the higher the p/e ratio, the higher the consumer sentiments of that company even though the company is not profiting much. Tesla’s stock is heavily driven by retail investors who congregate on Reddit, X, and YouTube. Retail investors often justify Tesla’s price on abstract future scenarios (AI, robotics, Mars colonization, etc.) rather than near-term financial metrics, mirroring meme stock dynamics. I already know you don't know what is p/e ratio, so let me show you some comparison. Companies like Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, Meta have P/E ratio of 30x-50x. Tesla has a whooping 225x. Tesla needs to have 6x their current earnings to bring their p/e ratio down to the 40x range. Again showing you that tesla is a meme stock. Their earnings don't reflect their stock price, it's all hyped up by clowns like you. I actually hate arguing with someone about finance who doesn't work in finance but i just can't overlook someone who is dumber than the average joe. not that i expected much from americans actually.

So you basically made my point by confirming that yes, by far, Tesla is (by far), the most valuable car company on Earth based on the valuation used by every single .Wall Street analyst/firm. And all with zero paid advertising. All by ground up building their product. Thanks!

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This should be a company wide recall, but the payoffs keep that from happening. Musk wants all environmental & safety regulations eased & so he pays the right people & it happens. What a mess.

And Martin-Baker ejection seats while they are at it. No one should have to burn alive after surviving a devastating car crash.

They don't crash themselves

Yes they do … 😂

The one in the post didn't crash itself. It takes a human to operate one.