Video: "Things Tesla won’t tell you about Robotaxi (Highlights)" - best stress-test yet!

This is a pseudo-critical video. Creator feels like he still drinks Musk’s Kool-Aid

I don't disagree. I still stand by my "best stress-test yet" addition in the title, though, as it's the first time I have seen video with someone actually trying to deliberately trip the things up. Do you think all the driving was autonomous, or do you think there will have been regular teleoperational oversight? We've seen the pictures of an office full of staff, some with steering wheels at their desks; I am guessing he stuck out like a sore thumb straight away, and they were soon watching everything he did like hawks!

I'm fascinated how there are so many blokes on YouTube who somehow think they are interesting. Zero production values. Zero charisma. Mediocre voice. What a boring video. I bailed at minute 3. Should have done this at second 0 when the intro was his unremarkable face just blabbering into the camera. Yes, it's a bit hypocritical as I'm also kinda like that on a forum (ranting into the big void that's the internet) but at least I don't go through the troubles of making a video like that thinking the world is waiting for me and my opinions.

This is the first time that I am aware of that someone has managed to get an invite to use Tesla's Austin robotaxis who has actually tried to test them remotely usefully. Forget the first few minutes and have a look at these two: >[13:13](https://youtu.be/OVqIkyDtxxo?t=793) Strong indication Robotaxi software not using the front bumper camera [13:35](https://youtu.be/OVqIkyDtxxo?t=815) Confirmation monitor using door button as emergency stop I do think the videographer probably has a little more taste for the Elon-Ade than most of us here, and I am wondering how much external input there might have been, given how the initial rush has passed, and he was probably a) immediately spotted as someone testing the cars out and b) Tesla clearly have the ability to both observe, and to some extent control, what the cars are doing from afar.

It’s weird that it doesn’t use the front bumper camera

Missed his 15 minutes of fame by **not** letting the safety monitor get into the drivers seat. Clearly this mofo is on Tesla's payroll

Literally 30 minutes of video with very little footage of the 'thing' working. Clearly, the video had to go through brand approval. And it's obviously fucking garbage. pd: And stop saying that it is robotaxi blah blah autonomous.., it is clearly supervised by a human XD THAT ACTIVELY ACTS DIRECTLY ON THE CAR in the face of any crap to SOLVE the problem.

Tesla has 300 incidents per 100k. That is not near close enough to be ready for full autonomous driving. It needs to be 1 or below per 100k. Waymo is below 1 at the moment.

*“Solving Full Self-Driving” \[FSD\] is the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money and being worth basically zero.”* \- Elon Musk FSD progress seems to have, at best, stalled. Look at the first graph on the [FSD Community Tracker](https://teslafsdtracker.com/). They won't be able to make money from Robotaxi until there are orders of magnitude of improvement, as you suggest, and that is not going to happen in months, or even years; it would take at least a decade unless they completely changed their approach. Even if they did, adding radar &/or lidar, abandoning the end-to-end neural network nonsense, so they could e.g. actually hard-code the law, instead of. e.g., routinely speeding, because that's what happens in the data it feeds on, everything about the way Musk operates is antithetical to the approaches to business, and to engineering, required to make continuous progress, and to keep regulators happy, and thus gain the approvals required. People have, in the main, burnt their fingers shorting TSLA until now, because theer are a lot of irrational investors 'buying the dip' every time the latest bad news causes a sell-off. Think how much of this there has been in the last twelve months, and yet the share price is higher now than it was a year ago! My guess is that the de-indexing of TSLA from the S&P 500 will be the catalyst causing an avalanche of selling that, finally, overwhelms the dip-buyers and tanks it back into a two-figure valuation. Work out when that will happen, buy the appropriate puts, and there is money to be made. As I understand [the rules the S&P Index Committee follow](https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf), the earliest they will be able to do this, if they want to, will be when this ceases to be true: *"The sum of the most recent four consecutive quarters’ Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) earnings (net income excluding discontinued operations) should be positive as should the most recent quarter."* *This is because:* *"A company that substantially violates one or more of the eligibility criteria \[...\] may be deleted from the respective component index at the Index Committee’s discretion."* This could happen as soon as Jan 2026 when they report Q4 2025 earnings. What do you think?

While it may be higher then a year ago, it has been a poor investment since about 2021. Pretty much flat ups and downs. Just wanted to point that out as taking any arbitrary instance of pretty much any stock, you can show increases or decreases. As per a deindexing, I can not see that happening in the timeline you suggest. Even if they negated some of the eligibility criteria, it would not surprise me to see them change the criteria to included them. While they are are some excessive meme value that is. If it were to happen, there would be a forced selloff of significant amounts.

"69" robotaxi rides. Stopped watching right there.

Especially given there is neither lidar nor radar. It seems so obviously a good idea to avoid blind spots! For some reason Musk seemed to think it was more important to get something called a robotaxi out there than to make it safe. If this makes economic sense then there is clearly something wrong with the regulatory and/or judicial regime.

I've seen mention of shorting TSLA call options. I had never contemplated second-derivative options before, let alone purchased any, but once I got my head around the concept I started to wonder whether, given there seem to be so many cultists still convinced the share price is going to be surging upwards really soon now, as Musk achieves worldwide autonomous supremacy, they might be a suitable vehicle for us more sceptical types to profit from this madness. With respect to deindexing, the S&P Index Committee can leave a stock in there, despite negative earnings, an example being Intel. I expect they do so in the interests of stability of their Index, a belief that the company is fundamentally sound. and an expectation that the negative earnings are likely temporary. I would be surprised if they feel the same way about TSLA, however. If I were on the committee, and saw things as I do, I'd want to get shot of it as soon as I was allowed, as I certainly wouldn't want it in there when, as would seem to be inevitable, the price collapses. Another consideration is that S&P is headquartered in New York, [the city with the largest Jewish population in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_city). It is already apparent to me that, in the countries of Europe, people were more disgusted by Musk's not-a-sieg-heil gestures, and, arguably even more so by [the way he joked about it afterwards](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5103537-adl-which-had-defended-musk-takes-issue-with-his-nazi-puns/), than in most of the rest of the world, because our countries were bombed, invaded, and this is where the death camps were. I would honestly be surprised if there were not also similarly elevated levels of disgust felt in New York, given this aspect of its demographics.

I get the impression you’ve had your share of tough breaks, and I respect that it can leave one cynical and disillusioned. Still, putting yourself out there takes courage, and aiming criticism at ideas rather than the people sharing them usually leads to more worthwhile discussions. It’s easy for any of us to forget there’s a human being on the other side of the screen, and remembering that makes every conversation better.

There is at least one video showing Tesla's Robotaxi dropping off customers in the middle of an intersection. On a CROSS!!!

Why fly in to Austin to experience this? Aren't there already Uber drivers who insist on using FSD?...What would be the difference?

One reason why I wrote that post is that I use YouTube a lot, probably more than most, and it's annoying to get a significant percentage of really bad videos. There are a lot of excellent clips but unfortunately a ton of forgettable videos as well. Like this one. I do not think that I was overly harsh in my criticism. The video from this thread is simply an example of what I think is a video that should have never been made and uploaded. It's an example of clips where the producer/influencer somehow thinks people who do not know them at all (that's different from friends and family) are interested in listening to their opinions while having to look at them. Using the anchor model from regular TV. This is also extremely common for reviews of popular tourist destinations. If you search for reviews of a particular place, chances are that Jennifer and John start their video in the hotel room, both smiling in the camera selfie-style and excitedly telling the potentially vast audience of strangers how they just flew into XYZ and are suuuuper excited about exploring the place. Yawn !!!! Regular TV has an armada of directors, producers, casting professionals and therefore there's a certain standard (usually) that the audience is used to. These DIY YouTube guys who think that they can just recreate this in their home office simply don't even come close to this standard. Criticism isn't just insult. It's simply an opinion that something is bad and influencers, especially, should not reject it because of hurt feelings. If the influencer decides to create a video of them talking for a significant amount of time into the camera then they will expose themselves to criticism that their look isn't working. That there is a lack of charisma. That the audience will (like I did) question, why does that person think I want to see him talk, talk, talk?! "Get to the interesting part, already, please". This only works if he is \*interesting\*. And look and charisma can help here. Which he has neither. \>90% of these videos that start with a monologue with a self-centered video of the influencer just talking and talking are bottom barrel forgettable. It's lazy, boring, vain, unprofessional etc. And anyone who has the \*confidence\* to expose their work to an audience of \*billions\* needs to understand that fact. It's not just me who has to understand, as you put it, "It’s easy for any of us to forget there’s a human being on the other side of the screen, and remembering that makes every conversation better." His video didn't make anything better. Maybe that wasn't his objective. It wasn't mine either - I just posted my opinion about these untalented people who think that their boring videos and opinions are worthwhile for the extremely large YouTube audience. If I wanted to make a conversation better and I had access to him, I would just pull him aside and politely tell him that if the wants to become a better influencer, he should work a bit harder because a huge audience deserves better.

They may not have enough labeled data from that perspective, or utilizing it turned out to be more challenging, causing delays, etc. It’s hard to imagine that they don’t plan on eventually being able to use that camera. But they’re so far behind Waymo on fleet deployment, and every day Waymo operates at scale they gather more data and widen their lead. Tesla is cooked in this market.

69 rides🤣 😂😂❗❗❗❗💯💯💯💯

3:55. Talking about putting rear windows up automatically. "But if you roll them down after that...?" What how do you roll down windows of a car you are not in? Weird logical glitch.