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Has anyone else noticed that "regular"/non-Full Self Driving has gotten worse the last few weeks or months?

thebiglebrewski | 2025-07-01 00:42 | 87 views

Old bad behaviors seem to be coming back. Phantom breaking near tractor trailers, highway signs, or bridges, sub par lane marker reading, going way too fast over hills and veering into the other lane/not handling curvature well, not registering weight on the wheel or slight turning movement as you paying attention, and as an added bonus way more false forward collision warnings, corrective steering applied, and other "false alarms"? As I was writing this post (my wife is driving) a phantom breaking event happened because of a "left lane closed ahead" sign that almost caused another vehicle to rear end us! We live in a more rural area and it feels like maybe with all of the testing focused on FSD in cities like Austin, other types of areas or non-FSD auto steer are not being tested as rigorously. Overall it feels like the besides Autopilot getting worse the driving experience is just degrading. We are back to mostly manual driving which is still nice in a Model 3 but other cars have seemingly perfected these other features in 2025. This our 2nd Model 3 (2024 Highland) and we started with a Model S in 2016. Feels like peak was with the last Model 3 or the first 6 months or so of this one and since then it's just gotten worse. Does anyone else feel this way?

Comments (24)
InfluenceEastern9526 2025-07-01 00:45

But the car can drive itself to the purchaser. What's your point?

jason12745 2025-07-01 00:46

This exactly illustrates the fundamental problem with the overall development approach. There is literally no way to know what or who regresses with every change. You can’t measure something without a yardstick and disengagement is so sad a metric everyone has their own definition.

matt2001 2025-07-01 00:50

I turned it off a few months ago and I feel a lot safer driving on the freeway.

beren12 2025-07-01 01:05

Thank you.

Ok-Wasabi2873 2025-07-01 01:34

Glad it’s not just me. Getting random forward collision warning going over bumps on the highway. Slams on the brake whenever a car in front in another lane is not center. That car isn’t even touching the lane marking, just close to the marking. Feels like the car is just guessing the road after a gentle curve and then goes “damn, I think I guessed wrong, better slam on the brake.” It’s not looking at mapping data to slow down if the curve changes the other way. All visual data.

GarysCrispLettuce 2025-07-01 01:44

Please turn it off - you're risking lives by using it.

[deleted] 2025-07-01 02:11

Are they degrading autopilot to force people into fsd? I wouldn’t be shocked.

weHaveThoughts 2025-07-01 02:14

Maybe just maybe Tesla has the wrong approach to deploying software which is still in the development. Testing on live humans is not the way!

Suitable-Activity-27 2025-07-01 02:32

Ngl, reading this just feels like Tesla is working on a technology that if they ever perfected it. (lol) it would suck the fun out of driving.

morbiiq 2025-07-01 03:11

Yep. It may come that end-to-end NN will work some day, but for now IMO the correct way to handle this is to use AI for sub-tasks. Not end-to-end.

bikesnotbombs 2025-07-01 03:24

I don't have it, but have been watching. As a lifelong software dude my gut says that they are rushing to fix things cuz pressure and it's breaking other things

jason12745 2025-07-01 03:47

You can’t black box stuff in a safety critical system. Elons biggest achievement was dumbing stuff down to the point the average person believed they knew enough to have an opinion.

morbiiq 2025-07-01 03:47

Yep.

cybertruckboat 2025-07-01 04:28

I don't even use autopilot anymore. It's horrible. Maybe in stop-and-go traffic. That's still pretty nice.

Moceannl 2025-07-01 04:57

They have so much data, at least that’s what they claim. If they can’t train their FSD or Autopilot on that, it means the system is just not capable and never will be.

Diogenes256 2025-07-01 07:30

Maybe at some point additional data doesn’t make it better…maybe it gets worse.

Puzzleheaded_Day_895 2025-07-01 08:50

You own and bought a Tesla. An inferior product with no AR HUD and drivers display from a gross CEO. If FSD is getting worse then you'll have to deal with it.

Engunnear 2025-07-01 10:05

You know how fElon keeps spouting bullshit about rewriting code to reduce latency in the system?  That increased processor bandwidth has to came from somewhere.

Engunnear 2025-07-01 10:06

Hey, you stole my bit!

Bannedwith1milKarma 2025-07-01 20:29

It would make sense that Tesla wouldn't 'fork' it's software for the Taxis. That's actually an announced policy to share the same platform. Stands to reason as they're trying to be ready for self driving tests from regulators, that it will impact the software in your car as well.

LeftClawNorth 2025-07-02 16:17

Fuck off

I-Pacer 2025-07-04 12:16

Apparently it works really well crossing the border into Poland though.

Imper1um 2025-07-04 17:36

I don't use Auto-whatever. I only trust it for the lane keep mode which is dead simple and it doesn't really have much to think about.

ry1701 2025-07-05 15:23

Can't believe you'd even drive this death trap with all the reports of issues with fsd and autopilot.

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