The emergency stop is on a touchscreen...
Not the first. Not even the second. We’ve got people compiling master lists of interventions already and it’s only been a couple days.
What a shitshow. This is unfit for the road. This would have been an accident without the guy in the car.
I really hope someone tries to keep track of all that bullshit
Exactly why humans can learn how to drive in 30 hours and FSD can’t after a million hours of training data: see/predict human behaviour.
Yeah, props to the employee for being quick enough to hit the emergency button.
This is not a safe product. Its sensor data is woefully insufficient.
Yeah that mf had ninja reflexes, otherwise it would have crashed
Do remember that the data is from Tesla drivers. Model can’t ever be better than its training set.
Tesla touchscreens do occasionally shut off while driving, easily Googled. I'm sure there is another way of emergency stopping the Robotaxi if this happens, one would hope.
It’s this true? Makes me think of the Swiss cheese analogy where each slice has holes that go through it but the stack does not have any holes that go through it. If 100 drivers each made 1 unique mistake, the average mistake level of all the drivers is 1 mistake. But for every mistake the system will keep the 99 noon mistake examples and discard the 1. The result being a 0 mistake system. By that logic it would be possible that a system performs better than its training data.
What you are referring to is the process of curating training data, which is an enormous task. And ironically Tesla fans boasts of millions of hours of training data will be a significant problem. Companies which have a better quality data source, such as vetted professional drivers, will have much easier time in producing a high quality training set.
Training data just misses a lot of awareness/environment a human uses. This car stops (training data): ... This car stops (human): This is a strange spot; oh I remember yesterday i saw a car here too. It's spring. There's a well 1 block away. Can be ducklings.
Apparently the backup method is to open the door. That shuts off FSD. I wish I was joking.
Tesla should, and probably does. Doubtful they'll be open about it. Fortunately others are compiling lists on the Internet.
Whoever does keeping track of their fuckups, many thanks for your service!! Much appreciated!
If only we had some other kind of sensor technology beyond cameras. Idk, probably stupid, but maybe something that could measure light or radio or sound waves?
It’s only a matter of time.
"Do remember that the data is from Tesla drivers." Hahahahaha, here they are notorious for being the biggest assholes on the road. Fitting.
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How did the system not detect the van stopped and then reversing? It seemed completely oblivious.
My wizard has a contraption made of bright, thin beams of light and mirrors. He says it can change lead to gold and help cars drive autonomously.
FSD is not using stereo cameras, so it’s distance estimation is notoriously error prone. No radar, lidar or true stereoscopic vision.
Not just cybertrucks. For example, the crash in Toronto that burned four out of five passengers to death because of being locked in was a model Y.
Thats true, but in Tesla's case; they are using camera only. So they are using fondue resulting in holes that open up in unpredictable ways.
That's because Elon Musk painted himself into a corner with his design. I take pity on the people don't have to die to prove that this was a bad idea. Elon's always been kind of okay with collateral damage so good luck Austin.
I’ve got an idea. What if that guy just drives?
You might be up to something here. I like your creative thinking!!
Maybe i hate UPS more than i hate teslta, and i hate tesla VERY MUCH
It's not just that. There are parts of the brain that have evolved over time periods longer than we've been mammals, let alone humans. Some smaller reptiles that didn't get out of the way, when bigger reptiles started backing up towards them, got squashed before they could reproduce; obviously the genes we inherited come from those that did. The amygdala is estimated to have evolved over a period of approximately 200 million years and gives us our fight or flight reflex. A fly darts towards you, swat it out of the way. A bull is charging at you? Run! Even if otherwise not paying attention, if a human's peripheral vision detects a large object moving towards it, the amygdala kicks in and makes sure the human gets out of the way! So, one day, a car might be able to learn to drive like humans do, but, absent some very clever hardcoded aspects, it'll take millions of years to get there by chance. The analogy of how long it would take monkeys with typewriters to produce the complete works of Shakespeare might be helpful here. In short, Musk talks about cameras and a neural network being enough because that's how humans do it. We do, but it has literally taken us several billion of years to evolve the wetware our neural networks depend on, and however clever Musk and his team of permanently grinning over-confidant sycophants are, they cannot compete with that.
Wait, it doesn’t use stereo cameras? How does it determine distance at all?
Tesla has a single camera per direction and focus. https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1452/tesla-guide-number-of-cameras-their-locations-uses-and-how-to-view-them And then they compute distance algorithmically from cameras that face same direction. So not as good as true stereo vision.
We could provide him with an App that allow him to take on customers that are near his path. Could call that ~~Deutschland~~ uber ~~alles~~
You’d better act upon your drive-people-around-for-money business idea before someone else steals it.
That’s a separate question but I would think this conclusion also likely isn’t quite accurate as the entire thing with machine learning is that can train and iterate it much faster than biological evolution. Got instance you can train an ai to play a simple game in a free hours or days just with a brute force engine and proper rewards system. At the very least each generation of ai doesn’t live nearly as long as biological animals and the selective pressure can be very refined and specific.
Watch his body, he knew right when he saw what the ups truck was doing the Tesla was going to try and do something stupid, they must have trained them on common failure positions or something cuz he stopped the moment the car started to turn into that spot, still too late, but he was on camera so if he stopped it early there would be a lot of speculation as to why he stopped it for no reason.
Only driver I've had run a stop sign turning left and get brake checked by the safety system while I'm on the main road and proceed to tailgate and honk at me like that was my fault for not stopping for them to blow a stop sign... I was happy the autopilot had the auto brake on lock that day that would've fucking hurt.
Didn't they beg/sue Austin to not release their results?
They asked the NHTSA to keep their info about the robotaxi service confidential when they sent them a list of questions to answer by mid-June.
There is nothing "robo" about a human having to intervene to stop a "self driving car." This is the most egregious case of false advertising after Thr Never Ending Story.
It is not worth dying for. You couldn't get me in one of these cars. I take a lift.
Well it sounds like the NHTSA has a few MORE questions for them now. . . I don’t think elmo was able to completely gut that agency.
They could probably pay him less if he drove than they’re paying him for his current position.
If Musk wasn't allergic to LIDAR, for inexplicable excuses, maybe he wouldn't sneeze out so much BS and actually had a real genuine successful Robotaxi launch.
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