FSD works best in sunlight\* \*do not use in sunlight
How long until this project gets the plug pulled because fElon has concerns over "safety?"
They could do a 2 for 1 and kill off the cyberturd too.
“This is why it’s in beta” Then get it off the roads the rest of are on.
Imagine having the job of the loser suppose to check the monster from the passenger seat.
Until the body count start piling up, unfortunately
Ahh yes, the bane of FSD: sun glare Ahh yes, the bane of FSD: a light fog Ahh yes, the bane of FSD: night time Ahh yes, the bane of FSD: snow Ahh yes, the bane of FSD: weird construction markers Ahh yes, the bane of FSD: not highways
I am forbidden to comment in here as the other Tesla subs ban me. I wish I could comment as I have owned three Teslas since 2017. Gestapo (shit) I'm in trouble 😵💫😵💫😵💫
Interesting, I see this comment.
i was more worried about the - fail to turn, drive in wrong lane video eventually move to right lane and try again
He is now banned from the other tesla subs.
You forgot the high beams of the car in the opposite lane. And The low beams of the car in the opposite lane.
Tesla products have more, stipulations, conditions, label warnings than Happy Fun Ball
Elon gonna die on that LiDAR hill
Just wait until the weather is less than ideal... I've said it once, and I'll say it a thousand times... FSD cannot be achieved with cameras alone. Might work in perfect weather, but when you have rain, fog, snow, or any combination of bad weather, robotaxi will start getting into serious fatal accidents.
you forgot "also the car with its lights off"
No way does Elon care about other people's safety.
It will be other people who die.
Specifically, [Tesla says](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2020_2024_modely/en_cn/GUID-E5FF5E84-6AAC-43E6-B7ED-EC1E9AEB17B7.html): ⚠**WARNING** Traffic-Aware Cruise Control is particularly unlikely to operate as intended in the following types of situations: * The road has sharp curves or significant changes in elevation. * Road signs and signals are unclear, ambiguous, or poorly maintained. * Visibility is poor (due to heavy rain, snow, hail, etc. or **poorly lit roadways at night**) * You are driving in a tunnel or next to a highway divider that interferes with the view of the camera(s) * Bright light (such as from oncoming headlights or **direct sunlight**) interferes with the view of the camera(s).
They’ll stack em deep
Please, Elon doesn't care about the safety of peasants. It'll get pulled when something happens that causes the stock to go into decline for more than three days in a row or until he concocts an even better scheme to pump the stock and doesn't need the show.
DO NOT TAUNT HAPPY FUN TESLER!!!
They simply forgot to turn on the setting for direct photon counting when seeing glare. Edge case. Will be fixed in 2 weeks
Its a good thing apparently you can't get one when it's raining, i do wonder what happens if you are riding on one and it starts raining like crazy, i guess they won't be in south Florida for a while
Add: roads
Tesla is seeing the end of the road.
Anyone else thinking of getting into Waymo IPO?
>Tesla is seeing (what it *thinks* is) the end of the road and jamming on the brakes.
Will someone think of the school busses and kids who deliberately try to make Tesler look ~bad~~ even worse.
Pay me $50,000, and give me a Tesla. I'll take the cash, and scrap the car, undriven.
Sorry fanbois but how could NHTSA ever authorize Level 4 or 5 for something so dangerous on our highways? Every American will be at risk, not just the people buying or renting out their Teslas. Waymo has 3 different sensors maintaining safety and Tesla has 1 (ONE)! FSD should be not licensed ever.
Or North Florida or any of the other 49 States!
Tesla will ultimately go bankrupt. The question is will it be from his Nazi sympathizing OR his inability to admit he was DEAD wrong about needing lidar for FSD?
Thats a sacrifice he is willing to make, what a kind hearted guy!
I have a bad feeling that Tesla is going to seriously injure someone or worse and screw up self-driving cars for everyone.
They need to take better care of our Influencers!!! Not a scratch on his/her beautiful face Muskerz!
I can't think of anything more dangerous than abruptly transferring control to the driver in a narrow tunnel.
Line must go up
Imagine risking your life going on one of these for your social media content farm
*do not taunt Happy Fun Ball
yep, i'm wfh and ordering groceries on favor until the threat is neutralized
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September. Theres a law coming into effect in TX that says all self driving need to be level 4 certified. So that'll kill it then he'll blame the state for slowing his progress.
So basically no robotaxis will be allowed to pick up people from the hospital. Imagine having recent surgery, you get released, then the car throws you around like a rag doll for no reason. Your stitches all get ripped open and you call the Tesler guy for help and he says "Umm, I'll have the car pull over and let you out. Thank you for choosing Tesler robotaxis."
There's a whole lot going wrong in Elon's orbit, yet Telsa stock keeps recovering. I'm just watching from the sidelines... at a safe distance from the "FSD" Teslas.
This morning - while 85F outside. Our M3P couldn’t see due to mild condensation on windshield. Does same thing most mornings for first couple miles.
So in university we had a course where we had to program a battery powered remote control toy car to drive itself. Granted, it just needed to avoid obstacles and drive down a magnetic strip but it took DAYS to program (actually most of the class was on hardware not software…) We used lidar. We didn’t have any issues. They have had YEARS. Now I know that there is a huge gap between a tesla and a remote toy car, but people were able to program the entire thing in just a few class periods on simple cheap technology.
Some people do report sun-related issues with FSD, but it's worth noting that Traffic-Aware Cruise Control is a completely separate system. It runs on an older software stack that hasn't seen updates in ages and also doesn't function in conditions where FSD does, like heavy rain or snow. IMO they shouldn't be locking safety improvements behind an FSD paywall.
“It’s bug testing!” On public roads?! Stop pushing Dev branches to Prod environments, for fuck sake!
School buses, children, pedestrians not in a crosswalk, and pedestrians in a crosswalk.
…and the opposite lane itself
It’s been three hours. I hope he turns up alive and well.
Different software, but this video suggests that the latest hardware and best software has the same difficulty estimating whether there's no obstacle in front of the car in certain direct sunlight conditions.
Of course that’s what it is.
Do not get wet, do not charge after midnight. No wait, it’s the cybertruck that can’t get wet.
Well said, in the eyes of an I.T. Greybeard.
Just field a right hand drive car, and it will appear to be self-driving.
His defense of it is laughable and a total contradiction, paraphrasing: "we use a super advanced neural network instead" "there's no way to handle conflicting data between camera and lidar" Bro, what good is a neural network that doesn't thrive on more data from better sensors, lmao. Just admit you wanted higher margins.
Add a vehicle parallel parking in front of it
Americans are dumb enough for that to work haha
They’ll keep hyping it until they can quietly ramp it down to a human-driven uber-like service, and continue saying that it will be ready for FSD any day now for another decade. They’ll time it to transitioning the hype to a limited ‘release’ of remote-operated Optimus prime, available only to shareholding influencers.
When Tesla gave me the FSD beta, I literally could not use it on my drive home because the sun would blind the front camera for the entire drive. It defeated the entire purpose of having FSD. Needless to say, I did not buy FSD when the trial expired.
Being banned from the other Tesla subs is a badge of honor, TBH
Risking the life of every driver in Austin who didn’t sign up to participate in the beta test too.
It's a real experience, but I haven't run into it just yet. Might be due to the HW4 cameras and not yet having the common windshield haze issue? However, I was just pointing out that the particular language cited refers to a different feature.
I sure as hell wouldn't be hopping in one of those without a seatbelt on. Well I wouldn't even with one. But it still amazes me to see someone not wearing one in this day and age, I'd think the safety data on those is pretty damn conclusive.
It's extraordinary that Tesla stock hasn't collapsed yet, given the failure of fsd, taxi and sales.
I have 2 BEVs and I am banned from all Tesla subs AND the electricvehicle sub. lol
Remove your windshield. Simple fix :-)
Too many big players have too much money invested there. It's a meme coin for several years at this point.
> Now I know that there is a huge gap between a tesla and a remote toy car, but people were able to program the entire thing in just a few class periods on simple cheap technology. The problem Tesla is having is that they insisted on doing it the cheapest way with vision only and machine learning. So the gap isn't a gap in scale/complexity, they literally don't program it. Which means they can't really fix problems and edge cases like this. The best they can do is retrain and adjust weights and hope it solves this particular problem, but it might create new problems somewhere else.
That's the neat part. Elon doesn't care about safety.
Horrible gamble on vis only that doesn’t even make logical sense to non-engineers. Years and years of potential lead absolutely squandered.
It doesn’t sound like it really works anywhere any time?
While his net worth grows billions daily. That's a sacrifice he is willing to make.
It works fine anytime it's not day or night! 😂 Seriously though, I think the sunlight issue is mainly when the sun is at a low angle just above the horizon, in front of the vehicle, or bright headlights are pointing right at the cameras at night. Humans have the same basic problem with our eyes in both conditions. It's a situation that raises the well-worn debate over whether lidar or some other type of sensor should be used for redundancy with the camera. Tesla has made strides in improving image processing facing direct sunlight, but if sunlight caused the OP problem, the system doesn't seem sufficiently safe and reliable in environments where other drivers might not brake fast enough to avoid hitting phantom-braking Teslas. Maybe it would be adequate in an environment with all driverless cars, or in a country where drivers tend to allow greater space for braking, but not in the US where humans are still allowed to drive.
I can't see Tesla ever getting it to work safely. Not only is Tesla's hardware inadequate, but they don't have the software talent. Which has been exiting in droves and was dubious even to begin with.
You’d think random bard braking would make her re-evaluate her decision to not wear a seatbelt…
That's why Autopilot and FSD are still level 2 that require constant supervision/hands on the wheel. My EV6's "hands on wheel" monitor is annoying - it operates by detecting torque, so if you agree with what the car is doing and have your hands on the wheel but not applying any correctional torque, it bitches at you to keep your hands on the wheel. It even bitches when ADAS isn't enabled and you're driving straight...
I use fsd daily and it's far from being ready for "robotaxis". There are many weaknesses in the system. Rain, snow, sunshine, dark roads can cause it to work improperly or not at all. I'd never get into one of these.
>You forgot the high beams of the car in the opposite lane. >And >The low beams of the car in the opposite lane. Clearly the obnoxiously bright LED headlights Honda is using nowadays are just a part of a plot by legacy automakers to prevent Tesla from bringing us into the future.
Wow thanks for the insight! I always wondered why it was taking them so long. Is tesla the only one that does it loke this?
Just count photons dude.
Works fine during daytime on straight roads when it’s slightly overcast, just make sure you don’t need to go anywhere in any other situation, duh!
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Ah, but you forget that radar can bounce off the Sun (with a trip time of over 16 minutes). That's why camera-only navigation is the future! ^^^/s
One of the many reasons to equip self driving vehicles with lidar, which Tesla used to do, but, found it too costly. Tesla was caught having the FSD disengage before impact and claiming driver error. Who do they blame with robo taxi? “The passenger chose a route which had sun glare which they agreed in the terms and conditions would make them liable for any and all damage the robo taxi causes.”
And if it crashes when that happens it is technically drivers fault..
That is going to be an interesting court case in the future. Usually if you hit someone in the back its your fault for following to close or not paying attention. If the robotaxi has a documented flaw of slamming on the brakes for no reason I can see it being the Robotaxis fault.
Well they already have tons of americans on the road it might not be such a huge difference
Is that OTA?
They'll just stick with keeping human intervention in the loop all the time. So fake robo taxis.
It also doesn’t work in fog, rain, snow and just about any other sub-optimal conditions. That’s why it was so incredibly stupid of Elon to get rid of the ultra-sonic sensors and rely on ordinary video cameras. As soon as he announced that a few years ago I knew their autonomous project would never get off the ground. This is one of four fatal mistakes Elon had made that have doomed Tesla: the others are not building a sub $30k car, getting in bed with Nazis, and not updating the vehicles’ design language since 2012. All Teslas (except the Cyberdumpster) look like used Mazdas from 2014. They are SO dated compared to the competition. He’s basically given up on the car business and has bet the entire company on autonomy, which he made sure will never succeed because of his idiotic camera-only decision. It baffles me how investors can’t see these huge missteps, and don’t realize that Tesla is basically a dead company, somehow still limping along, but not for much longer. Even if he suddenly reversed all these terrible mistakes, it’s too late. My prediction is that Tesla stock will be under $100 within 18 months, and they will file bankruptcy within 5 years. Firing Elon might prolong things, but nothing will save this sinking ship. Good riddance.
He was probably in a coke induced mania when he decided to get rid of all sensors besides plain old video cameras, and now he’s too stubborn (stupid) to admit he was very, very WRONG. Of course anyone with a brain knew he was wrong the day he announced his vision only fantasy.
Exactly! Regular Ubers only need one human operator. Tesla Cybercabs need one in the passenger seat, and a big team of engineers remotely monitoring and intervening - so Elon’s version of autonomous driving has MORE humans involved in operating the vehicles than ever before! How can investors and financial analysts be so fooled by this clown? They soon will see the truth, however, because this joke of a “launch” is good for one thing: exposing how inferior Tesla’s technology is. The stock will be under $100 in 18 months or less.
I don’t know about 3 days in a row, but the stock is down 34% from its high just 6 months ago… and it’s about to go a LOT lower. Q2 delivery figures on Wednesday will be even more dismal than the worst predictions, this joke of a robo-taxi “launch” (stunt) will continue to reveal how pitiful their self-driving tech is and they will be forced to cancel it, and they are soon to lose billions in government subsidies thanks to the right wing morons (especially Trump) that Elon spent hundreds of millions to install in office. Whatever talent he may have had at business is long gone. Tesla’s only hope for survival is to fire Elon and get a competent, sane, sober, non-Nazi CEO.
What I don’t get is why investors and analysts assume there will be such massive demand for robo-taxis. They regularly talk about TRILLIONS of dollars in potential revenue… meanwhile Uber and Lyft combined only did $50 billion globally last year. So even if Tesla took every penny of their revenue, that’s still 95% short of a trillion. Maybe Robo-taxis will double or triple the market (I doubt it) - that’s still nowhere close to a trillion dollars. People like owning and driving their own cars. That won’t change. Has anyone bothered to study the potential market for Robo-taxis? If so I sure haven’t seen it. Every analyst has just decided it’s going to be TRILLIONS… based on nothing but a wish and a dream. So never mind that Tesla’s tech is shit - even if it worked perfectly, there simply isn’t enough of a potential market to justify the insane stock price. It will be under $100 in 18 months or less - mark my words.
LMAO. You don't understand shit. It's down 34%... But you're not paying attention to where it still is. Toyota sold over 11 million cars globally last year and Wall Street says it's worth $271 billion. Tesla sold 1.8 million cars last year with sales and profit declines that make it's fundamentals about as bad as fucking Stellantis and yet Wall Street says it's worth $1 trillion (TODAY, after your 34% decline). If fundamentals mattered it would be trading closer to $30 than over $300. And that's the stock's real problem. Tesla is a meme stock and Elon's BS is literally the only thing holding it there. Fire him and investors might start valuing it on fundamentals and the company collapses like a house of cards. That's why people joke, "Oh look, bad news for Tesla I bet the stock goes up 5% on that."
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