Tesla's robotaxi will only be available to "company employees or invited guests." Probably geofenced to one block lol
This is so embarrassing, yet the stock is up.
Small number of vehicles in a small area but Elon will announce it was a great success and the stock will immediately go up $50.
Market's closed today dingus
Better to risk injury and/or possibly death than to admit you company and technology suck anus
Stock'll still go up tomorrow. Its absolutely disconnected from reality.
But it will go up. Nothing drives Tesla stock up quite like catastrophic Tesla news.
… a long ways into the future, on private roads where camera cannot film.
It generally would for a public company that has slightly positive news related to them Why do you think the adage "buy the rumour, sell the news" exists?
10 cars being driven remotely by 10 human drivers
I worked for Waymo (formerly Google Self Driving Cars) in Austin. This is exactly how we did things in 2015-2016. Tesla is a full decade behind and they don't even use Lidar so they're far less accurate. The Robotaxis are doomed.
specifically a car park lined with padding away outside of town where it can't kill people
The ten cars are suspiciously located in a "very specific area" close to where the remote drivers are stationed.
He's not riding in them.
They're currently worse than today's Waymo? I'm always seeing videos of Waymo cars getting stuck, trashed, etc.
What "Positive" News does Felon Musk have at all, about anything, aside from his complete bullshit?
Good point. He will be safe as a teleoperator
Pretty smart, that way if they get stuck the 'remote driver' can just run out and get it unstuck. Brilliant really.
Aka testing.
Restricted to the "jazz hands" zone.
The driver is actually in the trunk.
Wasn't supposed to be 20th? When was it pushed back again?
>I'm always seeing videos of Waymo cars getting trashed And that's Google. How do you see that going for the company of the guy that is extremely rabidly hated by a decent portion of the population? Tesla could sport the cheapest, most reliable and all around best self driving taxis in the universe and they'd get absolutely destroyed by people who hate Elon. That's also one of the reasons I simply can't see the "let your car earn you revenue while you work!" thing ever working, cause who the fuck wants their car to come back home every single day covered in graffiti and feces.
Pretty typical of a Musk operation: hype & overpromise. Then deliver risky, less features than advertised & now, restricted to employees & a limited operating area. Yeah, this is really making $TSLA worth $322.
What if he announces all the cybertrucks sitting in parking lots waiting to get sold will immediately become cyber taxis 😶
"Its baked in"
There's a service that's anticipating release. Is the scale underwhelming? Yes. Do I think it could blow up in Tesla's face? Absolutely. But if you look at this from an investor standpoint, this is a step in the direction of certainty in a delta increase over what Tesla offers today. Investors will respond positively - when the market opens. I get and agree with the Elon hate. And believe Tesla's unbelievably overvalued. But the way some of you act around this stuff is legitimately embarrassing. Tesla's price will crash one day, but it's not going to be on the back of news stories progressively confirming that this taxi service launch is happening
Cyber death traps and humiliation.
No, they're worse than Waymo 10 years ago
A "launch" that has only 10 cars, limited to employees in a very limited area, avoiding tricky intersections, can in no way fairly be referred to as a "launch". It's internal company testing months or years BEFORE any possible paunch.
he will be safe in his k-hole
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Don't worry guys. By the end of this year... something something. Stock moons!!!
Any other ipo would have stock drop immensely due to the writing between the lines here. Just so funny.
My guess they only have 10 people trained to drive them remotely and make weird awkward elon-style conversaion as a AI
FSD! Fully Supported Driving
Stock will hit 500. Fanboys will dance naked on the streets of Austin led by Elmo himself.
Heck, WayMo has more than that in Boston...and they are not even IN Boston (that is, they are not scheduled to be here)..... Think about that! The "leader" in the field is...sometime in the future...going to do something more limited than what WayMo does in places where it's not even mentioning it's doing it! That shows you the PT Barnum aspect of Tesla.
Some super genius said that if you have to geofence it’s not really autonomous. I’m sure that super genius is going to blast this as fake.
100% this. uBer was driving about Pittsburgh in 2017/2017 with more cars than this and a wider (and harder) area. Let's be fair, tho. They are probably only 9 years behind IF they admitted NOW that they did everything wrong and started doing it right.
That you even name it a taxi launch shows how well the PT Barnum thing works. WayMo and other companies have much larger and better fleets in cities they haven't even announced....and have no intention of announcing for a year or more. Yet 10 or 20 Teslas in a square mile with drivers is "a thing"? No, it's not a thing. I'd be deeply embarrassed if I worked for that company and was involved in this fake job.
It's a step in the right direction because after YEARS, it's more than a render or a stunt on a film set... Not because it's truly any more close to a reality, much less actually being profitable.
They’re working on that latest revision to Robo_update_12.0_final_Final_FINAL
Wait, the 10 day delay was bc they were being 'paranoid about safety'. What could they really accomplish in 10 days?
And away from any school bus routes
So it’ll go from one side of the Tesla building to the other to save Elon a walk?
Yea right. The remote drivers are in India.
You're assuming an unwarranted level of technical sophistication on Elon's part.
If it runs over a brown person then it's a feature not a bug
How are videos of Waymos getting trashed evidence of them being bad? Lots of Teslas are being vandalized, does that mean FSD sucks? I mean, it does, but the vandalism has nothing to say about it.
Thanks for the f-shack. Love, dirty Mike and the boys.
the parking lot?
Hobotaxi
It's the Indians who are handling the technical part. Too bad for Elon they didn't ask his permission first. *Tesla is rolling back its debut after multiple robotoxis unexpectedly drove out of the city. When the vehicles were recovered, the batteries had been removed. Elon Musk is doing massive doses of ketamine today while he yells at his team to figure out how the hell this happened.* 🤪
So a market cap currently built on $100billion per car?
I only take taxis that have an exoskeleton (Supervised).
In pre-routed areas that have been heavily run through using their pace cars.
Curled up in the fetal position in the tiny front trunk.
You're wrong! . . . . . . They're in the frunk.
Elon claims credit for inventing 'little people' to act as tiny chauffeurs. Tesla stock surges.
from india… AI
Maybe they’ve only got 10 trained guys driving the cars with joysticks back in the office.
Specific area really means the Death Valley salt flats.
Teslas will NEVER be as good as Waymos unless they start using Lidar. But Elon refuses to use the tech because he doesn't like how it looks.
Elon will introduce his newest son A1rb4g shortly before putting him in one of those chest carriers and taking his inaugural ride.
the obsession with the name cyber is so 2002. There is nothing cyber about that piece of metal.
No sitting in the shopping centre carpark are used for energy trading and grid frequency control..
Nah all of them are going to be bought by the military for the Iran war. I joke but I just saw an article on this administration bringing back asbestos. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the cybertruck becomes a military vehicle.
did you work in development? if so, do you think that teslas "as good" will actually resemble some kind of viable product sans LIDAR?
Waymo has gone over a million miles with only two accidents that were the fault of Waymo. And they only resulted in minor injuries. Tesla FSD reverts critical control to a human driver on average once every 380 miles. How often do you think you would see Tesla stuck or crashed if there were no driver to take over rapidly? Considering it needs a human on average every 380 miles.
12th and then announced for the 22nd. Now some Texas politicians are asking to delay the launch so they can apply regulations that are going active in November. Which would just so happen to delay the launch again completely for reasons outside of Tesla’s control.
Looks had near zero to do with it. They mentioned early on that with Lidar, they were getting too many false positives. Effectively the car was being too cautious and thus the experience was not good. With video alone they could get something to market faster but they are doing so at the loss of being safer. And now we are seeing that they are hitting the wall on development of visual only.
It won't. Tesla stock has been sideway entirely since 2021. Just ups and downs but in total, no one has made money except board members and Musk with compensation packages. And they sell them pretty quick.
Also Tesla: Now hiring remote vehicle operators. Must be able to work all hours without questions for low wages. Must be able to work with extremely limited techs and supports. No experience necessary. Being hardcore required.
It's amazing Musk didn't insist on calling the Optimus robots 'Cybermen'
Stay off the sidewalks too. Ugh
A1rb4g omg 😂😂
Waymos have self driven over 55 million miles, last I checked.
Pure succulent vaporware. The purest hopium we’ve ever seen.
Testing. And no, at least not with today's tech. They would need some other hardware which doesn't exist yet, or a software breakthrough. Until then they will continue to make too many mistakes to be trusted.
Doctor Who beat him to that one.
Don't forget its "invite only" too, whatever the hell that means.
I don't condone violence or vandalism, but I bet a lot of these taxis are going to get torched right out of the gate.
Ya Waymo may be a factor better from that stat now.
Like in that James Bond movie.
They had a delivery event for the Semi *three years ago*. Words like delivery, launch, production, ethics have no meaning in the Teslasphere.
Could give a crap about Elon
It is crazy that this is the known setup for the Tesla robotaxi launch and the stock hasn't tanked already. It isn't even the grand opening to the general public, they aren't using the robotaxis, it's geofenced to a specific area of one city, there is only 10 cars, etc. Let me guess next year is when Tesla will really be cooking
Mad Max Fury Road
the whole point of "Fully Self Driving" was that it didn't have to be geofenced or require high res mapping in order to work reliably. or so we've been told repeatedly by a very stable genius who's 100% not taking drugs
Trump should force Musk to hire Barron because he is "very good with the cyber"
One big thing I haven't seen talked about enough is that Tesla pursuing this kind of rollout is literally undermining the false narrative that Musk has been pushing for years that their system is both somehow 'more scalable' than Waymos and also that there's going to be that moment when they just flip a switch and suddenly have a robotaxi network functioning everywhere, or at least across the United States. If Tesla's system is supposedly so much more scalable why isn't the initial roll out happening in several cities with a substantially higher number of cars? Isn't this all just fine tuning and testing anyways? Isn't more 'real world' data useful? Isn't this all about iteration where you want bigger faster steps? Isn't there's a very strong financial incentive to demonstrate the scalability claim first hand, if it can indeed be demonstrated at all? I think the answers are obvious to anyone who applies a bit of skepticism and critical thinking to it. There's never been much meat the scalability argument to begin and the whole thing was premised on super expensive HD map costs for small buyers like universities years ago to begin with and not something that would apply to large companies with their own fleets that could literally map out major metro areas in a few days. Tesla's FSD system also likely isn't all that scalable and a lot of the more recent progress has come from exploiting HW4 hardware and dramatically higher parameter counts in order to overstate performance and improve it in specific high visibility scenarios, but for some reason Tesla bulls can accept that as possible with map annotations but not get that Tesla is doing the exact same thing with the curation of its own data set. So the argument kind of becomes well why would Tesla publicize such a lack luster roll out so heavily to begin with? Well because that itself the goal. This isn't being done as some technology showcase or in preparation of a nationwide launch, but instead being done simply to keep the hype going and buoy Tesla's massively overinflated stock price as it's legacy business of actually building and selling vehicles continues to falter and shrink in real terms. People use to compare Tesla to the next Apple, but Tesla's product development is literally the antithesis of Apple's big successes. Tesla will spend years hyping up a product that ultimately underperforms on the promises while Apple would just do an event and let you know that they have a cool new product that will shipping in a few weeks and demonstrate what it can do today. What we're seeing now is really the peak Musk pivot. Hype your product and service, project extreme growth and profitability that necessitates some really odd design decisions like landing a rocket upright on some platform in an ocean where the only benefit is quicker turn around. Discover the launch market is actually not that big even though you're undercutting the incumbents by 50% and burning capital to do so. Decide you're going to develop some new internal moonshot project to fill in all the launch capacity you have now like Starlink. Publicize how you're now launching the bulk of payloads into space when a lot of it as your junk anyways. Robotaxi is the same thing for Tesla. It's an excuse that selling cars won't matter anymore and that the company is better off buying its own cars. Why? Because the promise of selling 20M vehicles at 20%+ operating margins has been falling apart for years and they need a new high profit growth narrative. Musk has finally realized that mass market manufacturing is incredibly capital intensive and has limited potential for profit margins when compared to high margin software services and is trying desperately to pivot half of his companies into that space after his initial projections and promises faltered. Twitter was a dumpster fire and huge money suck so he attached it to his overhyped AI startup just to muddy the waters and more importantly the financials. Same goes for Tesla, he needs some explanation for why the company losing profitability and potentially starting to burn cash again is worth it and not a sign of the company actually being in decline at this point. Cherry on top is that his super fans will still claim to this day that Musk "doesn't really care about money" and this is all about getting to Mars or Musk's misinformation about how FSD is 'saving lives'. In reality this all about satiating Musk's own ego by keeping him at the top of every net worth list out there and feeding the crazy ass messiah complex he has where every single action he does is somehow savings the world, humanity, free speech, the US government's solvency or whatever other imagined problem he gets obsessed with after reading about in his Twitter feed next.
Yeah I think it was tomorrow never dies that had the guy in the trunk of the bmw 7 series
Pathetic.
Fullly Supervised Desi
Intern crumple zone
The first military vehicle that can be defeated by a car wash.
I don’t exactly condone, but I’m not going to feel sad about it at all.
SpaceX has actually revolutionized cargo delivery to space. Starlink is something no one ever did before, and has many important use cases, including warfare. Dragon is a well designed and safe manned LEO vehicle. SpaceX is not pure hype like what Tesla has become. (As for Twitter, it's just garbage to feed Elon's narcissism.)
I think they should have to pick 10 random cars from their unsold fleets across america. All cars are capable, right?
Or Optimuses who are remote controlled by humans
Bit blunt, but 100% accurate. God I cannot wait until that man leaves this earth. Considering how things are going with his health and drug use its probably relatively soon... but who knows.
Elon promises to run, the baby barely even crawls.
How come Elmo says autonomous when each car has a person shadowing it and second guessing the algo?
Still scary af knowing they are going to be any road at all
They aren’t goin east of 35 and south of the river. And the Elon Phan Bois wouldn’t go there anyway.
Saw a Waymo at Mopac & Slaughter last month. It was actuall kind of cool. Must have been on a pickup run because it was empty.
> Starlink is something no one ever did before That's completely false. Starlink's first satellite was in 2019. Viasat's was in 2011. Starlink just won more military contracts and had much more money and resources behind it. And there are quite a few other companies that tried to accomplish what Starlink did before Starlink was even a thing. The difference wasn't magical innovation. It was funding
How is this even a delivery if it's only allowing tesla employees. That's not a launch at all
Exactly as predicted. It's just another fake product like Optimus.
Stock going up in 3… 2…
It is more pathetic then I thought it would be. I mean I thought they would have had 10 cars already operating in some large closed off locations for years.
Great summary, thank you! I’m saving this.
>SpaceX has actually revolutionized cargo delivery to space. It launches rockets like we've been doing for 70 years. Landing boosters is essentially a meaningless stunt. Starlink is garbage and will fail (Less than 5 percent of internet customers lack a cheaper faster alternative).
The stock actually has done horrible for years. It has been pretty much completly sideways since 2021. This going up is not sustained. There have been highs and lows. The same number of people that sold and made money is offset but the people that have bought and lost money. It is actually worse because Tesla has been compensating directors for years with stock options and they have been selling them heavily. Basically investors have been paying their wages directly.
I trust more an Indian person than an LLM shoehorned to do stuff it wasn’t meant to do. The Indian can reason, the LLM can’t and will not reason ever.
HyperTruck?
Are you being serious? LEO vs. GSO constellations. Completely different, latency and bandwidth is everything. Actually it wasn't magic or endless funding, it was technological advancement in launch capabilities from SpaceX allowing increased upmass and access to multiple LEO orbital inclinations and shells. No one had ever put up anything like Starlink before SpaceX did it. Viasat has 4 main sats in GSO, Starlink has 7,800 spread across LEO. Only ~16,000 satellites have EVER been launched to orbit. Tesla is all hype but please leave SpaceX off this list.
Definitely the industry benchmark - this will scale …
I hope they dont share Starship rockets fate.
Maybe FSD always was the victims in our trunks
He would sue and settle out of court to be retroactively named as one of the creators
100 Indians in a trenchcoat driving those cars.
Actual Indians
Eh, SpaceX has managed to bring down the cost of space launch. It's now merely extremely expensive instead of insanely expensive.
I bet there will be at least 100 other Tesla cars out continuously remapping the service area in case something changes and confuses the robotaxis.
Great succes new yearly high
Well at the moment, nothing compares to Tesla for getting close to self-driving. Of course, this is due to their advantage in data volume and experience over time, but this is not changing any time soon. Waymo is an exception, but that doesn't impact cars you can own. I agree about SpaceX and Starlink. Elon the man is not the same as the companies he heads. Everyone (rightfully) hates Elon right now, and that seems to be spilling over.
well i guess that saves a bunch of lay offs.
Yup. His cult followers fall for it
Yeh, in the 1970s.
Still too many for how unsafe they are
So they sucked at the solved problem of sensor fusion?
These savings brought to you by underpaying engineers and supplementing them with equity, and eliminating safety protocols on the ground to the point where you get multiple employees severely injured or killed.
With the Ericsson phone! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN63LoWs1XU
It’s not employees only. A bunch of non-company people are getting invites.
SpaceX has indeed achieved a much lower cost per launch. I don't credit Elon with this, except for being more risk-averse. Not being afraid of a few RUDs is beneficial here. That said, Starship is still RUDing a bit too often given how far along in its program it is. Also, much of SpaceX's success isn't due to Elon (other than higher willingness to fund failures in development), it's due to having a functional adult in charge (Gwynne Shotwell as COO) If other space launch companies were less afraid of their development/test rockets going boom, they'd have more innovations like FFSC engines. Despite the concept now being proven with Raptor, it's still the only FFSC engine that has flown to my knowledge. FFSC isn't something Musk came up with, it's just something he was willing to fund to the finish line and unlike the self propelled dumpster, that gamble paid off. As he does more ketamine, expect fewer gambles to succeed. Unlike Raptor which actually had some big theoretical advantages, Tesla has nothing to offer going forward with any of Elon's gambles: Automation: Elon claims vision-only will scale better. You know, so did Seegrid over a decade ago, their whole website talked about how much better vision was than LiDAR and their whole claim to fame was they could do the job with cheap webcam-grade cameras. [https://seegrid.com/](https://seegrid.com/) \- look where they are now, other than the company name they don't really talk about vision at all. I see VGUs still mounted on their products but I know that they were in the process of adding massive amounts of augmentation via 3D LiDAR a few years ago. Now their website is talking about LiDAR SLAM and not really mentioning vision at all. Plus Waymo is already successfully making rapid progress in the industry when he's been stalled since 2016 with little progress to show. Even at the peak of their "Vision is the only way" era, Seegrid still used safety LiDARs ( [https://www.sick.com/ae/en/catalog/products/safety/safety-laser-scanners/s300/c/g187227](https://www.sick.com/ae/en/catalog/products/safety/safety-laser-scanners/s300/c/g187227) ) for pedestrian detection because cameras just don't cut it for that function. Humanoid robots: He's way behind Boston Dynamics, and now even random Chinese companies. Boston Dynamics was showcasing humanoid robots doing flips and breakdancing when Tesla was demoing animatronic puppets. Did Amazon go with Tesla for their humanoid robotics projects? Nope, random Chinese manufacturers.
How many cameras can you cover with Post-its notes before the safety driver can exit the car ?
Calling this rollout "Unsupervised" is peak dishonesty given the level of teleoperation involved. Instead of a driver in the car on the verge of nodding off to sleep, doing the bare minimum to keep the attentiveness detector at bay, Tesla is right now rolling with chase cars immediately behind each robotaxi with someone paid to keep an eye on the vehicle's behavior.
Lol. Reportedly it will be laughable
MEGA doesn't care. The only thing important is that the stock goes up 😆
No one has done it before because it requires an obscene amount of sats that only last for about 5 years and have to be replaced continuously. It's an extremely expensive project and it remains to be seen whether it will actually be financially sustainable in the long run. And of course it's also controversial due to how much light pollution it causes for astronomers as well as all the aluminium it releases into the atmosphere when the obsolete sats burn up. All of this to provide a product that only a few percentage of earths population have any benefit from.
Electro-carriage
That would solve a cost problem. But those things are huge. I can’t imagine they would navigate tight spaces well. How does fsd navigate a narrow street with parked cars in both sides when constructed with another car approaching. Is it polite and backs up out for the way giving room for another driver?
Geo fence them from areas like that
TSLA stock has gained around $300Billion in anticipation, which is $30Billion per one cab.
Each robotaxi can take in 420 passengers per day and drive them 69 miles each, and Elon will use a time machine to compress a profound amount of days into a single Earth day. Revenue will top $30 quadrillion per photon. The US Treasury will have to use a strobe light to even see all the money they're printing to keep up with TSLA. And that's my bear case.
So, we’re talking about a car maker that shows declining revenues, announced full self driving for most of his vehicles and now brings 10 selected vehicles to a geofenced area in one city and it is valued at 170 times the profit. At the time when Volkswagen is introducing a real level 4 vehicle. And their stocks value below 10 times the profit. I just don’t get it…
So DEI for cars is fine when it's for a billionaires business huh?
somebody go toss a bunch of random orange cones on the street. Please.
And they look ridiculous! Skinny tower of sensors bolted on the roof. Such a striking comparison to Waymo
At lease this will keep the death rate down to just these few.
That would actually be pretty funny. "can I put my luggage in the trunk? " Oh uh... no sorry there's... equipment in there.
Look it gets elon in front of a camera for a "launch" so he can deliver more empty promises ok? Anyway stock will go up so you better buy now.
How is this not just an extremely limited version of Uber?
I wonder if they are doing anything about the one lane tunnel with no traffic underground shitty tunnel that they still need a driver for?? Yyd think that If their cars could self drive, a one lane road with no traffic or pedestrians or distractions would be the easiest route...
How many innocent pedestrians and other drivers will be killed by non-LIDAR FSD Teslas before our captured NHTSA regulator takes action to keep these things off the road?
The driver is actually in the passenger seat
Oh, I'm not in support of Musk. Nor am I saying SpaceX is a good company all around to work for. But the fundamentals of Falcon as a semi-reusable vehicle are pretty solid and did drive down launch cost by something like a factor of 4 to 6. That success is also not something that Musk had much of a hand in besides being the wallet. As Starship is demonstrating when he tried to take a more direct hand.
A move that exudes so much confidence...
LOL, years of development and pumping hype. Billions of dollars. Tesla is worth more than every other car manufacture company TOGETHER because of FSD. It ends up being 10 cars within few blocks radius. LMAO.
[](https://www.reddit.com/user/entropy512/) >SpaceX has indeed achieved a much lower cost per launch. It's all lies, watch Thunderfoot.
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You’d think if Tesla has solved autonomy the Boring Tunnel in Vegas would be the first place to have it. Instead it still uses Human drivers and the tunnel is as closed as it gets.
But there's nobody in the driver's seat! (Please ignore that there is somebody in the passenger's seat and we've added driving controls to the passenger's seat.)
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