Tesla discontinuing Model S and Model X to make room for robots

This is, uh, really surprising to say the least? I know 3 and Y were the largest volume vehicles but at least in my area (PHX AZ) we see S and X everywhere. Seems like they are exiting the higher-end market?

lol

Wow that was unexpected…

Not if you look at the declining and dismal sales numbers. Cybertruck will be next once they recoup capital costs

Whoa. . . That's kinda surprising. Really does seem like they want to move away from being a car company(other than Enterprise/Taxi).. which doesn't exactly give me a warm fuzzy on the inside about long term support. Kinda feels like they're gonna go the IBM route, sell to Enterprise only. I hope not.. but that's my current worry about hearing this news.

Wasn’t the goal to make cheaper EVs? Had to start high end to get $$ flow and eventually cheaper and cheaper cars

i knew this would happen one day, but next quarter? jeez. i guess my cars are going to be classics.

Sad. I dont want a robot. I wanted to upgrade my M3P to an MSP in a few years.

Sad to hear this news. I think the Cybertruck should be dropped before S or X.

No more S3XY, just 3Y

This move makes no sense to it. Robots are in their infancy stages still.  Maybe 10 years from now. But there is no way Optimus will be this incredible thing in a year or two, yet they are getting ready to mass produce it. It will be slow, clunky, buggy and break down as all technologies in their infancy do.

believe it or not, calls

I wonder if this means that the new Roadster is getting the coat hanger treatment.

I've been thinking of upgrading my Performance Y to a Plaid X. Not sure what to think now.

EEEEYYYYY

And the stock somehow didn’t tank. What a terrible turn of events has led us to this point.

“To make room for robots” - gotta love the spin.

Room for robots? Yeah...sure...okay....

Only ugly cars will remain. Such a bad move. No one cares about robots.

They've already stopped the production line and ceased battery manufacturing for the cybertruck. They have killed the cybertruck, but have not announced it.

They are too embarrassed to admit the failure of the Cybertruck and would rather sacrifice 2 other models to save it.

Wonder if this will help hold resale values for both s and x… wish I could afford the x, but been happy with my y

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That plan is dead. The way forward is robotaxis. And Tesla is not going to share. I will eat my shoes if they sell the cybercab to the public.

Prices for S and X plaids are going to go parabolic now. Thx tesla

This just in. LUCID stock exploding.

damn and I was refusing to sell because I bought FSD in 2016 now I really can't sell

Model YL will probably be coming soon. Hopefully

They just don’t sell very many. In 2025, they sold 50k of S, X, and CT combined. The 3 & Y sold 1.6M combined. https://assets-ir.tesla.com/tesla-contents/IR/TSLA-Q4-2025-Update.pdf (page 7)

We will find out April 1st

High margin but low volume. I think it’s been clear they don’t care abt this platform anymore for a while now

The public considers the Cybertruck a failure yet Tesla sells more Cybertrucks than the S + X combined. The writing has been on the wall for a while. The Roadster (assuming it is ever finished) will replace the Model S. The Model Y Long will replace the Model X.


Ye

We have not had the S or X available in Australia for years, so not really suprised.

It’s a cover up to stop selling models that aren’t selling well. They won’t be producing lots of optimus anytime soon. More Y maybe

I sure hope so. Makes a whole lot more sense if there's no X sales for it to potentially cannibalize.

but...I want something that has more room, not more seats - and I like the actual instrument cluster area too

RIP S3XY

If they gave the S and X some love in form of feature updates or refreshes they would probably boost sales by a lot. But sounds like Elon just doesn't care about that

Really? I'm not surprised at all, the volume has been so low for so long. Next up for production after optimus? Robovan. “To be totally frank, we’re continuing to make \[Model S & X\] more for sentimental reasons than anything else. They’re really of minor importance to the future” \- Elon Musk, October 23, 2019

No new Model X? Just dead? So Tesla has Y and 3 as their only viable cars. And.... Robots that who will buy exactly? Show us the preorders. Lol. Also Cybertruck was a joke.

I mean they can easily market to both segments they don’t have to choose between only high end or low end.

Knew it. This is very sad though

The YL has more room. Doesn't change the instrument cluster tho.

It’s coming within a year I’m sure.

I could afford an S if I wanted but the marginal gain over my 3 is just not worth it. It’s a perfect work commuter.

Exactly. For the price, they're a bad deal.

Is this a hang it up and forget about it or, ya know, the other thing reference?

They got a refresh in 2025

Robots are going to be how Dean Kamen predicted Segways are going to change society and urban transportation.

I think this roadster will become the new model S and target that market. The X looks like an outdated minivan. Hopefully Tesla has an SUV in the works.

Same. Guess that’s not going to happen, but may see a sweet M3P variant. I wouldn’t mind an M3P with 700+ HP and a hatch.

How? The S and X are expensive and only a small percentage of the population can afford them. The ceiling is a lot lower for those models and they already served their primary function to drive the revenue that could be used to build factories for high-volume models.

Trying to pump up those Q1 sales numbers. I’ll believe it when I see the last model S delivered

i went from a performance 3 to a plaid s. it is absolutely worth it if you can afford 2x the price, 2x the insurance cost, and 3k/yr on tires.

Paywall Bad.

LOL discontinued before you actually get the self driving to work as promised

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Source?

I wonder when it comes time to upgrade my 2019 Model 3 if Tesla will still be making cars...

I’m not sure if I’d call it marginal but I guess that’s subjective.  For me I guess my X is my last Tesla because I can’t see myself stepping down to a Y. It’s a bummer because I love FSD.

Nah lol

I'm going with the lobotomy version.

They stopped selling these models everywhere in the world gradually over the past few years. They've only been available in the US for a fair while now. This was definitely on the way.

I’m kind of hoping this will allow them to let loose on model 3 and Y performance capabilities, we could finally see a 1000hp model 3 maybe 👀

Both are the same conclusion

I would buy a S Plaid in a heartbeat if I had a budget for a $120k car.

Exact same here. Enjoy my Y, would prefer an X and can afford it, which I’d buy new at like 70, 75, but absolutely not 90-100K+. Just not enough actual luxury in it.

When's the new roadster launching again? 😂 Miss is such a bullshit artist.

I passed on the S because the 3 is a lot lighter and is just more fun to drive.

I should've seen this coming when they changed their mission from "accelerate the world to sustainable energy" to "building a world of amazing abundance"! I guess if an EV isn't producing amazing abundance, it's out.

3YCYBERTRUCK

I love my X. It's the only valid 3 row car Tesla makes. The Y is waaaay tiny w the third row. If they had brought the chinese long L here while getting rid of the X - I get it. But it's a segment that they are exiting, and it makes me sad as an X owner. Maybe in retrospect I should've gotten the R1S instead... I get the S exit - very niche car. I also understand the X is expensive. I just can't understand why they canceled those and not the cybertruck. That really doesn't have much synergy (in my mind, maybe i'm slow) w the other product lines. And it is definitely not selling well... at all. Maybe it's Elon's pet project and he doesn't want to let it go.

Same. Rivian or Lucid here I come... That said, now that it's discontinued I'm keeping my MXP forever. Also it's not even a comparison with the Y or 3...0 to 60 in two seconds on a six passenger SUV... Not even an argument.

My falcon wing and auto-presenting doors say otherwise. Find me another car in the North American market with features like the X. Being somewhat serious too, I wouldn’t mind moving away from Tesla in the coming years.

Wow. Elon has well and truly jumped off the deep end.

So this means that they will also add new models into the lineup right?…right? Honestly though the S and X either needed to die or see a significant refresh. Other car brands are starting to look even more appealing now that it seems like autonomy and robots have taken over their platform.

Hopefully the cyberburban with van doors will replace the X.

Apple discontinues the iPhone to make room for AirPower and Vision Pro

Tesla is less ~~S~~ 3 ~~X~~ Y now 🤔

How is that relevant to OP’s comment lmao

I enjoyed my plaid S. It was very cool, but incredibly overpriced when compared to its competitors offerings. Now that I’ve had 3 and a Y I’m convinced the S should have never been worth more than like $50k.

Until they stop getting OTA updates... Ohwell, let's hope for the best.

This signals the beginning of end of Tesla as a automotive company. The Cybertruck will be gone within a year as well. Now they can just hype AI and automation without actually delivering anything, the ideal world for Musk.

So what happened to all of that being the fastest electric vehicle and chasing that dream? Some of the original vision is lost in this choice. Tesla used to have exciting stuff to look forward to and be surprised by. Sad

My guess is the YL will come to the states and fill in that gap

Bingo! He sells hopes and dreams. He doesn’t, can’t, hit real performance targets for his business.

Might as well. Saw few in our city early on when they came out. That number hasn’t changed much while number of taycans, Ix etc keeps going up.

Buy another brand

Lucid Gravity is a much better X. I came from a X Plaid. What features do you have that I don’t - and please don’t mention those silly doors that love to not open when extremely sunny or in tall parking garages with plenty of clearance.

That was a minimal update. The Model S released in 2012. That is 14 years a this point. This means, when it released you would still be running a Xbox 360/Playstation 3. After that long, you need a substantial update to keep innovating, to prove value over your lower end releases, and to maintain cultural relevance. The cybertruck should've been a moment like this, but it flopped.

Unfortunately S/X are too small market. Combining CT, Tesla only sell like 50K each year, with 3/Y over 1.5M. S/X/CT is like 3% of 3/Y

Now just CyberTruck3Y

Agree, surprised it took this long. I've been expecting the death of Model X for 3 -4 years now. Model S is simply too old a platform. But I'm guessing this is more about wanting to shut down Fremont as a car factory, its a dinosaur compared to Texas, Shanghai and Berlin

If your wing doors don’t leak like a sieve and dump water on the unlucky passengers then you got yourself a diamond in the rough

What the hell? The S and X are so iconic. Can’t imagine those going away.

Still surprising to me because it's still like $5 BIL of total revenue (6-ish), and higher margin revenue as well (could be a decent percentage of profits).

Used for 60

They would also sell more if they were willing to accept smaller margins instead of seeing how much they could gouge people on them. They increased price on the S like $20k in less than a year.

It’s really not. The S is superior in every way. I had a performance 3 for 6 years.

what do you like about it

Ditto. I’m just too economical with my money to over spend that much and feel ok about it. Compromised and went Performance 3.

I thought it only had a couple of inches more room in the back row (still tight for adults) and the rest was the same?

How is it 3k/yr on tires, it’s like 400 per tire and probably get new tires every 2-3 years

1.8M, so even less

The brand still needs a halo car. I suppose I can understand, but I feel like this is a mistake. People like it when a brand of a car has a lineup that includes a top-tier luxury fast tech demo of a car.

According to who?

This is the real answer. There’s still a market for fast Teslas, but there’s not enough room for a Model S and a Roadster. People buying an S for 2.01s 0-60 would gladly spend $10-20k more for a Roadster with 0.99s 0-60

Tesla is moving into selling subscriptions now. Mark my words. You guys really think you're going to OWN that damn robot? "Your robot will now be able to navigate to self recharge, only applicable to RSD version 10" Subscribe to FSD subscribe to GrokSD, subscribe to RobotSD.

I think if they did a true refresh the s would sell well, at least as well as a luxury sedan can. I wouldn’t buy a brand new car that is so visually similar to the one that came out 10 years ago. The only company that gets away with it is Porsche.

FWIW cubertrucks are still popping out of the factory in Texas according to the latest drone video from today so if production has stopped nobody told them

I just got a new set the other day. With alignment it came to $3030. Took 15k miles. 21 inch wheels.

How many S and X do they sell US and world-wide compared to 3 and Y? Elon said a couple of years ago they only keep producing S and X as they are 'flagship' products.. Guess the Cybertruck is the flagship product now (Until they can actually produce the Roadster or Optimus)


With how few S and X sell, I wouldn't be surprised if they even lose money for each one built. They can say "make room" for whatever, but they already have all the tooling and expertise on those cars, and they're unwilling to keep it going. Tbh I wouldn't call it a failure. The S was the gateway to the 3 and Y, it would've been impossible for the company to have a $35k car right out the gate. The X is a bit sillier, and much too expensive for high sales volume, but a cool novelty anyway. Inb4 cyber truck discontinued.

>doors that love to not open Funny talking about bugs coming from a Lucid.

Yeah. I assume they'll had higher / fancier trim levels for the Y but I doubt they'll include falcon wing doors, or the much larger interior of the X.

Quieter, faster, more space, better looking, bigger screen, instrument cluster, adjustable suspension……shall I go on?

I love the gravity in theory but that car looks just like a minivan. The looks would turn me off if I was in the market.

So what Tesla vehicle would compete with supercars now…

Incoming lawsuit from EY (Ernst & Young)

Man. I remember the hype leading up to that and the disappointment after.

Falcon wing doors isn’t a loss tbh

real shame how they have abandoned their lead in the ev industry

Don’t forget the mind bending acceleration while still being able to go get groceries.

Autonomous robots are the new autonomous car. Vaporware to keep the stock price up.

A truck is the largest segment in the us though so it is supposed to be way more popular. Luxury sedan is a small niche. Luxury suv is a larger niche, but still not really a mass market segment. That car should be replaced in my opinion with something more appealing.

At least we will know how many Cybertrucks they actually sell when they don't lump the sales of it into "other" anymore.

Fantastic sound system too

Now what are they going to combine the cybertruck with to hide its horrible sales?

I wonder how they're going to report CT sales now. Didn't they lump S, X, and CT together before? Will be funny to see how low it is

Agreed…. That fate is sealed.

haha. this guy likes setting money on fire.

YR3CT with the roadster

Who is he expecting to buy these robots? Corporations have a higher need and demand for a robot than S or X?

Why? They wont get anymore software updates. For a Tesla that feels like a material part of why folks buy them, no?

You can get a used hw4 model S (not plaid) for 40k - and it still is way faster than a performance 3. Seriously its the best value car out there.

The roadster will be a quarter million dollar car. That is not the same market at all

You got robbed.

And want a car that's almost a foot longer, which was my main issue with the S, but I have small-ish garage and park on crowded streets often during the day.

It is paywalled. I'm wondering if this just means that factory won't build x and s anymore or Tesla just completely gave up on s and x globally?

Best comment in the thread - well done👍🏻

This is no surprise to me as an Australian, they haven’t had the S and the eXin our country for several years. They seem to be slimming the range down to focus on volume and profit.

I don’t really think you can make that sort of comparison the x is a much different car than the model YL. It would not be a replacement and for some (like me) the YL is a downgrade from the X in quality and functionality.

The stock tires are ass. The ones you just purchased will last longer. I had to replace mine at 15k too.

This is the only thing I hate about this car. The tires with the negative camber get wrecked on the inner wall.

Those tires are not actually workable for the vehicle I found. Drove the 2017 on 19s for 6 without issue got a new model with 21” tires and I hate it. New England make it not practical

That'll get cancelled next. No way is that thing surviving.

It might fill in the capacity gap but it’s not as nice as the X, unfortunately.

Hard disagree. They’re great.

IMO I think they’re going to make a “CyberSUV” eventually (with lessons learned from the Cybertruck), which is the real replacement to the Model X. The Model Y L is just a stop-gap.

I don’t want another egg shaped Tesla. The slope kills rear headroom and storage capacity.

Over time, parts for the X and S will become harder if not impossible to find. Tesla says now that their support of these models will continue, but for how long and for which parts? Sometime down the road, it’s 9going to be headaches for current owners of these models

Elon stated the goal from the beginning was to build electric cars for the masses and to do this, they had to scale by selling expensive cars first. Started with the Roadster, then the S. Couple this with slowing sales and it makes sense to cut those models.

What does this mean for the roadster?

Love everything about Gravity. Just no FSD, which is a dealbreaker for me. At least Rivian has announced that it is working on its own FSD technology. LUCID's attempts at autonomous driving have been abysmal imho.

I stopped getting updates for my 2019 in 2023 iirc

the Neue Klasse BMWs look really promising, ix3 reviews are glowing I've had good experiences as a Tesla owner, but for my next car? looks like it'll be something else

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Had an S. Got an Ioniq 5 lease when I crashed it because I thought the lack of buttons on the 3 was generous, but am dissatisfied. Now I guess there’s no option to go back..

Tesla FSD was unusable on our local roads (without a double yellow line). Highway driving a wash.

Subjective. When I’ve had a loaner S, I couldn’t wait to be back in my 3. And I liked our 3 so much (2018 LR RWD purchased new) we bought a second (performance) Model 3 a couple years ago. I absolutely could afford an S, but much prefer the 3.

I’m sure they’ll keep updating 😂

The fastest electric vehicle will be the new Roadster....when it's released....in 20 years.

I cannot wait for this whole robot thing to explode in their face. I really can’t. Musk is going to go on a generation run of bad products after a generational run of great products… and it’ll be the wake up call they need.

I’m talking Plaid S. It’s different. I’ve driven both.

Rip Fremont

And still sold in Canada, but US-built products aren’t as popular as they used to be

Okay, I don’t know a lot about cars - used to have a Model 3 and have a Mach-E now. I thought… a mini-van? That’s harsh. Then I googled it… it really does look like one. 😭

I love my S. Guess it’ll be my last Tesla and I’ll be moving on to other brands afterwards

So, I get the feeling Elon is just not into cars anymore. I’m mean, what happened to the Roadster? Is there supposed to news about it in April?

S is the only attractive looking car. Should have never wasted time and money on the god awful CT

The hardcore fans will preorder them maybe? Those robots don’t look viable at all in the current economy.

Possibly the worst deal in the EV space. (And I'd love to have one!)

Cybertruck is next. It’ll be 3, Y, YL and Cybercab.

Wish they’d make a cybervan or just a van in general. Feel like there’s a big untapped market there.

I believe it sells more than s or x

They’re super cool, but not super practical for most and frequently break.

They make an aftermarket fix for it, costs less than $1k and can be self-installed. I had the same issue, tires blowing out every 5K miles. Until I fixed it, every dollar I saved on gas I spent 3x on tires.

I'd love to get a used S if I could find it for a halfway reasonable price.

The loaner has never been a plaid, but it has been a P90D and a P100DL. Yes, they are fast, but a vehicle needs to be more than that. And I speak with some experience on performance - previously competitively raced a Yamaha R1, and now instruct high performance driving and club race a Porsche in a spec series. Subjectively, I do NOT like the S/X interiors - I much prefer the spartan 3/Y interior. Talking about the extra screen as though it’s some plus is a joke to me. And for the dimensions, I do not want to drive a larger vehicle - the S is a foot longer and half a foot wider than the 3. And, at least in the Ses I drove, I have more headroom in our 3s because of the glass roof rather than a sunroof. I can afford an S. I do not want an S.

Ehhhhhhhhhh

Cancelling the best looking cars but keeping the rolling dumpster truck….

Inb4 "we sold x vehicles"

I'm not really surprised to be honest. Model X and S were always way too expensive for most people and it didn't give any real benefits over the Y and 3

???

Faster how? Old M3P 0-60 is 3.1 seconds, Highland M3P is 2.9 seconds. HW4 Model S is 3.1 seconds. Top end, yeah probably the S has longer legs, but most people aren't blasting around at twice the speed limit every day.

The roadster would definitely be more than $120-130k, if it were ever built.

I’m still getting updates for my 2018 X, nothing major though.

As a CT owner, I am expecting this to happen \*sad truck noises\*

Yes, compete with ID Buzz and the upcoming Kia PV5

Announcement came after markets closed for the day. But if the market thinks these were dead weight, then the stock will only go up. We'll see how the market feels about this tomorrow.

Anecdotally, I definitely see more cybertrucks nowadays than I see S/X combined

Model 3 and Cybertruck Model Y Easy!

But the power on the S is almost all the time vs only above 80 percent charge or above such sucks ass. I was gonna order Performace Model Y opt for a Premium instead because of this. I got smoked by BMW M2 because my battery was at 40%.

kinda seems like only having three cars in production for a car company is kinda rough. I get streamlining is good but its hard to make enough cars everyone wants when you only target a few segments. I am not even sure what segment the Cyber truck is.....

Honestly… there probably still is more strategic value in revamping the truck than in keeping S an X that trims or just close relatives of the 3 and Y can be made almost exactly equivalent to without a whole parallel line.

IMO they could get away with keeping it visually similar if they were to also introduce significant performance improvements.

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If what happened to the eventual ceo of Segway with their product is what happens to Telsas ceo from the robots then count me as kinda excited to watch it happen.

Larger sedans aren’t selling and the X is actually too small

I think 40% in the S is also the point where you'd start noticing a power loss, too?

I’ve got a model S. I love it

Does this mean that preowned market value for S/X could gradually increase?

So they gonna be discounted right? I wouldnt mind moving up lol

Guess Model Y L is the new X.

You forgot R for robot. R3Y... R3Y Skywalker 🤢🤮

This is pretty surprising... what if his next bright idea is to discontinue 3 and Y so that they can make the Cybercabs on those lines?

On the bright side the values for existing S and X are probably going to shoot up in the used market if you already own one.

It's bizarre to have an automotive company thats worth more than most major car brands to have only 2 models(Cybertruck will probably be discontinued aswell).

The S was the groundbreaking car. There's no refresh because tesla really hasn't done anything astonishing, hardware-wise, since it came out.

Elon literally selling robohype because he can't sell cars anymore.

Y'all don't understand that the first million robots are not intended for consumer use.

They're just too expensive. If they were cheaper, then off course you'd have folks buying them.

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Yeah thats not going to happen either. Sadly, I don’t think this company cares about the actual cars anymore.

I see a luxury joint venture in the Future, and it will cost like sin similar to a roadster

They should make a real luxury option at 80k mark. I wanted one for so long but couldn’t justify the marginal gain over 3/Y for that much extra money.

So Plaid 3??

Not only disappointing but Optimus in my opinion isn’t even a proven product. It’s the potential for one. Why not wait until a group of them are already working and doing things unassisted before shutting down the factory for a proven product that people like that and buy. Increase prices if you have to and/or cut the base model. There isn’t a 2 second 0-60 car to replace it. The Roadster still isn’t here.

The performance model 3 is including rollout, the long range model s does not. They market the same time but if you actually look at there details, the s is quicker. And on highway it's not even close, the power to weight ratio is way different.

I would think the X would do well if they made it a little more usable 3rd row like competitive wise size and updated it. The S would do better but people just don't care for large luxury cars that much. Both these cars have never had a 2nd generation done

Nah, more like 20-25% ish you start feeling it. But you won’t get below 3.4 seconds on the model 3 under 80% soc. They also are basically the same when not using rollout figures like plaid versions do

It's probably $100k more but still true

i hear r1s quad is pretty good

A lot? Maybe +50% sales boost would be optimistic? So they’d sell 90k instead of 60k. Still a pretty big gap to the million+ rate the 3 and Y are selling at.

Well, if you put a deposit down for the roadster you might as well get your money back now. It’s never coming.

I would LOVE a model 3 tri motor to just dominate the market haha

Eventually, Tesla will stop making cars but only sell FSD to other car manufacturers.

There's after hours and it's up slightly.

I actually got car sick driving an S. Maybe they had the suspension too loose bc it felt like a boat

I may be in the minority but I love the doors. And maybe I just got lucky but I'm the one dropping off and picking up my two kids everyday for 3 years now and it's never failed. School, soccer, piano, tennis, etc. easily opening and closing 6-8 times per day. Kids love them and so do I because it reminds me of the delorean I never got as a teen.

this is my 9/11

the issue is that minimalist works in the cheaper segments because nothing is a selling point, teslas just aren’t luxury cars… spending 100k on a tesla is simply a poor decision. the issue is that tesla still needs to make money, at the cheaper price points the cars build isn’t the best but that’s okay due to price point and the screen and software dominate. at 100k you can get a M5, S class, RS7 I can go on… Rivians are a lot nicer, same with Lucid. if tesla wants to sell more they’d actually have to make the inside a lot nicer with authentic leather, suede in the seats, signature sound system, aluminum touch points, ambient lighting etc.

Eventually, Tesla will stop making cars, only sell FSD to other cars manufacturers.

Tesla's not really in the car market anymore as the number of cars required to sustain their market valuation is many many times what they sell every year and they aren't putting much R&D into them anymore. Tesla is in the robotaxi and robot market (I think) and whatever else Elon thinks up to use Tesla equity for... The number of products they sell is likely to shrink to a core that makes the company sustainable to the point to see if the other bets pay off.

Just wait for a recall? Doesn’t that usually show units.

I’m guessing they’ll make ultra premium versions of the 3 and Y with higher end trims and suspension etc

I don’t think they abandoned so much as they got bested by BYD. Everywhere where byd is sold they outsell teslas because the price/value proposition is so much better coming from china. You could argue all the things about how Chinese cars are this or that but reality is that once tesla captured the us market they just didn’t care anymore and hoped the gimmicks kept them afloat

In Canada the Model S costs $160,000 after taxes. It’s simply too unaffordable. Just 3-4 years ago this same car was $115,000 after taxes. Not sure if it’s tariffs or whatever but not many people have this type of money. It’s too big of a jump from model 3 to S.

They're really quite practical as they make it easy to load things and people (especially child-sized people) in and out.

Nope never had any issues with my FWDs *except* on very rare occasions, maybe 5-10% of the time, the passenger-side FWD won’t close on the first attempt. Always does on the second. First time it did it was literally delivery day lol and it couldn’t be replicated. Been through car washes heavy rain etc., no leaking anywhere. I don’t treat my MX like a princess either, I’ve tailgated, carried all kinds of random cargo in the back, my dog’s had thousands of miles of backseat experience, carried a full car of passengers plenty of times. I’d say she’s almost as ran thru as my college exes.

Rivian for us next as well. I just need them to put out smaller vehicles because I’m not going to drive a big boxy SUV.

I don’t agree with this. Yes these were low volume vehicles but not because they were bad cars. The S needed a full remodel. At that price it needed to have a more luxurious look and feel to attract more buyers. More like the Lucid. The X is pretty slick but was priced too high. I am pretty sure they could have found a way to get that to around $69k and still be profitable. Killing the Cybertruck makes sense. That or completely redesign it. They still need a real suv! I think Elon is overly optimistic on how quickly people will want to adopt full autonomy and first generation robots.

It has been through two refreshes, and a great number of small change's. [https://ev-inventory.com/model-history/MS](https://ev-inventory.com/model-history/MS) Given the platform is 12 years old, and their competitors are moving rapidly, I think it would need a whole new generation to remain competitive. And those sales volumes seem too low to justify the investment. Should note the EV market has changed an epic amount since 2012, and the Model S & X products now have a heap of completion.

Thanks for further pushing me to Rivian. This company is feeling seriously rudderless these past couple of months. No one knows whats going on, no one knows whats going to happen to FSD/Autopilot. No one knows anything about Model Y incremental updates. Its all just too random.

Model S and X in this economy make no sense, most people cant afford em.

I wanted to get one just for the larger size. That’s a bummer

Too old for 'refresh' at this point. It would have to be an all new model. The Model S platform is almost old enough to vote.

2016 is HW2.5 which is not receiving any significant updates anymore

Thats what understood by “updates”. “Minor fixes” that I can’t ever tell what exactly changed don’t count as “real” updates

That was my next plan. I just bought the MP3 Performance about a year and a half ago and was planning on buying a used model S next. That extra range, more room, etc. was huge for me. Sucks they’re are stopping selling them

Yawn.

2036: Tesla discontinues robot production to make room for intelligent toasters.

I have HW3.

I really wanted an X because of the additional seating and I loved the doors but it was just too expensive. Welp now I don’t have to worry about it.

The Rivians are pretty nice.

Tesla has 5x the market capitalization of Toyota and somehow it needs to trim the product catalog to focus its efforts...

They need to keep the X. Get rid of the falcon wings for traditional doors. Price it just above top of the line Y. Money.

Autobots roll out

Tesla not kicking Elon to the curb will be studied as one of the biggest corporate blunders of all time.

The 2012 Model S is wildly different from a 2025 Model S. Would you also say all Civics or Corollas are the same throughout their generations?

Should’ve discontinued the Cybertruck instead. Also, watch Optimus be even less profitable than the Model S and X whose production lines it took over.

i got the factory pilot 4s. great tire. so quiet compared to the non foam version.

There goes buying an S when my kids are old enough for the Y I'm currently driving in 10 years. I feel lost.

Yeah can they please make a squared off SUV like Rivian

Yes to make room for robots. Not just because these cars don’t sell. That would be bad. And making robots is good. So this is good!

It's his immaturity and lack of focus. They rested on their laurels (or pick an idiom, they've done them all). All the aura of Musk being a never-sleeping wunderkind of chaotic genius is the Oz-like curtain that surrounds a truly unfinished person. There's nothing behind the mask.

This is sad but it is one way to address the fact that both models are obsolete and frankly way to costly. I was actually hoping that Tesla would address the issue by redeveloping the models for this niche. Just one consideration is the obsolete battery packs on these models. Frankly my hope was for a more robust X, that is a better SUV type vehicle. Lets face it if they could apply their modern techniques and delete those silly doors X could have become a cheaper but more capable SUV. I'm listening to the live stream right now and I suspect there is also a huge problem with space. That is they don't have the factory floor space to solve projected future demand. Personally I have this idea that they are putting too much in one basket. That is they really don't want to be reducing the auto line up. Given that they might have something up their sleeve, a rumored SUV on the CyberTruck chassis might be one of them.

Tesla is actively trying to advance from being a car company, so who cares? Cybercab and robots are much higher margin businesses anyway

The truth is the S and X aren’t the premier EV sedan and SUV on the market anymore. Lucid’s offering is clean and Rivian’s SUV is larger and more robust. A serious refresh of both would go a long way. More than just making both an under 2 second car. They focused on speed so much on the last refreshes.

They aren’t a care…oops freudian slip…car company anymore. They aren’t interested in selling cars. Just vapor ware and silly robots. Guess all the model S owners now own classic’s!

To make room for robots… What a fucking waste of manufacturing space.

Guys, this is just a cover for the slowed vehicle sales

That’s what I meant. Not sure what they call a new design. For example BMW calls their facelift a lci (life cycle impulse) but I think people refer to new generations as refreshes. Tesla to date has never fully redesigned any models. The roadster almost got this but it was never released.

That’s like their whole plan. The smaller SUV comes out in a few months

Pedantic, but they focused on acceleration. Doubt the top speed matters to many.

Can’t wait for all the people who were tricked by “FSD Next Year” to get tricked again by a useless robot

Hate to be that guy. But nobody is buying that shit lol. My own personal experience living in a EV hotbed city in North America. I probably see 500 teslas to 1 rivian/lucid on the road. Where’s I literally see S and X everywhere

I got a 2022 X plaid 1.5 years ago. I absolutely love it. The used plaid s and x are amazing value.

i got a new x and plaid s before they jacked the prices up 20k. im keeping these cars until they die. and then maybe ill swap the battery out for a new on on the plaid in 10yrs.

Do I have to walk for the robot, too?

And the funny thing about that, is robotaxis are just a race to the bottom as far as profit margins. No one would pay a premium for an autonomous ride, and there is already better established competition.

He’s building a robot army for Trump

You're right. And here is the thing....the bottom of the robotaxis might actually be at a price point where it is cheaper to use robotaxis 100% of the time vs owning your own car. If that happens, the volume of rides they would be providing would be astronomical.

CYBERTRUCK3Y

The model s is fast and you can have car seats in the back and a dog in the hatch. Two very different vehicles. Either way the major miss from Tesla was that their suv is ugly AF and too small. They sgould turn the x into a minivan and make a new SUV an electric Range Rover.

I hope they do that. It would be the smart thing to do. It is kind of amazing Tesla has failed so hard on introducing a new model. Not even rumors of a new model.

I suspect the reason is that they are producing more in-house (Austin, upcoming Nevada). They literally said on the earnings documents and call today that they are going to start putting 4680s in Juniper Y (if they don’t already, I’m not up to speed on their current manufacturing)

Word. I’m in NYC. I see more Rivian’s than I see Model X. And come to think of it, I’ve seen very few Model S. Probably equal number of Licid Airs as Model S. I’ve yet to see any Lucid Gravity on the road. Rivian sold almost as many R1S and R1Ts as Tesla sold Model S/X/CT combined last quarter. So I’m not sure what you’re on about saying no one is buying it

They are amazing for people with mobility issues

On the other hand, you could get a brand new X before they end, in 4 years time sell it for what you paid or more as people will want a rare X.

$250k in Nov 2017 = about $330k now. 😬

It's a bit of a shock, but suppose it tracks. Those high end versions were to enter the market, and once they got scale with 3 and Y, they weren't worth the factory space if robots are the next big game. The unit economics for 3 and Y are more manageable.

Upper middle class Americans just don’t want to buy from Elon Musk anymore (hence first year of declining sales)

Someone check inventories. Knowing Elon,  I would not be surprised if this is to move surplus before he suddenly has a "change of heart due to new demand" next quarter.

You see, it’s actually because we’re SO successful, so really this is a good thing.

Can’t wait for the guys in robot suits and remotely controlled robots posing as ‘fully autonomous robots’

I don't really feel like they made enough of an effort to boost sales of the S and X. They have been poor value for money for a long time now.

From what I read, the plant in Fremont is immediately converting to robots from cars.

As weeks go by I see more and more Rivians around here. Its almost to the point of seeing one at every intersection I stop at on my drives. Still way more Teslas (but mostly 3's and Y's). Lucids are still pretty rare, maybe see one every couple of days.

Cancelled later, or maybe they'll put a back on it, or even make a van version. Or even steel to replace the space metal. Or all those.

Not a very good analogy, cause the iPhone is probably the best selling phone. S & X don’t sell very well

I also got 2019 Tesla model 3 and it has been holding up well with over 100k miles. Honestly I may as well run it until battery dies out which at that point is better to buy a new car from different brand.

So are we never getting the roadster 2.

Same here

Man I deservingly get a lotta shit because I’m the 1% that like the cybertruck

I don't think you can realistically expect any performance improvements on a plaid. I think improving build quality and interior luxury would go farther.

If you live in a climate without rust might be able to drive it forever and just keep battery swapping.

What does this say about other high end luxury EV car companies? What’s their fate?

welp guess im never getting my dream car. wish I was just a tad richer

Same car, same plan. We’re going til death of the car, or my kids get physically too tall to fit behind me.

Does anyone really want a robot? Specifically an early model? It's going to be an overpriced novelty for years before it actually does anything life altering.

It's a shame because the competition to the S/X just isn't there yet for me. The Rivian R1S for example consistently gets knocked for its shit ride quality and noisy cabin. I test drove a recent Model X long range and it was an incredibly smooth and quiet experience. But that one came with a $107K price tag, so that was a big fat NO GO for me.

Do they really though? Mercedes just killed the EQS. Rivian R1S ride and noise consistently get knocked from owners. The Cadillac Vistiq is definitely a worthy contender though. And perhaps the Hyundai Ioniq 9.

See, Musk has an out. The way he can avoid having to deliver FSD (unattended) is to simply discontinue all car sales. FSD on Robotaxis is much easier since you can have them service specific boxed in areas and manually map every inch of them. ZOOX is already doing it in Vegas on/around the strip, fully autonomous taxis.

And do what with FSD?

They won’t ever recoup capital costs for CT

Maybe we can get 3 / Y Plaids now?

Removing turn signal stalks and column shifters 🤡 Putting base model functionality behind subscriptions 🤡 Stripping the brand of halo products 🤡 It’s like a Pontiac speedrun any%. I wonder if Holzhausen is having flashbacks. 2020 M3P Stealth trim btw.

Ill buy an S then

They will always make cars, but it's very clear they don't want to sell them. They want to operate a transportation service where they own all the vehicles.

The S is my favorite car on the road, so I actually hope this is true.

I think the pricing policy was a little bit off. S is twice the price of 3, and I'm not sure it's twice the car, at least as far as latest models.

Not official yet from Tesla. Just comments from Elon during the investment/earnings call.

There are already many ways of transporting yourself that's far cheaper than owning a car. Car ownership is always going to be a loss for the absolute vast majority of people. Nobody buys a car because it's cheap. The argument that taking the robotaxi is going to be cheaper than owning a car is irrelevant.  People want their own cars for many reasons that robotaxis could never cover.

Same here, but with the X. We’re a family with 4 kids and the 6 seater we have is the perfect car for us. But with this news, it seems it’ll be the first and only Tesla I’ll ever own.

Doubtful at this point.

A really strange move on the X. If FSD really delivers, a vehicle with rising doors could have been a novelty and a good fit for the upscale market. No high earner is going to take a model Y or similar to the airport or any other places where image matters, they are expending the cost anyways.

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You think the Pilot Sport 4S are ass?

They’re going to replace the X with a cybertruck-inspired SUV.

They’re going to have to do something about the CT to ramp sales. I honestly thought they’d have a longer range variant out by now to go after the people who wanted the 500 mile range.

My spouse drives a model X 2023 and appreciates the FSD. I was thinking of getting the Model S this spring for myself but now what? I really appreciated the FSD for road trips? What is the next best luxury version of the X or S? I'm less intersted in the Y or 3. Thanks

They are so cooked.

Sad news.

Lexus is killing off the LS this year. Large luxury sedans with traditional trunks are not the thing anymore. It's all hatchbacks, SUVs, and crossover SUVs. The Model X, in my opinion, is too similar to the Y at 2.5x the price. At least the sports car is coming out (hopefully). That's supposed to be built in Fremont.

This was old news for us at the Fremont Factory. We had know since last year that SX was gonna be discontinued beginning of early 2026.

Welp. Was hoping to pick one up if they ever did another refresh. Bummer. Guess Lucid won in the end in the luxury category.

Dunno about this.. It's the dream models for any tesla owner. It's like when Toyota killed their performance cars, their image went to "for old people", at least in my circles.

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Just FYI - these cars were discontinued for right hand drive market years ago. They are too expensive and not marginally better than Y/3. Albeit, look nicer.

They’re an AI and robotics company now… 🤡

BYD beat him at the EV game anyway.

I don't think it was that surprising. They haven't updated or even refreshed the X or S in a long time, it was clearly just coasting on previously accomplished engineering work. Most other manufacturers operate on 8-10 year cycles for a reason, the cars stop being relevant if they don't. The model S has barely changed at all since 2012 (pre-production work starting in 2007) And the Model X just now hit 10 years old.

Maybe discontinues the iPhone Pro, while continuing to sell the basic iPhone… that’s a better analogy.

I'm pissed. Have a 3 and a Y and was looking forward to eventually upgrading to an S and X.

Why is this surprising? They sold 1,69 million cars in 2025. 97% were Y and 3 Why would they keep producing cars that are not selling?

A better analogy would be Apple discontinuing Mac Pro and iMac in favor of Macbooks. Keep Mac Studio because it's special purpose, Keep Mac Mini because it's the only option for Datacenters. [https://macdailynews.com/2025/03/19/macbooks-account-for-86-of-total-mac-sales-mac-desktops-just-14/](https://macdailynews.com/2025/03/19/macbooks-account-for-86-of-total-mac-sales-mac-desktops-just-14/) Mac Pro hasn't seen an update in forever. iMac is far from the best seller, especially compared to Macbook Air.

That's Elon's next kid's name

Elon always said cars were not the goal mars was. Need those robots to build the planet. That and Canada allowing China EV’s full tilt has really messed things up for Tesla. RIP Tesla motors

Totally. The Tesla car company needed an adult in charge 10 years ago. I think in 10 years from now Tesla cars will be a memory.

And in other news, Porsche and Lucid secretly start upping their luxury EV production lines… 😆 This market isn’t going away. Yes I know they didn’t sell a lot of them - and Tesla is a massive billion dollar company now that doesn’t need that market. But this feels like… forgetting where they came from. Or losing touch with the people who made them the company they are. It’s kinda like a slap in the face. Because, even for those who couldn’t afford them (or afford them *yet*), the S and X were exciting, interesting, cool cars, that were fun to *want* to have. They were the SX in SEXY. And while I know we may all have humanoid robot butlers one day (well, I won’t - not from a company that has that abysmal of a privacy policy and record) - the robots just aren’t something that feels like it’s “for the people”, or gets me excited in the same way. They’re for the billionaire tech moguls, and massive factory owners. Great. But they don’t feel like they’re for *US*, and in this way, it really feels like this is a major sign of the way Tesla is changing, as a company. I know they’ve outgrown being “just a car company” - long ago really, if you think about it. And as a Tesla supporter who’s believed in them from the start (like, before Elon even), I’m excited that they’ve been that successful. But, I’m also sad that they’re no longer a car company, or even a company that makes things for *us* first, really. Newer cars won’t even have steering wheels, because they don’t need them - and that’s cool, and amazing from a technology perspective and all - but I *LIKE* driving. I want a car that’s fun, and *cool*, and exciting to drive. But Tesla is no longer a company that’s focused on or cares about that, because they’re “bigger” than that, now - which again, is cool, but also kinda sad. And yeah, that’s how this makes me feel, I guess… sad 😔. It’s the end of an era.

Yes, I'm aware. The spin is that they're acting like they just have to stop the S and X because they need the room for the robots that are in super high demand.

People are banging down our doors for robots, we just have to somehow make room for production!!!!

To be honest… Tesla hasn’t been a vehicle company for a while, now. It’s been a *vehicle* for Elon to prove that he can do whatever his next big thing is. When it was smaller, and electric cars weren’t certain yet, that’s what it was. Then it was energy. Now it’s automation. It’s not really a company that cares about or wants to make things for *us*, the wider population, anymore. Think about how many times something has gone from Elon’s next big, super exciting thing, his #1 focus and special interest, to something he (and therefore Tesla) no longer even cares about anymore. The S and X were cool because they were fun cars for us to look up to, even if we couldn’t buy them (or buy them *yet*), and to feel *excited* about. But what’s exciting about a fast car to a billionaire who owns a rocket company? It’s why the Roadster has fallen to the wayside, as well. He needed something to get him excited about it - so he tried to put rocket engines on that, as well. And when he couldn’t have that? Eh, not as important anymore. Back when Tesla first transitioned from being “just” a car company, nobody believed that accessible home-solar, or scale-size grid storage could be a thing. But then those were solved, and proved, so they were no longer interesting anymore. And so he (and they) pivoted again. AI and autonomy is an exciting challenge he hasn’t solved yet, so that’s what Tesla is doing as a company now. They no longer want to make (or care about) cars that are fun to drive, or cool to have. That was long ago. What’s interesting about a $100k luxury sedan, to a guy who makes rockets, and giant towers that can catch them? Now an entire *fleet* of cars, all of which drive themselves? *That’s* exciting to own. For him. For us? Well, Tesla really doesn’t care about that, anymore. Not really. We’re just a *vehicle* (sorry), for them (and him) to reach their ends, whatever the next great, unsolved challenge is. They just need enough people to buy into it, to support it - and then when that’s successful? It’s on to the next big thing.

It was never real. Even MKBHD gave up on it.

I'd recommend the BMW iX if you're looking for a fast, luxury EV SUV. It's seriously underrated

To be fair, the new 3 and Y are closer to the S and X than their pre-facelift variants. Sure, the second display, air suspension and so on were still S/X exclusive, but I think 3/Y can close the gap in the future if they improve further.

Same. Will be worth a fortune long term.

This is what happens when people vehemently defend an awful CEO. These vehicles should have been properly refreshed years ago + the stupid price gouging was just outrageous. Zero reason to buy them.

People gave him a pay package like idiots. That’s what happened. Never seen a dumber group of shareholders.

You just now realized that??

No its the same 0-60..

Saying this about the richest man alive and with all of the companies he has is crazy. But im sure you know better than him

Although I own a X, I will never own a Tesla robot.

They could just make premium versions of the 3 and Y that are similar to the X and S instead.

Enron Musk needs to be fired (into the sun)

The priority is subscriptions!

Model S is the one I like the most. Sad to see it getting axed.

Roadster was the OG. You don't see any on the road today. S and X were the next round. You see a few here and there, but not many, except the X. 3 was the next round. Came out at a more-affordable price point, so they are everywhere. Y was soon added because people wanted a 3 as an SUV without the X's price. Those are everywhere. Cybertruck... eh. So it's about expected that the S and X will be like the Roadster and disappear to make room for the next Tesla iteration. Whatever that may be.

Let's just hope they don't start thinking about sending OTA updates to brick your "obsolete" car

Whelp... There goes that. With autopilot being removed from 3s and Ys, me having no interest in paying monthly for FSD, and now the S and the X which came with it included being discontinued, there's zero chance my next car will be a Tesla. Yes I realize there will still be S and X in inventory for a while, but I no longer trust anything Elon says so I don't believe him when he says they will continue to support S and X with parts/repairs as long as they are around. It was fun while it lasted. Hopefully Rivian comes out with a sedan soon, I've just never been a fan of SUV's.

I picked up a founders edition model s (VIN 15) this summer from the original owner in signature red. I already felt that I had a collectible and a piece of automotive/EV history but this announcement makes me feel even moreso in a bittersweet way. :(

What performance targets that he’s stated publicly has he been able to hit? On time? Why is he winding down his auto business to focus on robutts if it’s so successful? I wonder if it has anything to do with negative sales growth, 50% drop in profits and the soon to be loss of revenue from selling regulatory credits?

May look like it but it’s actually very cool in real life because it’s smaller than you think. Feels like a larger hot hatch or a shorter wagon instead

Mr. Elon isn't exactly spot on. He's stopping selling a product he made real money with and which continued to perform relentlessly in its sales, to produce robots. I don't know what to say. Maybe he'll realize what a fool he's done when he runs out of money in the cash register!

It is a small market. But so are Bugattis. You do see them stop selling.

Cybertruck will join soon

3yyyyy

This is so fucking disappointing. My goal within the next couple years was to get a new model X. This paired with getting rid of the option to buy the $8k upgrade for lifetime full self driving is absolutely devastating. My love for Tesla is quickly fading. I had considered myself a Tesla customer for life but, genuinely, now my faith is dying with these decisions. I am so disappointed.

So much character removed from the Tesla portfolio all for an unproven robot offering. Elon has lost the plot entirely

When is the roadster going to be released?

I believe that was a direct result of input cost increases (higher salaries / batteries / chips / and basically every other input) along with the end of subsidies from both government rebates (to consumers and Tesla) as well as at manufacturing locations with expiring tax rebates. Compared to the market, they're actually pretty on-par with the price increases. If you want to talk about margins, just look at something like a Honda Civic or CRV - Over 10 years, Honda's have increase aproximately 33% in price vs the Model 3 increasing just 9.7% in MSRP

S and X were overpriced anyway. Also were like 3% of sales. Not that this robot thing is gonna go well, but cancelling those lines was smart. Now, maybe get to work on the roadster?

Do you guys think the Roadster will fill that gap?

I do contract work and love the room in the S for taking all my crap. I would need a Tahoe if I didn't have the S.

"After enormous damage I have personally caused to the Tesla brand, I'm announcing that the luxury vehicles, which took only 10 years to be completely and enormously outdone by more affordable luxury EV's from Chinese manufacturers, will be discontinued." Masterful gambit, you twat.

Owned a Plaid for a year before lemon law buyback due to multiple quality issues. Still would buy another S if they addressed the quality issues and refreshed but the last update was lack luster and I have zero confidence in Tesla improving those issues

it’s just the next marketing narrative to pump the stock, like “full self driving”

I was considering getting a used 2014-2017 model S or X. Does anyone have any idea if Tesla will continue making replacement batteries and parts for their model S and X cars once they stop car production for them? If they stop supporting vehicles with parts, I wouldn't even bother getting a new remaining 2026 model, let alone a used one

Went from a Porsche Turbo + Lexus LS hybrid to a Model S. Its better in the canyons than the Porsche and better on long road trips than the Lexus. Test drove the 3P before getting a Plaid and it just doesn't kick you in the ass like the Plaid. It does not have that teleportation feeling where you get from here to there without anything in between. Also the exit speed from an apex ... the Porsche cannot hold a candle to a Plaid. Its like driving a Miata.

they will make the performance 3 and Y more premium, you can already see them moving S/X features to both. Also by reducing their lineup they can upgrade the 3 and Y more without taking away from the S and X. this is a good play

I feel like they just prematurely discontinued my favorite TV show. Isn't it important for a brand like this to offer both mid-range and high-end vehicles? You would think that they would keep the S around because of it's record-breaking performance, and the X around because of its 'cool' factor with the falcon wings plus it's 7-passenger accommodations. I mean, the development work has already been done. They've each been around for over a decade now, successfully and mostly loved by their owners. Yeah, they need to invest in refreshes, but it's got to be substantially less expense than launching an entirely new platform. Hell, cancel the CT if anything. To date, the Model X is the best all-around vehicle I have ever driven. It's fast, it's been reliable, it seats 6 comfortably, has great range, has great tech (not watered down like in the 3 and Y), and FSD is still the best auto-pilot that I've used. I cannot bring myself to buy any other car at this point.

They are really going all-in on Cybercab + Robotaxi. There have been debates in the past -- after they announced -- why Tesla wouldn't just capture the whole autonomous taxi market if it was so profitable instead of enabling owners. This sounds like they intend to make most of their money from their own vehicles while still keeping the promise of allowing people to rent out (this seems like much less of a priority).

The model 3 and Y were cannabilizing S/X sales. I’m not shocked by the cancellation. However, I thought they would consider a new vehicle to replace those BUT I guess they’re pivoting toward Optimus.

Chinese are manufacturing many cheap Tesla replica parts so not a big problem as they will take the market

Cyber truck “am I next?”

Reality is Model X shouldnt have lived this long. Which given X and S share the same platform and barely have any sales, it means both were on the chopping block. However Tesla should still want a hold care for the Brand. That's where imo the Roadster comes into play. I also think just a pickup truck in general is extremely useful, so they will be far more hesitant to cut the Cybertruck. And that platform is just far newer period and can have other vehicles built on it. So I'd say Roadster as the new Halo Vehicle, and seen as a significant upgrade over the next sedan they sell. And then what they should do it have other body types built off the 3/Y platform basically. The most critical is honestly more of a true 3, row SUV. That's probably the most critical future product not already in the lineup for Tesla as far as consumer sales. The X just wasn't it. They need just a like 10% larger Model Y...

I see plenty of Rivians in Denver, but no Lucids. Lucid is Saudi funded trash, anyway.

As an owner…Tesla has just killed itself.  Or at least as it’s currently recognizable form.

Yep.  Wanted to replace my 21 model 3 with an S now that I’m more financially established and we want a larger vehicle.  That will now be probably a Rivian to replace the Atlas we have and a Scout EV to replace the 3.

What is about CT? probably the worst car every from Tesla.

I’m devastated. I absolutely love my model X. I’ll drive it as long as I can. How long will they service the parts?

Put them in the cars

Lol why not cybertruck?

It's so weird that while China is on a whole other level - 1MW chargers that charge 0-100 in 5 minutes, battery swap stations, solid state batteries with huge ranges and densities - Tesla decides to throw the towel and play some other game no one is playing so they won't lose.

Hard to want either S or X when Lucid Air and Gravity exist.

I mean... as it stands now the only thing keeping them afloat is the lack of competition from Chinese cars in America. Definitely wouldn't surprise me if they stopped selling cars eventually.

I would get a lucid in a heartbeat but I love FSD

The X was always a "mistake" in terms of ability to manufacture it at a competitive price to allow it to sell at volume. There really was no way to correct this outside of just starting over with MY base and making a bigger SUV, which wouldn't be an X. But the S gave the brand prestige and continues to do so as a luxury level car. Removing the S turns the Tesla brand into something closer to a mid-level brand and pulls it away from being even in the Lexus level of brand. Bizarre choice.

Last gasps as leadership bails on stock.

Apple discontinues iPhone Pro series, and will be making room for Apple Car.

I thought Elon said the cars are robots 🤡

Yeah this is weird. You don't walk away from billions of dollars unless you know something. I wonder if rare earth mineral geo locations has anything to do with this?

Man this was super disappointing! I had to divest my shares of Tesla because I couldn’t justify investing in a company that is shedding its best product lines. I really enjoy my current S and was planning on purchasing another soon, but I guess I will have to pivot to Lucid.

Elon’s sex robots are coming.

They will be missed, but this is a step forward. In the future not many people will associate tesla with selling cars.

Why? Those are the best ones!

I’m amazed at the credulity given to his statements in this subreddit. It looks to me like he said this to sell more S and X units…

This is Elon throwing out his steak because he wants gummy bears

Why is it either/or? So no roadster either? Car companies have F1s for prestige. A swanky "S" wouldn't hurt Tesla even if most sales are for 3 or Y. Factory space for a robot that's still half-done? Something doesn't add up here.

Have you ever ridden in a Y? Headroom is not a problem, front or rear.

Yeah, they need to make a boxy POS to appeal to the dunderheads. The Kias and Hyundais are repulsive.

Starting to get the vibe that Elon is going to dump Tesla entirely. BYD has already mastered the manufacturing and the battery tech, his only viable venture moving forward is likely SpaceX.

Agree, the model X needed to become the lucid gravity. Lucids gravity is everything I want in an SUV it's just lacking FSD and Tesla software polishing

Why, all of a sudden Tesla can't build new factories?

There goes the value of X and S. Dumping :(

Anyone here actually looking to buy a robot ?

In the Netherlands, sales of the X and S completed plummeted. Last year, around 16.700 Tesla’s were sold, of which only 85 models were either an X or an S. All the X and S you see on the road are the ones from 2017/2018 or the early Model S. And to be fair - I completely understand this. The 3 and Y are great and much more economical, while the S and X aren’t that much of an increase, especially not considering they are twice as expensive.

As an owner of a 2017 MXP100D in Italy, all I want is Tesla to deliver the FSD I paid for when I purchased the vehicle. As lifetime supercharging and premium connectivity were also included in the purchase for this model, it is safe to say I will drive this car until it is dead. I love the car, but am super unhappy that FSD has not been delivered as promised. I also am not a fan of the subscription business model.

My dealer just told me that Tesla will no longer be producing parts and that warranties will be voided come March. They are completely getting out of the EV battery business, so i would get your battery replaced asap.

They really need a new 3rd row model. Never liked the X

>This is, uh, really surprising to say the least? How so? Musk has been talking for *years* about wanting to end S and X production - even on investor calls - because they don't do anything anymore for the company.

R O C C 3 Y Roadster, Optimus, Cybercab, Cybertruck, Model 3, Model Y

Tesla 3 and Y are extremely common, but the S and X are not. I think I've seen more S than rivian/lucid, but pretty sure I've seen more rivian/lucid than X. In 2025, rivian sold 42k, almost 10 times as many as model S (5k). X was better at 13k, but still not comparable to rivian. Lucidair was at 4k, so on par with the S

Considering all the problems HW3 users have had, and all the complaints about part issues already, I wonder how it will be when the lines are torn down.

I wonder if there will be new models sometimes..

Trust me, bro.

😔

They are probably going to make a new SUV on the Cybertruck platform if they were to ever get back into that segment.

Any successful company will open a new fab to accommodate the robots

Any recent (2025) MS owners here? What is real world range on EU roads? Also what is the thinking here – will AI 4.5 still make it to the MS before it shuts down for good?

Probably another lie to try and boost sales this quarter.

What a disaster.

I’m aging way to fast

That robot is so far behind all other manufacturers, it makes no sense to start mass producing it now. Anything to boost stock price I guess…

Good. When I get replaced with a robot, I will watch entitled pricks try to haggle with them in retirement. Especially the teslas and their uneven tire-wear.

lol, sure that’s the reason.

Burying themselves alive if autonomy doesn’t work out… I think a lot of us wish Tesla could be a car and autonomy company. Many of us love Tesla’s cars.

The other models are too expensive

I’m guessing that the S and X will be back with models that align with their current build philosophy. The platform is just outdated using their old manufacturing process. Musk has historically liked to integrate and use as few parts as possible. It’s easier for them to shutdown the lines, repurpose for robots, and introduce the new model s and x later. You can kind of already imagine it. Musk on stage “oh and by the way we’re brining sexy back” - One unified battery platform - 50% fewer parts - Giga press - Etherloop It’s just a matter of when.

Maybe the robots can keep the GOP away from kids?

I’m really sad about it. They’ve lost me as a customer. Good thing my 2016 Model S still feels brand new. Hopefully it’ll last another 9 years.

I believe they will launch it from Boca Chica on the first Starship mission planned to go past the orbit of Mars

Fr coulda built another factory with all the money they got😭😭

There has been dynamic pricing on a model X plaid. One could purchase a six-seater, white interior, red paint Plaid for $92,000 in October 2023. It was a valley low price. The same configuration today is $30,000 more!

Why is this sub still called teslamotors? Shouldn’t it be something like teslarobutts now?

Tesla should have replaced Elon with someone more “committed” to EVs. Elon is clearly not it.

They just needed a gen 2 like any other car maker does. Imagine if Toyota was still selling gen 1 camrys and RAV4s... Sales would be horrendous.

He's taking the  cash on hand at Tesla and using it for his AI failing X and