Dropped by a Tesla space and they have the refreshed models. Lights look pretty good.
Kinda feels like Juniper and Highland creeped wwwwwwaaaaayyyy too close in interior quality
Agreed
They should have adopted the juniper headlights and tail lights.
Yea that would have made this “refresh” feel a little more valuable vs $10k price difference.
So they are large 3/Y’s now? I don’t mind the spartan interior in the 3/Y but the S/X is supposed to be more luxurious…
I remember looking at X back in like 2017 and being amazed how far ahead they were from others. Back then you barely got an 6inch touch screen on other cars. Then, 21 refresh felt cool in terms of displays, but it felt less premium. Now, everyone has caught up if not surpassed. I really think Tesla is really moving in a direction of being an FSD company that prints 3/Y and premium vehicles isn’t what they’re about now.
That looks like ass
Honestly, my wife and I just looked at a Kia EV9 and I was shocked. Tesla needs to step up their hardware game if they want to sell cars. Then again like you say maybe that’s not what they’re about anymore…
Bellevue Square?
Needs an exterior update. The design still looks good but it looks very outdated overall.
Indeed
They're the same picture
That new paint color is nice, but the interior quality and material looks pretty much to be the same as the Model 3/Y now, which is just woefully inadequate for the $80k+ segment. That entire inner door panel area is especially embarrassing for even a $50k car, let alone an $80k one.
Another place where Tesla’s sales are facing intense competition is in China. In the same price segment Chinese cars have comparable powertrain but far better interior tech and cabin quality. HUD, passenger displays, heated and cooled *cup holders*, massage seats, and overall better material and quality everywhere.
that's the problem with a good design vs consumer tastes. we've been taught that new is good, so we want change, any change, regardless of aerodynamics or functionality or cost increases due to retooling or supplier changes or whatever. I like the s design, but I suppose if the interior were made of more premium materials, or if they at least had a fragrance diffuser that smelled of, say, "Corinthian" leather and oiled walnut... I like the minimalism, but I guess people think the more geegaws, the better the car must be, when the geegaws are hidden, meh.
That’s not a refresh that’s an AliExpress mod.
Looks like partially rendered mush. Like they didn’t even refine the clay molding.
That’s what kept me from buying the X and just opted for the Y. If I’m paying $80k I expect real leather and massaging seats
It looks good 👀
No thx
Wow is that a dashboard display?
Needs an option of a factory-applied "We bought this before Elon went crazy" sticker.
BMW it is
Heated and cooled cup holders will make me spend $80,000 unironically. Especially if I can leave them on while I head in for an errand. I’ve seen people put a cooler in the frunk and I’m like bro. You have to get out of the car to get a drink?!
Really like the blue colour. Kinda stolen from Mercedes Benz's china blue
That would be on point with the "Tesla constantly lies about everything" mantra of the company.
Nah, they just need to be cheaper. This is totally fine for me, better than any car I’ve had. It’s just way too expensive. Make it efficient, make it cheap. The market for people that pay 80k for a car is very small in terms of % of the worlds population.
New eaquals better is definitely not what the car community thinks. Just take a look at one of the subreddits when a manufacturer launches a new model. They hate nothing more then change. But the „Zeitgeist“ just changes, and you need to change with it to keep up. At least in my opinion the model s still holds up pretty well in generell, but the backside is definitely in need of a upgrade. It’s basically unchanged since 2013 and it shows.
What’s new here? A bit of G4MER lights…
What do they have that tesla doesnt? In terms of lux or useful stuff?
Meanwhile back in reality: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/s/HVI5Icdaoa
We did a lot of test drives of EV9 before buying our 22' X. The EV9 has a ton of great features, but drivetrain and software are both a significant step down in the Kia, unfortunately. Exterior and interior design won't age well, in our opinion.
You're buying a car, not a living room. All it is supposed to do is get you from point A to point B which it does very well.
This is why I got a lucid. It actually feels expensive, both inside and in terms of drive quality.
All RollsRoyce owners should've bought Civic smh.
Great time to get a 23’-24’ s or x for around $45-55k. Really see no point in buying new at all at that price point.
Honestly this looks rather poor and outdated.
Looks like BYD
Then why would I buy this over a much less expensive 3?
It looks like a car that's two generations behind.
Same
That front end needs a major redesign
I mean, yeah, but they’re reallllly big. Just look at how small the driver looks…
Ugh, what's up with the panel gaps? These are so uneven, like no one cared at all.
Isn’t that better for everyone
Yeah Kia software causes me physical agony, but I was actually impressed by the drivetrain and particularly their battery. The charge curve is like nothing Tesla has ever made and I liked the daring styling and funky interior. Tesla is refusing to update the S and X so it felt refreshing to see a weird new take. Not sure if I’ll get one but I was impressed.
800V battery with an insane charge curve better than even the cybertruck. That plus an interior that feels very new and different. Gotta add the software is garbage, like I’m pretty sure the space jam website is more intuitive and modern but the hardware is impressive to me.
Im not sure what people were expecting. This is a mid cycle refresh. It was always a niche car.
Does anyone closely track the price of used model S after a refresh? Would we expect to see a significant dip in those prices?
Not for the dudes paying 80k+ the same interior as the budget models
I had a 3 and it was too small. Same with my old Y.
I have owned a Silver Cloud 3 and a Silver Spur but prefer my model X.
I absolutely love my Highland, but as someone who doesnt need more speed/power, there is very little reasons left to consider S at over twice the price
But if the 80k car is high quality and now the 40k car is high quality shouldn’t everyone be happy we all get high quality rather than being grumpy that their car isn’t superior to others ? Maybe Tesla should make it even higher quality but I see no reason why the y and 3 need to be worse quality to satisfy the ego of the s and x drivers I think this is good for everyone
They are nice, but i don’t drive cars. Best I’ll drive is a small suv.
Makes sense for the poor people like me buying the lower models. But if i was spending 100k+, i’d expect much higher trims on the premium car. I mean go look at the interior to rivians for EVs. Or Mercedes/bmw for ice. The premium interior, sound dampening is what you’re typically paying for in luxury cars. One big expectation is full grain leather for that kind of money. But nope. Same fake peeling vegan leather shit for all models. I’m not complaining but I can see why people who buy the premium models feel slighted
Volvo interiors are *chef kiss*
Did they upgrade to the cyber trucks electric architecture to make the yoke actually make sense?
If everyone thought like that, then luxury/sport models of cars wouldn't exist. Different people like different things.
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Totally, I can't see a single good gap on the front photo. The gap between the bumper panel and wing panel is also messed up, and if that's not an image compression artifacts then passenger door panel seems like protrudes in the upper part and deeps in in the lower part.
You're missing the point. An $80,000 car should be much higher quality than a $40,000 car and a $40,000 car should be much higher quality than the $20,000 car.
Yeah, S/X are whales
Seriously. My poor ass just keeps a mini yeti in the car if I want cooled drinks/snacks.
Meh
Of course not
Yes-- tons to like in the EV9. Great product.
21 refresh could be considered mid. But with this being a mid cycle, it’s fine if they would have done the lights even maybe. Or if they did just do as what was done, maybe not increase the price by $10k.
Ngl, a very disappointing refresh.. If the S got powered doors like the X though, it’s not as disappointing, but still. The 3 & Y got their own identities, the S & X still look like a 2014 vehicle-
God I hope they never do that for the X and S lol, the new Y looks awful with the straight line light. It’s cool for the cybertruck but really is an eyesore for the model Y
The frunk is open that's why it's so large
Exactly this. You can’t just price the car at $100k and then do a poor job with build quality and an excuse is that it is only to get you from point a to b. By that logic, get a minivan.
Then get a mini van with that logic. This is a nice product for a niche clientele who at that price point expect certain built quality and experience and likely care more about this product than just getting from point a to b.
I think I can come around to the head lights, but the tail lights look terrible as a line.
My 100K plaid S already has steering wheel leather problem at 27K miles .These cars are 80K+ and they've got the interior's of a 30K car from 5 years ago. They're getting beat on range and luxury inside/out compared to other brands. What is their competitive advantage anymore?
ok.
After driving Cybertruck for a year, I’m not buying another car without steer by wire.
Still looks so cheap.
My 2017 S is better.
In what ways?
I dont see how its embarassing? Just feels like a design style and minimalist. I hate how gaudy mercedes and bmw's look in their high end vehicles.
How many times are they going to refresh the interior without changing the exterior?
There is a difference between “minimalism” and “cheap”. Volvo is of the former and Tesla is of the latter.
Sunroof, stalks, free charging, free data. Better materials? I see people complain about the steering wheel these days. Better panel alignment than this specimen. They really need to do steer-by-wire, that would interest me. Then they could bring back right hand drive. At this point I'm looking at lucid or Hyundai or maybe even Volvo. Elon says nobody cares about the sunroof. I do.
Yeah Tesla has definitely fallen behind in the premium EV space. I also think they should bring back the option for a metal roof. Free charging and free data is amazing but it was never a sustainable business model. I don’t see a world where that comes back. Does the screen or software bother you?
>But if i was spending 100k+, i’d expect much higher trims on the premium car. Model S AWD is $85k before tax credits. >I mean go look at the interior to rivians for EVs. Rivian still loses money on their cars. For a while they were losing ALOT. So it makes sense their interiors seemed nicer because they were literally selling a $120k+ truck for $80k or whatever. see: [https://electrek.co/2023/11/08/rivians-price-strategy-holds-strong-new-orders-push-asp-higher/](https://electrek.co/2023/11/08/rivians-price-strategy-holds-strong-new-orders-push-asp-higher/) And fwiw, since then Rivian has "refreshed" their interior in order to save on cost and bring their margins closer to break even. This is what the new Rivian interior looks like: [https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2026-rivian-r2-electric-suv-interior-review](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2026-rivian-r2-electric-suv-interior-review) Yeah... nice. >Or Mercedes/bmw for ice. So like this? [https://youtube.com/shorts/zhYYiQBDkgc?si=N\_o17rwO5hyGYHXe](https://youtube.com/shorts/zhYYiQBDkgc?si=N_o17rwO5hyGYHXe) Idk about you but i'd rather have the Model 3 interior than that creaky ass EQS interior. IMO, the mercedes and other brands just "look" luxury, but they aren't ACTUALLY luxury. People are easily fooled by appearances.
You mean the body . The interior and under the skin have been changed and hardware.
it is much higher quality, just not in the obvious way (interior). it has a much better suspension, handling, sound system, it's a larger more spacious vehicle, has more range, is faster, used to have bigger center screen, has a heads up screen, also used to be quieter.
I felt that way when I was a kid in my 30s. As I've aged, I've come to understand the point A to point B an old man told me years ago.
I actually bought a new 1985 Chrysler minivan, so I've been through that
The leather in other cars is pretty thin these days, anyway.
Ehh is all I have to say, nothing special
HUD, an actual 360 camera view, faster charging, more comfortable seats, massaging seats, more legroom, fits car seats better, more storage.
You’re missing the point. Unless you have unlimited money and don’t place much value behind it, you’re not buying this car to drive from point A to point B. You’re buying it for specific emotion and feel, which fit and finish as well as perception of value plays a huge role.
Looks like Bellevue Wa
cost cutting and calling it a "refresh". They did absolutely nothing to add value. No effort on the exterior. Mazda has better interiors at half the price.
I'm not missing any point, it's just that our points are different. I had the emotion when I was in my 20s and drove BMW's Mercedes and Rolls-Royce's. Now I just enjoy a fast car which I get with my model X. There is no such thing as unlimited money, but I have sufficient for two lifetimes as of now
And yet, the interior is what is being complained about. Which it should. This isn't a refresh, it's a retreat.
Kia can't drive itself.
Facts CT is the best.
People will always find something to complain about. If it wasn't the interior it would be something else.
Tesla has defined “cheap”. This is just BAD.
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New paint looks good but refreshes are starting to feel like legacy auto - paint colour and light strip … not exactly a major upgrade .
Has hands free highway driving. Does Tesla offer batteries designed after 2015? Or how about a heads up display?
Alacantara is not cheap. It used to be a significant upgrade cost in German luxury segment.
I love that color.
You can see it's open on the screen in the first few pics
Looks the same. Ambient light is bit of gimmick. Wish they'll redesign the yoke too.
The former isn’t really a “feature.” The latter can be added aftermarket for less than Kia will charge.
MS is still the most beautiful car in the world!
I mean, how much would lining a few doors actually cost? I don’t understand how people can tell themselves more expensive versions of any vehicle, especially when it’s just the interior, and some stickers, is worth sometimes tens of thousands more. You can buy a *very* nice lounge suite for the difference, and a *very* nice home stereo to match.
It should be. It's just plastic
The frunk is absolutely popped open.
> Better panel alignment than this specimen. You mean the specimen with the frunk popped open?
Well, just throw a Comma-X in the Kia, then it can pretty much drive itself.
Idk i was always a fan of the wood on the inside. I'm sad seeing it go in all the models
It’s still there, this was the Plaid.
Lucid loses about 300k/car, so you are getting a lot more luxury than you paid for.
Unfortunately, Mercedes went for cheap in their latest models. Highland/Juniper have moved from cheap to minimalist.
Or even a freaking powered frunk. That is one quality of life thing that I can't understand why Tesla wont add to the rest of their fleet. The CT, with the worst frunk has it while all the mainstream models with fairly usable frunks dont. Blows my mind.
I don't even mind the vegan leather, it's pretty nice. The problem is that the X/S interiors lack any semblance of luxury for the price point. Our X (2020) was $112k all said and done, and it feels way more luxe than the current X, but still lags in every other measure. I know this has been improved in the current X, but the cabin is so damn loud when driving on the freeway. This should be basic stuff. The interiors are just weak compared to competitors at similar or even lower price points now. Honestly cannot wait for the Gravity at this point.
Honestly. I see the S & X as their flagships (the price sees it that way too) it should, quite literally, be the best of all their minds. Not.. whatever disappointing update this claims to be. “Ooo, LED’s on the INSIDE?!” Like wtf.
Wood grain > Carbon Fiber
Looks gemicky
Plastic with a patent. Basically fancy plastic.
Underwhelming and inappropriate given the price tag. What a shame.
Alcantara IS cheap. It's plastic fabric.
They keep looking cheaper and more tacky. The 2017-2020 models have better interior in my opinion.
That does not look like luxury. My 2015 MS looks better.
Yea and the fact that it’s not even well thought out… you get normal steering wheel, the top of the driver display is blocked no matter the adjustments you make. I didn’t even know the light status was at the top because it was fully not visible when I drove. The bottom left of center display is also blocked by the steering wheel, and I tried so many positions. Yoke still has the issue with center display blocked and it’s hit or miss in terms of people liking it. Without steering by wire, too many downsides imo.
I'll give you that one if you insist, it's the least of my objections. What about everything else?
Free charging - could be available on any new car at Tesla's discretion. They offer it on again, off again. Nothing really unique about a hardware refresh associated with this. Free data - could be available on any car at Tesla's discretion. I have one car with it and one without, so for the one without I pay a hundred bucks a year for data. Not really a reason I'd claim "my wife's car is better than mine." And still not really unique to the hardware refresh. Better materials? - even your question mark conveys you don't actually know this. The steering wheel issue is a problem with the surface material separating from the wheel. It's being replaced under warranty for those who it happens to. Tesla is undoubtedly working to find (has already found?) a fix for the manufacturing process. So it's not that the material feels bad or is bad, it just after time separates due to an underlying design/manufacturing fault. Sunroof - I didn't like being in a Model S with a sunroof due to my hair on half my head rubbing on the headliner due to the wider beams around the roof - I just have a tall torso, not long hair. The wide open glass gives me ample headroom. So Elon is correct about me, sorry the same can't be said for you. I absolutely wish Tesla had followed in the path of the Cybertruck with the higher voltage low voltage system and drive-by-wire. I'd love to know why they didn't. Did they not think they could source enough hardware?
Information is made of nothing. The material cost of things, especially branded things, is not fully informed by it's material cost
> I absolutely wish Tesla had followed in the path of the Cybertruck with the higher voltage low voltage system and drive-by-wire. I'd love to know why they didn't. Did they not think they could source enough hardware? They don't sell enough of them to justify actual retooling for this. The real refresh. You missed "stalks". Fewer physical controls is not an improvement. Auto wipers still suck the last time I tried them. Likewise auto high-beams. Buttons on the wheel for signaling would make sense if combined with steer-by-wire, but don't otherwise. I use 3/4 stalks regularly, I could do without the one to control the steering column position. It's really obvious that nobody at tesla cares about this model anymore. Delete, delete, shrinkflation. And why should they? Nobody buys it. And nobody will. They don't even have the 0-60 crown any more.
I'm still kinda surprised the X came out with powered auto door options and no other car like the S ever got them. I understand they're expensive but it can be a customer option. It's cool and could even make autonomous FSD make more sense.
How the S and X don't have powered frunks is very strange. It can't be that expensive to add it, people would use the frunk more often too.
Yep, I use the frunk on my rivian frequently because it's so convenient. On my X it's only used when absolutely necessary but it sucks because the front end is usually covered in bugs lol.
Have you sat in a new Model S or X? The quality is MUCH better than any 3 or Y.
Nothing about the S or X feels cheap.
The S and X interiors are still much nicer than the 3 or Y.
It is much higher quality in the S than the 3.
The S is MUCH quieter inside than a 3. It’s not even a competition.
Except that the S is a much nicer car inside and out. Lol I own a 2024 Model 3 LR and test drove a Model S AWD this weekend and it is a lot higher quality than my 3. Faster, more comfortable, much quieter inside, more range, bigger main screen, added driver display, higher quality materials.
They are more luxurious.
Kia’s cars are still cheaply built compared to Teslas.
Saying Teslas are built better than E-GMP cars is certainly a thing to say. Not a correct thing but certainly a thing.
Looks like they are standardizing on A LOT of parts across all their models. This will help cut back on repair costs if the same part models can be used for all their lines. This will hopefully help make their cars cheaper down the road too which will be necessary if they want to stay relevant. Especially if they lose the tax incentives, they will need to get figure out a way to remain profitable and still provide their same product.
What's the software version on that thing? Looks different.
The Subaru BRZ has it, and that car is $35k.
bah just a refresh, still looks dated to me. Tesla needs an entirely new generation of the model S and full redesign to make it fresh. This isnt an iphone where they dont do anything and just do something little and call it a new model.
> They don't sell enough of them to justify actual retooling for this. The real refresh. I don't personally know how much retooling would actually be necessitated to make those changes. Had the drive by wire reached the Model X there's a good chance I'd have pushed for us to replace my wife's Model 3 with one, but as it is we'll likely go with a used Model X instead. > You missed "stalks". Fewer physical controls is not an improvement. Auto wipers still suck the last time I tried them. Likewise auto high-beams. Buttons on the wheel for signaling would make sense if combined with steer-by-wire, but don't otherwise. I use 3/4 stalks regularly, I could do without the one to control the steering column position. You're right, I skipped over stalks - but that's because I haven't actually driven one of the stalkless models before so can't actually speak to if it's an improvement or not. Personally, I think I would love the stalkless wheel and the autoshift forward/reverse, but having not actually used it I didn't want to give my opinion. I've got over 50,000 miles riding motorcycles, so the idea of push button indicators, horn, etc. is second nature. But anyway, Ferrrari manages to get along just fine without stalks, as do other performance-oriented marques, so I'm not sure why this is such a crazy notion to people. Other than, of course, "change is bad, stay off my lawn!" I also like the auto wipers, they're just as good as any other auto wiper vehicle I've been in. Did they, 7 years ago when we got our first Tesla, have issues? Yes. Have they improved to be on par with other manufacturers? Yes. Is it now just a boring trope that reverberates around the internet? Yes.
I am 100% correct. Teslas are much better built than any Kia or Hyundai.
I have not, just looking at thes e pictures, I feel this might as well be a Highland/Juniper with the dashboard screen. That was my point, that in these pictures I'm not quite seeing twice the value (obviously some of it is in the motors etc). But I'm sure they are definitely nice just fine, but is 40k nicer than highland?
My 60K EV9 is way way higher build quality in every way than my 100K cybertruck. The EV9 drivetrain is quiet and smooth as butter, the ride is plush, the interior quality is way better, like it’s not even close. At this point with 1500 mi nearly every panel in the CT rattles, the ride is good but the EV9s is just better, the drivetrain is way louder and harsher and makes all sorts of weird vibrations and sounds, and I already had to get the front motor, the rear steering actuators, the wiper blade assembly replaced under warranty and the tonneau and the liftgate needed to be realigned. Pretty sure there’s more but the list of shitty build issues is so long that I’m sure I’m forgetting some.
Door open pic looks like the car is 15 years old
Right! What always got me with Tesla is how crappy the door seals look when doors are open. Earlier 3 cars were so bad, it got better since. But X/S they still look like somebody built a temu kit car.
When I brought my 2024 model 3 performance to get serviced the technician was shocked by the quality and noise dampening. He had a new Model S and still was shocked
Not the new 3 lol
No it isn’t. The EV9 is just as cheap as any other Kia. Cybertruck and other Teslas are much better quality.
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How do they hold up? I randomly get suggested posts from their FB group and lots of people seem to be making problem posts with a “but I’m still happy” exception. Could just be that random unsolicited drama posts that FB is exposing to me.
I just think it is laughable that any Tesla can is considered "luxury". Build quality, road noise, vibrations and suspension are the bare minimum and it feels like Tesla engineers scoff at, and have never been inside, any other vehicle.
Agreed, as much as I like the idea of owning the X it isn’t anywhere in the quality as well as road noise, handling characteristics you can expect from cars in the same price point or even $15-20k less.
A friend of mine has one and it is the worst vehicle of recent memory I have been in, in terms of quality. So many rattles, misaligned parts, HORRIBLE suspension. It was the first year the semi refreshed X came out (with the swiveling monitor). I've driven older ones and they feel more premium to his. My 20 year old Saab felt way better out together in terms of quality fit and finish than any Tesla I have been in. It's just that owning a Tesla is so efficient and easy.
Little software bugs here and there happen but nothing deal breaking. Fit and finish were miles ahead of my model 3 performance. Mobile service is great and when I had some recall work done they put me in a range rover rental. Amazing customer service and car is absolutely amazing to drive. Theres a reason why the Air is often said to be the best driving EV on the market.
I miss a rear center console in the X. For the rear passengers, the six seat configuration is nice on first look but disappoints on long travels. There is no place to put your phone or small items. There’s also no arm rest, which is annoying. Also questionable are the falcon wing doors. They are a nice gimmick, but it comes with a lot of downsides. I would prefer a normal door. What I love about the model X is the power doors. This is a very convenient feature. I also love the windshield with its giant view. But if the model X would offer standard rear doors, then also a glass roof would be possible. Other missing features are power frunk, massage seats and a head up display.
I ended up going with a Polestar 3, but was close to getting the X. I ended up taking an X on a 48 hour drive recently too and glad I went with a Polestar. One, the build quality, then the ride quality. Then what you’ve mentioned. I was pretty set on getting X Plaid and from the first look 6 seater looked cool. After taking it in extensive drives though, changed my mind quick. Seats are not very padded, no arm rest. I’d also mostly have it in a 4 seater config, which means stuff from the back will roll. I also use it for the dog, which would mean keeping him in the back wouldn’t get any barrier unless I get a subpar cover. The FWD are cool, but not practical. They take a lot of room for the motor. So no glass roof and less head room. Decent amount of people have rattles with them, or they don’t always close flush. In heavy rain, water pours inside too. Then with the sensors on them, they sometimes take ages to properly open, or don’t open at all and need to be overridden. The big windshield is neat, but sun is an issue with it. My head was baking during a sunny day lol. Not to mention it’s hard to keep clean as when you use your wipers with spray while driving, the dirty water goes all over that giant glass above your wiper area. Same with powered doors, it’s a neat trick but more annoying as you’re opening and closing against the motor and it just doesn’t feel great.
Tesla vehicles have just got cheaper in build over the years. My 16 S has real leather, panoramic roof that opens, free charging, free internet, and probably other better parts which haven’t been swapped for cheaper alternatives.
They do that because of their startup costs don’t they not the price of producing the car
Where are you seeing 23 X’s under $50K? That’s enticing.
Ok, I only own both and live with them every day, but sure you know better than I do
I live with them every day as well.
No lightbar 😭
That's complete nonsense, they haven't achieved economy of scale yet. I support them, but if you look at the Air, it's clear that this is a first car. Lots of design inefficiencies and feels a bit put together by hand. Not dissing your ride choice. I'd happily daily it.
Kia and Hyundai’s biggest problem is the cheap-feeling switches and panel pieces that they use. Tesla uses plastic, but it feels sturdy and premium at all the touch points. All Kia and Hyundai switches and door handles feel so darn cheap. UI also sucks. Screen bezels in some cases are too thick. Very bothersome. Like they went 9/10th of the way but cheaped out at the last stage.
Honestly, most markets. And they still have warranty left as well
>riding motorcycles, You don't shift your hands on the handlebars, they're always in the same place relative to the controls. If we had steer by wire and variable ratio like CT I could accept button controls. >Have they improved to be on par with other manufacturers? Yes. Is it now just a boring trope that reverberates around the internet? Yes. I'm not just repeating this, I live in a rainy area and use the wipes a lot. The rain here varies from minute to minute often. Maybe I'll give them another try in the fall but last I checked they were bad. Not terrible, but bad enough that I'd rather pick from the four options manually - using the stalk. My main complaint is how they run faster and for longer than needed when the rain goes away.
Are they ever going to do a Gen 2 X/S? They seem to be sitting on it forever.
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