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That’s what the new rear scream was really for
How is it live with a person still in the front seat?
‘Rear scream’ is actually a new fart sound they are rolling out with this service.
That's what Supervised means
It’s the exact same thing that Waymo had to do in the beginning. There was a driver in the seat “just in case.” But the driver is directed not to intervene unless there is a real potential safety hazard.
They first have to prove they can operate without intervention, and they'll a supervisor in the seat until then.
Guy sits in front to jump in or to log problem areas where the car does something dumb. Geek then reviews data and video from logged issue and programs the car how to handle it. Eventually number of problem areas and dumb car moves slows and then the car no longer needs a person.
very confusing video. so they're just showing off their ride sharing service? but obviously not ready to show off unsupervised fsd yet...
when the car is on its way to pick up the passenger (and in the video thumbnail) it's zoomed in just enough to show the steering wheel moving itself but not enough to show that there is a person sitting in the seat.
Direct link so you don't have to go through some 3rd party website. [https://x.com/i/status/1915080322862944336](https://x.com/i/status/1915080322862944336)
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Well it does say FSD supervised. I get they are playing tricks with the video but they did say there would be someone in the car.
Cruise and Uber also launched their autonomous ride services with safety drivers.
I mean they don’t want to be ready to launch and not have the basic uber functionality not worked out in parellel and delay launch
So you’re saying Tesla is several years behind waymo?
Very different from 2018 when they said "the driver is only here for legal reasons"
They didn't make a false statement, just misleading by implication.
But rather their paid API and give cents to some random dude who shows the ads
No, Waymo can’t mass produce their vehicles so Tesla is decades ahead
iirc supervised is required and Waymo started the same way.
in terms of what? what matters is scalability imo
Progress isn't measured on a single linear scale. Yes, Waymo launched driverless taxis several years prior to Tesla.
You know it’s the outtakes we REALLY want to see.
Exactly
Yes
So what state/city is going to allow unsupervised FSD Robotaxi? Any?
That is objectively obvious to anyone with eyes...
Okay but when they are driving, you can clearly see the person in the drivers seat?
A lot of pieces need to come together for a proper service, and yes, a proper phone app and a start ride button are some of the pieces.
It could be interesting if they make this wide.. you sign up get accepted and given free monthly fsd and basically can do "Uber" through Tesla's service instead.
It’s doing it in a much cheaper way. Waymo cars have tens of thousands of dollars of sensors. Tesla wants to do the same thing, but with only cameras and computer vision. If you can get the same results at a fraction of the costs, that’s going to good for profits and lower prices/more sales.
Apples and oranges honestly
Because they have been testing with a safety driver for any emergencies. Both California and Texas require a certain amount of testing with s safety driver before they allow full driverless. They have completed the testing (that's what they; have been doing the past few months) and the service starting in June will be fully autonomous.
when you are too scared to scream the car does it for you. on a semi related note, I assume that Telsa's ride hailing app denotes that they record everything in the car and so on? I expect idle chatter during the ride about the ride would be important but so would any involuntary gasps or such would be as well. last thing Tesla needs is any *oh shit* moments from riders
Eventually all of them. If the data shows that they’re safer than human drivers, it would be hard to argue against them. Short term I’m sure there will only be some that allow it but long term, how can you justify blocking something that could save the lives of your constituents?
they're just showing it's being fully tested with people supervising
it's being regulated at a federal level
No shit, im just wondering what OP's point is, when the entire video is them with a driver in the front seat.
Most people don't even click on the video, much less watch the whole thing. To the casual observer it may seem like they have unsupervised autonomous vehicles. They did that intentionally to mislead people. It's not a huge transgression, just an observation.
> Eventually all of them. I agree. Eventually. but not for decades more to come. The AI and the hardware is just not good enough to be **unsupervised** in all of them.
The federal level doesn't allow unsupervised self-driving
Remember that FSD video? https://youtu.be/VG68SKoG7vE?si=BdRNE1vB0UdKTP4h 2016... I am not sure they are being truthful again.
I think you’re overestimating how good humans are at driving. My job involves working with fire/EMS data and you’d be blown away seeing how many accidents that require a response there are. In the US, there are 5-6 million accidents per year resulting in roughly 40k deaths. There were 1.2 deaths per 100 million miles driven in 2023. I’m aware of 2 FSD deaths in roughly 4 billion miles driven. Obviously that’s supervised so not perfectly reflective of the car’s capabilities but if it weren’t safer, you’d expect the number of deaths to be higher, not ~20x less. That’s also including data from all previous versions when FSD is rapidly improving. Even if a self driving car is only 10x safer than a human, how could people justify letting 36,000 extra people die per year? The ~4,000 deaths would be horrifying but it’s literally a numbers game.
I'm an advocate for self-driving technology for someday being implemented but it's not anywhere near being unsupervised on our roads. At best the currently sold Teslas are level 4 autonomy, barely. Drivers don't have to be all "good" drivers to drive; human drivers have precedent for over a century; grandfathered in. AI there isn't any precedent for unsupervised self-driving. It's too dangerous considering rapidly changing conditions. For instance, if I'm driving along with FSD engaged and it starts raining hard suddenly, I have to take control especially with a Tesla that only has visual and no LIDAR (or even Radar since Elon ordered that turned off). If it's snowing even moderately out, I can't use FSD. There are many scenarios. My Tesla occasionally even brakes on highways from the shadow on the road from an overpass. That's the reality; it's not ready. At best, unsupervised self-driving cars will show up in very limited ways as a gimmick like a convention center, EPCOT, etc. that loops to very close by hotels. It will be tightly controlled.
June launch date? lol
Seems truthful in that they show a person sitting there in the driver seat. It's basically just integrated ride hailing which is just not something that people are going to care about.
Link to the tweet directly next time, what’s with engagement farming for these random websites?
Texas does not require testing with a safety driver. But then again, as long as you are testing, it doesn't hurt to have the safety driver.
Texas to begin with, since Texas law is incredibly friendly to the whole thing.
Do you have a law they passed that will allow unsupervised Self-driving city- or state-wide?
American law defaults to things being allowed. The general principle of American law is that there is a long rule book of what isn't allowed, and what isn't in the rule book is allowed. A better discussion is that Texas never passed a law about banning unsupervised self-driving, so things are allowed by default until they do pass a law like California.
> American law defaults to things being allowed. **Section 545.401 of the Texas Transportation Code** Reckless driving is defined as operating a vehicle in a manner that willfully disregards the safety of others or property. It involves displaying a wanton or willful disregard for the rules of the road or knowingly driving in a manner that poses a substantial risk of harm. I've already had this discussion with police in Texas as I was curious when I visited Texas and encountered off duty police through a friend (I asked in Arizona as well when I had the opportunity). The police will most certainly charge you under this law if you attempt to allow the car self-drive unsupervised such as sleeping at the wheel with a water bottle jammed in the steering wheel and sunglass to defeat the Tesla camera. You're "allowed" notion is Libertarian overthinking bovine scat.
>The police will most certainly charge you under this law if you attempt to allow the car self-drive unsupervised such as sleeping at the wheel with a water bottle jammed in the steering wheel and sunglass to defeat the Tesla camera. Sure, because you are using equipment in a way that is contrary to how the designers intended for it to be used.
xcancel is powered by [nitter which is opensource](https://github.com/zedeus/nitter) You can deploy your own version of it if you wanted to.
Only 5 years late after the original Robotaxi announcement
Waymo has to do the same thing when they go to a new city. “From March to May, the company will be in Nashville. A small fleet of Waymo cars will be traversing the city's streets for the next several weeks, but trained specialists will always be behind the wheels to take over if necessary.”
“From March to May, the company will be in Nashville. A small fleet of Waymo cars will be traversing the city's streets for the next several weeks, but trained specialists will always be behind the wheels to take over if necessary.” They are still required to do supervised drives anytime they enter a new area.
"Remember how Uber is a ride-hailing app? Well, we're going to do that too except we own the car and pay the driver."
In what way? In operating unsupervised vehicles... sure. But in terms of being able to roll out a massive number of cars without being dependent upon ordering vehicles from another manufacturer and then having to install tens of thousands of dollars of equipment on top? Well, Tesla are massively ahead there. Tesla are also ahead in terms of their cars operating on the interstate and being able to be rolled out into new locations without extensive mapping operations beforehand. So objectively the question becomes whether you think Tesla are going to get to unsupervised driving before Waymo solves all those other scalability issues.
They really should have opened it up to staff months ago, then gone friends and family 24/7, get all the edge cases that can happen. It will be interesting to see what will happen to uber and taxi prices when more waymo/tesla taxi options come out.
Cool. Another way to die in a Tesla
Well scalability is exactly why it’s apples and oranges.
How many Cybercabs has Tesla mass produced to date?
When it comes to Autonomous driving, the only real metric is "How many miles / KM has the car driven autonomously?" Waymo says their fleet has driven 25 million miles. Tesla has driven zero autonomous miles at SAE Level 3/4. Look. I'm a tesla fan. I've personally owned three teslas. Thanks to me, my sister, brother-in-law, father all have teslas. I'm still invested long in the company. I'm closer to the company than most people you will ever meet. But objectively speaking, Waymo is currently driving autonomously, while Tesla is not. All of this stuff about "scalability" is just a momentary distraction. Sure, tesla has shown they can build factories, and pump out vehicles at scale. But how many Cybercabs have been mass produced to date? Maybe the calculus changes in two or three years. But as an objective observer, you cannot say Waymo is not ahead of Tesla today.
I feel like they wouldn’t be actively recording audio unless necessary, my guess is after the ride you have the option to give feedback like when you leave a supercharger
I still see plenty of Waymo’s in Austin with people at the driver seat and passengers in the back, not all but lots
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Pathetic. Waymo’s been giving fully autonomous, unsupervised rides to the public since 2019.
Only one company has something to scale. Tesla does not have a driverless product and has no hardware capable of being driverless.
Are Waymo ahead in the number of miles driven unsupervised? Yes. Are Waymo ahead in the mass disruption of the taxi business? No. Both Tesla and Waymo have solved different aspects of that business model, with Tesla being objectively closer to solving the other aspects than Waymo.
They know unsupervised isn't perfected but have to give Wall Street the impression that it's coming soon to keep the stock from collapsing. It's the latest version of what he has been doing for the last decade. The driver is there because they know he will in fact need to intervene.
It's impossible to get all the edge cases as that is infinite.
Waymo is definitely ahead in the mass disruption of the taxi business. They do 250k+ paid rides a week and are said to have the same market share as lyft in SF. Tesla has nothing. Zero. So far its all a smokeshow. There is no metric by which Tesla is closer because they aren’t even in the market! I would love for my tesla to drive itself, but its not even close.
I guess that means anyone with a 2025 or older Model Y or a 2023 or older Model 3 can never be a robotaxi unless they add a retrofit for the rear screen
> I would love for my tesla to drive itself, but its not even close. That's the bit that's not true. It is close. They're demoing the car doing exactly that, and if you have a HW4 car with FSD installed then you can enjoy being driven around to a standard comparable to Waymo. > Tesla has nothing. Zero. So far its all a smokeshow They don't have zero, and it's not all a smokeshow, again that's a gross misinterpretation of where they are. FSD is out there, in use, every day. There's plenty of independent videos on YouTube if it's not something you can check out yourself. > They do 250k+ paid rides a week and are said to have the same market share as lyft in SF. Yeah, Waymo have made a great start. But once the Cybercab hits mass production, which should be at some point this year even if they end up being a few months late, they could end up building 250k vehicles in the next year, and will continue to scale beyond. How many years will it take for Waymo to roll out 1m cars? Tesla could do that within a couple of years between the cybercab and the privately owned fleet of vehicles if the service sees reasonable levels of adoption by owners. Could Waymo scale to that number of taxis in 5 years, even 10 years?
It is impossible to get 100%, but surely the more trips = more potential issues to discover?
If it’s cheaper than Uber, why wouldn’t people care about it?
Huh? I work downtown. Have literally never seen someone in the drivers seat of a Waymo.
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FSD isn’t currently unsupervised, and Tesla has no legal liability for a crash. So since you’re still the driver, it’s obvious that a cop would pull you over and take you in. Once FSD *is* unsupervised, and Tesla assumes liability that law goes out the window.
That taxi won't last two minutes in Boston.
Can’t believe I had to go this far down to find this comment. You can’t mass produce something that doesn’t work. If the car can’t drive fully autonomously, manufacturing it for scale means nothing
Never going to happen.
These would be the easier ones. It’s the unsupervised FSD that seems a quantum leap away.
Different technology and limitations. These cars are already mass manufactured whereas Waymo cars aren't. Why is this pathetic?
And the rest of the clip shows a safety driver. What's your point?
Tesla shares video? I don’t see any video!
I hope the FSD is more reliable than in my 2021 Model S Plaid. I am going to put one up for sale ASAP. The reason I purchased I FSD is a huge issue because it does not work. I am selling my Tesla of less than 45 days because the autopilot has done this to me more than not. It's also gotten me stuck in the middle of nowhere caused by a Solar storm affecting the GPS for 3 days. I'm selling this 55K mile 2021 Model S Plaid ASAP. Anybody near JAX FLA interested. Tile in hand. DM BOX Open
Would you actually bring one of these? I would not based on my own experience with my Model S. Almost ran into. Guy who exited. Gas station the wrong way pulling into the supercharger in Brunswick Georgia my car would have hit him if I wouldn't have taken over and you know it's funny it didn't even ask me to record what happened or anything strangely enough hopefully it's on video and they can see it because this thing's not reliable I'm scared of it and it just is really disappointing for the amount of money I paid for it.
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