Tesla will be launching a refreshed Model S/X later in 2025, according to Lars Moravy, VP of Vehicle Engineering. "Just give it a minute. We'll get there. The upgrade a few years a

Oh man the people with roadster deposits must be loving this.

Power to home

True v4 cabinets are coming out Q3 of this year, so I hope the refresh has 800v architecture. Would also love the tech from cybertruck to trickle down - like 48 volt low voltage.

Interior ambient lighting, front camera, steer by wire with rear wheel steer, make the track package with ceramics available as an option, not an accessory you install at the dealer.

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Scuttle but is the roadster is never coming because Tesla basically made the referral incentive so good that they owe a free roadster to not an insignificant amount of influencers, bloggers, media people, etc.

They also need SOMETHING to separate the S/X from the 3/Y besides a driver screen and slightly better technical specs.

Maybe there will be the possibility of HW5 release? S/X models have major upgrades first.

That's pretty much everything I would want to see, maybe add soft-close doors as well. It would be cool to have an electrochromic glass roof but I don't know how expensive that would be to add

Ride the Lightning interview. Moravy said "give it a minute" a couple of times. I wouldn't assume it means coming out this year given all the other stuff they are doing at the same time.

They’ll just give it a light bar like the new Y. It doesn’t sell in high enough volume to completely redo the car again with 800V/48V.

Couldn’t they all use it on a couple S or X ?

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Apart from the night and day more comfortable suspension, comfort, road isolation, better interior materials, larger size, comfier seats, more range and power? Yeah they’re not different enough lol at you thinking the driver screen is the only difference.

Already has better top end acceleration and much better suspension. Not much they can add besides the steer by wire and 800V technical stuff unless they go the trad automaker route of adding tons of creature comfort things which is absolutely unlike Tesla. They also had the rear screen before the 3/Y did but the updated model closed that gap there.

Considering HW4 is less than 2 years old, seems unlikely imo

The true competitors I see for the S is the Lotus Emaya and Polestar 5 all three are lift backs sedans. For the X NIO et9, Lucid Gravity, Rivian SUV? I think it needs a new platform for S/X? Since it share most parts with the Model 3. And the car has a long hood. So rgb, steer by wire, 800v architecture, shorter hood or cab forward design, 48v lv, blind spot indicator, bidirectional charging etc

I would like to see a powered frunk and a hitch as an option.

Are you kidding? I’d rather drive a Juniper than the current model X. Model X needs a total redesign, it’s so dated inside and out. They need to get rid of the falcon wings.

The Cybercab will probably have HW5 first. I did find this article, HW5 has been officially announced. [HW5 official announcement](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2081/tesla-officially-announces-fsd-hardware-50-and-how-it-compares-to-hardware-40)

Also 120/240V power outlets.

Dated? It got a refresh in 2021 and its interior is miles ahead of the 3 and Y, especially in materials and comfort. Driving an X or S makes the 3 and Y feel like what they actually are, economy cars. I dont see what you like more about Junipers interior more than the refreshed S/X, seriously, apart from the ambient lighting there is nothing those cars offer more (again talking about interior only).

It was a second gen roadster specific incentive. Something like 1% off the price for every 2 referrals or something like that.

Class action coming

They need to up game make it contender in USA & CN. Otherwise, insufficient scale will bite them, for reals going fwd given where Chinese are going

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He actually does. Whether it's a "big" refresh or just adding some other updates, who knows. Start at 48:07 https://youtu.be/VPFgMHvSkMg?si=ApLotQVHJvx2Im1E

Imagine believing what a random redditor says.

But people will only read the headline and upvote it despite the most important part ("2025") being completely made up.

The falcon wings are arguably the biggest selling point of the Model X. They could need to be refined or rearchitected in some way but that’s a major selling point and distinguisher over other Tesla models.

Falcon wings are my #1 reason

The falcon wings are the root of most the model X mechanical and structural problems, as well as increased cost of insurance. They had to build the car around the falcon wings, leading to all sorts of problems. Like the lack of head space clearance over the 2nd row seats.

What? Falcon doors are a signature feature and they're pretty great. MX also has auto-closing doors which none of the other Teslas have which I wish they would put on the MS at least. Although I find SUVs super unappealing, MX absolutely mogs the MY no doubt.

Meanwhile your passengers rather ride in the current MX than a Juniper. See how often their heads clear the doorway/roof especially in the 7 seater versions.

Hope whatever it is allows them to sell in RHD countries again

Google search says ~80 roadsters through that program. I really doubt a $20 million (retail price) expense is going to cause them to cancel the project. My guess is the fact the 4680 cells aren't living up to their predicted performance is the main reason.

HW5 has been announced to the shareholders to come out in H2 2025, so it’s not too far off.

I’d like to see, not in any particular order of importance - Steer by wire - Power frunk - Rear wheel steering - Massaging seats - Digital rear view mirror - Front bumper camera - Ambient lighting - Heads up display(don’t really care for it but many vehicles have it) - Better interior material, like they gave the Model Y Just overall want the S and X to feel more luxurious and worthy of their price tag

Please let it be a Plaid+ Please let it be a Plaid+ Please let it be a Plaid+ 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

Tesla has promised a lot of things. Eventually, that’s where things tend to end up.

It’s about time. S and x are so far behind in their class now

What are you claiming exactly?

Could be, how long has it been since the 2170s came out? 7 years? Are the LFPs even still used? They’ve really stagnated battery tech since then while the Chinese have not. It’s kind of nuts a launch model 3 is pretty much the same powertrain as a modern one.

Considering that I still drive a 2015 Model S, and have not yet seen any reason to upgrade (besides getting a bigger battery), I'm definitely wondering what's in the works. (Mind you, I've already upgraded the things in my car that were upgradable, like adding LTE and eventually MCU2, the latter being a huge quality-of-life improvement for everyday use.)

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Catching up Rapidly Especially if you look at companies like BYD

BYD does batteries that last 1 million miles now

Hopefully not a god damn unibrow headlight.

What does that even mean

I think the low volume is the reason the WILL do 48v. It cost so much less to halt production on the S and X. They can use them for new features again.

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Same, I'm happy with my 2017 100D. Free premium connectivity, MCU2 and FSD upgrade after they lowered the price. Why upgrade? Slightly different looks and a bit faster? While losing my free perks? Need more reasons to upgrade, waiting on the new refresh

Redesign

And Right Hand Drive

Yup, guarantee it won’t have 800V

I just watched the podcast and I didn’t take “some love” as a full scale refresh. Anyone else?

Will they ever do a complete Chasis redesign?

How about offering the S/X refresh from a few years ago to the rest of the world before once again over promising and under delivering to keep the hype train going. Working auto wipers for new models please.

$250,000 in TSLA, or really any index fund would be worth so much today. Those poor reservation holders.

I mean... it makes sense if it doesn't really come at a cost/downside. It will likely create a pretty good secondary market for using older batteries in other products (home batteries, maybe commercial vehicles/buses, grid storage, etc).

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> they're pretty great. Can’t use roof racks, sensor/reliability issues on my 2018 (sensing nothing or transiently sensing something so it opens only partially), plus water dripping inside the car if I don’t keep the seals clear (lots of pine needles and dirt in the PNW). > MX also has auto-closing doors I do quite like this, but I hate the motors or whatever kicking in when it senses an obstacle next to me making it annoying opening the doors (I need to pull the door in to release the motor or whatever before I can slowly manually open the door)

I know that it’s A LOT more than 80. It’s at least a few hundred.

He literally said “we’ll give it some love later this year.”

Multiply it x 5, in the grand scheme of things $100 million (again retail, so you could chop it down by 40% for an estimate gross margin/actual cost) and I still say that it isn't going to be the major reason for delaying/cancelling the project.

Tesla has promised a lot of things that turned out so far not to have been true.

I listened to this interview and it came across as "we'll give it a minor refresh." I would be surprised to see any major changes such as 800v, steer by wire, etc.

How many cars could last a million miles if they didn’t wear as badly as ICE engines do.

When you agree, just upvote the comment.

"Some love" could be many things. Maybe they're just adding a front bumper camera, for example. There's no evidence that a full refresh is coming this year. Also, do you have a timestamp for that quote?

Would guess most of the features from Cybertruck will be implemented like 48v, rear wheel steering, vehicle to grid, 4680 structural pack, gigacastings, plus general improvements and upgrades to everything

Ambient lighting for sure. Hopefully not the light bar headlights on the X. Maybe the S.

i just came from an audi e-tron, and believe me, the X isn't behind in its class. how many cars can you even find these days with soft-touch materials all the way down to the bottom of the door? or adaptive suspension? or a front window that goes over your head? the X and a high-end audi are about the same price, but the X blows audi out of the water in every possible way except the seats.

or the huge front window, suspension, power doors, power rear seats, much bigger screen that tilts towards you, etc. going from an X to a 3/Y really hurts when you get one as a loaner. (though i love the Y and would still rather drive it than most any other car.)

LUCID air is what the model s should be.

Wait S/X don’t come in right hand?

https://youtu.be/VPFgMHvSkMg?si=ApLotQVHJvx2Im1E 49:21

No point ..no one will buy Tesla now

Same, it’s why I fell in love with it, and later sold my Model Y and bought it. The front automatic doors are also quite nice.

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Wife and I chose a Y because we couldn't put a roof rack on an X.

The same VP (Lars) said it will come and has meetings about it regularly

I'm checking in with a 2018 LR at 110k mile. Currently, the health check shows 76% capacity retention. Not looking good given my warranty ends at 120k. A 1-million mile battery would be a marvel. Edit: Spelling.

Not anymore, they pulled it a year or so ago

They used to, but they discontinued the RHD version after the 2021 refresh (after accepting preorders for them for like 3 years only to disappoint everyone)

A lot longer than a year. S and X haven’t been available here in Australia for like 4 years at this point.

Ah wow you’re right! Man time flies 😧

Especially if these same owners will be advertising for Tesla.

Steer by wire would make RHD manufacturing quite a bit easier and justifiable.

They need to turn those two into ACTUAL luxury vehicles instead of luxury priced vehicles. However investors need them to release something ACTUALLY new to increase sales volumes.. The Volumes on the S and X are very small vs the 3 and Y

The answer is that the battery can still be recycled.

I love the Lucid Air, but Tesla’s charging network and software still has them beat

Powered hitch would be great. Tow hitch is permanently on ours, even if it is only used a couple times a year. Much cleaner look if I could hide it easily.

Thanks! Just wanted to quickly verify the claim because it'll likely be a day or two before I'm able to listen to the entire thing.

I do not like the wings.

I know not everyone needs it, but bigger towing capacity and a 400 mile top range.

That could just be "we are announcing a refresh". Doesnt mean its coming this year or next.

that can be solved with a Tesla grab/poke stick LOL

800V for faster charging on v4

This is pretty much my list too, maybe with V2H charging if we’re lucky

The exact number is not important; it might as well be infinite for practical purposes. The point is that the battery isn’t a limiting factor and will last far longer than the lifetime of the vehicle.

Later in 2025 means 2034??

Really hoping this brings down the price of used model s’s. Would love to get a better deal.

Exactly: [https://youtu.be/xtVE1I1SoRw?si=2BQKGICzJKMYSf8u](https://youtu.be/xtVE1I1SoRw?si=2BQKGICzJKMYSf8u) No matter what happens to the battery, re-purposed or not, it can be recycled to a better battery if it's just a waste of atoms, and atoms don't wear. Skip to around 14mins for the cool part about his Redwood Materials. There's now millions of EVs on the roads, so the "mine above ground" is already starting to get big. This is readily available material not requiring opening a new mine.

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Wonder if these will again come in RHD

Oh I actually agree with you that the freebies aren’t the reason. I’d even lower the actual cost of manufacturing even more. Except for the magical/mystical SpaceX package with air thrusters (that will never actually happen), the roadster probably will cost about the same to manufacture as the Model S. Maybe even less if they incorporate all the modern changes like the CT like the 48 volt busses.

RHD variant

What app did you use to check the health?

Have you watched the latest BYD Tang charging video? Apparently the blade batteries have major issues with thermal management and charging.

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Lucid Air is colossally margin negative. Model S has been GM positive since 2012. Think of the technology and cost developments in batteries and power electronics over that time. Unconscionable that Air is so loss making in 2025.

Anywhere they use road salt, about as many as we see gas cars.

They have been also making change to cell chemistry on the 2170. Just because the format factor stay the same doesn’t mean the stuff inside is the same.

Wasn’t it just a $1000 deposit to hold your place in line? I doubt anyone who actually wants one is sweating over $1k

No where did he say they will be launching later this year. "Give it a minute, we will give it some love later this year". Sounds like they will be working on it later this year, not launching.

Yep, these ppl are crazy

Yeah I am not feeling it on the Model Y. Fan renders for the S look good but it reminds me too much of Lucid. On the X, I fear it would look goofy and we had been waiting to pull the trigger on an X until after the rumored refresh.

> Would also love the tech from cybertruck to trickle down - like 48 volt low voltage. The Cybertruck was a test bed for a whole bunch of new tech. It could fail to sell well and still be a successful proof of concept.

250k for the first 1000 “founders editions” 50k for the others

Good friend just bought a Rivian after driving an X. The X is way behind for someone that is looking to haul their family around town.

Agree with everything except heads up display is stupid IMO. I had it on many previous cars and it was distracting most of the time. Also new Model S/X have really high quality interior materials, far better than the Model Y (even more so than Juniper).

Yes but I get the same best in class software and charging network experience as a model 3 owner, the S needs to be a more compelling car.

I missed it at first too, but Lars did said “we’ll give it some love you know later this year” around 49:22 timestamp. You can also read it in the YouTube transcript.

Oh so you think Roadster is never coming out? Just like Cybertruck and all the others?

Lars said “we’ll give it some love you know later this year” around 49:22 timestamp. You can also read it in the YouTube transcript.

Real world Energy efficiency improved from 377 Wh/miles to just 309 Wh/miles going from 2017 X to 2023 X impressed me the most. 18% less energy per mile for a vehicle with essentially the same shape, size and weight. I think e-tron is in the 400s Wh/miles range? Lucid Gravity might be the only 7-seat EV that can match or might even beat the X’s efficiency and will have longer range due to the bigger battery size on the more expensive models.

Nice list. I would move there heads up display though. I get warnings when looking at the screen to pay attention to the road.

I hope they allow for an OEM ambient light retrofit for the 2021+ cars. Im pretty sure they already have the connectors ready for it in the cars.

Oh man curious about the next full refresh , saving up

I’ve sat in and driven the Juniper and the S/X and the Junipers materials feel more high quality

Not really stupid, it was a way to boost the stock when it was low, making them seem like a faster growing company than they were. It accomplished the short term goal and helped them secure funding / higher valuations

My S runs 9s. Pretty big difference. Also better suspension etc.

Lars said “we’ll give it some love you know later this year” around 49:22 timestamp. You can also read it in the YouTube transcript.

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I just test drove the new Y Juniper. It's so silent, comfortable, and feels so so good driving it, I actually liked it more than my 2018 S 100D. The Infotainment system is very fast and crispy compared to my MCU2. For the last couple of years, most of the software updates for my S are "Bugfixes and performance improvements". So I would love to see a new S with all the updates the other commenters have posted but specially with a much higher real world range.

Can we make the X either into an SUV with normal doors or slap some sliders on it? Shit go Zeekr Mix style doors, and I'd heavily consider it... The falcon wing doors are stupid and make the glass roof inside look horrible.

Yeah I just didn’t expect it to be so rapid. When the original model 3 came out, it had the chrome and then people started doing chrome delete and then Tesla made it standard. So they do seem to be adapting to trends. Hopefully the MX refresh isn’t too crazy.

Yes, they're not going to say "....xyz is launching". And we all know Tesla timelines don't operate the same as a regular calendar 😜

I'll bet that the 1st 1000 was to simply launder illegal money in to help fund the company without ever having intention of delivering. The people who paid 1k to wait in queue after are the real suckers but I'm sure they aren't crying over that money anymore.

chat with the video transcript here [https://www.cofyt.app/search/episode-499-special-guest-tesla-engineering-vp-lar-Vus59w5eL1D9KpkEy0wM3H](https://www.cofyt.app/search/episode-499-special-guest-tesla-engineering-vp-lar-Vus59w5eL1D9KpkEy0wM3H)

Can we get the front doors on the S too perchance?

2018 AWD LR with 165000. How do you do the health check?

whoever bought a 250k car on impulse probably doesnt really care that much. If they wanted to invest in tesla at the time, they couldve. And if that was like 20% of their assets, then ... well. someone has to make mistakes.

$250k that could’ve been $5M is still a hefty loss regardless.

If they don't put the CT's tech into the X/S then what are they even doing? Steer by wire, 48v architecture, and etherloop (I don't see the X/S needing the rear-wheel steering). Those 3 are game-changers.

Weird that it doesn’t have them. I love being able to walk up to it and my doors just open by themselves, sit my fatass in without touching the door, press the brake, door closes, and I’m off. Then when I get out and walk away, my door closes by itself as I’m walking away. Literally not having to touch doors like a filthy peasant (/s) has the same feeling as it did going from ICE to Tesla and not having to start/turn off the car/engine.

Or all powered doors like the Lotus Emaya?

Agree with all of this. Lots of features they need to add to differentiate it to the 3/y.

Yeah I got an X as a loaner once and it was so nice. One day Tesla will make a car as good as my 2017 S. Bring back the sunroof too!

Why not? Besides concerns around functionality or complexity, I think they’re badass. Keep in mind the front automatic doors are also awesome, I love my Model X.

The e-tron is 400 Wh/mi if you're lucky. 450-500 is more common, especially in cold weather, where the X is getting around 300 consistently even below freezing. It's remarkably more efficient despite having way more headroom and interior size. Oh, and being more than twice as fast. Jesus is this thing fast. You want to accelerate from 55 to 75 to pass? Pretty much done in an instant, and by the way, you're accidentally going 90. Going from 25 to 65 to merge into traffic? One mississippi. Never have I owned a car that was so nicely designed and so much fun to own and drive. And every month or so there's a little present of some new functionality or improvement. By the end of my lease the car will be quite a bit different than the one I was given. Not everything is perfect, but so far it's night and day compared to the miserable experience of owning an Audi or BMW, which were my last two cars. The Germans are dead, that's for goddam sure. And I think Tesla may be the only American company with a chance of competing with Asia.

I am completely open to reasons why, but that was zero of them. I am sure Rivians are fantastic, but not sure why they would be better for a family of four, except for perfectly reasonable but subjective reasons. Believe me, I'm rooting for Rivian, too, but it's hard to argue that Tesla is behind them. The Tesla drove me all the way from Boston to NYC, and it was amazing. Handling the complexity of getting into Manhattan way better than I would've. Chargers everywhere (which I guess Rivian can use now, too) and was an absolutely pleasurable trip due to the Tesla.

Can we get a new platform that is not 10 years old? Sales numbers have proven slapping a new front end on the same body for the last 10 years is not working.

Thinking that way is wrong. If you wanted to put that money in you couldve. Its not like there was 0 risk. Playing the market is easy afterwards ...

Probably not, the ROI is not there.

What year were the S/X?

They felt like the R1 was setup more like a traditional SUV, that was the main reason they went with it. Riding it, I found there were several refinements that made me think the S/X platform needs some updating to catch up with the state of the art.

I just think they're annoying and wish they were an option vs the only option. But I am not mad about it, just not my cup o tea

That's not what the definition of a loss is.

Before we get our hopes high…. are we sure a minute is within a year? Seems overzealous bull case to me…

How much is the minimum deposit on a roadster? Do people have serious money locked up?

Tesla's market cap January 2018 was worth 212x more than those reservations. In other words, it was less than half of one percent of the market cap.

Whoever put 250k down 6 years ago definitely isn’t missing it

I'll have to listen again, but that's not exactly what I think Lars said. He did say the Roadster 2 is coming, it is still being worked on, and should arrive before 2028. His exact words were, "that's the 20th anniversary of the original" I understood his comments on S and X to be that it *will* get updated, but not needed right now. Which it isn't. Personally I'd rather see their current path, Semi needs a lot of attention, just for megachagers if nothing else, and either Robocab and/or Model 2, and probably a Sprinter/Transit equivalent. I think you have to listen carefully to Lars, but I trust him to not let himself over promise.

I would add HW5 to your list. I love my 2023 MS but if my current HW4 is not upgradable, I would consider new S. To me, FSD is most valuable feature of my car.

Model X fits everything for me, would just love to see it be more "luxury" on the inside. We should be thinking of the next steps for vehicles as we enter the true self-driving age: * Better dust seals, more range, power share, and give me another 5" of lift at 10mph or less with self leveling. * Rear of the vehicle should be taller ... After all the Model X is really a 'lambo-van', isn't it? * Massaging Seats that are all around far more comfortable. I put seat massaging in my X first-thing, and foot massagers too. * 4 Captains chairs in the back and with FSD going level 5 soon, make the 2 front seats captains chairs. Make them all swivel and go full-recliner to sleep on those long drives (or nap on the short ones), or all swivel to face each other. Make them on a track to slide them forward and maximize the cargo area when needed. Make them auto-shape from bed-flat to body-hugging. * Windshield goes from all-clear to all-dark. At night I want to see the stars better! If I could get a non-tinted windshield today, I would! * I love the Falcon Wing doors, they're so much fun when partying with friends and the speakers are overhead. I'd be happy with moving them to the front doors and making the back doors sliders... Or all falcon doors! But truth be told, they were designed for tight spaces, which with summon and/or the press of a button on your phone doesn't matter anymore.... So just give us double sliding doors on each side. The Model X is the best vehicle on the market for people who live to have fun, who have friends, who go to events, who go to festivals, who go to games, who go on janky dirt roads (but don't need to truly off-road), etc.

I don't want them to change the design much. I think the model s after the 2016 refresh is the best looking 4 door car on the road. If they add a damn light bar I'm not considering another Tesla for my next car.

2024/2025, also liked the steering wheel haptics in the Juniper better

Agreed. Rear wheel steering is a gimmick.

Mainly build quality, ride, and nvh. The model x is either too floaty and underdamped before settling down or too firm. Interior had a rattle from the back and squeak from front dash. And not nearly as quiet at German competitors, lucid, and even Chinese cars a quieter

Not miles above the redesigned 3 and Y. I’ve driven both, and think the highland M3 feels on par than the 2024 MS in terms of materials. The ride in the new highland M3 is better than the MS, but that could be because I prefer a sportier ride. 2024 MS was too floaty/boat-like for me.

I think it's useful in big vehicles to help with the turn radius and handling, but would be useless in X/S.

💯

Absolutely agree with your last line. Love my X but feels like the minimalism is great for dashboard but not other areas. All things you listed are staples expectations from other cars in similar price range. Might add more comfortable back seats. As of now it feels like not having enough cushion. Also, having easy buttons to move the back seats instead of manually moving the seats as if it's a 1980s car. Even Kia has such a nice easy button to move the back seats. There is only so much you can convince yourself for acceleration and Falcon wings.

I just hope they keep the floating logo on the front.

Here in Chicago they are not welcome!

Sorry have to downvote because this is not confirmed at all. I listened to that section of the podcast and he does not at any time say they will be "launching" a refresh. He does say "give it a minute" but his statement after is "we'll give it some love later this year, make sure it gets a little bit of the stuff that we've been putting in 3 and Y". That wording to me, coming from someone in engineering, means that they plan on starting work on the refresh later this year. All it's saying to me is that the S and X refresh is not even in the works yet but it will be at some point this year. I'm quite certain it will take longer than a few months (or I'd hope it would) to go from redesign to launch, so who knows. Point is that you are stating this like it is fact "Tesla will be", that is pure speculation on your part. All they've announced is that they will start working on it this year.

Several people wanting to know how you did your battery check. Is this the process where you have to get into the diagnostic menu then do a full 0-100% charge?

Make sure your car is plugged into a 6 kW charger. Open the menu -> software. On "Model 3", press and hold the O until you see a pulse. The pass code is "service". Once the service menu is open, navigate to High Voltage->HV system->Health Test. It takes 24 hours to complete, follow the on screen instructions carefully. Good luck!

The turn radius on my 2017 MS is awful. Having all four wheels turn would be great.

Both cars need a complete redesign. Not a small refresh, they will continue to not sell well even after a massive refresh if they continue to look as they did 10 years ago.

Tesla is a taxi car company

The built-in service app via the touchscreen.

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These need a complete exterior redesign or sales will still suck.

I hope you're right. It was just the way he says "we'll give it some love" came across to me like "we'll refresh the interior with nicer materials and ambient lights." But yes I hope we're getting the full Cybertruck treatment in terms of technology and features and agree that doing it with low volume vehicles makes sense.

I like mine but my wife does not, particularly on -30°C days up here in Canada. Need to preheat for at least 25 minutes to clear the ice from the glass panel joints and even then any ice buildup by the doors or latches results in multiple disconnect attempts (latch clicking a lot) and requires multiple pushes outside or interacting with the screen to force it open each time until it's warm enough for the ice to disappear. They're quite the hassle in the winter.

Sounds more like a promise to begin teasing a refresh (i.e. concept/marketing/mule testing) to get the rumor mill going before the end of the year

V2H or V2G would be another very welcomed addition

Have YOU been in the Juniper Model Y?

I have it on my 5-series. Love it! The turn radius on the S or any Tesla is quite bad

Goodbye to waiting for the new Y Performance; hello to waiting for the new Model X

Fair! It certainly needs an aesthetic refresh.

My Audi had way more rattles, but that’s just anecdotal. I agree the X is way too noisy.

I am hoping for CT tech but he only mentioned improvements from 3/Y. I have 2023 MS LR and i am def going to buy 2025/2026 if it is real upgrade.

HW5 coming. HW4 will be getting the HW3 treatment very soon.

I heard it can go from 0 to 1939

I wonder how many Roadsters they would produce and what the actual profit margin would be on them. It’s a tough market to bring out a super high end EV today.

Need the x to look like R1S

PLEASE NO LIGHT BAR!!! For the LOVE of EVERYTHING HOLY; NOOOOOO LIGHTBAR!

Excellent list! I’d love most of that. Except, digital rearview mirror and heads up display will probably not make it. I’m really hoping they have the same electric architecture as the CT. The higher speed charging would be awesome!

PowerShare/Vehicle to home bidirectional charging is my must have feature. I need the added 100 kWh flexibility added to my powerwall system.

Meh, apple strategy. Same frame just minor updates. The x needs an entirely new generation update if they want to compete with the competition of big ev 3 row SUVs. The x sucks as a 3 row compared to the all other manufacturers.

I mean it’s like the Honda Accord to the civic, gets better hardware before the Model 3 and everything trickles down

They don't even sell them anymore in right hand drive markets.

They could make a Powerwall mandatory to enable V2H. Create more sales that way

I've got a 2020sr with 120k miles, sitting about the same in retention. I think my warranty is over. >.<

They are only REFRESHING this thing AGAIN? So this refresh will put it into at least 2029. The bones of this car came out in like 2011!! This is encroaching on 1990s E class supporting 2008-2024 Dodge Charger levels of time here

I'll admit, the S still looks good. It still has modern proportions and hasnt aged much. BUT the X. It really needs an all new structure to be competitive. That belt line and the size of the windows along with rear 3/4 is not even close to en vogue these days. Theres no way they run that back and sell many.

Tesla has nothing to compete with REAL 3 row EVs. In terms of a 3 row suv that can grow with the family and as the kids grow, the Y and X are a joke. Rivian R1, EV9, upcoming ioniq 9, gravity, etc all are superior 3 row vehicles by a mile.

This junk dealer is heading for bankruptcy. Tesla will not exists 5 years from now

600 miles of range

Feature request: BMS ‘Battery Temp Priority’ to keep optimal temp when plugged in, & unplugged w/ timer. Shows snowflake icon too often-pls help battery health! Power frunk hood. Insulated frunk with drain. Make glove box a safe. Different blower speed settings for left and right. Eliminate side mirrors, use cameras All the cyber truck best features Make the rear deck level when the back seats are put down. Optional wrap around tent for an open rear hatch; and make hatch that can support it. Transparent solar panel integrated into roof glass, good for trickle charging/battery health.

So, the same kind of updates the 3 and Y got recently? Whatever the updates it won’t sell in Canada or Western Europe given EM’s antics, it needs to meet or beat competitor pricing or too many will sit on the lots.

As an OWNER of a model s, give us some decent fucking brakes. The brakes on a plaid is lethal and paying a premium for upgraded brakes is ridiculous. The model S is fine. Just brakes ffs.

I don’t have a separate service app. And the Service section of settings doesn’t have any battery info. 2020 M3.

They could add better battery cells. It's much easier to do it for S/X (much smaller production/sales) than for 3/Y.

Have a 2019 Model X performance (raven) which I'm loving - wishlist to see in refresh: new MCU / HW computers/cams, RHD, return of steam gaming app, car to house battery functionality , heads up display, Starlink integration (turn the car into a giant router) for friends to use at festivals etc, AC plug socket and a return of radar / add lidar on high end teslas in addition to vision (hopefully with trickle down to 3 and Y if results are good). Secondary screen/s moved into the back of seat headrests / or some form of motion sickness software for the secondary screen like iPhones do with the dots when looking down in motion. I guess a steam deck and a jackery/anker battery pack would be a lot cheaper than swapping the car though and if I got a powerwall down the line the house to battery thing maybe wouldn't really be much use. Mostly wishlist is nice to have stuff if I'm forced to upgrade at some point as would deffo go X again with 4 kids.

“There is only so much you can convince yourself for alleviation and Falcon wings.”

Yes, you run the built in battery diagnostic, aka "HV battery health check" program. It gives you a % once completed.

He's actually correct. Everything under the sheet metal was brand new in 2021. They forgot that the general public sees the exterior body panels when they shop for a new car🙄

Yup. 4680 was fairly groundbreaking WHEN they announced them. Failure to produce means that they are yesterdays news in the battery industry

Agreed, they did amazingly well early on. But the Chinese are not in the slightest bit embarrassed about stealing anyone else's advancements. Why spend billions on research when someone else will do it for you? They think the West are idiots

Then the west stopped developing and the Chinese moved on without them

Boring design. Great tech. Not cost effective. Anyone can build a great car for that price

The yoke and stalkless never made sense without steer-by-wire. S and X sorely miss a 48V arch and steer-by-wire.

I agree that it seems a bit ridiculous to ask for down payments on something that hasn't even been released yet. However, I think a lot of what the Roadster has become has influenced other models. The S & X Plaid series likely gained from its development. At that price point, Tesla has the opportunity to introduce cutting-edge technologies, and by the time it’s finally revealed, it will probably be much more advanced than what was initially announced back in 2017. Regarding Tesla's delay with the Roadster, they do have a track record of announcing ambitious projects and refining them over time. Take the Cybertruck, for instance; it has changed quite a bit from its original design. Perhaps they are waiting for advancements in battery technology—like fully ramping up 4680 cell production—or other breakthroughs to ensure the Roadster is a true game-changer. Still, taking money for years without a solid release date doesn’t reflect well on them.

Weird request but the dual subwoofers and amp setup from the refresh 3

It reminds me of a VW bug.

I would love to see teslas do turns completely autonomously

Would be nice. I'm hoping for a new interior (unlikely), and some redesign in the back of the car, mainly the taillights and the weird badge in the center (very tacky).

Interior was literally updated on 2023 and up.. it’s a massive improvement

Potential unrealized gains are not losses.

Hope rear wheels alignment issue will be finally resolved, and tires would last more than 8k miles.

Chainsaw!!

Hope they get rude of the giant frontal gap

Better wipers FFS a rav4 has better quality wipers than a model S. The quality needs a big step up.

I read that 3rd line as "rear steering wheel" and thought I'd had a stroke. I'm an engineer that's worked with steering systems for a significant portion of my career. Steer by wire, rear steering, etc. are fascinating systems that staristically cause less accidents, but also create a less aware user. As long as we make things easier on a user, the user becomes lazier. I've had the pleasure of working on both sides of the automotive industry, as OEM and Supplier. Tesla is by far one of the most efficient developers in the game, today, and they truly are masters of risk assessment. As an engineering manager leading the development of new technologies with Tesla, I love it. As a stakeholder in both my company's growth and Tesla's long term stability, I just about shit myself before every meeting. That said, I am equally excited for the updates and I'm hopeful that the entire package returns the car to the competitive "luxury" market.