Full Self-Driving v13.2.7 now rolling out.

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The update (2024.45.32.15) is also rolling out to HW3 vehicles currently on V12.6.3 (2024.45.32.10); however, unlike the AI4 vehicles, it still includes the same FSD build. To be clear, this update includes V13.2.7 for AI4, and V12.6.3 for HW3 vehicles.

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Do you think this will affect Tesla shares?

I'm not sure how much individual Full Self-Driving builds make much of a difference to the stock, especially with no changes in release notes. (not financial advice)

What’s new in this update ?

For AI4 vehicles, it has FSD V13.2.7 (new), but nothing new in the release notes. For HW3 vehicles, just bug fixes as it contains the same FSD build (V12.6.3).

No

Still waiting for v13 on HW3 … the curse of early supporters…

When is FSD coming to Europe?

Don't care...

Enough to comment at least.

Tesla sales are dropping like a boulder.

13.2.2 is already so impressive. I feel we’ve hit that paradigm where additional training and data has been yielding models that are tantalizingly close to FSD unsupervised. I’ve driven from city to city in heavy traffic and weird lane changes and highways in-between with no manual input. I feel far more relaxed and confident in the drive as well.

Is that right?

I agree. It’s so impressive to see it figure out - in real time, effortlessly- unusual traffic flows and situations. I just want it to open my garage and park for me now.

Let's hope this goes to those of us stuck on 13.2.2 (*not* 13.2.2.1). They [found an issue](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2534/tesla-confirms-fsd-update-issue-fix-coming) where 13.2.2 wasn't updating.

lol never if these shitbrained VW & Mercedes teet sucking policy makers that know nothing about technology have their way. They will have a meeting in March about preparing for the meeting in 2026 where they say they will have a plan for autonomous driving. So a plan, but no laws, in 2026, unless you're Mercedes, in which case that garbage is fine. Remember, if any single camera has an issue, the whole system should turn off! Because that makes sense! I hate these people so much. Not holding my breath for any actual regulation change in Marchm If anything they're probably ruin more features... again. VW needs more time....

They may seem that way but they aren't remotely close to unsupervised. I can't go a week without having to intervene for safety reasons. A critical safety reason comes up every month or two. That's an amazing ADAS, but several orders of magnitude from general unsupervised.

You say early supporters but my 2023 MYLR is on HW3

This is just one news source that is reporting the dramatic drop. Sales are way off in the U.S. as well. https://www.ft.com/content/ea2329e4-b4bc-4e2d-be34-e9a8ea31129c

True , others are also in the same boat for v13. With a 2018 p3d , I had hw 2.5 which I suspect means even with HW3 , there are other hardware difference - maybe that’s why I don’t even have 12.6 yet

Agreed, it’s an incredible ADAS and I basically never drive anymore, but it’s not ready for unsupervised yet. Just yesterday I had to make two critical safety interventions—one to keep it from running one of those metered red lights on an off ramp (the car was accelerating to highway speed and was going to just blow through the light) and another to keep it from turning right in front of a stopped city bus (dangerous and illegal). Those should never happen on an unsupervised system. Amazing software that truly blows my mind almost every day, but I think people don’t realize just how good it has to be to drive unsupervised.

You nailed it. German protectionism. They’re only against protectionism and discrimination when it’s someone else doing it.

Exactly that. We could possibly see limited L3 unsupervised inside of two years i think (similar to Mercedes) but L4 I would be amazed to see within 5 years with existing in car tech. (And I say that as someone who is completely satisfied having spent 20k on FSD in the last year and a half.)

FSD absolutely breaks with ramp meters and I don’t know why, it shows red lights on screen and still barrels through full speed. Yesterday it turned onto an exit ramp at full speed crossing multiple solid lines. It was going straight like it would pass it but Nav showed the turn and it went crazy at the last second. 98% of the time FSD is magical but that 2% is psychotic

Can we not post X links please? Use this instead: [https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2024.45.32.15/release-notes](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2024.45.32.15/release-notes)

No

What do you care about then? Enlighten us. 😀

I want the minimal lane changes button back.

Why isn’t this just an option that can be set once?! Sigh.

I still won’t get it for whatever reason

There aren't any meaningful differences. My 2018 is on 12.6.3.

13 likely isn't coming to HW3. Seems it's just two seperate branches where they pull improvements from 13 into 12.6.x

Honestly that's the main reason I turned it off. I'm usually navigating rush hour traffic and I know what lane I want to be in, I can't stand it trying to tell me otherwise

You mean you don't like when you have to make a right turn in 0.1 miles and the car gets you into the left lane to pass a car going 1 mph under the speed limit? Adds to the excitement in traffic! /s

Same!

Keep your head on a swivel!

Same

Besides not being able to do school zones still… somehow

It’s EU wide but yeah Germany has the cards.

And for it to KEEP SPEED on freeways and not revert to 65mph despite limit being 80 and others driving faster

Please someone tell me how to fix this! It’s driving me nuts!!!

Also same! Setting it every drive was annoying but not crazy for long trips. No option at all sucks, just switched back to base AP on my last long drive. Definitely less smooth but reliable and no hassle.

Same. It's so much worse now.

nothing like an $8k feature we'd rather turn off. bang for buck autopilot is superior, even in how it drives on freeway. i shutoff every free trial of fsd because it drives so embarrassingly.

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I have 13.2.2 and you need to pay attention for hiccups. Looking forward to the update!

Going almost an entire week without a safety intervention is a huuuuge step forward compared to 2024, progress!!!

Except there's times it's two or three in a single drive still. I can't get a run of a week without one. It needs to be months between them, and decades between critical interventions. I'm not saying it isn't great progress, but it's maybe 10 percent of the progress they need.

I haven’t had good results with 13.2.6, missing easy right turns in communities it used to do fine before. Also had a panic stop making a left turn across one lane with a car coming which was nowhere close. I’m back to not trusting it unfortunately.

Now rolling out. You do know tesla take months to update cars less of the rollout wording

I just want it to hold my freaking set speed. So frustrating.

Yes I'd like the update that calls my car from my put in spot to pick me up from kayaking this summer please. Game changer.

Chill should be minimal lane changes to the point where FSD will only pass to give room to disabled or emergency vehicles on the shoulder or for a dump truck going 40 in a 65.

>it’s EU wide That was Germany’s doing on the European Commission for autonomous driving.

Missed sales targets in 2024. January was bad too. Which was possibly aggravated by, shall we say, CEO activities. The widely anticipated Juniper Y finally started sales recently. So it's possible people were holding out for that (either to get the latest and greatest model, or to capitalize on price reductions to move out the last of the previous Model Ys) Tesla stock up ~100% YoY. Not bad overall.

Ok now compare to the rest of the auto industry over the same time window.

I have a 2016 so I’m on the 12 builds. My stats showed that I used FSD more than 90% of the time I was driving. I like to play with it and watch it improve. The last TWO versions have been nearly unusable. My usage has dropped to less than 10% of the time. That’s very telling. These updates are huge steps backwards. Or at least the FSD 12 versions are. I just got updated to 12.6.3 two days ago and I was so excited. It’s somehow even worse than the bad version I was already on. They really need to just develop HW 4 or 5 for the older cars and give it to us so they can concentrate on a single software stack.

Some of us started without any AP.

Yea, it's garbage and will never actually be full self driving. I definitely regret buying it.

If (big IF) there is a V13 for HW3 it will likely have to be trained differently (segregated data) since HW4 V13 is trained exclusively on all HW4 data. It is much easer to upscale data than it is to downscale data without loss. Downscaling (lossy data) can present many unforeseen problems.

Cool so now that I’m 5 point releases behind, when will we actually get it?

Being a xx.x.X release it will likely have the same Release Notes and not contain any feature updates. Likely we will need 13.3.x before we have a chance of banish or other features added.

Cool, another version that’s going to be garbage.

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My experience has been the opposite. Currently, 12.6.3 is so good that other than starting FSD from park and being able to park for you, I am using it end to end. I am totally impressed with it. It's gotten rid of the micro-stutters and phantom hard braking, though I can still slightly detect hesitation sometimes, but it definitely feels more natural and like a person driving it than ever. If it can continue to improve on this trajectory, I personally would deem FSD a success even on HW3.

That’s all I have are micro stutters. It’s constant.

They changed to HW4 mid 2023, my 23 MY is HW3 where my friend who bought later got HW4

I mentioned this in another thread, not sure if by coincidence, but I had my windshield replaced around the time I got the update. So I ran the camera calibration, and it's been great for me. Someone else also chimed in saying they did the same, and it's been working well for that person too.

Something that doesn't break my front suspension arm laying into every pot hole like the demo FSD did... And probably democracy is at least as important.

Oh ok. Well that is certainly a good point. Hopefully soon FSD will avoid them. Have you contacted your city council about the pot holes?

As long as you aren't on 13.2.2. I've been stuck on that update for over a month

I posted an X link because it’s my own announcement, and that site is riddled with ads.

13.2.2 requires a hotfix to receive new updates again.

I imagine it’s because all the training data shows normal drivers do this all the time.

This 100%. Sitting in the HOV lane with my next exit 18 miles away, and it just keeps turning on the right indicator to get over, despite my lane moving faster.

Here I was hoping my car had all the hardware needed for self-driving :(

This is the single most, common frustrating thing about FSD right now. It just seems to lack any awareness where it is going, what lane it should be in, or why it is doing it what it is doing. For example, sometimes traffic backs up in \[only\] one lane because it's the only lane going through a gate or making an exit. You can be in a 3 lane road, in the right lane, rolling slowly and FSD feels the need to go around. But it can't because that lane was the one we had to be in and it forgot about all of the cars in front of the one we were behind. I'm not sure how Tesla's FSD team will fix it, but I'm sure they'll figure out something in the long term.

I had came here to ask about this. It’s infuriating.

Extremely infuriating! If they give it back I won’t even complain anymore about how I have to remember to set it before every trip 🤣

2024.45.32.15 includes said hotfixes! https://x.com/teslascope/status/1888372333825655027?s=46

This update is now confirmed to include the hotfixes to get vehicles off of V13.2.2! https://x.com/teslascope/status/1888372333825655027?s=46

They just build the cars out of whatever parts they have lying around.

I would also love to not have to keep tapping the accelerator when it goes 10mph slower than the max speed.

I’m miss 12.x

We are all early supporters. Hw4 will get left behind too. We are subsidizing something far off with radically different hardware.

You think HW5 gets it done then ?

It is so awful with lane selection on highways. And still won’t keep speed set even when there’s nothing in front of you. I don’t understand how people can hype this garbage for free.

Uh the market has been growing. And Tesla has lost market share of a bigger market. Meanwhile annualprofits went down by half(-52.72%) for Tesla, and revenues went down despite decent BEV growth.

Yessir

I tried a reboot. I’ll try a camera calibration as well. Drove it again today with my wife and she remarked how terrible it was. Was on the highway in smooth traffic, it’s constantly jerking the accelerator/brake.

This true. My latest v12 fsd caused me car accident today. I took over right away but the car was hard braking at absolutely not necessary, and the other driver rear ended me.

Damn! Sorry to hear that. At least you’re ok!

Probably after "actually smart summon for real again, we swear it's actually useful this time" comes out. I have no expectation that if it does come out that it will be any more than a gimmick like smart summon

I can't believe how bad this update is, it can't get more than a couple miles before I have to take over to avoid an accident

I've only been able to take it a few miles before having to intervene to avoid an accident there's also one spot on my commute that it tries to steer into a barrier... Every damn day

That’s the deal breaker for me. I’m in the HOV lane for most of my commute, but the second I turn on FSD it wants to get out of that lane.

Glad it’s not just me, this shit is driving me up the fucking walls. Just tonight I was thinking why is fucking glorified ‘smart cruise control’ on the highway dumb as fucking rocks.  And then to top it off, Tesla now gives you big fat blue flashing warnings for keeping the accelerator pressed. So now you have to blip the fucken throttle off/on to reset the warning. Having to do that and “game the system” is so beyond dumb.  Not even gunna touch the lane change topic.either lol. Just another system to “game” so you don’t look like a dumb driver. Can I have a no lane change option please?  Rant over

Just wait when the tariffs hit.

The Model Y are assembled at both Fremont and Giga Texas. There was a time where, I think, the Model Y from Texas had HW4 and those from Fremont had HW3 in them, so it was a bit of a crap shoot which one you got for a little bit. Much like how I got a 2022 Model Y Performance, but didn't get the parcel shelf, because mine came from Fremont. Those that came from Giga Texas got the parcel shelves.

That sounds like something is wrong. It shouldn't be doing that. Is this FSD 13? What is it doing that you have to intervene? Can you describe more about the situation there it tries to drive in to a barrier?

Thank. Appreciate it

You don’t understand tariffs. Tesla is the most American car made.

What’s this got to do with aggressive lane changing? Was it a phantom break? If so you are probably the first person I’ve heard to have an actual accident due to phantom breaking.

It's FSD 13, as I go straight through an intersection leading onto a freeway on-ramp. the on-ramp curves sharply to the right before having a long stretch to get up to speed. FSD always veers to far to the right going through the intersection, which would lead to a collision with the barriers separating the on-ramp from the road

Interesting. I'd have to see the intersection to theorize on the problem but I've never seen something like that in a year and a half of using FSD. Possibly a map issue depending on visibility. What other kind of problems do you get that don't let it go without intervention?

Be sure to check your nav settings has HOV enabled!

It does :(

This is so annoying. That and the auto wipers drives me bonkers.

Yes please. Give me a SET speed, and stick to it like dumb cruise control.

Same :(

Every morning of my weekday commute FSD tries to make me miss my highway exit by doing this. Ugh.

I just got a Model Y AWD last December. I am on 13.2.2 software and see 13.7 being out there. In terms of updates and expectations, is this normal? I’ve tried to “force” an update by resetting the system to no avail. Should I have received another update by now? If not, what’s a realistic expectation until I do? Thanks y’all.

There’s no way to force an update, and when it’s available for your vehicle it will be made available. The wait you’ve had is longer than usual because 13.2.2 had issues that prevented it from receiving updates until 13.2.7. Now that 13.2.7 is rolling out, you should keep an eye out for new waves. https://teslascope.com/software/2024.45.32.15

If this drives better than me will it lower my Tesla insurance premiums?

In some states with Tesla Insurance, yes. But not in California.

Do you own a Tesla? It’s chill mode. It’s been there.

Never had a safety issue once in 7 months of fsd. 8K miles

I do own a Tesla, and it’s definitely not there after I installed the latest update, but thanks for asking.

Either you are exceedingly lucky or do not pay enough attention.

My car just started doing the micro stuttering with this latest update as well.

X2. I feel your pain. Sometimes I zone out, realize it’s too late to merge back and just get to the office 20 minutes later than planned and angry lol.

So uh I just keep the pedal pressed and it'll flash blue more and more urgently but won't do anything. Won't kick you out of FSD either. Sometimes it'll even flash red.... I figured the more I do this maybe the FSD team will get a spike of these events and fix it because the way the speed works right now it's unusable on the highway.

Lol thanks for the tip, I’ll try it. I didn’t want to get an fsd strike or get locked out for the drive or something.

AI is kind of like a black box. It’s hard to have override settings once the model has been trained.

Exactly this! For me, the next exit leads to a nightmare of cutting back across the downtown core!

That's pretty much how CHILL works for me at this stage, actually.

Used it for a 55-mile trip today. I use STANDARD unless there's some reason to change to CHILL. I have a slightly confusing off-ramp situation on my daily commute that really flummoxes my M3P. This latest build didn't fix the problem there. I was in the wrong lane again today. Had to intervene. I felt like it was more aggressive with the lane changes than usual today. I felt like it switched back to the right lane more quickly today. As soon as my passenger rear quarter panel was clear, the signal was on and I was moving over. Speed control was good. I've seen a lot of people talking about speed-control problems, but I haven't experienced that. No weird braking scenarios. I've been really happy since switching from 12.x.x to 13.2.2 around Christmas. I'd gladly pay $100 per month for it, though I keep getting free months and haven't paid since taking ownership November 2024. I'm "paid up" through May 29, in fact.

Dude, that would be an awesome feature! One of the uses for self driving that I didn't think about yet

I mean thats just one thing. It would be great to drive to the airport, have the car return home, and when I arrive from a trip, have the car drive back to me to pick me up. Its the moonshot, but I definitely feel closer to that happening this decade, than traveling to the actual moon.

AI entered the conversation

Good thing you didn't and probably don't even own one.

Huh?

Let me pick the damn speed and stay close to it... The car drives at 35 in a 40 speed limit street with no traffic or corner in sight

Stay in non HOV lane when I select that option. We have paid HOV lane in San Mateo and the car keeps going in that lane even though I have disabled hov and toll options

They took it away fully?!

I swear it annoys me so much. In LA the other day it went 5 lanes left with less than a mile for one exit. Like seriously. lol

Mine is doing the exact opposite lol. This thing wants me to get a speeding ticket.

I've been using it quite a bit and it's been working well for me

I’m not on the latest versions, didn’t know they got rid of it.

A safety issue would result in a crash, so inherently it could not be due to the fact I wasn't paying attention. The FSD is simply that good. I have missed quite a few turns though.

A safety issue does not always result in a crash. I can run red lights without looking and most of the time I'm not going to crash. That does not mean it is not a safety issue. Doing anything that would be likely to cause or contribute to an accident is a safety issue.

in my experience, if you keep it in Hurry mode, it actually keeps to the max speed. In standard mode it just decides whatever speed it likes.

I tried a camera calibration and it didn’t change anything. Lat night I already have a new update. They must have had a lot of complaints about the lat one. We will see how the car behaves today.

That’s not my experience on an HW4 MS plaid. It will linger between 5-10 below set speed in my experience.

well that sucks that its incosnistent.. mine is HW4 MY, and this method has thankfully been reliable for me

Also HW4 MY, i think my set speed is +40% or +50%, but the actual speed always seems be around +0 to +5 mph over the limit.

How do you set it to park for you on HW3 i dont see an option???

I'm seeing a LOT of comments talking about having to press the accelerator on the highway. Is it just me? I never have to do this since switching to v13. If I have it on hurry, that thang is booking it. Doing 80mph. This used to be a huge problem with v12, but since 13,I've had no such issue

Same, not a gimmick at all. Especially in winter months. I do wish the range was maybe double.

Yeah that would be great. I use it pretty much every time I leave the gym in the winter. I have to come pick me up right in front of the front door. That's awesome

It can't pull into a parking spot for you if that's what you're asking. That's a HW4 only function right now.

This update has made my car ride the lane line (or even cross over it). It is a danger to myself and other drivers, so no, we're not close to FSD unsupervised.

This is my most hated feature, keep the speed I set FSD too, slowing down when there’s no traffic around is infuriating. I dont know how they continuously get this feature wrong.

Trying this on my commute home today.

I don’t think anyone who invests in Tesla has actually used FSD

It’s all very interesting until it starts to snow. There is zero pathway to autonomous driving with this current HW stack. You can’t program your way out of blocked cameras. (NE Ohio here with v13 HW4)

Me too, and I have hw3. I find the 12.6.4 almost perfect in this regard. ,

Do you get wheel nags with HW3?

No, as long as I don't stare at the screen or wave my hands while talking to the passenger. But I can put my hands on my knees for the entire trip across town.

Nice. Thank you for for responding.