meanwhile in europe my car refuses to move more than 10cm when i try to summon it out of my garage.
Man, this frees up SO much manpower. Drive the car, park it, walk back to the plant, drive the next car... Repeat ad infinitum. Same for loading onto and off RORO ships.
I doubt they walk. Pretty sure there is a bus service.
Yes but not the ships. In either case, it saves time and frees them up to do more productive stuff
Cool, but I'm a little skeptical about the last part where they park themselves nicely one next to the other. Could they be (partially) remote controlled, like they are also rumoured to do with the Cybercab at first?
Which is mostly thanks to European regulations.
The lanes where they park in look like regular driving lanes, which even default Autopilot has no problems with staying in. I feel like this could easily be FSD itself. No different than stopping in rush hour traffic.
There has to be a bus. The lot where it parks is 1.2 miles away. https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1884459055067894057
I don’t doubt it. Auto park is soooo slow but I’ve noticed it tries to center itself exactly between the lanes.
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Cool
So FSD is geo fenced to the factory parking lot.
For a predetermined route. This is as impressive as the line-following bot I made with Lego Mindstorms in 1999.
The interiors do not match the exteriors of the cars in the beginning of the video
Please enlighten us
Does your bot also stop for traffic like forklifts? Watch the video at least grandpa
Yes, because legally you need human drivers on public roads until there is local authorization/permits to remove them etc. Such as Waymo's efforts. However, if you watch the full route video they posted, it encounters comparable dynamics and challenges as regular driving on a public road.
Depends how well they can park themselves. In loading bays, they need to be packed really efficiently
The inside shot shows a special splash screen. It is reasonable to assume that the route is preplanned to send each car to the correct queue for transport. If they are programming for alternative destination parking generally then this could be another internal use option. A bit of single use coding is worth the effort to replace all those staff drivers.
>Depends how well they can park themselves. In loading bays, they need to be packed really efficiently Shouldn't be hard if there are guide lines.
Amazing job by tesla.
Yes, you could program it to detect obstacles with a front ultrasonic sensor, you also had the capabilities to read colors , thus make a half decent trafic signage. This is, the most basic "self driving ' it's ridiculously easy to do.
maybe, but I have seen that they are not as good as humans in being able to park close to objects. Maybe they have fine tuned things. Closely packing is a challenge given the vision only navigation. I know it can parallel park really close to the curb, and maybe it is now doing a good job one behind the other type of a parking too
It’s a very controlled environment that could have a specially tuned mode
Let's not pretend, I have the same issue in my garage if I park really close to one side. It's a matter of space more than anything.
I assume this years ago.
Depends on the software stack you're on. I don't think folks in the EU have *any* of the FSD code on their cars, while folks in North America all have the FSD code on the car. What I'm less certain about is whether or not folks in North America that own EAP can use the FSD code for things like Summon. FSD's version of Summon is *far* better than it was with the old stack. I use Summon *every* morning to pull my wife's car out of the garage. The old stack used to always pivot the car away from my garage wall, resulting in it rolling the car out crooked. The FSD version of Summon pulls the car out of the garage perfectly straight, every time.
The nag after 3 seconds maybe?
I have FSD, last update I received was adding compatibility for the Apple watch. Mine has always done what you're describing. It likes pivoting away from the wall or from the other car, depending on which is closer. That's why I think it's a matter of space, I think it wants to try and center itself in that space as it's pulling back which is unnecessary. Sometimes it'll also stop itself entirely but will continue when I let go and hold the button again.
This is awesome !
Old Autopilot stack used to do the pivoting towards wall stuff. New FSD stack is much more straight line for me. That said, I use it to get out of the garage more than into it. I have yellow all-weather painter's tape in my garage to act as parking lines, the autopark picks up on that and parks itself between the lines. That said, my garage has a 1" lip on it, and autopark hates that, so we typically just park it manually.
Nah, I suspect they have a special build/branch of FSD for this whole thing, including an automated system to tell the cars exactly which lanes they're meant to park in.
Yeah for sure, but it’s not a complete reimplementation, it would still be based on the same FSD stack with the same hardware.
Now do the same thing but with cameras only.
I love ev. I still have no idea why so many wants fsd. I dont really trust other human beings driving their own cars. I definitely dont trust most of the driving done by computers. Im perfectly ok with computers assisting me but driving my car out of the garage? Yeah, let me do that. I dont want some computer glitch destroying my car AND my garage. I dont even like it when Words auto rearrange my paragraps and indents. I would HATE for fsd to rearrange my house.
Dude, 10 years ago, in engineering school, I made a wheelchair that could navigate corridors and go thru doors, and it wasn't even considered a difficult project. It's EASY, there's like 10 different GitHub of engineering students that did that using a raspberry pi (search VSLAM raspberry pi
Well, Summon is mostly a convenience feature. If you have a tight garage or parking spot, getting out of the car and having the car itself reverse the last few metres is a lot more convenient than trying to squeeze out of the car inside the garage without hitting the door on anything.
It’s cool seeing the Tesla semi doing things, I don’t really see/hear anything about it anymore.
Shut up and be thankful for the non-removable bottle caps. /s
>maybe, but I have seen that they are not as good as humans in being able to park close to objects. Maybe they have fine tuned things. Closely packing is a challenge given the vision only navigation. I know it can parallel park really close to the curb, and maybe it is now doing a good job one behind the other type of a parking too They can do a good job in reverse if there are guide lines. Even uncalibrated cameras will be able to see the position of the wheels vs lines.
If they can do this why do I need to calibrate the cameras again when I get the car?
Are European regulations relevant in Canada because I have the same issues.
Calling me grandpa when you're impressed by that?
Now that is the future available today. So freaking cool and very efficient
And me in the China countryside on a shitty road with ice and dirt, it went 90m to me down the road, backing up, turning etc. Still, not enough for me to buy after the holiday trial is up.
2018 is right around the corner!
I love summon, I use it here and there. With my 3 car garage I park the Plaid in the smaller bay, and it will not back itself out. It thinks it's too close to the walls. Not a big deal as it works in parking lots when I need it etc. I may need even better cameras or something to understand it's narrow but ok to move.
Instead they get to shift manpower to checking the car to make sure FSD didn’t dummy the car at any point in that process
Zoox and Waymo don't seem to have legal issue with driverless cars. Tesla doesn't even use driverless cars in their boring tunnel in Vegas and yet Zoox has been running around Vegas since 2019.
Could always put a onewheel in the trunk and ride that back to the plant.
I honestly can't wait for their factory to be up and running. I honestly think the semis can immediately make a huge impact on day routes/last mile deliveries. The Semi design is being updated as well which is probably why they aren't churning out more pilot builds from the low volume line.
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This is not so unbelievable, you have well marked lines and low speed.
Meanwhile my MY's autonomous features are completely useless for months of the year in Canadian winter 🤦♂️
This is pretty cool indeed
The pace is slower then Elon time but progress is progress
Usually thats called fraud, but sure well give him 10 years to make good on his absolute 2016 promises. I cant wait to claim my 30-40k tesla taxi money that comes in while I sleep. Thats normal for a company right? I mean apple mentioned the Iphone in 2006, and we waited til 2016 to get it! Oh wait.....
Waymo and zoox also have massive LiDAR and radar heavy rigs. Tesla only uses cameras so regulators act accordingly. (You need LiDAR to be allowed on roads with no driver, this will probably change eventually)
Why is it that nobody else is using this 1999 technology to improve their processes besides one BMW factory as of 2 months ago? If it were as simple as you say, we would have seen this 25 years ago.
Yes they do, the interior shots are of Model 3 "Highland" and the exterior are Model 3 "Highland" and Model Y
I am aware, the first 2 cars are neither highland or model 3s. Look again.
I don’t care.
I wish I had an award to give this comment :) Edit: LOL at downvoting this. Salty bitches!
If it's so easy, and Tesla can't even do this super easy thing, why don't you go start a competing self-driving company?
Thanks for sharing! We were all eagerly awaiting your thoughts on this.
>You need LiDAR to be allowed on roads with no driver, this will probably change eventually) That's not true
Yeah, because, as others said, there's a big fat difference between "piloting vehicles in a very controlled environment" , which is a feat managed by basically every amazon warehouse under the sun, and thousands of engineering students across the world. and "driving cars on roads, with adverse climate, uncertain marking, and many other driver's, which is, indeed, difficult. But yeah, on the subject of the article, car driving themselves on a known route with relatively few obstacle, on idéal conditions, yeah, that's easy, for 10 grand you can buy warehouse robots that do the same
Especially when you remember that they are producing 1 car per minute. that is A LOT of manpower saved. And to add, if they produced 60 teslas per hour, I imagine that 1 employee could do a drive cycle every 10 minutes or 6 per hour. so you would need 10 employees to drive cars every hour or 240 man-hours worth of employees every day.
Any self driving anything is cool. But in terms of large scale impressiveness that could mean something one day.....this isn't much.
They don't appear to be doing that for the loops, so it's unlikely they're doing it here. They're also not showing anything close to that. It's still useful, and a good indication of progression.
Ok so you distrust a lot of things. That's fine and that's you. Many of us do trust it and it's fantastic.
Tesla (actually Boring Co) isn't *allowed* to use *any* driver assistance systems there...
The massive regression in FSD functionality that happened six months ago in my M3 didn't help either.
I can’t summon my car into my driveway after a hand wash…
[Was speculating about that yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1icay41/with_a_major_highway_in_the_way_we_needed_a/m9q0jhb/), didn't think it would happen that quickly. Next step would be regulations to allow FSD with no driver so they could even be delivered home from the nearest service center.
Pretty cool. I wonder how they decide to sort themselves and know what park lane to go into.
Because most cars don't have any mechanisms to control steering, at least until very recently
seems like eventually we could have cars leaving the factory and driving themselves to the purchasers house, stopping for automated charging along the way. I mean, who wouldn't love a brand new car with 1500 miles on it?
And because it just works like shit without USS.
Zoox and Waymo do have legal issues with driverless cars. They have to get legal approval for their allowed areas. They cannot just release their cars in other areas without legal approval. Tesla could go the same route for limited public road access. But they are actively working with the govt for regulations to allow nationwide release instead of having to deal with each and state/city for it.
Fair but that was not really the angle I was getting at.
Yes it is You need redundant systems for level 4 +, that means LiDAR
AI takes our jobs and we get excited about it.
Nice to see Tesla catching up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxqTtN--IAU These autonomous trucks are going around in a traffic of a really big plant since years.
My model Y basically requires me to stand with the phone 5 cm away. Then it stops for pedestrian…
Look again at what, the two interior shots are the exact same car [Highland Model 3](https://static-assets.tesla.com/configurator/compositor?context=design_studio_2&options=$IPW2,$PN01,$MT356&view=STUD_INTERIOR&model=m3&size=1920&bkba_opt=2&crop=0,0,0,0&overlay=0&)
Tesla has already stated they hope to start in Texas and California. Nationwide realease isn't happening.
I know this is not the right sub for this discussion, but man i am always amazed to see such advancement replacing the tedious work of humans, i bet it was such a chore for the drivers to do this and it was time consuming, this is not only more efficient but also economical since they don't have to pay the drivers anymore. but where does that saving go, all that saved up money from this and other productivity miracles goes straight to the top, to management and shareholder. thing like these are amazing for humanity, but terrible for ordinary human being living right now where inequality is widening with every new invention
Source?
WEll thats handy, because ain't no one wants to drive one anymore.
I get it was a bit of a stretch in comparison, but if Apple promised an I phone with an extra capability that you had to pay for, and it turns out that the capability it was only half assed working for the past 10 years, wouldnt you think you got scammed? Hes still charging for something that is not happening correct?
“So much manpower” = like 5 people, tops
Port of Rotterdam, 2015 https://youtu.be/22SvOhI47Tw?si=TP0zB5vgglbboajU Those are self-driving cars carrying containers around.
It's not even a "meh"-change, it's straight up a downgrade. They never got lost, you put them back on when you finished the bottle. And while it was open you didn't have a cap flapping all over your cheeks/nose. God I hate EU regulations.
my friend who works as a longshoreman is not going to like this, lol
https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=level%204%20selfdriving%20requirements&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5 Geo fence, redundant systems, sensor fusion.. etc Either regulations need to change or Tesla needs to change. Or they just go the route they’re on, provide a “level 2-3 system that you don’t need to pay attention to” which leaves lots of grey for liability
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I also googled it. All that it says is having redunant systems like a backup braking system in case brakes fail. There's nothing about lidar Also, Levels are a classification, not a legal requirement. Licenses to operate driverless cars require local permission, which obviously vary, but likely have to do more with liability and geofencing rather than some technical spec requirements.
Whoa! How much do these trucks cost? Can I purchase one as my daily driver?
As much as I love Germany and Europe as a whole, **their government(s) absolutely SUCK for pushing through the dangerous autonomous driving regulations**\--all to benefit the likes of Mercedes and BMW.
Wow! Right on schedule! My Model 3 has been making me $30,000 a year for a while now.
Shout it from the rooftops: Germany and the EU absolutely made their roads less safe by pushing their regulations for autonomous driving. Shame!
Google search isn't a source. There is no regulation mandating a specific sensor set for L4 operation, definitely not one which mandates LIDAR. No such thing exists.
"it encounters comparable dynamics and challenges as regular driving on a public road." This is pretty lol. Thanks for the am chuckle
We want Europe to wake up and permit FSD because it's a much calmer and thus safer drive. I've experienced it outside the EU and it's fantastic.
Call them, they ll make you a nice price. [https://www.vdlautomatedvehicles.com/en](https://www.vdlautomatedvehicles.com/en) You can have it as a daily driver, but tbf. you need to be a load or a container. Put a Tiny House on it and call it a day :)
Yea I’m not sure why it got shared like that the original link was an article. Also I find that interesting as I recall not that long ago being berated by other Redditors claiming Tesla could never become level 4 due to this exact reason. They need sensor redundancy and fusion, although it seems there’s no distinction on what type.
Most cars don't have 100TOPS of processing on board yet, and it's a very small optimization within the context of a factory. There are many, many other things to worry about.
I'm sure it is. After all, driving down a singular lane to a parking lot clearly means that unsupervised FSD is right around the corner. lol
From the lack of news I feel that they’re done with testing and now are focusing on getting the factory up and running.
lol almost ready! Just another year or ten!
I doubt that's the case but even if it is you still have the car doing the most time consuming part of the journey. You just need a couple handful of guys driving the last 10m or so to pack the cars in perfectly.
I like my usb c on my iPhone though
LOL at this bullshit.
You mean, frees up manpower to be laid off.
Interesting
True, it is quite a game changer in that sense
Lets not act like being "car driver from end of assembly line to parking spot" is a coveted or particularly admirable job title. There are better things to do with ones life. Lets not decry the loss of the theme park "vomit collector" job when robots eliminate the need for humans to do it. This is a win.
well this is great since they won't have too many customers anyway .
All right old timer, settle down. There's a lot more going on here than following a line, including object avoidance.
They are working on both. Texas and California are based on either state or per city approval. Same as Waymo. However, they are working on getting the govt to issue nationwide regulations for self driving instead of per state. Also, in case this wasn't clear earlier, Waymo and Zoox have already gone through the approval processes for specific cities. But they don't have approval for wide release in California, much less the whole country. And the approval process isn't quick.
So we should replace all non-coveted or admirable jobs with robots? Based on that logic, the majority of the world would be unemployed. Certainly a hot take.
This is so cool!
That’s so awesome
Yes. We should replace jobs people don't want to do with robots. If eliminating a job frees a person to do more important or dignified work, we should do that. Why would anyone advocate otherwise? Just keep people doing busy work for the sake of exhausting them? Let them do something more meaningful.
aliens scouting for planets to explore: <alien reads wiki page on history of USB> "we are skipping this planet."
A local Pepsi distributor operates at least one in my city (California) and I see it regularly stopped at grocery stores, convenience stores, etc. offloading product.
Because you’re making broad assumptions about jobs that people do and don’t want. Who are you to decide?Most people just want a job to be able to survive and support their family.
Whaaaaaat?! That must mean full FSD in city is just around the corner, right? Only 6 months behind Waymo.
Wait because that is actually so cool! Whattt I’m assuming this will speed up deliveries and production ? Wow
This is both cool to see, but also underwhelming when you think about it. "one step closer to large-scale autonomous FSD" is really quite an overstatement. These Tesla's are doing FSD which we've all seen before. But they're doing so in a highly limited, highly controlled environment. They are effectively following a pre-programed, fixed path. Sometimes a vehicle gets in the way, that's the most unusual it gets.
Waymo doesn't really do what FSD does. You're kidding yourself if you think it does. Waymo does just fine for the limited parameters it can operate within, and with exceptionally high cost of technology. The fact it won't go on freeways is very telling as to the capabilities of it, beyond simple geo-fencing restrictions. I'm sure they'll expand to freeways, but it will always be contingent on them fully mapping the geometry of the space they operate within. It's simply not generalized. But if you're asking if I think full FSD is just around the corner, then yes, I do believe that. It's far ahead of Waymo capabilities currently on privately owned vehicles, and when the taxi's are produced and deployed, I expect the same performance - fully out competing and out performing waymo.
They did it’s called Apple intelligence.
I'm fairly certain they are continuing their low volume builds. On YouTube a guy named zangler flies over the factory which is externally almost complete. My guess is they'll start a slow ramp in the new factory in about 6 months. I was stopped next to a Tesla semi and it really surprised me how nice it was compared to a normal semi -much less noisy and smelly although I am pretty sensitive to diesel smell and pollution. Also, as I recall, something like 80% of semi drives are under 500 miles (AKA milk runs). For example, going from the beer factory to the distributor.
As a recall Japan also was involved and it certainly appeared to be protectionism in disguise
Check the video at 34 seconds, the parking job ain't so hot.
Yep, wait for the bus, ride the bus back to the factory and then drive another car to the lot. So it also eliminates a bus service.
There's still a lot of work. Possibly in the future it will change fundamentally but at least in the USA the unemployment rate is pretty low and decreasing.
Source? I see a lot of cars -won't that mean each of them would have to have a driver? EDIT: My wild speculation. 2 miles back and forth. Takes a little time to get into and out of the car and park the car and wait for the bus to bring you back to the factory. You can't drive very fast so about 10 minutes in total per car. About 430 minutes in a work day so an individual employee can park about 43 cars a day. They produce about 1600 cars a day at Fremont. So it appears they need at the very minimum 37 employees just for parking. But I could easily see double that at possibly a more realistic 20 minutes per car. So in monetary terms it's not huge (maybe $5 million dollars) but it is an efficiency and probably less accidents at least eventually.
Not enough people grew up watching Terminator and it shows 😂
This was likely set up for a publicity stunt / test or the cars were pre-calibrated using a different method. Most cars don't even have the cameras calibrated when they arrive at the Tesla pickup location. This may change in the future but there is a lot of red tape to get through to make that a reality.
LOL your friend's union tried to stop technological advancement from being implemented 4 months ago.
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Apple did promise an electric car though and then they realized cars are harder than phones and said oh nvm.
Ok so you agree it’s fraud.
so i see things like this and its kind of reason why i think self driving be better for the world yes driving is fun i do enjoy it but end of the day design prespective this is elegance at its finest the amount of time saved interms of traffic and work done during it be immeasureable
[Wrong.](https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1884625118003122341?s=46&t=BH3Kd2miuegb9d7uFi54RA)
I'm with you. For close to a decade now whenever I see new advancements in robotics or autonomous production I can only think about how the jetsons promised us robots would do all the hard work for us while we enjoyed the leisure time and abundance that created, but the reality is that as automation replaces human jobs we are forced to work harder and harder to compete in an ever shrinking job market while only the factory owners actually reap the benefits of their shiny automated prduction lines. The advent of generative AI has only made this feeling worse, it's pretty sad.
Why was Tesla not doing it before? they could have saved a chunk of money. You can call it a small step but it is a step. Very unlikely to be pre-programmed. FSD can handle this now but couldn't before. Another bigger step will be self-driving in Vegas loop. This is how self-driving is rolled out very constrained and slowly less so. I think it will take longer then even the limited rollouts that Tesla has talked of - particularly since there were a few missteps like not putting in a front bumper camera in the new model 3. In the long run a few years is not important.
They've effectively stopped tech advances for years and USA is far less efficient in their loading and unloading of cargo because of lack of automation. The longshoreman's union has been quite effective in their goals
That is terrible. Innovation should not be suppressed even if it cost a few jobs. It would help keep things more efficient, keep costs lower for consumers, allow for more safety for personnel, and keep from future blockage like we encountered in 2021.
Prob because it's moving forward and the lines are not super tight. If you have tight parking lines and the camera can see the wheels, it should be good.
Those are glorified line followers, we have them in manufacturing facilities, warehouses, theme park rides, etc. Really neat and useful but literally from 1960s - only good for highly controlled environments
>only good for highly controlled environments Like the grounds of a Tesla factory?
That's news to me, source?
The car 2nd from top left has its back wheel on the lines. And the car right in front of it looks like it could be touching the lines on the other side. That's some pretty terrible parking.
Oh, I know, I feel they are way too overpaid and I know for a fact how much work they actually do
Fascinating
Seems you did not watch the [full route video](https://fixupx.com/Tesla_AI/status/1884458086859170050)?
I could be wrong but I don't think Apple ever openly discussed their car program. It was all rumors based on insider leaks.
States have their own laws, you're not going to get a federally approved Level 4 vehicle that is approved to run in every state.
Yes and that is good thing for tesla and shareholders (me). Sucks for the people though but you are not entitled for a job.
Inside they already use it. Outside would have to be prepped and closed. But it could be made to work. The way they're doing it outside in this video is probably easier for them though, and definitely more extensible.
Isn't it telling when Tesla releases a promo video showing self-driving capabilities at level of 1960s.
Probably because cameras aren't calibrated and they are not backing up. But with uncalibrated cameras and reversing, they can still fit in tight spaces if there are right lines by just comparing how close the lines are to the wheel.
Alright, let's go through it. We'll start with some reasons to be broadly skeptical at a high-level: **Weather**: Full sun with minimal cloud cover. Almost no shadow on the entire drive route. No precipitation. 60 degrees so no ice. **A curated video**: Tesla chose and uploaded the video; it's not a random sample. They are obviously going to only release videos that show above-average performance. **Even so, super weird that they car stopped in the middle of a lane at the end.** Almost every car at their factory lot is parked nose-to-nose, in lines up to six cars long. No single car has two empty lanes next to it. But this Tesla can only park itself in a spot with 8 empty rows next to each other? Probably so a human can park it next to the other cars lol. **Route**: Pre-mapped, 1.2-mile route on private roads owned by the company doing the marketing. Now let's talk "comparable dynamics and challenges as regular driving on a public road. * No pedestrians * No bicycles * No parked cars * Not a single car ahead of or behind it in its lane * Not a single cross street; the only intersection was a T-intersection with a stop sign. Where it met two other cars driving on the same software in the same closed environment * Speed - it took 2:10 at 3x speed to drive 1.2 miles. So an average speed of...10-12 mph? * From 1:19 to 1:50 (so 90 seconds of its journey) it's driving on a separated one-way road * In the entire 6 minutes of driving, it passed 2 trucks and 5 cars going the opposite direction. So in 1.2 miles, it had no cars ahead of or behind it, and only 7 vehicles in the opposite lane. So it passed roughly one vehicle per minute. Compared to up to 30 cars per-minute in normal highway driving. So yes, it was comparable dynamics and challenges as regular driving on a two-lane public road. Except that it was sunny, on private roads, had 1/30th the traffic flow (including no cars ahead that it had to navigate), no stop-go traffic, had no stoplights or four-way intersections, had no pedestrians/bicycles, had no parked cars, was at a speed of 12 mph, and almost 1/5 of the drive was on a separated one-way road.
Lmao that started rolling out like 3 months ago, not much of a comparison there.
Yeah they never even mentioned any such thing, let alone promised it.
is this why the stock is up
They have their own laws on it now. Tesla is trying to get the govt to have a national law on it instead.
You may want to dial back some of your assertions there. There was certainly more than one intersection, there was indeed traffic lights(though it was green so didn't need to stop). There were indeed pedestrians(Though in this video none of them were in it's path - They were employees at the beginning and end of the route.) Nevertheless Tesla would not allow this if it was a safety concern around people. While it's true these conditions were sunny, we also see clips of it driving at night in the main video, which is something that is not hard for their current software to deal with, unless you have reason to think this was deceptive. However, I will grant we do not have enough evidence to think they would still use unsupervised FSD in the rain just yet. It is clear from their post this is the first step of them enabling this functionality, and yes they could have used curated clips, but we have seen the software handle much harder scenarios than this, it is likely they are playing it safe and slow until further risk is retired. I stand by my claim it is comparable and as challenging as a regular drive, though I admit this description lacks clarity as you took it to mean every possible challenge that could have happened, should have. — Which was not my argument in the least.
Why would aliens skip our planet because history of USB found on Wikipedia?
Why would they be running cars autonomously 1.2 miles onto loading docks for delivery without calibrating the cameras?
It’s actually pretty handy once you are used to it. There are better and worse designs for sure. But most are getting there.
My Model Y parallel parked in heavy traffic two days ago when I went downtown. Absolutely flawless and right near the curb. FSD 12.5.4.2 2021 Tesla Model Y
>Why would they be running cars autonomously 1.2 miles onto loading docks for delivery without calibrating the cameras? Saving time and money.
It is going to be wild if they get hacked remotely
From the assembly line straight to the car lot where it will sit for 5 years unsold until its recycled
There are states where self driving cars are legal, what's stopping Tesla from doing it in those states?
Lmao in this carefully marked out area. Lyle Lanley keeping his stock price inflated by jingling his keys.
People who seriously are affected by that are quite literally too stupid to drink. I'm sorry, I'm sure you're a nice person, but if this is even a second worth of losing your mind over, you're either searching for problems, or you can't drink from a bottle. Absolutely baffled how this impedes anyone.
They do hacking contests where they pay people who successfully hack them. Your time to get some $.
That's what Apple intelligence is, they promised it for a future date to sell their flagship phone and it turned out to be a regression in functionality and complete dog shit.
Next, they will be driving themselves to the end customer.
Apple promised a big wireless charging pad called AirPower.
You don't believe the cars are doing this autonomously?
Yeah, and if you don’t make your lease payments it can repossess itself. 😂😇😂😇
https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1884625118003122341?t=BH3Kd2miuegb9d7uFi54RA
Might want to look into exactly *how* BMW accomplished that, because it sure as heck isn't as impressive as what Tesla is doing: https://www.assemblymag.com/articles/98928-bmw-cars-drive-themselves-off-assembly-lines
It is literally trivial. Any Ardupilot based UGV can do this. It says NOTHING about FSD capabilities.
https://www.docdroid.net/Xh7jsov/cwpm-operations-manual-pdf And the media reports that linked that document I forgot to bookmark. PS: Sorry, I'm too lazy to google-fu that again. It was a bit hard to find, as it wasn't widely reported, you can find it with some effort.
Afaik regulations use SAE standard and self driving taxis are Level 4. Tesla FSD is Level 2, which requires driver supervision on public roads. Elon just said unsupervised update should roll out in Texas in June , so we'll have to see.
> Next step would be regulations to allow FSD with no driver so they could even be delivered home from the nearest service center. So would you say this earlier statement about the next step being regulations allowing it is incorrect? I think we agree that SAE level 2 shouldn't be allowed on the road as a self driving taxi, and it's up to Tesla, not regulators, to make FSD a level 4 system?
Sure they do
Who is paying attention to the road?
More jobs lost
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Nope. It's German's doing. Germany protectionism. The march toward true safety enhancement be damned. Not Japan (at least no evidence). The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) developed the SAE J3016 standard, which defines the six levels of driving automation (from Level 0 to Level 5). These levels are widely recognized and used globally to classify the degree of automation in vehicles. But Germany and the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE), pushed through bullshit requirements for the various "levels". A lot of major player countries called bullshit and aren't adhering to the Germany-instigated/EU-adopted requirements: United States, Canada, China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Philippines, Mexico, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, New Zealand So, what's the big deal with the levels--and more importantly the level requirements set by Germany/EU? Well, level 3 in Germany only permits activation on highways and only at a maximum driving speed of 60 km/h! Why were these seemingly arbitrary requirements put in? Because that's all Germany's industry felt they could do short-term. German industry did this to all of us. So, while Tesla's FSD is able to go well beyond only 60 km/h at Level 3, Germany doesn't allow this on city streets, so Tesla isn't permitted to open up FSD's full potential in the EU. I hear from some others around, "What's the big deal? Tesla can apply to have its vehicles certified by us anytime it wants. It's Tesla that isn't applying for the certification!" What a bullshit answer. To do so, Tesla’s FSD would need to fully pass Germany’s bullshit regulatory requirements, including the EU’s General Safety Regulation (GSR) and the UNECE regulatory framework which, again, countries like the U.S., Canada, China, UAE, and India have rightfully said was bullshit from the start. Germany and the EU shaped the UNECE regulations for autonomous driving. They pushed for their own very specific safety validation (favoring MB, BMW, VW approach), redundant sensor requirements (again, favoring MB, BMW, VW approach ), and geofencing for Level 3+ vehicles, which are aligned with how German automakers (Mercedes, VW, BMW) develop automation but less compatible with Tesla’s vision of AI-driven autonomy. Suggesting that Japan's approach is a form of protectionism isn't directly supported by any evidence. They hitched their wagon to the UNECE requirements but they didn't openly push them to favor their own industry--unless there were backroom deals between Germany and Japan that haven't been published. But Germany's protectionism over safety/innovation, however? It's plain as day.
Honestly this is not impressive at all, other car manufacturers have also been able to do that since years
With all the driverless Tesla vehicles out there, I wonder if we'll actually see Unsupervised FSD in the near future.
Yes
Really interesting. As someone that recently hired a MY in the US and was blown away by FSD, it's incredibly frustrating to come back to our non existent version, all because of EU regulations. And I live in the UK, so even more frustrating as we're not part of the EU anymore.
Why shouldn't it be?
They met there orders for the current version of the truck that you see in the video. Pepsi in Fresno has received all of their order. SAIA has their two. US Foods just took delivery of their two not long ago. There are about 4 running in socal right now. Production has stopped for this version of the truck and has fully transitioned to completing the factory and the production version that you will see later this year.
Got to get my self a Tesla
Yeah, but you don’t buy the AirPower for money on the promise that it’ll work next year… it just never went on sale in the first place.
This is an ad
All fun & games til someone hack them & send them into walls on the highway
> literally trivial Right, right. Which is why BMW's autonomous driving at their factory between building and parking lot incorporates a sensor suite of lidar units along the route? I don't see any Ardupilot-based UGV driving themselves to my house without driver intervention. So we already know FSD is pretty capable, and this is the next step - actually running them autonomously in a structure environment. Next after that, driving in Austin, TX, unsupervised. Clearly you start smaller and expand, which is why the title is "one step closer" and not "achieved."
Mine drives me to work every day, I wish it would let me close my eyes and meditate... :)
While it’s really cool to see all those cars drive themselves into position, it’s a very controlled environment and l don’t think really represents much of a jump forward for FSD on its own.
Shame nobody wants to buy them!
The way state laws work is that you can be more restrictive than the feds. This is how CA creates laws regarding their own EPA standards that exceed EPA, gun laws, etc. You cannot go beneath the standard though. This protects the states from a law that the feds create that may be deemed too loose, corrupt, etc. For instance, the EPA dictates that you cannot do a diesel "delete" meaning you can't remove the smog related devices legally. CA cannot allow deletes to occur, but they can require more restrictive smog devices be installed within their state. Musk likely has sway now to push some bullshit law regarding allowing Teslas to operate anywhere in the US, however, CA can state that it does not allow Teslas to operate as the level 4 from their perspective is not being met. This would create lawsuits, but if CA can prove that Tesla level 4 hasn't been proven to their liking, they can probably win.
Regardless of safety of the vehicles when it's not monitored. Tesla FSD has come a LOMG way from even 2022 when we first got out vehicle
I for one would investigate a planet so thoroughly dedicated to maintain compatible and respect for the history of a specification.
Forklifts have done pathing for over a decade. Impressive.....
They took er jerbs!
Super cool! I wonder when we’ll see Ford do this in a commercial 🤣
Can you tell me what other vehicle manufacturers are doing the same with AI computing with their cars today? Oh, none? Gotcha.
Same. Using FSD in the U.S. kinda ruined my M3 for me here in Europe.
I’m sure they’ll drive people straight into the concentration camp
controlled environment vs actual results vary. Tesla could easily rack up a billion miles by having all their cars drive around the closed loop roads. They need more FSD betas and data to fine tune the algorithm. Need probably hundred thousand billion miles (just exaggerated here) miles in real world to make it reliable.
Wow
I mean... IS IT closer to fsd? This would be the exact same every time. Roads are different constantly and filled with edge cases.
Screen can display 'SOVEREIGN EV, JUST TRAVELING'
Buuuuut muuuh Tesla is AI and super SMUUAARTRRT!!!
Lol. How petty to complain about such change. Just look up the statistics about bottle caps and you can see the logic behind this regulation. Not so hard.
Which regulation is this? I'm interested in reading about it further.
Meanwhile in Nebraska, same. 🙄 This over hyped propaganda is getting crazy old.
Soon enough one gets struck by lightning and someone gets a Tesla friend
Look at all of the barriers they have up along the way. Clearly shit has gone wrong tons of times and they learned a lesson we’ve all known for years now.
Taking jobs away from American workers. And if there were any issues in the suspension, ride, steering wheel, etc. FSD won't find it. More delays at the dealership. Also, isn't this how Maximum Overdrive started?
There's huge problems with FSD. I know this because my 2024 model y almost killed me by stopping at a train gate and decided to go through the gate as the train approached. Musk has admitted FSD is not ready. Have patience for the 🚗 does a good job of self driving but has hiccups.
Program them for night delivery, less trucks during work and travel traffic will benifit everyone, especially if the autonomous driver decides to go berserk!
So this is the reason for the panel gaps
When they were parking you could see few teslas parked on the line lol
Be careful what you wish for. This week, a neighbor parked his Tesla Model 3 in the driveway and locked it, and as he walked away, it backed up by itself about 4 feet and almost hit the supporting post for the carport. He's taking it to the dealer.
How is this progress? This isn't FSD, this is a pre-scripted route.
so like for example I don't know how to drive but if Tesla ever achieves FSD unsupervised do you guys think i would have to learn how to drive in order to legally drive this car in CA
Hahaha you’re delusional. Have you ever been outside?
Hasn’t FSD been imminently available for like 6 years now? The biggest vaporware hoax in the history of tech.
You've described my dream job.
Cool!
u/savevideo
Where they will sit because no one will buy them
Well those FSD cars are going to have to wait for the new Optimus to place the orders because real live humans have stopped buying them.
Anyone else get Maximum Overdrive chills watching this?
Do they also go to the recycling center automatically or do you have to do it yourself?
Has anyone considered that if the power grid goes down your car is bricked?
Wow who filmed this? I'm sure it works flawlessly.
I took a demo model Y home overnight last week. And I had never considered full self driving. But the demo came with it so the next morning I punched in the address and let it chauffeur me all the way to work. It changed lanes properly. It passed vehicles turn left at yellow blinking lights when there was room. I was freaking out on some of the choices it made, but they turned out to be correct for the situations. On my final exit toward work, the Tesla pulled behind another driver on the same exit ramp and they brake checked me barely 2 car links ahead. I wasn’t even looking up. The Tesla took evasive maneuvers and I looked up just in time to see the other car speed away. Now I really get it.
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