FSD 13 started to roll out to Tesla employees. I know everybody is getting excited but we will probably get v13.3 after testing by employees looks good.
I have v12 on mine, but hoping to see this expand to Tesla fleet in 1-2 weeks if all goes well.
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As a hw3 owner it's "way over there"
The 1 month previews have been… disappointing.
Can't wait. Hoping this one will fix the issue leaving my subdivision. Tall berm between the two main drag lanes. You have to stop in a small area between the lanes. So far it is not something FSD has been able to handle. I have reported many times. Hopefully this will be the one.
Have seen similar issues where two lanes get spanned by something that isn't a lane. Wasn't an issue prior to 12 that I recall. Also struggles with situations where lanes span by a turn lane. Many times makes the correct call far too late
whats the tldr of whats new?
Maybe we will get v13 too, HW3 hopefully gets it!
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Generally speaking, Tesla gets way too much credit for delivering software — literally 15 external people get a beta release (that no one else sees for a month+) and the community (and Tesla engineers, for that matter) claim credit for it being “delivered” Apple has an *open* beta program, ffs
Elon has said that v13 would be unsupervised from what i remember
Don't disagree with what you said except Apple's open beta program isn't potentially life threatening.
Shocking! But seriously, I’m sure we’ll have plenty of advance notice when/if unsupervised is close to release. First we’ll need Musk to say it’s “6 months away” for a year or two, then “3 months away” for about a year. And then maybe HW4 people will actually get it. (Followed by HW3 after another year or two, and maybe some hardware upgrades)
At this point (millions of Teslas on the roads), I’m unclear how it’s safer to roll FSD out _randomly_ than to allow highly-interested early adopters to request it — folks who understand what they’re asking for explicitly When the population of cars was small, sure — but the size of the fleet means the [“adoption curve” should be established and standard](https://images.app.goo.gl/t5iquN9V9YFDETZV6) — seems like a missed opportunity for both goodwill and good feedback
It’s not even on the official roadmap. Very little chance.
Obviously the first time that Elon has lied about FSD?
Well hopefully if things look good all Tesla employees get it before it goes wide.
YouTubers get it first so they can make videos and sell some Tesla cars - oh and maybe some FSD subscriptions too. I wonder if v13 will finally be worth $8k
Yeah, hopefully L3 sometime next year.
Just didn’t say which v13, maybe v13.6
Honestly, it seems Tesla was hoping to push v13 sooner but hit some setback so we are still waiting.
I sure hope Chuck can still make his left hand turn.
Nope, **possibly** way over there
We really can’t have unsupervised though without more camera redundancy and dedicated camera cleaners…
Depends on the level of unsupervised. I agree it will need more redundancy, but level 3 where you just need to be awake and ready to take over is asked is technically "unsupervised".
> The 1 month previews have been… disappointing. Understatement of the century. I miss nothing about it but that sweet visualization.
As a hw3 Europe owner it’s „it’s on the mars“
Is this hw4 only?
I'm happy with what I purchased. I enjoy and appreciate the updates when they arrive, and the improvements since I purchased have been dramatic. I never expect unsupervised, but I'm really looking forward to the day I can trust it to find its own parking space. No regrets. I knew what I was buying when I bought it, and continue to highly recommend it to everyone that asks. Leaps and bounds above any other auto company in my opinion.
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Yes. Tesla has basically abandoned HW3 cars at this point
Just got pushed to a non-employee. https://x.com/EZebroni/status/1862998851314999597
Release Notes https://preview.redd.it/a6r7ewoag44e1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16eefd346e420bb9863be896bbd4adace616ec02
> Apple has an open beta program, ffs Apple also has internal testing before it goes to beta. Additionally, Apple beta tests its operating systems, not its products. They only release betas so that app developers can validate changes before the release.
Exactly. FSD has gone a huge way and last few months have been crazy improvements. It’s leaps and bounds ahead of other cars trying to approach autonomy
That turn is challenging for human drivers. A similar one near me was closed off because there were so many fatal accidents. Now you have to take a 30 second detour that's a million times safer.
That’s not true. They’re still working on getting unsupervised FSD on HW3.
If you've been following them at all you'll see the patterns. I own a HW3 car.
Unsupervised means liability shifts to Tesla for accidents. I'll believe it when I see it that they are really that close to that transition.
I do as well. If they were abandoning it they wouldn’t have said what they did during their fiscal earnings call last month.
I listened to that call live and I know what they said. It's what they're doing (or not doing) that's the problem. Notice how we still don't have the speed profiles that HW4 cars have?
Let’s hope this version can actually get into the correct lane before a turn. I’m so tired of v12 waiting until the last possible second to get over and then missing the turn because other cars exist.
13 wasn't supposed to be unsupervised.
https://preview.redd.it/a6r7ewoag44e1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16eefd346e420bb9863be896bbd4adace616ec02 Supposed to be able to unpark go to destination and park itself. Full point to point, also unlocks the full resolution and frame rate of HW4 cameras and be a native model for the first time rather than emulation. The fleet also now can communicate about road closures automatically reporting and other cars will know to reroute.
It hasn't even been a month since it went wide for HW4. It could take months to port and it's still not "abandoned".
Reading the X post it seems they haven't scaled the model yet? Only the data and the compute. It said scaling the model in "upcoming improvements". Maybe v13.3?
I wish I was that naive. I'm not saying they won't ever release another update for HW3, but it's an afterthought at this point. Don't hold your breath here waiting for new features.
Maybe with v13.2 we shall be rewarded finally!
https://preview.redd.it/wlyyetbmq44e1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=098d67fcee16a1789707321ce84649ea77bccadd
I have seen folks sitting for 5 min making a left turn with just 2 lanes each way with cars passing. Chuck with his 3 lanes going each way is even bigger challenge.
Thank you. Exactly what happened with the previous release that was available on HW4 first.
Bro, its done. Us HW3 have one solution in Tesla’s eyes: Buy a new car. Luckily i am doing this….. When my R2 preorder is ready.
Yes as of right now. We may get watered down version, might be time to get a new car. 😭
They already said if they can’t achieve it they will upgrade FSD purchasers to HW4.
And us “peasants” that only subscribe to FSD every so often / during a road trip? We’ll get no such offer.
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You're the dedicated camera cleaner 😁. I agree with Chuck that more upfront cameras would really help (bumper camera or just something closer).
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Honestly, I can get pretty car sick if I'm watching a screen for extended periods of time. I'm not sure what I'm going to do if it ever becomes unsupervised.. (HW3, so maybe never)
I’m surprised the front cameras are in the middle too, and not the top left and right corners. That would give it a huge advantage with determining distance more accurately too.
Agree that it's good marketing but some YouTubers provide good feedback and some even have drone footage.
Probably only for AI4 and not 3. Who knows when AI3 will get it , if at all
Any UPS truck that enters that intersection would turn right. It would make sense that FSD comes to the same conclusion.
Nope, they gave an update: "Crap. It was actually FSD V12.3. Sorry guys. A few updates behind." [https://x.com/EZebroni/status/1863024260924453096#m](https://x.com/EZebroni/status/1863024260924453096#m)
Check out the list of improvements. They're cranking up the amount of compute being done. HW3 has zero chance of even thinking of running this.
waaaahhh oh well lol
HW4 people are likely to not get it.
On the other hand, you didn't throw down thousands of dollars for something you'll never get without a hardware upgrade.
Chuck Cook and AI DRIVR and Dirty Tesla all got the update already. First video showing unpark and reverse: https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1863023701333266722 Confirmation of rollout from Ashok: https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1863001374147146199 "First drive with 13.2 was 0 intervention. FSD unparked itself in my garage, started driving, pulled into this parking space, and put itself into park 🤯" https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/1863022504014418087
But Elon didn't say when. Don't get your hopes up.
It will never get anything remotely as compute-heavy as V13. At best they'll tweak V12. We'll be lucky if we can at least get single-stack V12.
Even if Elon did say that…I wouldn’t get my hopes up 💀😂
Chuck Cook and AI DRIVR and Dirty Tesla all got the update already. First video showing unpark and reverse: https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1863023701333266722 Confirmation of rollout from Ashok: https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1863001374147146199 "First drive with 13.2 was 0 intervention. FSD unparked itself in my garage, started driving, pulled into this parking space, and put itself into park 🤯" https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/1863022504014418087 Edit: Shifting into reverse to make a three point turn: https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1863051434788597799 Merging through traffic to make a short left: https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1863059851779453125 Avoiding object in road https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1863078178841149639 Full drive videos from Dirty Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FTyQ-XM7PI and Whole Mars Catalog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-lOfyYS1xY and Chuck Cook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia_RNPPB0Ss
I doubt Unsupervised will be released sooner than the very end of 2025 and that’s assuming no setbacks to software or regulatory approval. FSD still has a long way to go (detours, emergency vehicles, crash avoidance, handling drive through and polls, etc.). When Unsupervised is released, I expect it to be limited to the highway like the current speed profiles.
At the same time it's like "it's headed right for us!"
😮
I am still stuck at 12.3.6. It’s a 3 weeks old car.
As a fellow HW3 owner, it’s more like: “it’s over for HW3”
I'm sitting here quite happy w/ a 2018 HW 2.5 car w/ an Intel Atom too... it's fine. Never did buy into the false FSD hype/promise. Sure glad I didn't because I'd be hella disappointed waiting for something they promised was launching "later this year" ... 7 years later.
Now released to small percentage of public. Seems like just part of the deployment process.
Hard disagree. If you are on AI4, Tesla Model 3/Y, you get these updates frequently. I think there is a perceived problem that they don't ship faster & wider, because their largest population, AI3 on Tesla Model 3 & Y, has outdated hardware that doesn't support the new models. This conundrum resolves itself once AI3 cars get upgraded to AI4 computer. Part of the growing pains for bringing new tech to market imho.
This bodes well!
As a hw3 owner i can hope that we get an ai5 retrofit or a juniper myp with ai5 is a thing
Those that test it daily know the system very well and can provide valuable feedback to improve FSD!
Albeit UPS uses a routing algorithm that heavily prioritizes turning right anyway, IIRC?
> I sure hope Chuck can still make his left hand turn. He already released video of FSD 13.2 doing his left turn and the U turn after better than FSD 12 ever did.
You are lucky, soon you will get v13 don’t worry it will happen before you know it.
I know it would be less impressive but it would greatly add to usability for me if FSD picked routes that were easier for it to drive or more straightforward. I really dislike during my lunch break I have to driver over a mile to get to a Subway (New York city btw) and FSD used to consistently pick weird weird places to make unprotected left turns to get there, visibility wasn’t great and usually I’d need to take over just for the turn and then switch back to FSD (HW3 btw). There’s a traffic light intersection that’s just two blocks away and would be great if it just used that instead.
As a Hyundai car owner, how can I get the hardware?
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Yes. UPS is well known for purposely routing all routes to avoid left turns. It's just much more time efficient to only turn right
Chuck's left turn is a crime in road planning. It would be interesting to see the accident statistics for it.
Rip hw3 You guys downvote but if you’ve ever driven 12.5 on hw3 and hw4 it’s night a day difference. There’s a reason hw3 owners prefer 12.3.6 over 12.5. I bet they’ll retrofit the computer only for hw3.5
That is some other guy who doesn't have v13. What's he doing letting it go 77 in a 55 zone at night anyway, is he a moron? Yeah it shouldn't do that, but it's still supervised for a reason. If he wants it to go slower he should take it out of Hurry mode at the very least.
They always do, to hype it up.
Yeah, all upcoming still. It should be an absolutely massive upgrade with a 3x larger model and context window.
I have a MYP with HW3. I hope FSD transfer is available when I get a Juniper MYP.
Waymo does this--takes the longer, safer route
I wish these updates gave some sort of indication of where they actually are in working towards their goals. Saying stuff like "photon-to-control latency improved 2x" sounds cool but like...is that a lot? Are they almost where they wanna be or like 10x improvements still needed? Same with nearly every other metric. Give me "increased miles per intervention from 153 to 291" or "mean time to intervention at 3 hours with a target of 10 hours"
W the F cares?
Here's a clip from Chuck Cook's video, where it fails to reverse to do a three point turn. It got stuck at a cul-de-sac [https://youtu.be/ia\_RNPPB0Ss?t=1878](https://youtu.be/ia_RNPPB0Ss?t=1878)
That's cool, when FSD is ready in 2017, hopefully the cost to upgrade to HW4 isn't too bad...
"They" did not, Elon did in a tweet. I have no faith that's a binding statement.
We were told hw3 would be good enough, and now we are told hw3 will be upgraded, and we are supposed to believe them. Comical. Anyone on hw3 who thinks their current car will not get left behind is a slow learner. In fact, I will say anyone on hw4 who thinks they also won’t eventually get left behind is also a bit slow. All hardware will lose support not long after the proceeding hardware is released. I knew that when I bought my car.
I just can’t imagine how when someone says something and it doesn’t come true, and then they say something else that isn’t legally binding that people expect that thing to come true. >There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. George W. Bush
If you can’t read between the lines of the past, maybe the release notes won’t help you, but to me it’s pretty clear that hw3 will not get this update: https://preview.redd.it/a6r7ewoag44e1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16eefd346e420bb9863be896bbd4adace616ec02 It might get another update, that has some feature. But not this particular one. Zero chance.
As a hw4 owner I expect to be in the same boat as hw3 is very soon.
Maybe FSD will just just be wrapped into a Tesla insurance, and it will be a premium insurance cost.
12.3.6 is the best build that has been wide released in a while.
It’s deliberate sound really smart terms. Like deleting 300k likes of code. And people eat that shit up.
Elon has committed to upgrading HW3 cars if necessary. But who knows how long it will be before he admits that it's necessary.
Elon said it in the earnings call. Earnings call statements carry a little more weight than a tweet. The catch is it may take years of attempting to squeeze the latest models into HW3 before they admit that the upgrade is truly necessary.
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Tesla is confused, is it Full Self-Driving or not (Supervised)? Feels more like false marketing rather than level 5 Self-Driving.
New cars usually take a month or so before they get their first update. It’ll be worth the wait
We can't know the exact differences of course but usually larger models perform better. For example 12.5 is a larger model than 12.3. However parameter count isn't the only thing that matters, how much you trained it (with how much data, how many epochs etc) is also important. It seems that for 13 now they trained it with more data and with more compute (which makes things better) but with future versions (probably 13.3 as they said in the past) they plan to also make the model bigger (which will also help). How much will these things affect performance is up to anyone's guess.
Was going to say the same. No one races to be the first to show videos of Apple's beta releases as they perform on highways alongside other drivers.
There is a long tail of things you have to be able to handle. It will likely take a while before FSD has them solved.
We won’t know those things until whole fleet has this new version. Well HW4/AI4 fleet 😭 I had few weird situations yesterday with 12.5.4.2 and would hope some of them go away with 13.2 but because I am on HW3/AI3 I may never know.
Obviously not you!
Good point, we all know it is necessary but Tesla will drag their feet so folks will transition over by buying a new Tesla with HW4/AI4 - besides you need to own FSD vs rent it I think to even get the retrofit.
It is (Supervised) otherwise we would not be allowed to use it - this is how Tesla gets around regulations to let whole fleet have it in US and Canada. For now we are testing and hopefully in the near future it will go from L2 to L3 to L4 to L5. Sometimes it drives like L3 sometimes like L1 lol
When I read Full Self-Driving I interpret it as SAE L5, but Tesla is only at L2, maybe at L3 at best. Therefore it should be false marketing, or am I wrong here? Or what do you call L5 in Tesla marketing language?
I think many people would rather be in the correct lane and have to wait in a line of cars rather than worry about it not getting in the correct lane because it thinks it’s slower. This is especially true in cities with more aggressive drivers where you will not get let in.
How good is the fsd on that r2?
It behaves like L5 but… and it’s a big BUT… cause Tesla still has various edge cases it’s working on solving. Specifically phantom breaking - which happens lest often and some other issues it is still encountering. AI3 cars don’t have system redundancy so my car can’t reach L3 ever based on regulatory rules. AI4 has redundancy so those can. Time to wait for AI5 cause I have a feeling Tesla will hit a wall with AI4 in the coming years too or months 🤪
I mean, it’s pretty good on the highway right now for R1, and I’m pretty confident it won’t sound like a mid 90’s GM product every time I hit a bump inside with all the rattles and squeaks my Model 3 has, sooooo 🤷
I’ve watched a handful (maybe 7-8) of videos on this 13.2 version. It has basically failed at parking in a spot in 80% of the things I’ve seen. I dont know why they’d push something that is so clearly not ready
I also wish they would publish end statistics like miles per intervention or accident data, but what they’re putting in here is all the metrics that a software team can tackle one at a time. In your question, regular humans would say something like “we’ve cut down how long the car takes to process an image and make a decision by 2x”. Hopefully that means seeing cars braking or sudden hazards means quicker reaction times.
It looks great on everything but 3 point turns (I saw one success and at least 2 failures) and then yeah the end parking seems really not there at all. But I understand why they’d give this to the like 6 people who got it. Leaving from park and all the driving, the new low speed profiles, the turns and navigation all seem way better. Shooting it down because it’s not great at parking at the end, which was never a feature before, seems like a stretch to say it shouldn’t get pushed.
still supervised? 🤔 so i guess unsupervised will be v14 or even v15 then
I mean… there’s only 2 new things, start from park, and parking. And 1 of the 2 doesn’t work? I guess you could argue speed profiles are new-ish. So 2 of the 3 work. Read previous replies of mine and you know I defend FSD harder than most. But when only 50% of the features they are hyping up work? Seems a little silly. FSD is fairly smooth already. It getting a 10% improvement is not that generational imo. I just think it’s silly for them to hype up this new and improved point A -> point B feature… but it can’t do point B haha. I’m obviously still excited for it, but hope they get the parking figured out soon rather than later
To piggy back on this, the larger context size will also improve short term memory, allowing for better temporal awareness and more informed decision making. With a larger memory, it can consider more events and environmental factors in everything it does. For what FSD is doing, making immediate decisions based being aware of its surroundings, I think this is arguably as important as improvements to the model itself.
Yeah, Hw3 can't handle it. You can't trust anything Elon says. However, those with hardware 4 can train it and 3 should be able to handle a condensed version of it without those capabilities, essentially giving us the same thing without the ability to learn which honestly isn't necessary as it can update based on what it has learned from other HW4 training. This is just wishful thinking of course and I have no idea if that's true.
The term Level 5 never made sense as SAE doesn't specify an error rate. My 2010 Ridgeline was Level 5, for at least 10-20 feet (much more if I let go of all controls while on the interstate).
>pulled into this parking space, Impressive drive. Still if you watch [the video (0:51)](https://youtu.be/7FTyQ-XM7PI?t=51) you'll see the "parking space" has diagonal stripes, that isn't a parking spot.
We have been told that they see no reason why it HW3 won't be able to run it, and that if they turn out to be wrong, then they will do a hardware upgrade. That's a rather distinct difference in the message from how you portray it
I agree with you. If FSD is your #1 priority, you have to get on a lease program and subscribe. Once AI 5 is released with cybercab, hw4 is on limited timeline.
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It completed the three point turn (or at least it defaulted to doing a three point turn instead of just doing a normal U maneuver like it did in his night time video the first time before he tried to force a three point turn scenario) in his video today. Car didn't try to park itself at all at any of the stops from what I saw.
Maybe if Elon gets his way next year will be anything goes 😜
We can still benefit from HW4 fleet sharing - which will provide us with better map data in real time. This should hopefully fix how car navigates around constructions areas and resolve speed limit issues that I am running into. Park & Unpark would be super cool too. Oh well keeping my car until wheels fall off or Jupiter 😉
Not for my cybertruck It’s not 😞🖖📐
Good to know that. I even don’t have summon option.
My car is HW3 and almost 2 years old. Super frustrating that everyone keeps thinking that I will be able to buy a new car...
I feel you. Pass down to the kid and buy a new one for yourself!
Soon very soon
Mine is 3 years old, and I want a new AI4 Tesla but my wallet just told me it ain’t gonna happen.
Off the cuff remark during an investor call in the Q&A section. Sounds promising.
The strikes reset on a one week rolling basis, afaik. So as long as you don't accumulate them, you should be fine. Tip: You can use a phone's hotspot for media playback, while driving. And your main question about FSD: Compared to regular Autopilot, this is a completely different way for the car to control itself. As far as I know, ***none*** of it is enabled in Europe (it is incompatible with EU law), except for when using specialized features, like the new Actually Smart Summon.
I'm hoping it's actually a HW3 to HW5 retrofit, instead of an upgrade to HW4. Something that leverages the processor speed and power improvements that have happened in the two years since HW4 came out. This would be worth waiting for.
I expect that it will be AI5 downclocked to run at HW4 speeds with HW3 power consumption (since there are more severe cooling constraints in HW3 cars).
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>I mean: if it finally uses the full resolution and refresh rate of the HW4 cameras and has many times the computer/data/reaction power compared to what is the case right now, I can't see why it won't be using that for Autopilot as well. Their approach to full self driving is not compatible with a 'partial' use like this. The machine learning system they have made has full access to control of the vehicle, and expects exactly that. It cannot be limited to staying in a lane until a user confirms it via the turn signal. It isn't separate functions for each maneuver in traffic; it's all or nothing. It only has one mode, which is that it controls everything. And that is not something that such a system is allowed to do in the EU yet. And Tesla seems like they don't want to train a whole new system to act within the confines of that regulation, as long as they have most of North America to test in. For now it seems like they're just waiting until the EU can accept their model.
So excited, So many features in this, graphics look smooth as hell
Don’t just love how people are saying “ just trade up!” “just buy a new car!” as if buying a new car is a regular thing like buying a loaf of bread? These things aren’t cheap. I don’t have $50-60,000 to throw around every couple years.
some HW3 cars are under a year old. They’d have to drag their feet for way longer than I think they reasonably can.
My Model Y is 3 years and 2 months old and I literally missed out on HW4 by 4 months. No there are no 1 year old Tesla cars with HW3, there are no 2 years old Tesla cars with HW3.
ok dumbass as if the model Y is the only model of car tesla sells. 2023 Model 3 delivered on Dec 31 2023 will have had HW3 there was new inventory in january 2024 of those models that was also HW3.
I stand corrected, for some reason I thought HW4 was out for 2.5 years but it’s only been 1.5 years. I was hoping for AI5 next year, but I guess it will be 2026 or 2027 now.
I see that 'hurry' mode is still active on the new version. Think about it... Hurry means haste, haste makes waist, and waist means poor efficiency. If Tesla wants to be competitive, they need to reduce their cost/mile. Please drop that mode.
How does FSD handle going through a toll plaza? I'm thinking of multi lane toll plazas with cashless payment where multiple lanes form to pay the toll and then merge down into a smaller number of lanes again afterward.
Everyone has a different level of comfort when driving or being driven. I tried Moderate vs Assertive and did not see much of a difference during Thanksgiving travel. I also have [12.5.4.2](http://12.5.4.2) haha that might be why but who knows. Problem is too many folks drive 75 mph as if they were going 30 mph, following to closely cutting in and out. Saw more than 7 accidents during 500 mile drive on Sunday. If folks only kept appropriate distance there would be no traffic and no accidents but no no they must get there in a hurry.
Great question, I have not tried FSD in a toll plaza yet. I don't feel brave enough haha. In Florida all Tolls are cashless and use Transponder or License Plate photo to bill you so not much opportunity to test it here.
Can it catch a ball?
This kind news was not my interest until I became FSD subscriber. Can't wait for it.
Never get excited until Elon take out “(Supervised)”
Will it be released to the general public by end of the year?
That is a 1 million dollar question. Also will it be AI4 only or will Tesla also push it to AI3 cars too?
I just ordered my M3 LR AWD. The FSD V13 would be a nice Christmas gift. 😊
You will probably get it this year.
I have been trying to use FSD that was given to me as a demo all last week. I am driving a 2022 M3 RWD. Initially I was quite impressed and felt it was far superior to the last version I used for a month. Then after a while I realized it did a few things better but still needs a lot of work. The other evening as it was driving me to my company Christmas party in the turning lane to turn right with the right blinker on and suddenly veered left out of the turn lane scaring the living shit out of me and the van that was directly beside us. If I had not been on the wheel I dare say it may have caused an accident. Sitting at a red light today and it starts screaming at me to take over immediately as if the world were coming to an end. Shortly after that it attempted to turn right while I had my left blinker on and it did this not once but twice on an empty road with no other vehicles. I am now apprehensive about using FSD as it is more stressful than just driving myself. This is not a game changer. At times I am absolutely amazed at its ability and then 5 seconds later I am absolutely amazed at how terrible it is.
Yep, unfortunately that happens sometimes. Still lots of work to be done. I had an interesting experience yesterday, car made a turn out of my community and was going around 50 mph, then while lights were Green and car had maybe another 50-75 yards to go before getting to the lights, it started to break, which seems very weird to me. Light was green, no cars in front. I was going to take over and hit the accelerator pedal, but decided to give it few more seconds, sometimes it slows down then accelerates (figured its a bug/issue), 2s later lights started to change from Green to Yellow to Red. Car slowed down properly and I was kinda amazed. I do NOT know how it knew lights will change, I have a recording, will post it on my channel tonight. [https://www.youtube.com/@JakubKudlacz](https://www.youtube.com/@JakubKudlacz)
Yeah, on the highway I tend to always hit the minimal lane changes button. Otherwise when I'm 1-2mi from my exit in the right lane it wants to get out of the line and try to go two lanes left to get around a few cars.
Full self driving just means the car is capable of driving itself from point A to B without human input. Level 5 is *full autonomy* which is different. It means it doesn’t require any human involvement at all. A car can be fully self driving but with low autonomy. This is Tesla FSD at the moment because it can do everything from point A to B but requires supervision. A car could alternatively be partially self driving with higher autonomy. This is Mercedes Level 3. The car can do one single thing (follow a lead car in a traffic jam) and nothing else, but the driver doesn’t have to pay attention to the road.
😔 still waiting for v13 to hit can’t wait to try it!
Are those of us on 2024.33.40 stick on a dead end? None of those going to v13.2 seem to be from our line 😕
Maybe v13.2.2 😜
That's our lump of coal
Thank you, Elon for V13.2.2 today for Christmas ! Truly amazing, all my previous concerns have gone bye bye.
Is anyone else’s v13.2.3 driving like mad max now? Swerving into the left lane markers, tailgating cars ahead, slow to brake until the last minute… really harrowing stuff… no more option to minimize lane changes. I had to go back to Autosteer mode. I really dislike this update for a daily driver!
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