Full Self-Driving (Supervised) | Tesla

They should run this during the super bowl. Also need to emphasize that not a single other brand can do a single thing from this list yet.

It's so far ahead of any other car you can buy, it's crazy.

Is route completion a 12.5 thing? 12.3 always just keeps driving for me.

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I can’t trust these when they admitted to fake videos before.

I got 12.5.1.5 a week or so ago. 2020 Model 3 HW3.

Nah, most brands now can do lane changes and I'd say some can do curvy roads but that's about it.

That actually would be kinda wild, a 1-min uncut commercial of a Tesla driving itself. That speaks for itself honestly.

I mean I’m on 12.4.3 and my car drives exactly like this so even if it’s faked, it legitimately can do these things.

12.3 does it sometimes. 12.5 is smarter of course, so it probably does it more often.

This is real. I use it every day.

2024 MX 12.5.2. Picked up couple days ago.

Haha, I’ve been using FSD over a year, so far so good.

my Model 3 has done stuff way more impressive like this and that's on 12.3.6

But can they do a lane change without asking for permission or confirmation? I saw a comparison with Mercedes and it couldn’t change lanes in front of or behind another car. The lane had to be empty.

I’m still on 12.3.6. 2022 hw3. Kinda upset.

One item that Tesla software folks can have on their to-do list is route completion with driving onto the driveway upon reaching home. I always have had to stop navigation and drive on to the driveway. And the bonus? Activate the garage door opener and drive into the garage as well.

I have a new hw4 2024 model 3p and it won't update past 12.3.6 =(

So there is hope for my 2019 Model 3 HW3. I hope…

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I know this demo is fabricated by the fact that they didn't show the curb rashes after the trip.

Tons of videos from regular users on YouTube if you don't trust the official one.

FSD is still *by far* the most advanced system and likely one of the only system able to drive in the city, I know blue cruise and Rivian driver+ both require user input to change lane, not sure about the others, but it's a shame that autopilot had to be forgotten along the way because other manufacturers are catching up.

Yeah but I still get multiple disengagements per drive. It would be sweet driver assistant if it was included with the car, but for 8k/99 a month not going to bite. Especially with the uncertainty regarding hw3.

I have over 3k miles with fsd since January and haven’t had curb rash once

I’ve done almost 20k KM of FSD and never had any issues with it hitting a curb.

At this point with 12.5 I probably have one disengagement about every 30 minutes unless I'm being super picky. That's insane. The car is driving me around competently.

Same I have two 2019 HW3 and 2024 both Performance and still on the 12.3.6

It’s nice it’s working for you like that. I’m at about an intervention every 5 to 10 minutes for safety issues. The software is very impressive but it’s hard to see how hw3 will ever get to level 5.

It needs to get far more intelligent, that's for sure. It's hard to know what the intelligence ceiling for HW3 is. But it seems pretty unlikely that the threshold for Level 5 requires compute somewhere in between HW3 and HW4. The gap isn't that big, all things considered.

We have 12.5. 2024 Performance Y.

> Also need to emphasize that not a single other brand can do a single thing from this list yet. True with a car you buy. But still behind Waymo.

It stops right outside my house and tries to park itself at other places, so yes, it does route completion sometimes to most of the time

And there’s an upcoming update next month or so where FSD can Unpark and Park. How many car manufacturers offer this on their vehicles?

Waymo?

You cant buy a Waymo and use it as a personal car.

Behind in 4 cities, but Tesla is ahead of Waymo in the rest of the country.

12.5 likes to run red lights with no lead car. It’s not ready to go wide with such a big safety issue.

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My 2022 just got it on Friday

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Same. No update for me yet.

Waymo is restricted to areas with detailed mapping.

2022 Model 3, still on 12.3.6 and I’ve been a subscriber for 1 year. Set on Advanced (like that does anything).

This exact ad was wide on Instagram a week ago. LOTS of folks are seeing it!

That's an old bug. I had it before in a lower version of 12 somewhere

I wonder if this is one of the things ASS fixes

12.5 have issues ! Jumping red lights , choosing wrong lane , hugging left border of the lane , deciding to drive too far left when it’s supposed to turn right in .3 miles etc Lots of work needed

You don’t know what you’re talking about. No touchey keyboard if not relevant.

Except 12.5 keeps wanting to turn too early into my neighbor’s driveway. And if I disengage at the end of navigation it no longer prompts me to report it. Hopefully the manual disengagement is being logged. About 1 in 5 drives it will correctly turn into our driveway, so it’s somewhat progress.

And I heard it costs as much as $5!  Next up, why putting “I heard” in front of anything makes what follows essentially worthless.

It looks like they paused a wide rollout.

Auto park into a garage would be such a killer feature. Weird it’s not possible yet.

My model 3 drove 140 miles from Santa Barbara all the way to my house in Venice. Not a single interruption

Both 2020 and 2023 are still 12.3

I rarely disengage and I use FSD virtually everywhere. I’m on HW3, 12.3.6 btw.

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"Of course". Come on... Be serious.

Let's try a 5 minute uncut ad. Show the truth and reality of it. Not the bullshit that suggests it works perfectly (or even works well).

Tesla still doesn't offer it on my HW4 Tesla. It won't even smart summon yet.

The reality is HW4 will never be able to hit Level 5 either, maybe not even level 4

I don't know why you think that's a fact. You're guessing. It's entirely possible that models built for HW4 do become intelligent enough to do Level 5. Same for models built for HW3. It's not a guarantee, but there's nothing that clearly makes it impossible.

You don't think 12.5 is smarter than 12.3? It quite literally has a 5x bigger brain (a brain that is also refined with a lot more training), and the difference is very noticeable in my experience.

It is lacking critical hardware to reach level 5, that’s why. To reach Level 5 it has to be able to drive 100% autonomously in 100% of conditions 100% of the time. The current system gets blinded by the sun, struggles at night on roads with no ambient lighting, and hard elements like snow consistently 100% obstruct crucial camera like the side repeaters. Their current approach can’t be 100% effective 100% of the time cause they can’t keep their current (vision) based HW clear and able to see 100% of the time, which immediately makes 100% driving in all conditions impossible without being able to meet that basic requirement Edit: Unless your argument is the compute power of HW4 might make it possible, not the HW4 suite a whole (including current cameras and orientation), in which case it’s not as concrete

The smart summon update just started rolling out on HW4 last week. And obviously no other car can do that.

Nope, it's not missing any critical hardware. Show me some footage from your Tesla's cameras where the views it provides make it impossible to drive safely. I bet you can't. You're likely being confused by conservative warnings about being blinded in the dark or by the sun, not realizing that if you view the camera footage yourself, you can absolutely see well enough to drive. These warnings go away over time as the system gets more intelligent.

Same - Got 12.5.1.5 about a week ago and it’s got some issues. 2019 M3 HW3 performance is good but some regressions in important areas

I got 12.5 end of last month, on hw3

Still 12.3.6 too….

It seems, based on their roadmap, that there will most likely be a bigger wide update later this month at the earliest.

Audi and Mercedes are doing fine.  I dont understand the whole (decade long) hype about driver assistants. No car manufacturer today offers autonomous driving, they're all driving assistants (or driver aids). There's no news here, just hype. Call me when it's certified legal.

Where are all the beeping and complaining

I'd buy it in a second if i could

I’d give 12.5.3 a try with ass but 2023 model 3 sr+ and I need to know what version I’m getting. Not trying it if it’s 12.3.6

Do you live in one of the four cities it works in?

>Also need to emphasize that not a single other brand can do a single thing from this list yet. In the US, that's true. In China, both XNGP and Huawei ADS are capable of doing most of what's shown here.

No car can do it, Tesla included. Shit, my HW4 Tesla can't tell how far its bumper is from an object. It constantly complains about a camera (or multiple) being blocked at any time of day other than when the sun is directly overhead. Let's see all this shit people want shown to the public, but on a current Tesla with HW4. That'll make sure people are seeing the bullshit currently available.

How does it fair on roads with poor markings, like no central divide line?

12.3.6 and HW4.... 😔 😡

They doing this with Vision only?

https://www.youtube.com/@ChuckCook I think it's on the first impressions drive he does go through some roads with no markings. He has changed things up a bit with his drives recently, so I can't point you to a specific video. He does a lot of good testing and it's balanced, he says the good and he says the bad.

Love it can’t wait to get mine and I will be subscribing monthly

why the repost

Have you even driven with it? There are a multitude of videos online of people putting it SPECIFICALLY in difficult situations for 30 minutes to and HOUR (with skips/fast forwarding) and it handling flawlessly. It’s not perfect yet, but 5mins??? Cmon, people frequently go entire drives without a disengagement (myself included). It’s not 100% but it has been improving rapidly recently, and to say it would fail in a 5min uncut ad is delusional.

Which is 4 cities.

Yes

Still amazed people pay to babysit the car which drives like a teen driver with a permit.

my 2018 TM3 HW3 received it a week or two ago. I did post a comment to a thread about the release. I post too many comments to find ones I forget to specifically save, is there a way to search just a single sub for posts I made?

Yeah, if I'm already sitting in the driver seat and have to pay attention (supervised/babysit), then I might as well drive myself. The only use-case scenario I can think of is if I'm sitting in long and heavy traffic on the freeway, then I'll use it to inch forward by itself. But that is a basic lane keep and adaptive cruising feature, and most "self-driving" systems can do that. But still, innovation has to start somewhere, and it is amazing that they got this far, that it can do all the things in the video. Yet, it is still so far away from unsupervised FSD. And that won't happen for another 10 years, maybe 5-7 years if we are lucky.

I bought a highland Model 3 a month or so ago and got FSD. It's pretty amazing for sure. However, this video is cherry picking. FSD still struggles with merging when there's hella traffic. Same with unprotected left turns. It's pretty crazy how far it's come though from just being vision only.

Just for the fun of it, I'll contrast your answer by betting they'll get this sorted in 2 years tops. With the drastic progress that's been made this year, I can see this being solved for the AI4 computers (previously called hardware 4). As for AI3 computers, we shall see.

I'm still on 12.3.6 on my 2023 MYLR. And I've only had 12.3.6 for a about 10 days.

Yours pulls into your driveway? Mine stops in the middle of the street and then when I take the wheel to turn into my driveway it fights me and beeps with some message that I don't remember. I'm on 12.5.1.3

Are you really proclaiming "who else can do this" comparing it to a thing that's not currently released? Tesla can't currently do it... Granted, that may very well change in a month. But your post is made today, not a month from now

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That's 4 more cities than Tesla. There is no self-driving Tesla anywhere on this planet. Show me a single Tesla you can seat in the back seat and it would take you to your destination. Tesla plans to demo their autonomous robo taxi on Warner Brothers lot. Not on public roads, on a private property.

right, but I was never one of those people. I bet 3 years ago that FSD will be solved in 5-7 years. Judging on the current performance and rate of improvement, I reckon they're still on track. People were shitting on image-generative AI a couple of years ago saying that it will stay as a toy for a long time, and now it's replacing jobs left and right. Never underestimate a software team full of talented workaholics, especially with the current AI improvement rate.

Yes, I've noticed that when i have it drive to my friend's apartment it pulls up to the main office and finds an open parking spot. Granted the only open space is a handicap spot so I have to move it out but it's cool to see it's capable of finding a place to pull over instead of continuously driving.

> comparing it to a thing that's not currently released? Tesla can't currently do it... Vision Auto Park has been out for a while now and there are many videos showing that the car can detect a parking space and park itself.

If by "fine" you mean all of their models combined being outsold in the US by just Model 3 and Model Y, then sure. If you're someone who is interested in technology, then FSD is magical. And now it's to the point where it's actually useful a lot of the time because it makes driving more relaxing in many cases. You don't even have to touch the wheel anymore. You pretty much just sit there and watch. It's insane.

I’m on 12.3 and it tried to run a red 2 days ago. I slammed on the brakes and stopped just in front of the cross walk. Had to reverse. Kind of shitty to see it hasn’t been fixed.

I apologize for my initially combative response, I read your comment as saying it was a thing tesla would be dijng in the future. Didn't realize that they currently had it, my own fault for speaking on something I didn't know enough about. Could you share the videos you speak of? I think I'm googling the wrong thing. All I'm finding is vision park assist, which looks to be nothing more than the basic park assist that everyone has? Edit. Apologies, again. I think I've found what you're referring to in this reddit post (leaving the full text of initial message in case you respond while I'm editing) https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/9ACXcpnrmz Is this correct?

Really cool stuff!

Videos of it treating red lights as stop signs on YT. Saw it on black Tesla and dirty Tesla. Reviews on TeslaFi say it likes to run red lights. People on here have claimed it as well. Even 12.4 struggles with a light by the bridge it will not slow down when it turns yellow like it does every other light. Iv never let FSD go to see if it would run it or not, but it damn sure doesn’t slow down at all. And please show me where I keep commenting this. I think you’re confusing me for another user. I’m simply typing what Iv seen others experience and what Iv seen in videos of how it acts. There’s a reason why it’s not wide and 10 days has turned into 2 months.

Watch the video bro. Self driving means no human input. Telsa works in the whole country. That's more than 4 cities. Waymo isn't even fully self driving due to their reliance on remote human operators.

There is no self-driving Tesla anywhere on the planet. If it was self-driving, Tesla would have a Robo taxi service like Elon Musk promised 4 years ago. It's self-driving in the same way adaptive cruise control is self-driving. It's a highly advanced L2 driver assistance system. Tesla is planning on demoing their robo taxi service on Warner Brothers lot in a few weeks. Not on a public road like everyone else, but a private lot. That should tell you how ready they are to actually deploy a safe autonomous service. It's no different from this Tesla video from 5 years ago https://youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo?si=iu3ucR9brPczg2SP Or this Tesla video from almost 10 years ago https://youtu.be/VG68SKoG7vE?si=0qbVzfS8bB7KZsra They're all videos designed to trick investors into pumping money into Tesla. They're not self driving videos but marketing videos. If you want to see actually self driving videos, go on YouTube and watch the thousands of videos customers actually riding in self-driving cars.

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I meant to say in the US, which is the only country where FSD has been released so far (plus Canada). Model 3 and Model Y outsell all of Mercedes' models combined and all of Audi's models combined in the US.

That is correct. It released in the US early this year and in other countries more recently.

The Waymo service is restricted to those areas. The Waymo driving agent is not (and will drive outside of the service area if it needs to)

The system in the Audi A6 I drove recently is just as impressive, better integrated and easier to use (in my opinion). It is super relaxing to drive indeed, you're absolutely correct. I'm glad that Tesla is selling many cars in the USA, it's a country of cars. Going electric will make the biggest difference there 👍🏻

I'm not talking about sales, I'm taking about legality and functionality.  Both Mercedes and Tesla can learn a lot from the interface and interior specialists at Audi and Renault.

5 minutes isn't that big an ask. I'm pretty confident my car could do that right now, or be able to within a one or two takes.

Legality and functionality? In terms of legality, nothing Tesla's system does is illegal. In terms of functionality, the functionality of Tesla's system is in a completely different league from the others. It's so far ahead. Keep Audi/Renault's interface and interior design away from Tesla please. They're awful in comparison to Tesla. Go buy one of those if that's what you prefer. I prefer Tesla.

It sounds like you're not in the US and haven't used FSD. That explains why you don't know what you're talking about. FSD is on a completely different level from Audi's system. Go watch the video linked in this post. Audi does none of that stuff. Audi basically just has a lane assist system. Tesla has a system that will drive you all the way from point A to point B. It does everything. Completely different league.

Vision Park Assist is a computer generated 360 view of the car’s surroundings to help the driver keep track of close objects. Auto Park is when the car detects parking spaces at low speeds and the driver can select a parking space for the car to park itself in. The driver only needs to press a button on the screen and watch their surroundings while the car parks itself. A [short video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFJv7afCu7o) of Auto Park and a [longer but better quality video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dbPrltSTp0) by AI Drivr. The pause when switching gears has been [reduced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrl79PjGu8) in later versions. FSD will [sometimes park itself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtIfYWv6LcI) at the end of a destination however it isn’t as reliable as Auto Park. For context to my original comment, the FSD team confirmed [Unpark and Park](https://x.com/Tesla_AI/status/1831565197108023493) later this year. As we have seen with Auto Park, the car can park itself and FSD does show parking behavior but Tesla doesn’t allow FSD to reverse hence why it can’t use Auto Park yet.

Same.

https://youtu.be/mhK-oWXtcc0?t=320 It turns right on red here without stopping. There's a cyclist waiting to cross while it does so. It then just blatantly runs a red light right after.

Yes.

FSD was borderline unusable for me during the free trial in April. I guess everyone's experience varies.

Exactly this, I tried using it and my family members made me stop because it drove so poorly that they were getting motion sickness.

You guys complaining that you don’t have 12.5….. I bought a 2017 model s in 2020 with FSD. They had to upgrade my hardware after I bought the car … and it still wasn’t fully available. It became available in 2022 for me and it wasn’t even close to what it is now. lol

That was FSD 12.3. It definitely wasn't anywhere near "unusable" for me with 12.3, but it's significantly better with 12.5. And you don't have to touch the wheel anymore. That by itself is a huge improvement in user experience.

And hope for my 2018 Model 3 HW3?

So what is it that you are saying no one can do yet? The full self driving with parking and "unparking"? I appreciate your in depth response with links to show exactly what you're referring to, I got myself in a quagmire quickly googling when I didn't know what I didn't know.

They've been working on FSD for 4+ years. I'm skeptical of huge improvements in just a few months. But I can't really say. I do hope that FSD makes progresses, I look forward to a future when I don't have to supervise it, but also when it could drive as smoothly as I would but with better reaction times.

That's fair. I totally understand the skepticism. And like I said, if you found FSD 12.3 to be near "unusable", then I'm not sure you'll be happy with FSD 12.5. FSD 12.3 was quite good in my experience. FSD 12.5 is just a significant step up. And keep in mind FSD 12 is completely different from what they were doing with FSD before. You can't really compare timelines like that when it's an entirely different architecture that might have an entirely different pace of improvement.

> borderline unusable I'm curious what region your in? My coworker got it on their 2019 Model 3 and loved it so much, but we are in So Cal. Also, do you have any details on what issues it had? I've seen people talk about taking control when it does something they did not like, but was not dangerous.

Now do it at night, or in the rain... The CEO is too busy tweeting he wants to get Taylor swift pregnant to release that video? This video wont save the company.

Man as a European, where ‘fsd’ fits in my lease budget….. on the day this gets released in eu I’m gonna flip out. The crippled bullshit we get is already ‘pretty ok’ but it’s like playing a shit video game, guessing when the indicator will make it change lane, having it start doing that and then ‘lol touch the wheel bro -> SWERVE BACK AGAIN’

My point was that no other car manufacturers are offering ADAS on highway and city street like FSD. Only Waymo and other robotaxis are ahead but they don’t sell vehicles. [Ford](https://www.lincoln.com/technology/bluecruise/) and [GM](https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/vehicle-technology/super-cruise) offer some self driving but only on highways with HD maps. GM restricts Super Cruise from being activated on undivided highways. Mercedes has self driving technology, called [Drive Pilot](https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot), but it is limited to freeways in California and Nevada in certain conditions. > DRIVE PILOT can be activated in heavy traffic jams at a speed of 40 MPH or less on a pre-defined freeway network approved by Mercedes-Benz. DRIVE PILOT operates in daytime lighting conditions when inclement weather is not present and in areas where there is not a construction zone. Please refer to the Operator’s Manual for a full list of conditions required for DRIVE PILOT. Meanwhile FSD can be activated anywhere in US and Canada on any road with or without lane markings. It can even be used in construction zones and during rainy weather. Once FSD is allowed to reverse and use Auto Park, it will be one of the best self driving software a consumer can buy because you can own the car and let it drive from your driveway to a parking space at your work.

There's about 10 miles of curvy dirt roads at our place in the UP that it handles just fine. No markings and barely a road.

I’m in Colorado, this was in April, 2023 Model Y with HW4. It would phantom brake, turn in front of cars that were too close for the speed, stop too soon at stop signs and then accelerate again to get to them then stop again, pull away too quickly from stop signs, pull into exit lanes on highways when I’m in the right lane, hit the brakes whenever someone turned in front of me to cross my lane, hit the brakes whenever someone in my lane turned right in front of me. In one case I was at a double left lane turn, I was in the rightmost turn lane and as it was turning it didn’t turn sharply enough and would’ve put me in the oncoming lanes on the other side of the intersection if I hadn’t intervened. I didn’t get to try it in rain or snow but imagine it would’ve been even worse.

Awesome. Looking forward to it being released in Europe.

12.5 does not feel like that at all

I experienced the red light thing on 12.5, but in my case it stopped for the light, saw there was no cross traffic and started creeping forward as it does for a right-turn-on-red. But I was going straight. In this case, it wasn't a sudden "you're gonna get me killed" situation - there was no danger, just blatant disregard for the law. Have there been instances where it would have caused a collision was if it wasn't for an intervention?

Do you believe the company is in danger?

I had one such occurrence ! I had to apply break to stop the collision when I was taking a left turn from a T junction . There was a car coming from like 50” and car wasn’t showing any signs of slowing . Second occurrence was like in your case , no man’s zone , red light and the car kept going as if there is green signal ! Another decline i observed was missing the straight only lane and ending up in the right only or left only lanes . Not planning for a right turn when there turn is imminent like .3 miles is new to me as well . Car kept going on the far left lane . 12.3.6 didn’t have any of these issues for me . I have an 2023 HW 3 model 3

Is it just random who gets updated?

One of the best? It's already *the* best, and by a massive margin. The gap is only growing bigger.

Quick question: Will Tesla assume liability if my car causes a collision with a pedestrian or other vehicle while using FSD (Supervised) with my hands off the wheel? If not, why does Tesla keep releasing videos of cars driving with a human without their hands on the wheel? This video didn’t include any caveat about how the driver must keep their hands on the steering wheel at all times.

2020 smart summon worked great in my HW3 Model 3. Sitting in my 2021 Y with USS, it got nerfed recently and now I can't even smart summon in my own driveway (worked fine 2 months ago) Today, I was put in FSD jail even though I followed all the tug and attention protocols. I've been a fan of Tesla for a long, longtime. But, Tesla's big enough, has been around long-enough. With millions of cars on the road, it's time for some real accountability. I haven't joined this, but I'm thinking about it [https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit/](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit/)

23 RWD HW3 got 12.5 last week

I'm still on FSD 12.4.3, 2020 M3P HW3...

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Tesla sells almost as many cars as Audi? holy shit that's impressive

Im still on the one that drives 10-15 miles an hour below the speed limit and hesitates every time it changes lanes. Its my favorite.

Are you comparing “auto pilot” to fsd just for reference?

Until Tesla assumes responsibility for any collisions (and/or injuries / deaths) its cars cause while FSD (supervised) is active, it is fucking irresponsible for them to post videos of a person using FSD with their hands off of the wheel. (Just like when the dear leader demonstrated a previous version to a journalist and he kept his hands off the wheel) Or maybe I’m wrong and the advertised version of fsd doesn’t inform the person to keep their hands on the wheel.

Yours parks headfirst?? Maybe I'm not patient enough to let it complete the trip

Mine is 2019 M3 Standard Plus. I still on 12.3.6. Is performance vs standard different enough that it would require a unique build?

Not as long as you have HW3. There are separate builds for HW3 & HW4

Same 2018 M3 RWD

Cool. Now show me how it does at night time, and also don’t edit out the wheel pressure nags