I love my Model 3

The ones that hate are the ones who have never been in a Tesla or even driven one. They’re usually switching their opinions once they do. Welcome to the family!

Butts in seats sells 💯 congrats!

So the FSD 12 is do able? Cause I’m conflicted between buying a 2023 or going all in for a newer one for the FSD 14

FSD is incredible. Hundreds of miles with no intervention.

Yeah, I can understand not wanting to own a Tesla because Musk is a jackass, that's their decision, but to hate on the cars, or EVs in general, just shows you're uninformed, at best.

Just to clarify this is with HW3?

Mine is HW3 and it worked with 0 issues.

Hw3 is awesome but I experience lots of fomo from hw4. Hw3 has its limitations in complicated situations. if I could go back I would’ve just spent more for a 2024 with hw4

I'm one month in on the same model and every day driving is just incredible!

No one is owed an explanation or reasoning as to why you buy certain things. As long as you're in a financially stable position in life and can afford it without issue, I say go for it. I, too, was able to get a M3 last year. A '25 premium M3.

How many miles? ;)

14k

Where did you purchase? I’m planning on buying used but am struggling to decide whether to go through Tesla or the secondary market. Have read so many stories.

This is 100%. The majority of the negative comments regarding EV in general are those who haven’t tried or driven an EV. EV are not for everyone but they are awesome!

You know the amount of products they would stop using if they knew what the ceo of that company does? It’s only because musk is in the limelight 🤣

I have friends who still hate it after driving, but I think once you live with a Tesla for about a week, it’s hard to go back. It’s like going from an iPhone back to a Nokia 3310. I’ve since moved on to a G class, but I do miss my Tesla dearly. I just wish they looked a little better, or had luxury models :(

I just got a 2020 M3 SR+ and I love it. All it took was one drive and I was sold. Completely changed my mind about Tesla vehicles.

I own 3 (all purchased from 2018 - 2023) - you're mistaken. I still regard the vehicle in abstract well enough and don't expect to ever own another fossil fueled vehicle - but the total Tesla ownership experience (including the inescapable association w/ the corrosive "leadership") is a major disappointment. With the steadily decreasing emphasis on cars, the outright departure from the original stated mission statement, the repeated and at this point laughable string of broken promises / falsehoods, and several highly attractive competitive BEV offerings arriving this year, I won't be back. I expect to be aggressively downvoted in this forum... have at it. But it doesn't change the fact that it's not just the "ones who have never been in a Tesla" but sadly those who know the company all too well.

I would go Tesla unless you go to a dealership and immediately can tell it's a clean nice car. I got mine at a dealership and so far so good. It's low mileage so not enough time for things to go horribly wrong. Check the carfax, test drive and go from there. The problem with buying from Tesla is you can't test drive and you can't even see the cars.

Yeah that’s the problem with buying from Tesla direct. I appreciate the advice, enjoy the car in good health.

Yeah my plan was to buy a 2024 but at this point the 24 cause almost the same as one brand new. Thinking bout just going newer

Regardless of what you do if you can afford it I really would go for hw4. But either way I do love my car so you can’t go wrong

So not true.

As in not possible at all not true?

Miss it daily as well but… we shall return (maybe)

"I tried FSD today and drove about 20 miles and no matter what you read, trying it is a different story. All the haters have no idea what they are missina to be honest." Not true. I've tried FSD many times, and I think it sucks. I know exactly what I'm missing, and I'm more than happy to be missing it.

What sucks about it?

You state "the ones that hate ARE the ones who have never been in a Tesla or driven one." And that's absolutely NOT true.

Tons of stuff. It's attempted to pull out into moving traffic, directly in front of moving traffic, twice where I had to panic stop it from actually pulling into the traffic lane. It either stays way under the speed limit, or we'll over the speed limit. You can't fucking set a speed to tell it to go. That's fucking stupid. It changes lanes way too often, and for no fucking reason at times, mo matter what setting your on. It hesitates like a 16 year old taking a driver's Ed class while making turns sometimes. It freaks out at tar seams on the road, shadows, or the heat rising off the pavement sometimes. It's overly cautious on roads that have frequent elevation changes (like a hilly road). Yes, this is all HW3 experiences, and I understand HW4 is supposedly better. But I won't be using HW4. I love all the FSD dickriders who think it can do no wrong. Lol.

I have a 2020 SR+ with HW3. The FSD works very well in my urban city but I have had some instances where I needed to take over. It’s also curbed the rear wheels twice which was super disappointing. I don’t currently have an active subscription as it is winter time and I don’t trust it with the snow and ice we get, but I’ll likely revisit in a few months when we’re 100% out of winter. HW4 is the way to go on these.

How about charging? Is it bad/good? How convenient is it compared to gas cars. Do you always have to watch the percentage?

I'll tell you this. If you have no way to charge at home, don't get a Tesla. I charge at home and every morning I wake up with a full battery. If you have to super charge every day or every couple of days, it's too inconvenient

I didn’t say 100% of them, but semantics, do ya thang

All means entirety, or total number. Perhaps you should use one of the terms...many, or some, or most, depending on what you're trying to convey. But do ya thang.

I’ve been thinking about getting a 2023 M3. I know looking at Reddit posts probably isn’t the best deciding factor when choosing a car because everyone thinks theirs is the best. But most of the posts I see say that a 2024 model is drastically better than the 2023 model for things like, HW4, and road noise. What are your thoughts OP? Obviously you like your car. What do you think about the people saying the newer models are “so much better”?

Fair enough. Ever have to worry about running out of charge while on the go?

I haven't had it long enough to tell you but it seems unlikely I'll worry about it during my daily routine. It might be a problem for road trips but the Tesla maps will tell you which charger to stop at and how long to charge during a road trip once you put your destination in. I haven't tried it yet but it seems like it works

I just got my model 3 today 2023 lfp battery hw3 and the ryzen chip and I will have to say it's been great. It seems like to get the configuration I wanted I would have to spend almost $40k (white on white) also I know some of the new model 3s from 2025 onward don't have Autopilot. After using the FSD on my 2023 I will say sometimes it does get a little sketchy riding too close to the line or even riding on the line sometimes. But Autopilot had been great. It does a great job staying centered on the line I got mine for $24,100 from tesla with 24k miles I was searching for about a month and couldn't find any better deals in my area for the configuration I wanted other than tesla. I just drove the highland a couple days ago and while I will say the ride felt smoother it sort of felt slower. The sales rep told me they smoothed out the acceleration so idk if that has to do with it. But after driving that a couple days ago and driving mine today I definitely didn't see it being worth another $10-15k

I test drove the legacy model 2021 to 2023 and the 2024+ model as well. I can tell you that there is a noticeable difference between the 2024 model and the 2023 model. The 2024 M3 is better. It's quieter, the suspension is significantly better + you get the cooled seats, the ambient lighting. However, the price is significantly higher. The cheapest 2024 I could find was 33k with 27k miles. HW3 vs HW4 doesn't seem to matter much for FSD supervised. My HW3 FSD works like a charm. I bit with FSD unsupervised HW4 will matter more. I personally didn't think the difference warranted paying extra for it. So I stayed within my budget and got a nice enough car for a very reasonable price. Someone else ate the big portion of th depreciation and I'm glad I don't have to worry about that.

Thanks for the actual input rather than just saying one is better than the other. The pricing difference is a little ridiculous to me which is why I’m leaning towards a 2023 model. But I wanted to see what others had to say about it. Having autopilot is also exactly why I’m looking at the models before 2025. Terrible move to get rid of that.

Thanks OP. The pricing difference between the models is pretty steep. I wanted some input from others experience before buying. I think I’d rather keep that extra ~10k in my pocket over a 2024 model. From what I’ve read, HW3 seems to work fine. This would be my first Tesla or EV in general, so I’m trying to get as much info as possible, so I appreciate it.

Any time. This is my first EV and Tesla ever too. I've been doing research for years haha. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

I literally just bought the exact same car and same year. How much did you get it for out the door? I also got mine at dealership. They had to sneak in a bunch of "dealership upgrades" but I thought it was a good deal still.

My roomate reacted like a POS and threatened to not pay electric if I charge at home. Even though I said I could pay difference and track it all. I don't drive too far and here in CA it's still cheaper to use super charger than gas so, I don't mind it.

The one annoying thing I find is that I'm constantly looking at my charge. And so many features consume charge.

Do you use the auto steer function? 24k, is that pre tax or out the door?

no one hates you, it’s just that all your points are gibberish

Hows your insurance rates treating you ? Mine quadrupled in 1 year of owning one

Never go full re T. Too late. :(

I just bought my used 2023 from Tesla last week. I did find the one I was interested in was actually located at my local telsa service center, so they allowed me to get in and look at it multiple times (had to take my husband to look at it). However, I could not test drive it. I’ve had it a week now and LOVE it. One good thing about buying used from telsa is you get an extra year on the basic warranty.

Your experience sucked. Mine didn't. To each their own!

I hear ya. FSD on my ‘24 S has been incredible. Amazing technology

Just echoing what Dallas mentioned, not only from a cost perspective but conveniency, if you can’t have a charger at home, it’s not worth it. As for road trips, with my 2024 Model 3, have done Toronto to Boston and Toronto to Orlando and it’s a breeze. The maps literally direct you where to stop at charges which are littered all across the country. You will have no problem. And FSD is god sent.

I appreciate the info. Enjoy the car!

I don't get posts like this, you're happy about your car, but you're also focused on random internet haters? People like you can never just be happy i swear.

Try HW4 and it will change your mind, it's that good.

I am with you 100% on this… the FSD is on a completely different level…. Once you try it there’s no way you can go back… especially early in the morning when your dozing off and still needs to drop the kids to school….. man I just can’t wait for the unsupervised version of it

Yeah, I've got a '23 Model 3 on HW3 and FSD has never worked well for me, especially on AZ roads and freeways with bright sunlight and shadows. Multiple hard "phantom" breaking events for no reason other than shadows from overpasses or freeway stacks. Or a bike rider on the side of the road. My friend has a Cybertruck with HW4 and he does like 98.5% FSD and hasn't had the breaking issues. So apparently it's just a hardware issue for me. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Regardless, I actually like and prefer to drive myself so no big deal to me.

I'm sure you've heard this a lot if you're asking this question, but if you have a charger at home and don't drive long distances it's great. It sucks when we have to take my M3P on long distance trips though. There's a charger right off the highway close to my family's town, so that part's easy, but having to plan an extra stop, especially when I'm so close to just being at my destination, sucks. You also have to consider your destination and if there is charging available. In my case I have to charge enough to get to town, do any driving around, and get back to that charger. My last trip was scary because I, unfortunately, got to find out that the mileage remaining can be at 0 for at least 5-6 miles before your car shuts off. In short: If you're staying close to home and it's commuter car it's great. If you're going on long trips often it sucks. I wouldn't even consider getting an electric car if I didn't have a charger for it at home, I know some people buy them thinking since they live close to a super charger it's fine, but it's really not :/

It works fine, just make sure you're not trying to stop at a charger with less than about 10% left. It's not 100% accurate on how much charge you'll have when you get to the charger, but it's pretty damn close. Being able to set how much charge you want to have at your destination is nice too, but again, make sure you give yourself a good amount of breathing room there too.

As someone whose owned 2 Teslas and is stuck with one because Elon won't STFU and it's practically worthless now I wholeheartedly agree. If these cars had half the shit Elon perpetually says is 'coming next year' they'd be incredible.

I was a hater until I rented one. Never considered one until I learned about the used EV tax credit. M3LR with acceleration boost is such an amazing car at $21k from Tesla. Cannot beat this value and driving experience for a $21k vehicle.

Mind if I ask the price?

My 2023 M3 RWD with LFP is quiet with an excellent suspension. To me, the FSD 12.6.4 is excellent. I wouldn't spend a lot of money to upgrade to HW4. HW4 may handle some situations better, but I don't care. I would rather drive myself when things are complicated or dangerous. On the negative side I wouldn't recommend LFP to anyone who experiences a long winter. LFP loses a lot of range in the cold and charges very slowly if it is not preconditioned.

In my experience, TACC has the phantom braking problem. FSD does not. (sorry for the mistake).

Tesla’s certainly aren’t for everyone, but once you actually sit inside one and drive it, your mind changes at least a little bit! My parents are boomers and they hated the idea of electric vehicles. Then, they sat and drove in my model 3 and they realized how truly great it is. Again, not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s certainly not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

Darn

LOL. Troll on, clown.

This is nothing but regurgitated Reddit trollshit. You’ve never driven a Tesla.

I have had a 2020 model 3 lr for about a month. I bought site unseen from Tesla and it has 40k miles. FSD is a game changer for me. Some guy at the auto parts store was talking crap about how he wouldn’t own one … he went on and on with all kinds of reasons that I already debunked by doing research. I asked if they had a car trash container and if they stocked Tesla wipers. The employee almost died laughing. Oh you might need window washer fluid….I ended up buying nice looking tire stem caps because one was missing. Charging when going out of town has not been a problem for me because there are lots of Superchargers and it costs about $15 and 30 minutes at the cafe to get full charge when I was down to 20% power ($0.13 per mile vs $0.05/mile at home).

2023 m3p. Going on 11 months and I still love mine.

What a weird hill to die on.