Autopilot is no longer available on new cars

He's already saying they're going to raise the price of FSD more, too. They need to call it something else. Until I can watch a movie while it drives for me, it' ain't FSD.

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The autopilot is annoying. "Jiggle the wheel." I jiggle it. "YOU NEED TO JIGGLE THE WHEEL." I jiggle it a little harder. "IF YOU DON'T JIGGLE IT, I'M BANNING YOU FROM AUTOPILOT!" I aggressively jiggle it. *doo doo* "Autopilot turned off because you're obviously trying to change lanes." What's super annoying was I rented a Subaru and it had autopilot where if I put on the blinker, it would allow me to change lanes and keep it active. Why does Subaru have that and not Tesla?! EDIT: I already know about the volume buttons and I'm not gonna do the work to find the one perfect spot the car will accept my hands. This is stupid and annoying.

I am waiting on confirmation though because everyone is saying TACC doesn't have lane assist.

You will own nothing, and you will like it.

So I don't have a tesla, but an ID.4 (lease, thankfully), but the self driving or w/e they call it does this. If I don't jiggle the wheel, it will bring the thing to a stop. The issue is, I hold onto the wheel and for me to "jiggle" it enough to remove the warning, I have actually move the direction of the vehicle in way that's not natural. You depart a straight line of travel, that you would maintain by holding the wheel naturally. It's terribly annoying.

Fine, I'll continue to do without it.

You can just change your volume up and down one notch. You just need to do something on the wheel.

Well, if this is true (haven't looked into it), then this really sucks. Was planning to replace my Model 3P with a new one in the next couple months. I love Autosteer and dislike FSD.

If you drive with just one hand resting against 8 o clock or so, this won’t come up at all.

Then I'd buy a BYD. Simple

Look at tesla used inventory, autopilot wiring is replaced with TACC with auto steer. This however is different than new purchase.

It’s not the jiggle. The car measures the resistance to moving the steering wheel. The weight of one hand (or a sock with some change in it) will prevent the nag.

yes, AutoPilot is being removed and FSD may be renamed.

Not too familiar with it, never seen the wiring of any of it so I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. I just know that if he is getting rid of lane assist with TACC then this car at the prices he is asking is just less and less appealing by the day.

Wiring =writing

Yep I was so happy to get a new one and not have that annoyance!

Fucking California ruins everything

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I tried autopilot on my Model 3 Highland on a 750 mile round trip between Vancouver (WA) and Pullman last weekend and found it excruciatingly annoying. The constant reminding me to jiggle the wheel and keep my eyes on the road. And also the fact that it disengaged every time I changed lanes to pass a slower moving truck on the freeway. Also the fact that if you aren't dead center in the lane when you re-engage it swerves suddenly when re-engaged. And yes, my left hand was on the wheel the whole time on the 9:00 position. After 100 miles I turned it off and the remaining trip was much more relaxed just using the normal cruise control.

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I bought a plug-in module that moves the cruise control speed wheel up and down one notch every few seconds. It's fast enough the car never even reacts to it but it avoids the nag. It basically gives me 99% of what I would ever use full self-driving for

Does this include older Model 3s? I actually use this feature fairly frequently but I'm not willing to pay for it. Will I lose this? I have a 2019 M3.

That trillion dollar pay package has to be paid for somehow

If you are in the US no you ain't

Where can I find this device?

I guess the retail price pre 2026 teslas will get higher. I don't see how this is going to last, unless they release something else.. they can't keep up with competition and fsd is not for everyone.. On further investigation- only the "Autopilot" name has been ditched, now it's TACC+autosteer. It makes sense as there is a lot of confusion, most people don't understand Autopilot and FSD are completely different systems.

Are you saying that Tesla removed autopilot from all 50 states because of a lawsuit in California? Also, even if Tesla can't use the word "autopilot" in California, Tesla can easily change the name rather than terminate the product.

TACC is separate from autosteer, lane departure warning is independent from either tho

Got a link? Thanks!

what;s the difference between auto steer and autopilot and FSD? FSD isn't full self-driving, so it's like an autopilot. But they have autopilot, except now they don't but they have auto steer? or do they? has that gone as well? what is it with Tesla and all these things? what do they have that you actually get, and what is subscription ?

You’re probably a new ap owner but you don’t “jiggle” the wheel with ap. Just rest your hand at the 7 o clock position and it NEVER nags. Basic ap is the best feature, even more so than fsd on freeways because it keeps you in your lane without cutting out.

That's wild. I rarely use it though cause the highway I would use it on has cross traffic so it likes to slam on the brake when there is a car like 1/2 a mile down the road.

Yea so if TACC is basically radar assisted cruise control with no lane assist then it is worse value than ICE cars at the moment. Not paying $55k after taxes for that lol. I'd  rather get a hybrid with 600 mile range at that point.

You can only do that a few times. For me it detects that I’m not putting pressure on wheel after a while and nags constantly even after scrolling the volume button.

I've had it for a long time. This reply will probably also get downvoted to oblivion for some unknown reason, but I do that and it still bugs me constantly. Maybe mine is defective.

Most likely just user error. Try it while resting your left hand naturally on the 7 o clock position on the wheel. You don’t need to constantly make adjustments on the ap system. The system will recognize the slight weight of your hand. Good luck!

Weird. 2021 and I don’t have that issue.

Yes, that is exactly why they removed it. It’s never that simple from a liability standpoint, they will just remove it entirely to rid themselves of any possible liability until they can resolve any pending suits or issues with the state.

your hand may not be heavy enough. try wearing more rings or a larger watch.

I'll try that (pretty sure I do that anyways), but doesn't it feel ridiculous that I have to find some precise spot to place my hand to use what is basically cruise control in my car? Sometimes the "smartness" of the car makes it so much dumber.

FSD can hypothetically self drive. It can turn, stop at red lights, change lanes. Autopilot is staying in your lane and adjusting speed/stopping.

You may have something faulty going on. I’ve never had to move the wheel more than very slightly to get the notification to go away, and certainly have never needed to give it close to enough force for it to disengage Autopilot entirely.

mine seems to be just fine with a little pressure from my leg against the wheel 99% of the time

Seriously, this is the reason they are doing it. No other way to meet that particular requirement if you don’t remove a safety feature. It’s also crazy that it’s not being talked about enough in that light. It is VERY obvious the bonus package is why this change happened.

I had this same experience with FSD back when it didn't use the attention awareness cabin camera to track eyes on my '21 model 3. What helped me is setting the steering stiffness to sport and giving a slight wiggle left and right every 30 seconds or so. I used the normal steering stiffness before and ran into the same problem you had.

Basic ap requires attentiveness and this is naturally the best way for Tesla to enforce that. You can hold it at any spot you choose as long as you hold it. The 7 o’clock position just works best since it’s the most natural and you can rest your hand.

A knee rub to nudge the wheel also works.

I just went on the website and looked. Traffic Aware Cruise Control is now the standard for all new Model 3's, including the Performance. It's way down at the bottom of the 'compare models' chart, but it's there. But near the very top of the page is the option to purchase or subscribe to FSD(Supervised). So it's pretty clear they're downplaying the loss of Autopilot and pushing hard on FSD subscriptions.

I'm not understanding. I didnt get FSD. But my autosteer beta will still be fine?

I saw a video awhile back that showed how to set the autopilot so it would not shut off when changing lanes. IIRC you double tap the speed control button, or something along those lines. It may have been a setting on the screen.

Yeah to each their own but I'm not a fan of lane keep assist, whether it is Tesla or Toyota. Neither of them work reliably enough for me to care about it.

Why don't you actually look into it and get accurate info instead of making something up before posting it?

Yeah, I see the same. Basically is going to add another $100 per month to the cost of ownership, because I'm not going to go without AutoPilot. Maybe I'll get used to FSD, but in the past whenever I've tried it, I have found it to be way too conservative.

Yeah, I've used it a bunch of times (HW3) and it's really only useful to me in stop and go traffic. When it's open freeway it's usually easier to just steer, since you have to engage and disengage pretty often anyway. The TACC is pretty great, though, but I do get phantom braking pretty often. So yeah, overall, not a huge missed feature IMO.

He says they're only going to raise it when it's unsupervised. Given their track record, I wouldn't expect this anytime soon.

Did you read his tweet on this? He said exactly what you mentioned. It will go up in price when it’s unsupervised https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2014539856890716418

Yeah, I don't think they're taking away features, but new cars won't have auto steer (beta), which is a feature of "autopilot". New cars only get TACC, and then the option for a FSD subscription.

Man I just bought a brand new Model 3 Premium exactly a month ago, I have basic autopilot and autosteer (beta), will I lose these features? Or only those who buy from now?

I hadn't seen that tweet, I saw one I guess previous to this that only said "as FSD's capabilities improve".

You’ll keep.

Oh wow that sucks for new cars. I for one dont enjoy FSD and has not impressed me whenever I have the free trials. But I do use autosteer beta for long drives. 99$ is too much for a subscription and 8k just doesn't seem worth it to me since I dont enjoy it and am seeing others who have teslas since 2018 and still waiting for the full unsupervised FSD.

No they won't take it away.

Link?

Tesla weas also required to rebrand Full Self Driving under that CA lawsuit, rebranding Auto Pilot would have been no different. The removal of 'Auto Pilot' is nothing more than removing a standard feature that's becoming common in many vehicles in an aggressive push to move the consumer into purchasing a FSD Supervised subscription.

I mean. Who knows with Elon. You absolutely must take everything he says with a grain of salt. I don’t think he will eliminate FSD purchase outright forever, I don’t believe they will never allow FSD transfer to new vehicles forever. I think he will open up windows of opportunity within quarter ends based on past incentives. There is no reason not to as it creates buyer fomo boosting sales, and first and foremost they want to sell as many cars as they can. People on Reddit are very reactionary so it doesn’t shock me everyone here is very upset about autopilot removal. But based on what I know I could see them making autopilot a subscription option just like FSD just much cheaper. It sucks but no one can really predict how they will handle this long term.

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[this](https://teslaunch.net/products/tesla-autopilot-nag-elimination-module-steering-wheel-module-tsl6-upgraded-version-for-model-3-y-2019-2023?variant=46302480990431) is the one I have, but there's others out there too. some plug into the steering wheel, some into the rear of the center console

Yeah, unfortunately, the Model 3P is so much better than the competition (for my personal needs/wants), that I kind of feel stuck paying whatever it costs. I'm not going back to pumping gas, the Supercharger network is important to me for road trips, and what other car sub-$60K can accelerate like this one?

it is crazy. for most people autopilot (or in my case EAP) is enough because we know FSD is still a bit of a pipe dream. My model 3 is 8 years old and I am thankful every day I didn't prepay for FSD. However I have gotten much use from autopilot on freeway driving and it is the best practical feature for traffic on the fwy.

Because Money.

Elon's trillion dollar pay package is partially tied to his getting 10 million active FSD subscriptions Elon: cancels non-FSD Autopilot Elon: makes FSD subscription only Masses: "fucking California..." [https://www.statista.com/chart/35415/elon-musk-proposed-1-trillion-pay-package-at-tesla/](https://www.statista.com/chart/35415/elon-musk-proposed-1-trillion-pay-package-at-tesla/)

Autopilot is worthless. Tesla would have to pay me money to use it. Traffic aware, cruise control is loads better.

I don't believe that, at all. Do you have a statement from Tesla connecting its removal of autopilot to that California case? When I read about the California case, the judge gave Tesla 60-90 days to revise its marketing language, and that period started in mid December. The judge did not order Tesla to immediately stop selling autopilot. Tesla can also simply change the name and continue to include that system on its cars. In reality, that’s all the California court is asking Tesla to do. It's also important to note that the California case has been going on for about four years. So if this was a liability concern, Tesla could’ve done this years ago. Also, if it’s a liability issue, the name autopilot is still on thousands and thousands of vehicles. So Tesla’s liability still exists. And most states have laws that do not allow evidence of a subsequent remedial measure to be introduced at trial in a liability action. As does Califirnia. So changing the name shouldn’t be an issue in that respect. The feds have also taken issue with Tesla using the word autopilot, and the phrase full self driving, to describe something that isn’t. and that has been going on for years. From everything I’ve read, this is nothing more than a business decision by Tesla to push subscriptions to full self driving.

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Auto pilot sssuuuxxx. Love love love FSD.

I use Autopilot almost every day with zero issues.

Cool

Pretty sure Elon just announced FSD will be subscription only on all new cars after 2/14. Do not recall it being available on X or S exclusively.

I wonder why they didn’t include FSD on the cybertruck too? It’s in a similar price point.

Just pay Comma AI the $1k for their device, as long as the Tesla you are buying is compatible, and get "FSD" on the cheap.

>> Autopilot would even stop at a light No it wouldn’t. Autopilot and even Enhanced Autopilot do not and have never had this feature, only FSD. AP/EAP *will* blow through stop signs and red lights.

Just turn your volume knob up or down. It works just the same and is much easier

Neither of you are wrong, it is most likely a combination of both. Reduce legal liability while also incentivizing FSD purchases/subscriptions. Win-win for Tesla leaving customers as the losers (as always).

Let’s face the facts, Autopilot was not for Tesla customers, Tesla customers were paying to beta test the software for an entire new business (robo taxi). Now that they have the model trained and a release canidate. the new rev stream will be robo taxi and Optimus. Sure they may still let you subscribe.

Can you remove the equivalent of the SIM Card in a Model 3 so they cant remove the Autopilot in the car as they cant remotely access it?

Get the S3XY commander module by Enhance Auto and this allows you to have “continuous autopilot”. It auto disengages AP when you indicate to change lanes, and then re-engages it after a couple of seconds after the indicator has turned off. By this time you should be in the other lane. It works great.

How about europe?

hold up... they are removing basic AP, like this shit I have for free in my Y currently. auto steer and cruise? I thought it was paid FSD is going away and it's only subscription now., but basic AP is still a base feature?

autopilot is better than fsd sometimes tbh

Auto pilot is terrible anyways. My guess is eventually FSD supervised will be free with all cars replacing auto pilot. And FSD unsupervised will be the subscription option. If you want to take a nap and have reduced liability you’ll have to pay for it.

They still have Lane Departure Avoidance.

Not saying you will like it, but it mostly gets better with each update - 2 steps forward, 1 step backward, so whatever you didn’t like 6 months ago is probably way out of date info. They’ll be other things you don’t like, but it’s mostly usable. I did a 120 mile run from rural America to Manhattan all on FSD - including the Holland tunnel, dealing with a police present crash site on the highway, double parked cars, pedestrians all over the place, bikes in bike lanes and in the road.

So I get FSD. What's the difference between autopilot and auto steer? apart from you don't get the first but do get the second. I noter cars, auto steer is staying in your lane, and adaptive cruise control. So what's autopilot?

Yes, and Canada. They continue to offer Autopilot in other markets.

Does it actually steer and stay centered in lane or just abruptly jerk you back when you cross the line?

Agreed. Not paying for fsd at this point and if they’re pulling autopilot they will be taking my m3 back

Not that I had a near to replace my 2018 stealth performance model 3 but now there’s another reason why to avoid the update ; back in the day autopilot was called something else but smart cruise, auto steer, and the summon things all came with the car

Auto steer should been the name from the beginning. And they should fix it, not remove it. Trying to build an image as a tech company and every competitor have better tech, even the cheaper ones.

Crazy. And given the fact that about half of the stock is held in retail accounts by smaller individual investors vs insiders or institutional investors it seems like the masses are behind him getting paid, as much as some owners complain

My 2018 Model 3 with HW3 is handsfree as long as I'm looking. The interior cabin camera sees if you're looking. This update was recent for the past few months. No jiggling steering wheel. If it's asking you to jiggle the wheel then your eyes must've been elsewhere for a long period of time. Even then when you look back the alert goes away. Legacy S/X on the other hand with no interior camera is an annoyance. Edit: realized you're talking about Autopilot. Sorry I'm on FSD.

And so the enshittification of Tesla begins. As a result I will be keeping my 3 and Y until they are no longer roadworthy rather than upgrading

It was good while it lasted but not surprised. Other brands charge you like 3k$ for the package to have it (and it’s a worse version) or have it only as an extra at their highest trim levels and no one complains so it was a question of when not if

I am a M3 owner and stock owner. I did not vote for the comp package. But I am happy my 50 or shares are up 60% over the last 5 years

If you want... Volkswagen ID.4 is compatible with Comma AI's Comma 3X hardware, but it requires a third-party "MEB gateway harness" from xnor.shop and the use of the SunnyPilot software branch rather than the standard OpenPilot. Will remove any need for even touching the steering wheel as it adds driver monitoring camera.

if this change was due to the lawsuit ..why didnt they just change the name? It definitely reads more like a move to increase FSD subs.

Autopilot is better than 90% of TACC, lane keeping assist type things in most cars at this point. It was one of the main reasons I got a Tesla. I sub to fsd every few months to play around with it so if it is basically fsd or nothing I'll choose nothing and get a different car when it's time to buy again. Sometimes I prefer AP to FSD because it keeps me going straight on the highway going the exact speed I tell it. My commute is almost straight highway and only 20-25 minutes and AP handles it flawlessly.

I’m not gonna tell you what you should or shouldn’t do, but that being said I don’t think you should share this information on the internet. Lot of idiots out there & these reminders to pay attention to the road are there for a reason.

I like boring predictability... So I'm gonna drop the $8k for my 2024 MYP. Sure, autopilot was nice, but this announcement means that any thought of making anything about autopilot "better" is completely dead done dead. Realizing that they will continue to push the cost of FSD up, this will be just be a way to shorten the purchase v subscription ROI calculation. I'll bet that there will still be opportunities to swap FSD to new purchase cars in the future, as Tesla will likely try to make used FSD vehicles unavailable from them (to ensure more subscription customers.) The only good news is that at least we are given notice and a chance to buy it before the doors are shut. I think that Musk is finally starting to realize that hitching his wagon to Trump last year, and Doge, was a big self-inflicted error.

An incredible own goal. Stupid idea that has no benefit whatsoever so ever. Autopilot is like an entry to FSD.

Hot take / playing devils advocate, but if it actually becomes unsupervised (doubt it ANY time soon), price increase would make sense especially for someone like me. I drive a little over an hour to and from work every day, and if I could use that time to do work it would honestly buy a lot of time back. Turn an 8-hour office shift into a 7-hour shift with 1-hour of car time to do my emails or whatever. But that's just my dream, I'm not banking on it or even thinking it'll happen anytime soon. I've already gotten at least a dozen "Take over immediately" critical disengagements on v14. And yeah removing autopilot is dumb.

"They are going to force customers to either not have any auto steer or pay for a FSD subscription." Ummm - No.. customers vote with their feet and wallet. I would rather buy another car then a Tesla without basic tech included in it!

I was planning on upgrading to a Model Y next year, this won't be the case going forward. I use AP all the time when I'm on the highway and have zero interest in FSD - especially at $100 a month. I'll be looking at another brand now.

I drove some random European car I had never heard of and it had way better autopilot than Tesla. I feel like it is very naive for Tesla to bank on the brand to continue these crazy costs for these features. I thought Tesla was going to start going the other way (making FSD standard) rather than dig in more. It is just making me consider a different car for my next purchase.

Yes, the main selling point of Tesla is the statement that their software is constantly evolving and the cars are getting better and smarter. But in this case it is from a bad autopilot that I don't understand they didn't update for such a long time to nothing.. they lost their selling point. That's why I don't really think there will be no auto steer. Maybe they change the name, the software completely, it's already confusing for so many to understand the difference of FSD and Autopilot, and how they work.

Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with the price hike given the massive increase in usefulness, I was just correcting what the commenter said.

Look into s3xy buttons.. I have one on my left armrest. I just hit that instead of the jiggle jiggle jiggle.

Don't we all just use the scroll wheel to get annoying messages off? 2020 M3 SR+ FSD

If you have autopilot now - does is stay? ('24 model X)

[Comma.ai](http://Comma.ai) is there when y'all are ready to stop giving Elon money and move to open source self driving.

We bought our m3 last March, the fsd is what twisted my arm to buy it. It drives like a normal person for the most part, actually in some ways it drives pretty aggressively. I will say this last update it hesitates longer at stops now but a tap of the throttle and off it goes. I am 100% against forcing subscriptions on us however. I guess instead of buying a new m3 next time I’ll buy a used model s if it includes fsd.

I just press the wheel a little with my finger and it satisfies the request.

In other words, you like nothing, and you will own it.

There are a lot of ways to bypass this. Use the knee, one hand for cheap ways. Otherwise you can substitute a pcb in the steering wheel and won't do that anymore (instantly bypassed). On top of that, obscure the internal camera and you are waay more free and get less nags

I already wasn't planning on buying another Tesla after my existing ('18 model 3) but now I somehow have even less consideration.

It’s come a long way and it’s really good now. I don’t remember the last time I disengaged because it was doing the wrong thing. Now I only touch the wheel when I get into a parking lot.

Removing 'autopilot' might also be related to recent court cases.

I think rivian and lucid seem like good alternatives in the near future.

> Also the fact that if you aren't dead center in the lane when you re-engage it swerves suddenly when re-engaged. This took me by surprise at 75mph, which is the worst time to have anything taking you by surprise. Legitimately dangerous defect in AP. It will swerve HARD, by quite a lot!

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was contemplating a new Model Y to replace my 2019 3P-. Guess I’ll no longer be pursuing that.

It's not forced on you. It's optional. Or buy another car. Not that big of a deal.

Rode to Toronto and back from pittsburgh last week mid snow storm on I-90. I could barely see 5 feet ahead of me FSD took control the entire route with zero disengagements. Only had to stop once in toronto to wipe off the cameras from all the snow. In other words FSD is the shit lol

That's crazy, keeping my MYLR 2024 now.

Just makes me think in the end game, if a car can drive it's self, why the need to own one? Currently cars spend 95% of the time sat doing nothing, if you can have it off making money for you driving other people around, Tesla will want their cut. If less people own cars Tesla still need a revenue stream. Future transport will be a service based model not ownership.

Tesla on the downslope of irrelevance? You don’t say. Musk mismanaged the company from having an overwhelming market advantage to the brink of becoming uncompetitive. Once the top talent begins to depart, it’s over.

FSD is really nice now without having the nag and them backing off short phone usage.

Never paying for it. Way too expensive and didn't feel worth the price.

No but that sort of thing should be allowed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=DfNRCgPN1nTACM5T&v=3C1Gnxhfok0&feature=youtu.be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=DfNRCgPN1nTACM5T&v=3C1Gnxhfok0&feature=youtu.be)

I had a 2019 model 3 with FSD. It was totally worth it. Had to drive from California to Colorado a few times. Not a pipe dream at all.

Are either of them coming out with a sedan that is super fast for under $60k?

What evidence do you have for your last sentence?

I love FSD. I drove myself this morning when I was running late and I switched to FSD as soon as I made up the time.

What, if anything, does this do for the value of used cars with FSD, considering that it can often be transferred to a new car?

Buying a Tesla was a curse, AP completely stopped me from going with any other brand. Autopilot was the number one factor for me in choosing a Tesla. Now the curse is broken, I will be shopping around instead of just going to another Tesla.

At least we don’t have to see all those “phantom breaking” hate posts anymore. It was about time for them to either upgrade it or get rid of it.

Watch Tesla sale goes down and Elon changes the policy again. Auto steer is a basic feature of many EVs.

I'm not.

Yeah, this is going to hurt sales and customer loyalty.  All for Elons pay, its time for him to go.

Haha yay not just me saying it.

Not to mention people dont like subscribing to core features.

Yep, I scroll up one mph on my cruise speed and then next time turn it down or volume up and down one notch works too.

Use the scroll wheels, no jiggling the steering wheel!

You separate the smart cruise control from auto steer by having one activate with a single click and the other with a double click, so when you change lanes only the auto steer turns off so the car continues at the same speed, then double press to reactivate auto steer

I was almost definitely going to buy a new Tesla when the comes and my M3 Highland has done its time. If the new Teslas do not offer autopilot I'll go with a manufacturer that does offer it. This is like removing a reverse camera. It's such a huge feature. Autosteer and TACC are not magic Tesla exclusive features. They do it the best, for sure, but other automakers offer the features. A shitty bottom range Kia has them. This is the dumbest decision.

TACC and Autosteer are Autopilot features. If you select Autosteer, that is basic AP. Going forward, sounds like its TACC only or buying FSD.

Autopilot is still included outside the US

First, he negative comments about DOGE, looking back. Elon Musk says DOGE 'somewhat successful' but would not do it again | Reuters https://share.google/mPkIuKSazeobk3BRN Thin his recent negative cornts about Trump's Peace Comittee in Davos at the Word Conference Face it: losing the tax incentive hurt sales. Hitching up to Trump and alienating liberals (that like to buy EVs) didn't help either.

Just bought a cpo 2023 M3 LR to replace my total 2021 M3 LR. All good on auto pilot. Doubt I will buy another tesla though.

Oh shit that works? Wish I knew earlier

Turn the volume or speed dials on the steering wheel.

I did a 3 hour drive only adjusting the scroll wheel. Worked fine and nothing more than the usual nagging.

I will give it a look, but only have the lease for 1 more year (and I don't drive it during the winter). My intention has been to get a M3P, but I have to admit, I'm not fan of supporting subscription culture...I'd just rather everything go to on demand taxi ( provided of course...which we know it won't be....it's less expensive than a lease or car pmt). Thanks for that info though, I'll be sure to share it on the r/VWiD4Owners

At some point in the future I wonder if they we will remove it for all cars not just new ones. Wouldn’t surprise me.

Point is you hate it when they try to manipulate and control your car.

This is crazy. Specially considering a lot of newer cars pretty much have autopilot when on cruise control.

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thx

Oh if that's the concern , BYD isn't any better

Why would they introduce a feature that forces all of their competitors to come up with something similar only to remove and not have the same features their competitors do?

I have it and never use it....too finicky....TACC does what I need.....no big loss.

It’s only 100 a month, buy some Tesla stock and it will pay for itself

Luckily I ordered mine before this announcement. However, I bought it with that option, so if they remove it, they'll have to pay.

I have a 2020 m3 and just squeeze the wheel a little with my left hand that I usually rest around 6 o clock. That always makes it stop for a bit.

It definitely wasn’t on older versions. I think it arguably was worth it by 13 but I also enjoy watching it. 14 is extremely useful and would be hard to imagine not having

Tesla can not legally sell Tesla without Autopilot in EU, though. So this pretty much applies to US. Sorry guys. ;)

That's it. I'm done with Tesla.

I still have the option to subscribe or buy FSD for $8k…I’m wondering if it’s a gimmick to make us buy it to be “ grandfather in”… 2026 M3 Premium. I’m still in free trial expiring next month

This is a classic example of shitification. Something great comes out and then the manufacturer wrecks it or removes it. Tesla seems to be good at this. First it was removal of the turn signal and gearshift stalks. This was idiotic The MY and the post sale accessory turn signal stalk prove they realize losing it was a mistake The gearshift removal was equally moronic. You don’t change critical controls that your customers are used to. Removing Autopilot now makes the product less competitive as buying FSD will make the good value Teslaa (M3 and MY ) less so.

It's just smart business though. To pay 8,000 to 12,000 bucks for 1 car you would need to use it forever. 7 - 8 years per car for 8 grand. Most people with that kind of extra money are getting rid of their car after a couple years for an upgrade. The only thing it does do for some potential customers that are loyal would allow a bigger upfront cost to FSD and planning on transferring the license to your next Tesla trade in. I don't mind paying 100 bucks for me, right now I still think its worth more like 49.99 atm, but once it gets to a place where you feel 99% safe while its driving almost anywhere thats when its got 100 bucks a month. No one is going to want to pay for that if it's too much per month. A buck a month is a sweet spot for now.

Really? FSD is way better, safer than autosteer. Why do you dislike FSD instead of autosteer just out of curio?

Was just thinking this! I rest my hand at the bottom and don’t get any. I use AP for a 3hr round trip commute 3x a week, including in stop and go traffic - zero issues or excessive nags.

A reminder that FSD doesn’t work outside the USA. Neither does the rest. Their biggest enemy is a roundabout! 😂😂

Doesnt work for me either. Are you in the EU? Could be the reason. The scroll wheel tricks doesnt work here either.

Pay for everything. Lose money and then pay more and keep paying more as the price will always keep increasing. Tesla. Such bullshit.

It's an amazing device. Even compatible with many Tesla models. Watch some of the recent POV vids of drivers with this in their cars. No subscription.

I like driving, I don't need FSD to drive me 15km to work. But I need an autopilot to help me drive 2000km during vacation on the highway. This was the main selling point of Tesla.

Nah this does not work. Have to slightly actually turn the wheel or it keeps nagging

Couldn’t agree more. Once my lease is up I won’t be looking for another Tesla

Looks like a 2024-2025 model 3 with an LFP pack and hw4 might be the best bang for buck long term option for someone wanting a low maintenance car they can keep for 10-15+ years. It’ll have basic autopilot with a battery pack that’ll probably outlast the car and motors.

Would be really shitty for Tesla to sell their cars for over a decade with basic autopilot included for free and then they take it away/bring it back as a subscription only service.

You mean you don’t want to pay $200 per month to use a feature already installed to your car? It is an insane idea to think that would be successful. Even if it fully drove me, I wouldn’t do it.

They're in the process of losing a customer. It's already insane that we have to pay for core features like autopark, especially when other cars do it without subscriptions.

definitely think this is a step the wrong direction, wondering if tesla numbers are garbage q4/25 and they’re trying to make changes going into earnings. I will say this, we pay for fsd, if they increase price I will cancel, the current version is already expensive. I don’t need a car I can sleep in or completely not pay attention, imho thats dangerous and will never get approved.

It definitely feels like being forced on you when you thought that tesla was going to be the only car you would ever drive again. What other car compares to a Tesla? Or are you not an owner of a Tesla? Hw4 cars with fsd make everything else feel like a model T.

I don't mind FSD being paid, but Autopilot should be included and FSD should always have the option for a one off purchase for the life of the car.

That's a pretty stupid decision. What car manufacturer removes features over time? If true, I'm going to take a good hard look at the R2 when my lease is up.

Here is one link that explains it. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8kXasSd7eZo](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8kXasSd7eZo)

Auto steer is autopilot though

Autosteer is no longer available

A tesla is pretty much a subscription on wheels. You own nothing.

So stupid

Autopilot works fine for long fwy stretches and road trips. FSD benefit is marginal until you can just sleep in the car while it drives

Can we get a petition going and paaa it around? How do we do that. Let em know that sucks. I have FSD and love it. It doesn’t even affect me but that’s obscene and going in the other direction compared to every other competitor

The rebrand from autopilot to autosteer is not an issue IMO. It’s removing it from the lineup altogether that is complete BS. If anything, it should not be available on the standard MY but others should have it.

I like it so much that I am angry I have to pay for it. Just think that through..

I think you missed my point.. I don’t mind paying for it, I just don’t want to pay monthly for it. When I bought my new car I paid the 8k happily. When I buy my second car I want to pay 8k for it upfront and be done with it. And when I’m ready to trade it in I want it to transfer like they used to. I’m willing to pay 16k to have fsd on two cars. I want to own what I pay for, I don’t think I’m asking for too much..

I like to pay $8k when I could pay $3,600 over three years that I’ll actually drive the car. That sounds like a very good thing to do and I’m angry about not being able to pay more upfront because I have no idea how time value of money works!

Jesus, you don’t get it, you think everyone situation is just like yours. Let me get my crayons and explain this… I drive less than 10k miles a year, I plan to keep said car for a decade. Try that math once more… I also own a Nissan leaf, guess how long I’ve owned that, in 2027 I will have had it for 10 years. Do you follow now? I was planning on buying a second Tesla in the next one to two years. And guess what? I’d also keep that for a decade… I did the math when I bought it dip shit.

Now I’m never getting rid of my 2024 M3 LFP

EAP does this

Yea, but how much extra does that cost?

Indeed. In the UK EAP costs £3400

There will still be many many people, lots of them in this sub who will suck Tesla's D, so does it matter?

are they removing autopilot on existing vehicles? autopilot and fsd aren't really even remotely the same.

So autopilot is dead as a built in feature? I’m so confused. That would actually keep me from buying another Tesla bc i don’t want nor would i ever purchase FSD.

Well… I was not a fan at first. But I did take my loaner back yesterday using FSD and was practically asleep. On the way home I used autopilot and came to realize how trash auto pilot actually is.

No, I was talking about the new car I'm planning on getting. The only way to get autopilot on a new car from now on is to get FSD.

Autopilot is TACC + steer. They’re just taking away the steer, and maybe only for the lowest model.

new juniper-traded in 2019 M3P… miss that I could switch between cruise and EAP now can only use one or other. For 99$ a month not subscribing to FSD.

It already began when they ditched the LFP premium.. now they are just accelerating the shitification at Lightspeed. Competition will get ahead real quick..

Glad I bought the last available LFP 2025 premium. Will keep till it dies.. let's see what's available in 10 years. Maybe Tesla will have turned around and if not competitors will be available

My guess is That's why Tesla is pushing to get FSD approval in Europe, so that they can also cut out auto steer of all models

Standard Tesla move. Not really surprised. I drank the tea when I bought mine in 2020 and after a few wtfs realized they weren’t the amazing company I thought I signed up with.

Same here, today many cas have better « autopilot », and I guess in 10 years there will be good FSD competitors.

Either they go back on this, or I thnk for the first time that we will see a surge of people go away from Tesla.

Exactly

Yeah, as soon as they announced it and I saw the 10 million FSD subscribers requirement for the trillion dollar package, I thought to myself, "how are they gonna get that many people to subscribe to FSD?". Well, this is one way to try, but I don't think it's going to work. Methinks the only way they get that requirement is to get reliable *unsupervised* FSD to the point people can go to sleep and wake up parked already at their destination. But, I don't even think that there are even 10 million Teslas on the road. And it is estimated that 12% of cars have FSD.

Cheese pizza without the cheese . It will do very well

Teslas terminology confuses me. I bought a juniper in December and it doesn’t say autopilot. In my autopilot menu I can choose from TACC, Autosteer, and FSD. So how does autopilot being removed affect me?

That’s because autopilot is good enough for majority of people so they don’t buy the FSD. They want to make more FSD sales/subscriptions. It’s the reason why they got rid of EAP too. I wish I bought EAP when I was a thing… EAP was perfect for basically 99% of people and FSD was not worth the cost. Now our only choice is FSD or bust.

Because it’s aids for street driving , it takes the worst routes and i prefer driving myself on the streets, autopilot i get in the far left lane and set and forget and move my volume up and down

Since one of the last updates, I haven't actually been able to get mine to work. The option to enable is still there, but it doesnt actually engage.