FSD Price Subscription Poll

I think he is opening the door wide open for competitors. $100 was already a bit too much for me. These cars are not cheap, and the loss of the tax credit makes them less appealing, add on some of his recent decisions and I don't know if I will be getting another one.

I think Tesla would make a lot more money if it asked people to pay on demand, using a pay-as-you-go business model. Even if they capped the total at $150, I feel more people would be buying. Eventually, heavy users would opt for the cheaper fixed $100.

$200 is probably about right if you can truly sleep or ignore the road. Someone with an average commute would save around 20 hours a month. Even at minimum wage in a dense city that's \~$320 of your life freed back up just from the daily work commute.

tbh while they are obviously not cheap, I do consider them very affordable depending on which model you go for and for an electric car of this spec the value for money is amazing I think

As someone with a hybrid/wfh schedule, I don't see myself spending more than maybe $30 a month for something like FSD. Might be good to sub for a month for roadtrips or something though.

A majority of Elons pay deal is linked to numerous financial targets Tesla has to hit. This is one way to milk the cow a bit more to hit those targets for himself. There is absolutely no good reason to raise the price considering FSD would not even exist in its current form without the folks who have been paying for it and essentially testing it for Tesla now for years. Pretty scummy move quite frankly.

I'm not interested in a FSD monthly subscription, so downgrading from autopilot to tacc in a future Tesla model would be a no go for me. I'd probably move onto Toyota.

I feel like the world is getting more stupid every day, how can you be ok paying 200 a month for something like this?

I subbed for a roadtrip last summer. I liked it, didn't love it, and absolutely wouldn't pay over 100/month for it.  I'd feel differently if I didn't have to keep feeding it inputs every 20 seconds. And without the extended road trip I wouldn't need it at all.

I either own the car outright, or I don't.  The exception is network service because that's an actual service.

Unless that competitor is hacking the car, its a captured market.

Where have they announced that basic Autopilot is being ditched on new cars?

I drive about an hour each way to work every day. I really enjoy FSD and would not want to go without it. If it went above $200 (the original price i was paying monthly) I don't think i would be able to stomach it. $100 a month is what got it to be a no brainer for me. If it went above $200 I may have to look at getting a different car.

imagine buying a car that's so expensive and then on top of that having to pay a sub too.. What a time to be alive..

I don’t need FSD. I only subscribe on a need basis which averages once a year for big road trips (IE: over 6 hours of driving or so)

remove the 100% tariff on chinese EVs and check the market in a year. Its easy to capture the market when your competition is not allowed to compete.

having had FSD on my 2018 model 3 then not having it on my next 2023 i like it but its not worth $100 a month for me. With other manufactures like Rivian setting the price lower and NVidia I feel it should be cheaper. i would pay $50 a month for it.

How does a Chinese EV have anything to do with selling software to a Tesla owner?  People tend to keep cars a long time. People aren't going to buy another car over $100. They just won't subscribe, so its either a captured market because you can't run any other software, or there is no market because people just won't subscribe.

Tesla captured the market because the competition is not allowed to compete. Let them sell the xiaomi su7 in the usa without tariffs and check how many teslas they sell in a year or two.

Current versions do not require inputs every 20 seconds. So long as your eyes are open and generally on the road it can go for an hour or more without bothering you.

I could buy a 10 year old car and still have better driver assists without a subscription now. That’s my whole reason for buying a Tesla. He goes crazy with the FSD prices (I pay so the autopilot thing doesn’t affect me) and my next car will easily be something else.

Same here. Seems like his latest tweets are going after those of us that subscribe for this reason. I don’t see how more people would subscribe if he’s increasing the prices like this.

Honestly, I use FSD a lot but when I happen to be using another car in the family for a bit, I find that I don't miss it as much as I would have thought.

I own FSD on my '19 Model 3. I don't think I'd pay a subscription for it. Edit: And those poll options are crazy to me. I drove >28,000 miles last year and I think $100/mo is already too much. $300/mo?!?! Bananas.

This would mean not buying a new tesla for me.

Hi, the rest of the world exists. r/USDefaultism

Check out the Canadian market a year or two from now. \~50,000 Chinese cars are coming in at a 6% tariff over the next year, which still prices them well below US or Japanese cars (even those made in Canada, let alone imports).

I would pay $50 no brainer. I don't even use it that frequently, shoot I would probably forget I even had it.

I pay montly now $100, but I dont keep it active. Only when I need to travel long distances for work. I do think $100 is too high. For $50 I would probably be ok with it. BUT I haven't heard of them removing autopilot on new 3 and Y's. That is DIRTY and a mistake. Smells of desperation.

I hopefully never will need to pay. I bought FSD back in 2018 (for 3K). They keep offering me to take it with me when I get a new car. I plan on keeping this car for 12+ years, so 144 months. So I will have paid $20/month.

dude im from the EU. And here you can see how chinese EV are eating into tesla sales. I defaulted to USA because as far as im seeing most of the people in the sub seem to be in the us and most discussions are about stuff in the us.

should be a standard feature if he wants to sell cars and actually believes the things he says about it being a paradigm shift - it would be more than worth it to the company to have us all beta testing it, instead of some of us paying to beta test it (he is full of shit)

should be a standard feature

mommy not there to tell someone to go to bed, so mommy can drive while sleepy boy on way to work

The tariffs are there for a reason. Reason being, the Chinese are heavily subsidized by their government. What competition are we talking about?

This is where the overlap between car ownership and the not-yet-existent robotaxi network addresses. Does it make sense to subscribe to a self-driving car you own but use very little when all your occasional driving needs can be met by summoning a $0.20 a mile uber? We're entering the transition zone and it is not going to be optimal in making great financial decisions.

I don't currently have FSD and have only ever used it sparingly during the occasional free demo month, but I'd probably keep it on for the occasional long drive for closer to $50/mo.

When we bought our M3, we bought FSD. It's never lived up to the hype. I don't think Tesla is on-board with anything other than their own marketing. They don't seem to adhere to any automated driving standards and I have zero confidence they'll ever achieve Level 3 automation like MB did much less anything higher. If I could, I'd have my $5k back.

i havent yet, i dont even like the auto steering stuff, so i guess zero. the automatic braking and distance cruise is good.

I think it’s different from my perspective as being in the UK it seems the basic autopilot is still included, I assume the reason being the FSD option here is pretty much useless, I’d be interested in seeing the numbers for FSD here as I’d guess it’s close to zero. That being said surly it does make the FSB more accessible to a lot more People which I’m assuming is the thinking behind it?

I think its a lot of push and pull. I believe Tesla is not making their targets anymore in terms of selling vehicles so they direct it to FSD and making it the best thing that you can get. Maybe not many people are willing to pay that $8K upfront and figured you would need to be using it 6-7 years to actually break even. Now they're saying they're getting rid of the full purchase then increasing the monthly payment. This is really targeting people who rely on FSD and its becoming a hard sell. Then you think of people that say autopilot is all you really need, now they go and remove that feature on new vehicles. Its really becoming an anti-consumer at this point. Technically autopilot is the closest you'll get to traditional ACC with Lane centering. The TACC is really basic and borderline useless, heck even Kia/Hyundai/Genesis has a better system than that... and now they're making that the basic that you'll get unless you pay for FSD then you get Autosteer and FSD? that doesn't make sense. TACC / Manage Speed / You Steer / Only stops for vehicles upfront... basically ACC without Lane centering. (Now Standard) Autosteer/pilot / Manage Speed and Lane (keeps you centered) / Only stops for the vehicles up front.. ACC w/ Lane centering. (Standard on older vehicles, now bundled with FSD) FSD / Automatically drives you / It manages your speed and stops at lights signs etc.. (monthly/purchase going away). At the rate this is going and the shift with AI and other self driving technology, Tesla seems like they're shooting themselves on the foot, rather than trying to keep the customers they already have and getting them to persuade their friends to join, this makes it harder to sell at this point. "Hey I see you drive a Tesla, do you recommend it? Nah, after you "buy" it you have to to subscribe to everything else.

People here are in denial man lol. I get down-voted every time I mention Chinese EV's. They will call them cheap from their flagship phones built in China. Xiaomis first cars look absolutely insane. Better range, more horsepower, etc. It is only a matter of time before they build a name for themselves. It takes time.  People act like Tesla took over the car market at launch.. Tesla has been stagnant on range for a while. They lost the tax credit in the U.S. and prices never came down. So every car is $7,500 more than it was 6 months ago and the value proposition just isn't there and that is without comparing it to a $40k Xiaomi. All these shitty moves like getting rid of purchasing FSD outright and inevitably raising the monthly cost on people,  can only be done because there is no other real competitor. I am very curious to see how Chinese EV's perform globally in the markets they are allowed in. I want that $10k Toyota pickup too and I will never see it either in the U.S. our cheapest new pickup is like $40k now lol thanks to this totally "free market".

If I can sleep while I am driving I don't know my cut off point, but it would be high lol.

>They will call them cheap from their flagship phones built in China. They will call them cheap from their model 3 that has panel gaps that can fit a whole phone.

The build quality on my M3 really wasn't that great. He does everything to reduce costs but we never see a price reduction lol. He sells everything for a huge profit but then locks the hardware he already profited from behind software pay walls lol. I hate shit like that and am looking forward to some real competition onr day.

I could pay my 15-year old less than $100 per month to drive me around and I would have a very similar experience to FSD. I think the technology is cool, and I think that we will see a time when most cars are self-driving, but I also think that this is still a long way off.

I only do 8 thousand miles per year and have only the stock auto pilot. There's about 6 long journeys in that, so it seems like terrible value for me. I'd consider a day pass though.

$100 is a lot. Anything under $75 and I'm in because I do like FSD.

Comma OpenPilot is not on nearly the same level as FSD but certainly better than AutoPilot and quite good. Works with HW3 & HW4 cars.

If thats the case others would be worse as they are more expensive and offer less than what Tesla does

I have a 2019 with paid FSD. There's NO WAY I'd buy another Tesla since one big reason was FSD and I'm not doing 100 a month for something I already bought. Greedy.

Yeah we need some real competition in the US. They would be giving out FSD to sell cars if there was.

Yeah I paid $6K in 2020 so after 6 years of ownership and planning to keep the car for some time, I won't ever buy FSD with a monthly subscription.

Maybe something like this would do the trick [https://blog.comma.ai/comma-four/](https://blog.comma.ai/comma-four/) even works with my old model 3 [https://comma.ai/vehicles#tesla](https://comma.ai/vehicles#tesla)

The better question is how much would you pay for unsupervised FSD?

At the current price of $99, I only sub when I will be doing a long road trip or multiple medium length trips within the month. I enjoy FSD but I also enjoy driving. If they want me as a month-to-month sub holder, without much thought, it needs to be $50 USD or less, even with Unsupervised FSD.

Maybe because I understand how valuable it is? People pay $700+/mo on average for a level of car they don’t need.

If price goes up, I will buy a Comma 4. $100/month is already delusional.

This post is the first I'm seeing of this,. what are they doing in countries where FSD is not legal? Also I'm not willing to subscribe to anything. A data plan for the car is one thing because it's an ongoing service provided by a mobile network and therefore has ongoing cost. I'm not renting functionality baked into the car. FSD is not a service and it should not be legal to sell it as one. If this is the route they're going they're going to blow their market lead. Tesla is not synonymous with electric cars any more, there any many great choices from other brands that do not start rattling and squeaking after 1000 miles.

this is super interesting. I am going to have to do a deep dive on this

Yes but you can't run it on the onboard system. So we pay for am expensive computer we hardly use.

Why not pay per use?

I haven't tried FSD (not yet available in my country) so it's a little difficult to say how much I'd value a feature I haven't tried, but still 100% sure that $100 is way too much. I wouldn't consider it at anything above $50 and even that would seem a little too steep. Somewhere around $25 would seem reasonable.

This is the key that people seem to be forgetting. Elon didn’t say he was raising the price of FSD, he said the price will increase as capabilities improve. That doesn’t mean right now.

Anything but public transit

While not as good as Tesla's offering, its more than sufficient on highways and well marked roads. I would say I preffered Toyotas over my own Tesla. Toyotas lane centering seamlessly alows you to steer on to another lane and then automatically resume centering.. something Tesla cant do unless you buy EAP and have the car change lanes. plus they have touch sensors in the steering wheel as oposed to teslas torque sensor with WAY less nag.

For FSD in it's current state, $100 or less makes sense. If they offered a tier with max speed back I'd gladly pay $250 a month or more indefinitely. As it is, I have to disengage constantly and it's a pain because it doesn't respect speed limits even in sloth due to bad maps data. Having the scroll wheel back would let me sit back and enjoy FSD again, and generate a lot of value for me personally.

This exactly. I now tell everyone that can listen to not buy a Tesla. It feels like the peak is coming and Elon is trying to squeeze everything out of it while he can. He needs constant stock growth but now competition has caught up and consumers soon will follow suit to be wiser. On his part, I think it is dumb to basically destroy all good will that he did an excellent job developing. OTOH he kind of already did that with getting into bed with Trump.

This is actually ingenious tbh.

We work from home so not a lot of driving. We love FSD but we’ll never spend $100/mo, it doesn’t make sense. However we take monthly road trips when it would be nice to have.

Should be 10 bucks a month

I pay 100 a month with no regrets - I absolutely love it. I love the summon the parking everything - mine is a lease so that is why I do it monthly vs lump sum. I did the 2 rollout trials and they have made some big improvements since; much better with the lane changes and pulling out of side streets and driveways etc

I don't understand the sudden outrage over this and not the one-time fee for FSD, equal to almost 7 years of paying a monthly subscription. Most buyers probably don't hold onto their cars for that long. To me the one-time fee did not make sense, not the subscription.

I subscribe about 4 times a year (when we travel- it’s sooo worth it on long trips), but at $50- I’d get it every month…on HW4 it is pretty fun😬

My model 3 that I have owned since 2018 has FSD and if that isn't transferrable, I will not replace it with a Tesla when that time comes. I really like FSD but I'm not going to pay $100 or $150 a month for something I paid in full for in the past and never realized the promise. I'll just walk away and drive something else. As an early adopter, who bought their first Tesla EV in 2013, its disappointing what Tesla has evolved into but FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS!!! Make it $50/mo, locked in as long as you are subscribed, and include connectivity and I think most people would subscribe. I'm really over the FOMO marketing

For the normal, average working class person, who the hell would spend 100€ a month on fsd? That's nuts imo. Even at 50€, i'd be hard-pressed to pay that, maybe 10/15€. Could be i'm just a cheapskate.

I'd subscribe only on the months that I would use it, like vacations,, long road trips, etc.

I don’t care how much it costs why go without it?

Well if you bought it, like me (2018) you aren't going to have to pay. I'm just waiting to see what he'll do about HW3. I basically plan to drive this thing until it falls apart. Unlike a gas car, there's a lot fewer things that actually wear out, so maintenance and degradation should be a lot less; and even I eventually need a full battery replacement (saw one for $15,000 in Canada) that's cheaper than a new vehicle and renting FSD. I suspect when they've solved FSD (i.e. it's good enough for unsupervised) they will then allow free transfer to a new car.

There's got to be a sweet spot where the price is low enough that more people will buy and he makes the most money. But that price has to be lower that $8,000. I wonder if he's worried that even HW4 is not good enough, so he'll have to install HW5("AI5") on any vehicle that bought FSD - so cut the number of sales until the hardware is settled.

It’s not only a price thing. They got rid of autosteer included with new cars so now if you want a standard feature from every other car brand you’ll have to fork over $100/mo and you won’t even be able to have a lane keep cruise control (the only options now are FSD or TACC which doesn’t do any lane keeping).

I think that will drive away more customers than FSD attracts, especially if FSD is so overpriced.

That deal comes up every once in a while. new car with a free fsd transfer. After the wheels fall off my 2019 I'm done with Tesla though. Curious what happens with HW3 too.

I'm thinking, unlike an ICE car, electric cars will last a lot longer. My last few cars lasted 9 or 10 years, and it was generally the engine (or transmission) that caused issues. For EVs mainly worry about front end and brakes.