I finally rode in a Tesla after being a musk critic for nearly a decade. It wasn't great.

Then queue the onslaught of “but that’s not enough time blah blah blah” people like you don’t get one test drive before buying any vehicle. And that’s the point, it is supposed to sell you in one drive.

Was it the pre 2023 Model 3? I rode in my dads brand new Tesla Model Y and its quality was decent

You nailed it. Now get in other EVs and see really what you can get… and in some cases for less money. They really are hot garbage.

I'm not sure. I'm not saying Teslas can't be well made, or suit peoples lives etc. My point was mostly supposed to be I was told all it took was one drive and I'd be sold. And I just wasn't

Riding is not driving. You make some fair points, but the back seat isn't that comfortable either.

cheapest feeling car i ever been in. its like the 2020s version of a 90s kia.

… spent my career as a supplier and put it this way: interesting powertrain, but those sumbitches can’t build a vehicle. So many experts work really, really hard to make simple shit like storage bins in a console work nicely, that trim pieces look good and stay put-those guys do not and I say that from working with them. Automotive expertise still largely resides in Detroit and other selected satellites primarily Midwest and mid-south.

You let your dad buy a new model Y? Supposed to be watching out for pops.😬

To be fair, I don't think they meant to sit in the back of the smallest model when they said "one drive".

That's fair I didn't get to feel the acceleration control. I'm sure it feels great I've had a lot of fun in high torque cars before. But I don't drive anymore so being a passenger is all I've got, and for a company that is promising robotaxis you'd think passenger comfort would be a higher priority

I forget the car, but I got an uber to work a few months back, and half way there I was like 'oh is this an electric?'. Just seemed like a normal car.

The people who say they are quiet - that is a feature of electric cars. I swear Tesla fans don’t know there are other electric cars out there.

Sure, but I'm comparing it to my experience in the backseat of other cars, and I've been more comfortable in a toyota corolla.

I bought one as well and really don’t have any complaints. My wife’s new model 3 on the other hand is horrendous .

My old 2010 camry was also silent. (under like 30km/h and only sometimes)

I’m quite pleased with my 9 year old Model S - it’s super quiet inside and has outstanding suspension. I’ve driven/rode in several Model 3 and Y over the years, and they aren’t anywhere near as good. That said, a Toyota RAV4 hybrid was by far the best experience I’ve ever had as a passenger - it has excellent air conditioning in all 3 rows!

I'm not a fan of car, company or person but I think drive is key for most people. Is the experience of the power, acceleration yada yada. Again as you've said elsewhere that is far from unique now. Plus the acceleration speed etc is more than is needed or used. I've never seen anyone in normal driving do the launch start or even use max 0-60. The car itself is not remotely special or different as a passenger. I guess the door handles count as "special"

I have long assumed the Model S is a good car, certainly the best looking. Just don't know anyone with one to get a ride.

This. I took a trip in a friend's Model Y and he let me drive it for a bit. My first time driving an EV of any kind and, yeah it was alright. A few weeks later my car had to go in for a service and I was given a 2023 Renault ZOE by the dealership as a loaner for the day. Honestly the Renault felt a lot better to drive, despite being about a third of the price. Far more functional and far less gimmicky.

Yeah. Tesla was smart. They designed the front seats to be comfortable and they saved money on the back seats. Even with the pre-2021 model x, the back seats are as hard as a rock.

My first Tesla ride was this summer in a European taxi. I also thought the blind spot cameras were a nice touch. Nothing else really stood out for me. The driver said he liked it pretty well.

It's a plastic, disposable car. A 20k battery and then some left over to assemble the rest as cheaply as possible.

I test drove one and the thought on a musk inspired unplanned cremation just didnt do it for me Brought a Toyota instead

Drove my dad's Model Y a few years ago, and was very... underwhelmed. The ride was very much underdamped and bouncy, there was more wind and tire noise than I expected, the steering was only marginally more communicative than a '90s arcade racer, and, most surprising of all, aside from the instant throttle response it felt slower than my Flex EcoBoost. Plus the materials were meh at best, the rear seats in particular were cramped and a bit uncomfortable, and the absolute lack of cupholders was a problem. I've long been a Musk/Tesla critic, and the drive did absolutely nothing to change my views.

Sadly he's a republican and Elon fan. There isn't much I can do to change that

The terrible seats had me feeling sore in less then 30 minutes. Wanted to buy the Tesla but hated most things about the interior bust especially the lack of cushion in the seats and mediocre ergonomics.

What is worse is driving one... Want to know how fast you are going? Ya you have to take your eyes fully off the road and look at the center "tablet" and hope that it didnt freeze or otherwise switch to something.

The back seat of a Model 3 is awful. I have friends who are huge Tesla fans. He traded his 3 for a model Y because the back seats were so bad. It would be a bad car or Uber.

I'd ridden in a bunch of Teslas, and even drove a couple. Yeah, wickedly fast and quiet, and when they were the only choice, it was a simple formula: EV = Tesla. I was never impressed with the fit and finish, and the minimalist dash never impressed me. And I hated that you have to navigate through that touch screen to do almost anything. Times have changed, and the competition has geared up. To wit, I rode in an Audi e-Tron GT a couple months ago, and... wow. It's perhaps the best-looking car I've ever seen, inside and out. Yeah, it's very expensive, and I'm told that the range isn't great, but comparing the overall experience to a Tesla is like comparing a Bentley to a Ford cargo van. They just aren't the same thing.

Model S continues to look great. The X is awkward-looking, and bloated. And the CyberTruck... well, you know.

I bought a Tesla. Two days later I brought it back. I really didn’t enjoy driving it, I couldn’t get Sirius in it, and the insurance was astronomical. Hard pass.

It's a terrible ride. Just a junk car all around.

I've driven the S, 3 and Y. The S 100D was probably the best as it felt the most conventional and the most substantial, if rather lackluster for its asking price (in 2017 mind you with far less EV competitors). I've also driven a MY21 3 SR+ and couldn't fathom the appeal of this car or the brand. My most detailed drive was in 2022 when i was car shopping, the Y LR AWD was in contention with the Mach-e, XC40 Recharge, Polestar 2 and the Q4 e-tron. The Y ranked dead last, with the only pro being its better than average drive range (which Tesla flat out lies about)

It was rushed in 2018 to be cheap as intro to market, now 7 years later more choices so yeah for entry level its ok. Imagine if tesla would not succeed, china would not just crush but dominate by now

If your dad's a supporter of the far-right you have more to worry about than the ride quality.

Compared modern electric car alternatives, Tesla's feel old and cheaply made.

Consider yourself lucky your Uber driver didn't try top show off FSD.

I rented a Model 3 and when I say rented Avis basically begged me to take it as a rental. I had rented a Ford Mustang Mach-e X before so I knew charging was going to suck compared to an ICE vehicle. After driving 140 miles over 4 days and using 71% charge to do it combined with the cheap interior, road noise, and having to use the center screen for everything including adjusting the side mirrors I knew I would never purchase a Tesla. The Ford's interior was far higher quality and the car had better Noise, Vibration, Harshness (NVH) and had none of the squeaks and rattles the Tesla did. They were both quick and that was fun. I think I would currently pick a Toyota Prius over an EV, but once the mythical Solid State Batteries (SSBs) come out in full production quantities coupled with axial flux motors, BEVs will be far more viable across almost all vehicle classes and niches.

Yep. I owned a six figure Tesla and two more EV’s in the same category. There is simply no comparison at all. And my current EV is rated at 220miles and it fully serves my needs and even some road trips. Tesla has hung on with outdated understandings of needs and capabilities and that’s coming to a close as more people buy other brands and learn and share.

Sadly he is one. I was mainly wondering if it was the old one because I wanted to know if they actually improved build quality or not for the new Model 3

Many people who bought a Tesla did so before the competition was available.  There are other electric cars now, sure.  But there weren’t nearly as many options even 3-4 years ago

Yea that makes sense. It's basically a 30k car that happens to have electric motors and cameras, with potential self driving in the next 25 years. There's some cool tech too, but being a passenger in a single pedal driving car can feel woozy, depending on the driver.

>Yeah, wickedly fast In a straight line, but good luck turning or braking. One trick ponies, that's all they are.

'You've just got to ride in one'. Yeah nobody in their right mind would ever say that. They might say "you've just got to \*drive\* one", because it does have impressive acceleration.

I took an Uber in one about a month ago. I was completely unimpressed. It had a lot of road noise like you mention, and things like the door handles were concerning. The driver clicked it open for me though. Otherwise it looked like any other mediocre car.

Using an Uber vehicle as an example car for any model car isn’t really good. Full time drivers often put 40-50k miles per year on cars and neglect repairs, particularly suspensions.  These people who think you can drive your car around at high speeds and hit bumps / potholes for unlimited miles are delusional.  If you take care of cars, they will last longer.   And if drive a model 3 like a sports car, there are going to be repair costs over time

It's like a temu version of a car. Recently switched ours out for an Audi EV. World of difference in ride quality and build quality.

I can only imagine how bad those cars produced in 2018 must creak and groan.

What!? You would have a point if you said 10 years ago. There were plenty of electric vehicles 3-4 years ago.

RAV4 hybrid - Lolzozl!

My only Tesla experience was also in a M3 Uber in Vegas I found the back seat a little cramped, and I somehow landed the one Tesla owner who didn't want to talk about his car, so nothing useful was gleaned from the experience, other than a cheap, cramped backseat I found hard to get in and out of. To be fair, I am tall, not the most limber person in the world, and was 50 pounds heavier than I am today. Tried to rent a MY while in Vegas, but Hertz wanted insurance info I didn't have handy. Although I couldn't rent a $50K Tesla, they happily handed me the keys to an $80k Genesis. And yes, the Genesis beat the shit out of the M3, not to mention every other car I've ever been in.

Yep. The Jaguar EV that Waymos use is much nicer than any Model 3. Hell even the Ford Mach E is a big improvement.

Question, besides the CT, how do you know the different models? Model S, Model Y, Model 3, and Model X...they all look the same and have no identifiers on the back. Some say dual motor. That's it. The only way I think I can tell the new Y's is they have the really ugly looking flat panels on the back and front that kind of remind me of how the last gen Jeep Cherokees looked like the designers put the rear license plates in the wrong spots. It was just a big blank space in the middle, and didn't look right. But besides that, all of the 4 Tesla models look the same on the road. I can't tell one is higher, longer, taller, distinctive, etc. And I only know one person with one, but I rarely see him.

A 2011 gt500 has impressive acceleration, it's still a POS.

The Model S and the Model X are good quality cars (and also really expensive). The Model 3 and Y feel really cheap to me. I wanted a Tesla for years but the 3 and Y just didn’t feel like good quality to me, and the S and X models I wanted were $90k or more. I ended up with a Mach E GT and I love it.

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Not really.  You had the Mach-E and Tesla mostly.  There was F150 lightning, idk when that came out, but volume on that was very low.  Ioniq started catching on a lot more past few years

My 2024 Model 3 is quiet and has an amazing smooth ride. Some people could ride in a rolls Royce with a Tesla badge on it and still think it was cheap.

I guess the US doesn’t really allow imports from Europe or Korea then

Yeah, and if someone's trying to sell you one, they might want you to drive it, but they wouldn't say "hey just sit in this".

Back then we bought salvaged ones and send them abroad it was fun times, tech was new big screen was new, acceleration sure was not the best made but damn it was a fun

My right-wingnut family members in another state got one, not sure which model. They seem impressed by Elon, like he's some sort of STEM role model 🤮 I'm terrified for the kids driving that thing, I should remind them to become familiar with the emergency door release.

I had to give a couple road tests in teslas and each time was more underwhelming. I could hear everything out side the car. The touch screen was very distracting. I was nervous about how to exit the vehicle in case the testing driver was shite. Biggest thing though was how the doors sounded when I closed them. So light and insignificant it felt like cheap plastic to La truck doors. 1/10 would not recommend. The funniest thing was how the test drivers thought they were hot shite driving a Tesla. But then the quality was like “you test drove this and then exchanged real money for it?!”

You and I likely have different views on what’s fun, but I’m glad you had a good time!

Go test drive a Model Y performance...you were in an old car. If you don't exit the vehicle with a Wiley coyote smile on your face, there's something wrong with you! PS- haven't paid for gas since May when I got mine. Zero maintenance, probably had 15 updates since, nothing your ICE car will do, and the V14 of FSD is absolutely amazing. And yes, the Model 3 in the back IS small!

I have the new juniper and it sucks. Build Quality and seats are very cheap feeling. Had to buy one last minute due to car issues. Not impressed at all. FSD sucks too. I can’t wait to sell this junk after a year for a CPO taycan grand turismo

OMG I had this exact experience thank you. Thought I was taking crazy pills

I got to ride on a tesla roadster way back when and was kind of impressed, being used to the dinky electric cars that were around at the time.

Fast. Terribly loud road noise. You feel every pebble. The vinyl seats aren’t too bad for vinyl. Wait not vinyl, vegan leather. Yep. They were the best EV out there in 2018. Now they’re behind almost everyone.

Electric Prius was available in 2016. Nissan leaf in 2015. BMW i3. I guess if we are only including all electroc cars it is more limited but I see no difference in hybrid cars. They are quite AF too.

I've had mine since 2016 (before he was obviously fucked in the head.) I'll say that I do like the car and it's done just fine by me.  I de badged it awhile ago.  But there's no way I'll ever buy another. I'll walk everywhere before I patronize that monster again.

EV cars are largely crap. Enjoy your soulless silence. That glorious rumble you hear? That’d be my NA V-8.

Yeah. Agreed. I rode in the back of a model y for the first time in an Uber. Honest to god, it had the ride quality of a 20 year old Toyota Hilux, felt like it didn’t even have suspension. And the road noise, the flat seats, really terrible car - seriously felt like a cheap Hyundai from the 90’s. More recently I test drove the new model Y. The new one is way better than the previous model. Honestly people hyping up the old one must never driven a car in the last 30 years. But the new one was overwhelmingly fine. Suspension still a little bit too firm, handled corners well but it wasn’t as fast as I was expecting, actually fairly slow until it gets to 60kmh and then it takes off but overall it’s just a very adequate car. After the test drive I had no desire to buy one.

Reminded me of being in an 80s hatchback Yugo

For 2022 here’s a short list, not all inclusive: Ford 150, Mach-E, Hyundai Kona, Ioniq, Ioniq 5, Kia Niro, EV6, Chevy Bolt, VW ID4, MB EQS, Rivian R1T, R1S, Volvo XC40, Polestar 2, BMW iX, Nissan Leaf, Audi e-Tron, and Lucid Air. So yeah, there were a couple of EVs on the market 3 years ago.

Might want to list those alongside the sales numbers, champ

Tesla sold over 500k EVs in US in 2022.  Next highest was Ford with about 62k.  So, yes, EV market was dominated by Tesla.  Numbers could care less if you don’t agree

I almost puked with all the jerk in the tesla uber. Couldn’t open or close the door either

No one is saying Tesla didn’t have the majority share in 2022. They did. You said there was no competition 3 years ago. You could have bought any of the cars listed in 2022. There were plenty of options for people that wanted an alternative to Tesla 3 years ago. I know, I have two 2021 model EVs parked in the garage right now that aren’t Tesla.

Tesla was 10 years ahead and didn’t let others use their supercharger network yet.  Most other models have caught up on range and improved their offerings since then.  So, choice is relative

10 years ahead. lol. You’re one of those people. Has Tesla built a car yet that doesn’t sound like it’s falling apart when you hit rough pavement? My Mach-E from 2021 more real world range than pretty much any Tesla ever built and our Volvo at 5 years and 60k miles is still as solid as the day we bought it. I’ve also did about 10k miles of road trips before Tesla opened the SCs. The SCs are more reliable than EA no question, but I always managed to get a charge. Today there are so many options, it hardly matters.

I mean my cheap petrol car is also quiet when standing still and the motor idles. When on the highway it's not the engine either. It's road noise. That's solved with sound isolation which Teslas have very little of. And will I buy a car that in 25%+ of cases fail it's first inspection in multiple European countries because "it's quiet". No thanks.

I’m talking about 10 years ahead on EVs.  Range hasn’t really been an issue with mine, I started at 345 miles, it’s degraded some.  But the suspensions are definitely not good.  I wouldn’t get a more expensive Tesla, but the model 3 isn’t a bad deal imo if someone got it while the tax credits were still going on.  The refreshed versions are supposed to have better suspension, I honestly don’t know

I test drove a tesla and the only thing impressive was the speed and acceleration. Everything else felt cheap, spartan, and overly complicated

Who the heck sells a car on being a back seat passenger though? We aren’t talking about a maybach lol. I’ve got a Tesla, and can agree with many of the points OP made but his perspective was in fact the worst perspective you could have on the car. The whole not having a door handle is absolutely mute after one time learning. That’s like complaining about having to push a pedal if you never driven before.

The way you come across sounds like you weren’t going to change your mind regardless.

But...but...but...touchscreen!...future!

The extremely jerky acceleration in my last Uber made me far too nauseous to pay attention to the seats. I don’t usually get carsick, but that ride was horrible. Maybe the driver had single pedal mode in?

Everyone who considers a Tesla to be premium came from a 2005 Ford Fusion base model and has never been in an actually luxury car.

The insurance bit really gets me because other EVs don’t have problems with astronomical insurance rates.

> If you don't exit the vehicle with a Wiley coyote smile on your face, there's something wrong with you! You're describing the feeling you get by driving your first EV after only ever having driven ICE cars. That feeling is in no way, shape, or form unique to Tesla. Only people like you, who think that Tesla is the only game in town thinks like that. If you had driven a bunch of the other EVs, you would also know and understand that there really is nothing special about Tesla's EVs. > haven't paid for gas since May when I got mine. Everyone knows how EVs work. This is not new information. You're adding nothing. This sub is not anti-EV. Most people in here absolutely *love* EVs. I long-term rent one every summer for reasons, I've had a Mercedes EQE 350+, a Polestar 4, a Nio ET7, absolutely fantastic experiences all of them. I would never in a million years want to rent a Tesla, it would be such a downgrade in comparison. > probably had 15 updates since, nothing your ICE car will do All cars have over-the-air updates these days, EVs and ICEs alike. Again, nothing unique to Tesla. > the V14 of FSD is absolutely amazing. Lol. Ten years ago, your comment would have made sense. Tesla was absolutely ahead of everyone else back then. Unfortunately for them, they've stood still since, while the competition has caught up and surpassed them. Have *you* tried the competition? Or did you just buy a Tesla, thinking it'd magically be the best EV for ever and ever and ever?

Some ev coupes have really comfortable spacious back seats.

It feels a lot of the time like most of the "best car I've ever owned" crowd just had never owned a new car before in their life before the Tesla. I'd imagine they feel a lot better if your reference point is old cars with worn out suspensions.

Congratulations on your ability to be noisy.

🤣 with pleasure!

They suck. Mid Uber rides.

About road noise: at open road speed, especially the highway, tyre and wind noise are so dominant that electric power simply doesn't matter. And M3 doesn't seem to be particularly well insulated from the road. In town, however, sure, it's a different matter.

I am all for dumping on Elon, but that's an exaggeration. They handle fine.

But consider, being a passenger is the only way I interact with cars, so you can say it's the worst perspective, but it's the one I'm going to judge it by.

Yeah. If the driver has a heavy foot, then it tends to make the passengers car sick. That’s one problem with Tesla’s 1 pedal drive

My model 3 was so loud inside the cabin from the road. I would spend an hour on the phone on my ride home and my throat would hurt from talking over the road noise. This was my first car spending over 23k so it was a bit of an upgrade to my old Jetta, that meant that this was a luxury car for me. I switch to a Toyota BZ4X and I love this ride more.

Sitting in one isn't great. Driving one is fun. But the ride is terrible. The car is loud inside. I really enjoyed when I first had a model three, but now I have a BMW IX and it's so much a better car in every way

The difference between riding in a Tesla vs a BYD is insane. I don’t drive and I am not a car enthusiast so my opinion is solely vibes and feels as an Uber passenger. Tesla feels cheap at every step and anti intuitive. I have gotten a few BYDs and they feel far more solid and safe.

The stick on wood grain interior that bubbles after 6 months! Tesla drivers are high on their own farts thinking these are good cars

My insurance on a 2024 Model 3 performance and a 2024 model Y performance (yes both cars)is cheaper than the insurance was on my 2020 F150 Lariat when I bought it new. Im not sure why people are paying crazy insurance rates. No tickets or accidents so that might be why?

Mention that upfront then and I’d change my thoughts. You talked about a few things only the driver need to worry about, so I couldn’t assume you were backseat passenger only.

The 3 / Y reminds me of riding a wooden rollercoaster.

So, you don't drive and are offering a perspective on buying a car? Do you have a personal chauffeur you are punching the car for?

The Tesla Sephia.

My Volvo EV feels like a Bentley compared to the model y.

The 2024 refresh fixed the worst problems from the original. Cabin noise much quieter, suspension doesn’t squeak and doesn’t feel every bump/hole, the sunroof is tinted so less of a fishbowl, and FSD is like 10x better with HW4 I know this is a hate on Tesla subreddit and I agree with a lot of the criticisms of Elon and the company and all that but I got a new model 3 for $35k ($1k Lyft discount + $1k inventory discount) with a 0.99% loan for 80 months when the typical auto loan rate was 7% I respect people for not wanting to buy a car because of their political beliefs and dislike of the car companies CEO, but for me it’s all about utility and value when I’m purchasing something to take me from point a to b, and I challenge anyone to tell me which EV I can get with a lower monthly payment new than the mainly payment on $35k at 0.99%. I’ll wait.

I rented one for a week and it was ass after the first hour.

Well if you don’t even like being a passenger why would you like being a driver in the same thing lmao.

Model Y rides better than the Model 3's I have been in

When I go to LA and have to uber somewhere I cringe when I see it’s a model 3. The wife feels the same way. No shade on Tesla but the model 3 backseat is a portal of hell.

That is a very long term for a car loan

I believe that's the majority of Tesla buyers (i.e. civic & corolla owners)

I rode in a Tesla for the first time in June in nyc. I couldn’t figure out how to get out of the car. 🤣

I test drove a model y, an ID4 and a sealion 7, the sealion was the best so far with great handling, precise steering and suspension tuned a bit to the soft side (so with a bit of body roll when doing a tight corner), acceleration is tuned to be a nice curve just like a petrol car (some hate it but I love it); while ID4's steering is great, suspension is a bit too hard and bumpy and acceleration is jerky; Now enter the model y - you need to tilt your head to look at the screen to check your speed, and the gear selector is on the screen also, with a 100 menu items, the acceleration is like a remote control car - linear and very jerky (I literally got car sick after driving it), the steering is the worst so far, that I couldn't quite do a kerb side parking... I don't car what the tesla fanboys say but I'm not buying a tesla car.

Fine for an A-to-B vehicle. For a performance car, not fine.

Driving the car is more fun.

Teslas are great for people like me who like big computer screens minimalist interiors and cheap power and acceleration . I love touchscreens but I know I’m in the minority. I used to be a BMW fan but I sat in a Tesla Y and in about 5 seconds decided to sell the BMW. And I always felt like german car interiors were too old fashioned. Obviously better fit and finish in a bmw but I just don’t care when I hit the accelerator pedal. What I don’t like is the road noise and suspension. Annoying but I blast the music lol. Put over 100k miles in my Y zero maintenance issues. I’ve thought about aftermarket suspension but waiting for the current stock suspension to fail. But I won’t buy another Tesla unless Musk exits. I keep waiting for the fabled “Tesla killer”. Maybe the new Rivians coming out or the GMC EV trucks but too damn expensive

It has to be the worst car for an Uber driver. 1% of the population knows how to use the door handle to get into the car. Same scenario getting out of the car. I was overseas in a country where I'm clearly not a native language speaker and the Uber driver immediately jumps out and runs around the car to let me in. I look confused when I try to get out and he runs around to let me out. I'm sure he has done this a thousand times at this point.

Yea the Tesla fan boys like to talk tech as the rest of the car is pretty average I drive a BmW i4 and the quality is miles ahead of Teslas and my wife’s iX is next level up compared to my i4 that’s what a luxury vehicle should drive and feel like.

You misspelled 90s Yugo...Kia wasn't THAT bad! Tesla is a 60k car with 5k build quality!

That. Teslas have some of the worst NVH measures for any EVs on sale in their price category. Certain EV fanboys love to say how lightweight and efficient their cars are because of "the technology" when it is clear as day their cars are so barren inside and out with little to no attention paid for sound deadening insulating materials and panel gaps the size of an entire finger for this to occur.

Telsa is like a bad android phone and mediocre Chevy had a baby.

I have an elderly family member who drives one. I do not like being a passenger in it. Recently I needed to move it for them and I truly despised the experience of driving it. Felt like a golf cart with delayed responses. Vindicated entirely.

That sounds about right. I drive an ev myself but not a Tesla. Tesla's feel so cheap and half baked compared to a real modern vehicle, ICE or Electric, but the price isn't low enough to justify the cut corners IMO.

Whoa there buddy, don't knock the Sephia. Had one and it wasn't luxurious, but it was reliable

I don’t like Musk at all. I do like his cars. No problem for me.

Bruh you road in the back seat. Not the same are driving. ROFL. Also didn’t clarify what year. Newer models have improved on the road noise and suspension.

They do have performance versions, which are more than fine. You are exaggerating, stupidly. [You are wrong in your primitive exaggeration.](https://insideevs.com/news/741921/tesla-model-3-performance-vs-bmw-m3-competition/)

You didnt do what we suggest at all.. you have to be driving.. being a back seat rider doesnt give you a perspective at all.

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What is a luxury model you recommend?

A pleasant ride in an Uber is a rare thing. You know you went with the letter rather than the spirit. Borrow one from somebody for a couple days when you’ve got a lot of driving to do.

I call it the "Hyundai-effect." A lot of people getting into newer Hyundais were driving absolute shitboxes before so having 5 USB-C ports and a tablet in the dash is amazing to them even if the car burns 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles.

Try Lucid than you would know how far has EV become.

Y and 3 were the "affordable" Tesla models after they made their mark with the Roadster, S and X.

I drove two LEAFs 2015 - 2023 but needed a BEV that could take me out of my area code and the Model Y was the only car that met my requirements (NACS mainly, CCS-1 is for the birds). Model Ys were way too expensive in 2021-22 but by late 2023 they were getting discounted and I picked one up at the year-end closeout for $6000 off list, plus another $10,500 off thanks to gov't BEV rebates. With my 2018 LEAF trade-in, my net acquisiting cost of my HW4 AWD Model Y was ~$30K, and it's an amazing car for that price. I wanted to try a CCS-1 car before they go away so I rented a Polestar 2 to drive to Boise and back last month, and it was very close to my Model Y. It's no luxury car per se, but has a lot of nifty features, like the auto-open/close charger door cover. I'd buy it again for the same price . . . not a big fan of this year's revision, they really messed it up.

This was my impression. I drove a Hyundai Genesis previously, I expected my friends Tesla, being in that price range, to be similar. Not even close. I had the same though as you. “Wow, for a 60k car this thing feels cheap.”

The US also had the Bolt. GM delivered the car they said they would, on time, and on budget. In many ways it was the Tesla Model 2 Tesla years ahead of the Model 3. Unfortunately for GM, people refused to buy the Bolt because they had their deposits down on the $25k Model 3 (a unicorn of a car that Tesla sold a handful of software limited ones to avoid lawsuits). People literally could have taken out 3 year leases on the Bolt whilst waiting for their Model 3s, but held off due to all the false Tesla promises. But hey apparently that's how you promote sustainable transport..

Spoiler alert: china is crushing and dominating right now.

Rentals, Ubers, Turo, etc. I consider sub-par to garbage quality. The general public doesn't know and/or doesn't care about the vehicles they drive/ride in. With that said, your mileage may vary, as I have a '23 model 3 that has a couple rattles (driver/passenger door) similar to my '18 Camry XLE (dashboard/rear driver seat).

The reason the Model S felt the best was it was designed by a bunch of Daimler (Mercedes) engineers on sabbatical at the time Toyota and Daimler had significant shares in Tesla. I had Model S back in 2014 and honestly there was a lot to like about it as a car. Almost as though you'd removed a load of constraints of what was expected from a Merc but still with a lot of experience in car design. But Tesla is like a tech company, where every new project has to throw all the previous teams efforts away and start from scratch. The parts sharing (or lack of) between the S -3 - CT just goes to show quite how poorly Tesla operate as a manufacturer.

Sure, champ.

Chinese EVs are excellent though. I was like inverse OP, hesitant about them until I actually sat in them. Ever been driven in a BYD Han? Lynk & Co? Li? Zeekr? Once you do and consider the price, you understand why Chinese cars are winning. Edit: typos

Yeah but the Kia EV’s now, are fantastic to be fair. They really upped their game.

Can't argue with that analysis, cheaply built, bad fitment, just really not what you would expect at that price point. Drove a BYD a week or 2 ago and yeh, tesla should be very very worried. Or just release another truck designed to look like cookware or whatever.

I’ll have to google what a quart is…Americans and their imperial system

You've got to drive one, not just sit in one to properly know what they're about.

The passenger experience and driver experience are not even close to the same. This is not a serious post. I thought this sub was supposed to be real.

I used to own a Tesla and was quite happy with it, but also understand all the critism about it feeling a bit cheap for the price tag. I bought another BEV, mostly because Teslas are everywhere and I wanted something a bit more rare. I think when people complain about road noise and say they've been in quieter ICEs, it's not actually true, but it might feel like it. In my earlier ICE I couldn't talk with passengers in the back seat, in the Tesla I could hear when one of my kids dozed off by their heavy breathing. Sure there is wind and road noise, but I believe the main difference is that the cabin is so much quieter you hear other things that are drowned out in noise and vibration in ICEs.

I mostly think they fail inspection because Tesla doesn't require service to maintain warranty, but brakes and suspension still needs maintenance, especially brakes rust over if they are never used. If you run the service program in the Tesla the brakes are perfectly fine. My Teska went through 1st and 2nd inspection at 4 and 6 years with no teouble, I did service the brakes by using them and cleaning them once a year.

A quart equals 100 spits obviously.

Gimme 5 bees for a quarter

Tesla have terrible suspension and ride quality bordering on unbearable for anyone living in a 3rd world country like the UK.

Not really. They fail their first inspection after 2-3 years. As an example my petrol car is 7-8 years old and I've changed spark plugs once, oil and filter every 2 years and brake fluid pretty much. Suspension failures after 2 years..? What maintenance? Normal driving should be fine u less you drive insanely much. Yet a Teslas brakes fail after two years. It's shit.

I test drove a model 3 and it was ok but not great. The minimalism felt cheap and the interior was pretty uninspiring. The ride quality wasn't dreadful but it certainly wasn't anything special. The one thing that really annoyed me to the point of the car being undriveable was the lack of an indicator stalk. Having to push poorly placed buttons on the steering wheel whenever I wanted to enter an intersection was just dumb, it was downright dangerous. The fanboy sales agent was trying really hard to get me to buy one. He even told me he traded in his BMW because he was so amazed by Tesla. I left feeling sorry for him more than anything else.

Its still the brakes, and in eg. Denmark first inspection is at 4 years. The problem is that the brakes are not used enough due to regenerative braking, so if you dont do a service program every half year or similar to put some wear on them they rust over. The problem is basicly that there are lots of owner who think they bought a laptop and not a car. Im sure you would never have this issue yourself.

Its brembo brakes, so same as other cars. The performance cars are worse as they have bigger brakes that needs to be used but often arent.

Danish inspection statistics show that the main problems with the Tesla Model 3 are brakes, suspension, wheels, steering and lighting. “Electric cars brake differently, and therefore problems with the brakes are well known. But it is serious that the problems with the suspension and looseness in the steering are so prominent on a car that is no older than the Tesla Model 3. We do not see this on other cars. The same applies to Tesla's overrepresentation of faults with lamps, which are often loose or blinding,” says Lone Otto. During the first eleven months of last year, just over 28,000 electric cars were inspected in Denmark. When all the inspection reports have been compiled, one model stands out – the Tesla Model 3. According to the Swedish Transport Agency data, which has been processed by FDM (Denmark's equivalent of M Sweden), 1,051 of 4,668 inspected Model 3s of the 2020 model year were rejected. This means that 23 percent of the cars received one or more remarks that led to them not being approved. A remarkably high figure. Other electric cars of other brands were rejected in only nine percent of the inspections. The Model 3 also has a higher defect rate than other electric cars. 1,392 defects were found in the 4,668 units inspected from January to November last year. This works out to 0.3 defects per car. The corresponding figure for other inspected electric cars is 0.11.

well, you are not part of the cult and clan and tribe. That is why.

It sure is sure. Sockpuppet...?

I loved the Model S early on. It had a prototype startup feel. - I hate that this car still isn't fixed nearly 20 years later. You can forgive mistakes in workmanship with a startup, but sloppy assembly is unforgivable for an ancient car. Especially after I've spent some time in Chinese EVs, which are much better put together.

I guess to each their own. I've owned 3 Tesla's now, all have been great with absolutely no issues. I love the simplicity of them. No maintenance in the 3 years I owned the first 2 besides rotating tires. Also feeds my OCD since they are so easy to clean lol. Just got the Model Y Juniper for my wife and I will be upgrading to Model 3 Performance in February for me. Don't think I will go back to any other car tbh.

Mondeo/fusion was a great machine! Lots still on the road here today. The wagons are beautiful

I last drove stuff a while ago but the c-class was the best to be inside and the 3series is a good mix of comfortable and more raw. I own a current gen M3 and it is fantastic but not exactly entry level

The door handle makes me so mad, then I get in and see a square wheel..now I'm annoyed as hell. All of it screams "I'm just going to be different". Cannot stand the car BUT I do like the vision of people around you by the sensors

My experience exactly. I was shocked at the shabby interior and lousy ride, door handles are counter intuitive. It's another over-hyped product that under delivers.

I bought mine in 2016 (S P90D-L) and, for the time, it was unlike anything else and I could deal with the lack of luxuries. AP1 works fine for my level of comfort with self driving tech. Today? Any other EV is better. There’s nothing unique about Tesla to differentiate it. And there’s Rivian and Lucid if you want one of the pure EV brands, both of which are far more competent vehicles than anything out of Tesla. Granted, I don’t give two shits about their autopilot technology, but if I’m going to be driven around I’ll take a Waymo.

I had the experience Tesla fans say Teslas are like when riding in a Hyundai Ioniq 6. That car was super impressive.

I hated my Y and flipped it quick during the pandemic when people were paying crazy prices for used ones. Every time I get in it reassures me I made the correct decision. Rattles everywhere, always in the same spot…

The whole not having a door handle is the last moot point several people have ever experienced in their short lives.🔥

Wow, that’s some pretty shitty astroturfing. Is this the best Elon can do with a trillion dollars?

I actually still like mine but yes, can confirm

Just don't throw the EV baby out with the dirty Tesla bathwater. Loads of other EVs that offer much better experiences.

> People talk about how silent the car is, and true, no engine noise. But a heap of road noise. I've been in lots of quieter ICE cars. I agree with this observation. Before that I was not impressed by the overall quality of the interior. One nit I picked (which is not a biggie, but matters to me) is the lack of the hand grab above the driver and passenger doors. I really like them, especially when I am riding shotgun. I actually made a deposit to buy a Tesla. When Musk suffered his cognitive breakdown and went over to MAGAdarkworld I cancelled my deposit. In addition to his 180 degree switch to supporting trump I was appalled at the estimated deaths created by his participation in shutting down USAID. One of the most conservative estimates puts this number at [700,000 more child deaths per year](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/estimated-increase-in-deaths-r-i5vcsJJeT4Gx1l1VTJPrPA). If this number turns out to be accurate then Musk will be responsible for more [deaths than trumps' made up BS about vaccines caused during COVID](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/estimated-increase-in-deaths-r-i5vcsJJeT4Gx1l1VTJPrPA). Both of them will go down in history as responsible for massive numbers of deaths that did not need to happen.

Hyundai makes way better EVs it's not even close

They were fairly innovative at one time but the quality has been poor. Other makers have seen that people like some of it a lot and it’s moved the market generally. Packages over the air updates are much more common now as an example. They do more self driving than other mass market cars but I’d say it’s debatable rather they are actually any better at it or just less worried about the consequences. It seems to me that they aren’t feeling much market pressure to get better now as sales seem to be mostly influenced by how much a person wants an EV and liked Musk. I’d love to see buying direct from manufacture online become common. I see this as one of the best selling points for Tesla right now.

I recommend driving a Model S or X. The 3/Y are pretty cramped for a big guy and they're cheap too.

Teslas are ok as a novelty if all you've driven/ridden in are ICE/gasoline cars. They were the only game in town for awhile, but now there are a few more choices without the toxic baggage the Tesla brand embodies. It'd be great to get BYD and some of the other Chinese electric vehicles over here like they have in the rest of the world.

I've been in some teslas before, that's why I went for a BYD when I bought my EV. I don't get why people think they are a "premium" brand.

Same been in a number of them, bought a BMW EV instead. Feels like a proper car. Would never buy need ass stasicar

My lease on a Hyundai Ioniq5 (2025) is under $200 a month. I realize a lease and buying are different, but by my calculations that’s probably about half what you pay.

The Fusion was one of the best rental cars I ever drove. It was actually surprised at how much I liked it. It made me seriously consider a Fusion plug-in hybrid for myself.

*>The constantly changing of car depictions on the giant touchscreen* This bothers me the most. This is clearly a debug feature, not something you would use or care in the real world. Why would I be interested what the car sees(!)? Surely, this feature should be made to turn off. Yet, there is no option in the settings. Weird!

Rode in one for an Uber in London. Seeing the screen depict the outside world in a digital representation was kinda cool, but I could see that being a distraction as you drive. But yeah the interior was incredibly cheap. An older Corolla has better fit and finish.

Length of car loan doesn’t really matter when the interest rate is orders of magnitude under the inflation rate. In that case you’re printing money with fixed rate debt as long as the vehicle is going to continue operating past the lifetime of the loan. It’s disturbing that so many people are upvoting your take and downvoting mine

I had the very same experience. Only time I’ve ever been in a Tesla is during an Uber ride. The very first thing I noticed is how cheap the interior felt. The seatbelts specifically stood out to me. They reminded me of my parents 2001 Ford Taurus. The road noise was crazy too. I didn’t even get on the highway and it would have been difficult to carry a conversation at a normal volume. My non luxury pathfinder is quieter even with a gas engine.

I take a lot of Ubers so I’ve been in my fair share of Model 3/Y…they are shockingly bad (ride quality, interior fit and finish, road noise, wind noise, etc)

I had an X6 M and my model Y is by far a superior experience. I do agree with the road noise though.

Last I heard it was something like a meter. Or was it a liter? Both rhyme so I’m not sure.

Lucid Air.

There is no way that you get 5 working ports in a Hyundai. I rented a brand new one this past summer and the usb ports worked for about 1 week before they died.

TLDR: a dumb fat guy takes his first ride in a Tesla.

Same situation here. I have never liked Tesla on paper, but never rode in one. I took a cab to the airport recently and it was a Model Y (pre-Juniper version I think). This was the most uncomfortable ride in any car I have ever been. Yes even old school economy boxes. * The ride was incredibly stiff, no suspension compliance at all, especially worse on Paris cobblestone streets. * The back bench was way too inclined towards the back for my liking, even though, after asking the driver, re-inclining forward as much as it allows. * The fake leather is slippery as hell, I was sliding every time there was a corner or an acceleration/braking. * No handle above the window to maintain yourself. * Very poor plastics everywhere, notably on the central armrest. * Poor adjustments, lots of bits not aligned with the other bits. * Impossible to roll down the window entirely, it only goes 2/3 of the way through. * I was looking at the surrounding tracking on the main screen, the number of times cyclists and motorcyclists were not seen by the cameras or the system was losing their track because it was on the sides of the car, was properly scary. An incredibly despicable experience. When I saw it was a Tesla, I was like "ok I am certainly too harsh on these cars, let's review my opinion of them". Actually it was even worse than my expectations, and they were already pretty low.

Thats why JD power's surveys only ask about the first 90 days

China is crushing now because Tesla showed them the way. If Tesla did not open that factory in China, things would have been completely different now.

I know, I’m a long time Honda owner, my Accord is 8 years old, previously had a Civic for 7 years (only sold due to long distance move). One of the best things about Honda is the long term reliability, I have full confidence the cars feel almost like new after so many years. I don’t think there are many Tesla owners that keep their cars that long. And btw, it’s also totally luxurious and fast with the Touring V6 trim.

AMC Pacer struts on in

There still is no electric Prius.  If we’re just making shit up, sureee

I am partly wrong - I do forget that for some reason people want electric only vehicles whereas I classify in my mind all electric and hybrid vehicles as the same. Especially the ones where you can choose to drive in only electric mode. The hybrid model is superior anyway IMO. But my point still stands. There are other electric vehicles besides Tesla and they have been available longer than the last 3 years. They are built better.

rode in my first tesla uber a month ago. Beyond all the car issues that others have noted in this thread, the driver also lived up to the reputation I had in my mind of a tesla driver. Dude hard accelerated and braked nonstop in city traffic. I’m sure he thought he was being impressive. I felt like I was gonna barf.  He also serenaded me with an endless list of personal grievances. It was wild.

My point is people were buying over 90% of Tesla for EVs for a reason 3-4 years ago and they’re not anymore and a large part of that was a lack of choice on EVs.  Not a controversial take, but whatever

“Lots of quieter ICE cars?” How many ICE cars have you been in and why?

Agree. My sister bought shortly before the Musk-DOGE episode. My first ride? Not very impressed. I'm not against the EV thing and I drive a hybrid myself. But if we move toward the EV for a next car, I won't begin the shopping with Teslas.

It's funny but I have friends with Teslas and I myself have an ID.4. Most of them have said that they forgot that EV's can have suspensions. On this topic my friend with a Model Y has had 3 busted control arms at 50k while mine has had 3 in 180k kilometres.

I was given a Model 3 as a loaner/rental while my EV9 was in the shop for a week. It was the scariest car I've ever driven. Autopilot was trash, road noise was crazy loud, speakers were garbage, suspension was rough, and the materials were cheap. I recently had an Uber ride in a Model Y and it was just as bad. They are the cheapest made cars on the road right now. I love pulling up next to them at atop lights and absolutely smoking them in my EV9. They're not even that fast anymore unless you get the $100k+ Plaid S or X.

Back seats are usually always meh my man. You gotta drive a car to know.  Speeds bump? Going to fast maybe? Performance model? You're a big guy. Small cars will always suck for you.  Touch screen thing, meh. I don't even look at that. Only look at it for speed and check blind spots. you'd know that isn't a big deal if you drove it.  It's only overwhelming because it is talked up. It is and has always been just a cheap EV. It's priced like a Hyundai, not a BMW.

1 quart is about 5% difference from a liter.

Its hard to imagine someone going into a Tesla looking that ugly and that barebones with no dashboard or buttons or any luxurious features and saying that is "premium"

It’s funny how it’s meant to be a premium car but it’s such a cheap feeling. I’m Nordic and I appreciate simplicity. This isn’t it.

My Corolla was the best car I’ve ever owned. I’m jealous of my friend who has a hybrid Corolla. I’ve a Mazda 3 diesel now and it’s great but the Corolla shits all over it. I want a GR 3 cylinder Corolla for my next car.

My Mazda 3 diesel gets 950 per tank. And it’s like a 35 litre tank.

we have a 21 Model 3,dual motor show me a car that is smoother riding that is as fast and handles as well . u cant have a pillowy suspension and 400 + hp for safeties sake . its def not a luxury car , dont think they ever said it was but what it does it does well here in Socal , sticks its middle finger to every $5 + a gallon gas station we pass

I fucking knew it. Thanks for confirming.

I think many EV's are like throwaway cell phones Tesla is the new Nokia

+1. My Q4 e-tron has been a great car overall even if the range isn't the greatest, but it has been very vice free and does everything well. Unless Chinese EVs make their way to Canada, I'm heavily contemplating the A6 e-tron once my Q4 lease is up.

Looks cheap too.

Ioniq 5 has five USB-C ports while Ioniq 9 has seven.

> Not really. Yes really. > There was F150 lightning, idk when that came out, but volume on that was very low. Way to move those goalposts!

> Might want to list those alongside the sales numbers, champ Might want to follow along on the conversation to see that sales have nothing to do with what was originally said, sport. Moving goalposts to try and prove a wrong point never works.

> My point is people were buying over 90% of Tesla for EVs for a reason 3-4 years ago and they’re not anymore and a large part of that was a lack of choice on EVs. No, your point was that there was no competition available, and everyone knows that's a crock of shit. >Not a controversial take, but whatever Just another attempt to try and shift the conversation from what you said to something else.

> They handle fine. Only to someone that's never driven a decent car. Hell, even putting decent tires on one would probably improve it a lot. You sound like the people that claim their paint is "fine", like their panel gaps.

Any Porsche of similar or superior power (I have one). Any Audi RS or similar. Any Polestar (when they were the sports branch of Volvo) Any current Polestar Any Bentley/RR Any Range Rover of similar or superior power Any high-performing Chinese EV (MG Cyberster, Xiaomi, Xpeng cars) Definitely not the same bracket of price. But who cares about the power in an EV? What is the point? It weighs too much, you can't go too fast with it, otherwise you have to say hello to all charging stations on your path and you eat rubber like Cheerios for breakfast. Who asked for that much power in the Teslas? Nobody. Nobody cares about this unusable power apart from owners who know nothing about cars and are just in love with their spec sheet. Give me a 200 hp Telsa with a good suspension instead of a behemoth of 400+ which rides worse than a pre-WW2 car.

This was my exact point for so many times: how can anyone call Tesla luxury? Slam the door of either Benz or Tesla. Just by sound I can tell which one is luxury and which one is 90s Hyundai. 🤣 Never mind that I drove Teslas multiple times (and so did I BMW 7, Benz S and I currently own Volvo). Tesla luxury? In which parallel universe? 🤣

I bought my 2023 Model Y AWD for the utility and features, the ability to haul me and stuff wherever I want to go in comfort and affordances (e.g. my podcasts, Apple Music, and audio books). I got the Model Y for $6000 off list and another $10k of gov't money so $40k OTD . . . a helluva deal for all the tech I'm getting. I actually rented a Polestar 2 last month as a quick reality check (it was $100 for 3 days so figured I'd put 1500 miles on it vs. my Tesla) and found the CCS-1 plug to be as horrid as I expected, and the interior features to be somewhat lacking vs the Model Y (CarPlay is not as good as Tesla's integrated tablet). I'd certainly buy the 2023 again if I could go back in time; we'll have to wait & see what NACS-equipped alternatives arrive later this decade (I might like a proper BEV van for long trips...)

not really handles but more like door prongs LOL. Not a big fan but also not a big deal, usually

I got my 2023 MY AWD for $40K OTD ($6000 off list + $10k gov't money). No complaints at that price.

ICE is a non-starter for me now so I have to look at the BEV alternatives, and NACS is also a hard requirement (since CCS-1 was designed by people who hate people) so that limits offerings to a very few still. NACS will available in many more cars later this decade; wouldn't mind getting a NACS Sprinter or something.

CCS-1 is shit tho

before I rented Teslas in 2022 I assumed I wouldn't like the tablet. It's fine. And the speed is always in the upper left and easy to see.

happy 2-year owner of a 2023 Model Y but totally agree the seats aren't all that great. They're OK but they could be a lot better.

> Felt like a golf cart with delayed responses wat

LOL when the Model 3 was revised when I was in the market for a BEV I decided I had to get a Model Y before they came for the stalks on that, too.

? my MY AWD is still as fast as I got it in 2023. I wouldn't want it any faster, and it's fast enough whenever i need it.

I adjust my Model Y's side mirrors about once per lifetime. >charging was going to suck compared to an ICE I have home solar so charging is great for in-town driving. Park & plug in, easy-peasy and totally free. For longer trips, charging is fine. Drive 2-3 hours, charge 15-20 minutes. Turns what would be an ~80mph drive to more like 60mph, but it's OK to get out, stretch my legs etc.

100% me LOL. You're like my clone with that. Back in 2000 I got a Miata for the driving experience and it was fun, but now I'm in my 50s I just want a lounge to take me from point A to point B cheaply and pleasantly, and my 2023 Model Y AWD is great for that.

I got mine for $40k OTD net all incentives so the price was in fact low enough for me : )

I would say the original Model S - their first major launch after retrofitting Lotus Elise models was certainly thought of as a luxury sedan. My wife jonesed for one after having ridden in several owners by surgeons she worked with. But as with all things, the economics weren’t there to keep up with the quality on offer. Cheaper materials and shortcuts were needed to break even over the long run. They are very much trying to save money et economies of scale. Seats, door handles, interior parts, etc. are used across the entire model line. Even something as simple as paint. Only offering 5-6 paints per car with many overlapping or being completely the same across the tire model allows the company to save money on products as well as replacement body parts etc.

I love my Lexus NX450h+. Even when I do turn on the engine when I’m out of electric range it’s still much quieter than it should be. I can’t even hear it if I’m play by music.

They're the best selling cars in China (M3, MY) where EVs are way ahead of NA. I wouldn't say they're behind, just lacking in luxury for the price point.

No height? Model 3 No height and wide? Model S Has height? Model y Has height and handles from front and back are close together? Model X Big and ugly? Cyber truck

Nice, but both of the ones in the front dash broke for data. They still did power delivery but no data and therefore no airplay for maps.

They actually remind me of golf carts.

I only see them from the front and back, and they all look the same. They have no unique identifier that says their model name. And compared to my Wrangler, all are short sedans and CUVs.

More likely your cable broke. Cheap ones do that. Also consider your insertion/extraction habits, making sure to apply force directly in or out, never sideways.

Nope had and tried 3 cables. The cable worked for my laptop. I tried restarting both the phone and resetting and restarting the stereo on the car.

Try a model S

Tesla and other automakers don’t make their own brakes, tesla and 14 other major automakers use brembo brakes. Same with transmissions on ICE cars, many car manufacturers use the same transmission from a few suppliers

No I would say it's not about riding in a tesla, but driving a tesla. Driving a tesla is where you'll understand why ppl wants a tesla.

Tesla is horrible with the worst headlights!!

I am critical of Musk and would not buy a Tesla again, but: We are very happy with our ME after 100000 in and 3 years. I sold my bmw 330d, the Tesla is so much nicer to drive.  I tried also Audi, VW and the Hyundai ionic, the M3 was the best by far.  Maybe Mercedes or Volvo are nicer, but they are out of reach wet budget. The M3 is very cheap compared to most EV's. Don't let your dislike for Musk cloud your judgement. It is totally legitimate to avoid Tesla for that reason, but as an ev it is really competitive, like it or not.

Not sure about the latest model, the late 2021 one is quite noisy when you drive a little faster. Biggest issue for me would be no android auto. Or generally, there are no apps at all one can install. Can't also not change the desktop. I would prefer speed, time, Km/h and other thing on demand as needed. Despite their extreme cheap build they are quite reliable though.

Fk da musk ! Get a Audi or BMW EV instead!

Test drive a new one, their quality has improved a lot. Both sides are such bad echo chambers, no one offers a nuanced opinion. It's either the best car ever or the worst car ever, I think there's some good and some bad qualities in Tesla

Similar experience, also an Über. The door handles are clumsy, the door sounds tinny when you close it, and the road noise in the back seat is unacceptable in a vehicle at that price, even in urban driving. I had no preconceived notions about Teslas (different story for notions about Elon), but I would not own one now at any price.

Yes, what you say is pretty much common criticisms of the M3 and MY especially. I've been into cars for almost two decades, including German premium brands, and I've owned a MY since this summer. Keep in mind, the Model 3 is more compact, while the Model Y (which I own) offers more room and a higher ride height that helps with some of those suspension feels over bumps. As someone 193cm tall, I find the Model Y spacious enough, especially compared to sedans like the Model 3. But yeah, test drives are key for fit—I always ask people the same thing: what are you comparing it to? And for the longest time, frankly, there was no real contender as of my experience. The autonomy you get in combination with the charging network is simply unmatched. Road noise is a valid point—EVs highlight it without engine hum—but I've found simple mods like better tires or soundproofing kits make a big difference, and it's comparable to many entry-level premiums. The suspension can be swapped, noises can be deadened, and the materials are functional and durable. However, the car comes with pretty much all state-of-the-art equipment that are expensive options with other manufacturers' offerings. Not even talking about 99% of them cleverly just working, being super quick to respond, and sporting some clever new ideas. The giant touchscreen can take getting used to, but with voice controls and haptic feedback, it's less distracting than fumbling with buttons in older cars. Plus, those blind-spot cameras you liked are integrated seamlessly. All in all, I think a lot of people just like to forget how many things Tesla has popularized in a fashion that's basically unheard of in automotive in the last two or three decades. They played a pivotal role in making EVs a viable, affordable option that works, and in many markets, they are significantly cheaper to run than gas cars. In Switzerland, with our electricity rates, running costs are a steal compared to gas, and the Supercharger network covers highways better than alternatives. Range. Over-the-air updates. Summon/Autopark. Camera-based ACC (further with FSD than anyone thought, despite ongoing challenges). You're right that some fans overhype without context, which sets unrealistic expectations. That's why comparing to real alternatives matters—I think a lot of the problems are coming from Tesla fans not having a real frame of reference and being a little overenthusiastic talking about their cars. If you look at it for what it is, yes, you will find some stuff that's better in other cars. But truth be told, it doesn't compare to the way longer list of things Tesla was able to pull off on par or even superseding all other cars—especially as a new market entrant with reasonable prices and, to date, an unrivaled charging network—especially keeping in mind how quickly they made it all happen. Does that mean it's the right car for everyone? No. But it sure as hell is good enough for me. And trust me, I've driven quite a few cars in my days. But this one, I'm happy to own.

And it's usually even cheaper with the non-performance ones

This anecdotally holds up with people I know that bought them between 2015-2020. I even felt the same way when I first sat in a Tesla 10 years ago because my only other reference point was super cheap used cars from the 90s and early 2000's. Helped that it was all slow street driving, so it was quite quiet. But then I was in one on the freeway and holy hell it was loud. Compared to anything else in the same price range, or even just entry level vehicles with the second trim level, Tesla doesnt hold up but I know people who didnt cross shop anything, they just knew they wanted a tesla before ever sitting in anything else comparable.

Someday. Right now, fucked up life situation means no major purchases. The car is the least of my problems, and I figure pulling the badges off and replacing them with a message that is meaningful to my family ("cancer is a bitch") will have to do.

You probably right and not only cars

I did not drive any of those, my friends abroad did some they like some so so, price is subsidised by government but i guess we have the some sort of the same here, yeah China is winning a lot

I got my Toyota for 72 months 0% so I jumped on it. That being said, I miss some aspects of my Model 3 like the extra side cameras popping up on the screen when switching lanes (an amazing safety feature, no more blind spots).

I drove a Y yesterday and absolutely hated it.

Loving Polestar! Awesome Awesome Automobile!

I have Mg5, it's a great car

The insurance thing seems like a thing. I see it a fair bit in AU. There is always someone that seems to get a good price and nobody can ever figure out why. Meanwhile most of us get quotes like I did. My BYD is $1,600/yr AUD with hire car and 35,000km+ while a base model Juniper was quoted at $4,500. Only difference between the two quotes is the car, otherwise same garaged address, drivers etc. There is only $300 difference between my BYD and the wife's X-Trail. I can only assume that repair costs are astronomical on Teslas in comparison

I had 3 Porsches in a row before I got my Model S. The previous Gen Y and 3 which us probably what OP was in are not great quality unless you’re used to shitty cars but the 2021+ S, 2026+ Y and 2024+ 3 are solid. It’s more things like the driving dynamics at high speed or that I miss most about the Porsches I had.

As an American who has spent my entire life dealing with quarts and liters, it has been amusing watching people that have apparently never seen a quart struggle with the concept.

You rode in a M3 that’s your problem. My Cybertruck is amazing

I loved my 2000 civic ex. 215k miles and was still pretty good shape, needed another cat.

I think it's probably worse on the American/Imperial unit side of things. The funniest part is that we have plenty of things that we sell in metric units. Soda/pop/soft drinks/whatever are generally sold in 3 sizes for personal consumption: 12, 16, and 20 oz cans or bottles. But for the larger sizes for parties or whatever, for pouring into individual cups, we have two sizes: 2 liters and 3 liters. I've never seen any other size on the larger end. But ask most people how big a liter is in any other context, and they have no freaking clue. And if they still can't visualize a liter, just divide by 4, and you have the number of gallons. Of course asking the average American to divide by 4 in their head is an iffy proposition. Similarly, grams. Most of our foodstuffs list serving quantities on labels, in both an imperial unit and grams. I always use grams when measuring something, myself. But if people have trouble with metric weights, just multiply by 2, and you have a ballpark number of pounds, so you can conceptualize how much something expressed in kilograms weighs. That doesn't work if you need precision, but then you just flip the units of your scale to metric, if it isn't there already. On the other side of the pond, they often sell drinks in pints. I can understand how it's hard to remember what the multipliers are for the different measurement parameters. Ours are so screwy. Is it x4 from pints to quarts, or is that from quarts to gallons? 🤷

It’s like trump: poor’s idea of luxury.

Yeah but they only have 2 models that really sell…

Ccs isn’t bad at all. Nacs was designed by people who knew worked on the type 1 plugs and said “f everyone else, we’re doing our own thing”

I think they meant most Tesla drivers think they are the fastest thing on the road

"NACS" was invented for good reason, re-using the AC pins for DC makes DC charging much better, superior to even the Chademo on my old LEAFs. I actually rented a CCS-1 car from Hertz last month since I saw they had some available for $25/day and I had a trip to Boise I had to do before winter, so it lined up to try a Chinese/Korean BEV for the first time – fortunately they gave me a Polestar 2. I stopped at 6 or so EA pumps and one EVgo pump each way, and the plug-in experience, wrangling that thing, was as bad as I expected (with my LEAF I'd occasionally handle a CCS-1 connector just to put it back etc). NACS is clearly the way to go and no way would I want a CCS car instead, especially after Trump and the GOP killed all investment in public charging.

To each his own. I’ve had 0 issues so far so maybe user error

Thats 50% of their line up lol

But only two selling large numbers

Nobody's going to miss CCS, and no sane person would pick CCS-1 over NACS. This goes beyond personal preference to just simple universal ergonomics. CCS was designed by a committee that valued backwards compatibility over people, full stop. (and probably secretly hated BEVs anyway)

Yeah, why would anyone care about compatibility on a product that lasts 20 years or more?

it's best to cut ties with past fuck-ups like J-1772 instead of retaining them in new standards. Pull off the bandaid as it were.

My friend said I could ride in the drivers seat for an FSD. It was definitely one of the drives of all time

That certainly is a… take You understand the only difference between j1772 and nacs is the plug and nacs cars need ugh more complicated systems in the vehicle.

We’re same age I bet too haha

try pulling 150kW through the two j1772 power pins and get back to me great thing about NACS is that the 20A connector I have in my garage is the same plug basically I use when traveling long distances. It's really elegant, better than Nissan's original j-1772 / Chademo thing. And it's also going to replace CCS-1 in the US since all the OEMs are ditching it this decade. Next year, really.

Which Toyota did you end up getting?

I have a Civic sport touring hybrid and I friggin’ love it. 50 mpg, fun to drive, quiet, peppy, moon roof, heated leather seats, built in Google + Apple Carplay. I can drive 500 miles on a tank of gas.

Back seat of the model 3 is not great. Seat is too low, headroom is mediocre. No room under the front seats for feet. The Y is much better in this respect. That said, I wonder about the age of the model 3 you rode in. A couple years ago Tesla did a fairly major upgrade to the model 3, and made it a lot quieter and a lot smoother riding. Go test drive a brand new Model 3, or better yet a Model Y. Both are markedly improved in noise and ride comfort compared to their original versions.

Model S and X are actually nice. I see all these model 3 owners who say it’s the nicest car they’ve ever been in and … yeah lol I believe it’s the nicest car YOUVE been in.

Go to the Tesla center and do a Demo drive for yourself. I demoed the M3 and MY and wound up getting both. The 26 models are really good and the latest EV designed tires are good. The latest FSD is a game changer. I’m using it 80% of the time. Coming from a Polestar 2 the M3 was much smoother, the software was 10 times better and there are 2 cup holders!

HUGE difference between riding in the back seat of the economy Tesla, and DRIVING it. Try driving one and you will find that most, if not all your complaints don't apply. Very different experience. I had a Model 3 for 7 years and then traded it for a Model X and never looked back. (also, the suspension is adjustable, so the driver probably had it where they like it and probably never ride in their own back seat. Most cars at the same level as a Model 3 have a cramped back seat.

drive one before you state "facts" about what they are like

If the \~200 mile range isn't a deal-breaker, a used Audi etron SUV is an obscenely nice car for the $25-30k you can get into one for nowadays.

I went from always driving a Mercedes for 40 years to the Model 3 and truly, you guys should actually test drive one. Most of these comments are from people who are going by what they "red" on reddit and not from personal experience. Before I traded up to a Model X, I truly thought I would never drive a car I loved as much (as the M3), But the idea of never having maintenance--other than rotating the tires every FIVE years and refilling the window washer-- is quite wonderful. Also, I can tow my travel trailer (and have) across country every year in pure luxury and only have to stop to charge every two hours, which is when I stopped when towing with my gas-hog pickup. My best friend has a Lincoln and it's way noisier than my X. I hate Musk, but I love my car. You guys can hate on them all you want, I only know my own (actual) experience.

I had an etron after the Tesla. A really great car!!

I have in fact driven one, and have a friend who owns two. They are some of the least comfortable cars I have ever been in.

I only knew I was tired of polluting the planet and paying for all that gas and wanted an EV. My home generates more electricity than it uses, so when I can drive a car for virtually free (except for insurance), that's something I can never come back from (in a good way). I test drove BMW, Lincoln , Mercedes, and Tesla. The Tesla won hands down as far a cush, noise, handling PLUS zero maintenance, zero pollution.

Summary: critic admits he finally takes a ride in a Tesla after criticizing them for years. He’s an overweight chap so the backseat of a mid sized vehicle doesn’t accommodate him to his liking.

What exactly makes you think I've never driven/ridden/been in one? Because my conclusions don't support your delusions?

Try the newer Highland and Jupiter before making any judgements, they have stronger casted chassis, better suspension setup and sound isolation. I owned or drove regularly European and a few Japanese made in the last few decades, mostly luxuries; none of those can beat the AWD, power and refinement of that an EV drivetrain can deliver. Suspension wise, if you are not used to sub-5sec sport tuned cars, you will feel a bit harsh, but considering the HP these cars have, it is not really unexpected. For the noise, without an engine, of course your focus will be directed to the tire and wind noise, it is not the car being noisier, it is your sensation is being heightened. Also what type of tires is being used can be a factor.

My experience test driving one was to reinforce that I definitely wanted an EV, but was going to have to wait for the existing OEMs to come out with one before I bought it because I also wasn’t going to be able to put up with Tesla’s suspension or interior.

i’m late to the party, but I just had this identical experience. Never rode in a Tesla and then took two in the same day via Uber. Very underwhelming. The weird door handles seems like a pointless gimmick. The seats felt worn out already on a car that was only a couple years old. I thought I would love the glass roof, but I honestly didn’t even notice it after my first glance. I recently got a 23 bolt EUV, which is very much an economy car, but at the same time a lot more comfortable and built more solidly than the Teslas I rode in.

It got destroyed and had several limiting issues. It's one positive was price and you could buy a Miata for fun with the savings per the conclusion. So it's a limited performance car still. Not hot garbage by any means but has severe limitations.

My 2019 Tesla had the loudest cabin of any car I’ve ever been in but my 2026 Model S is great. It’s quiet and handles much better. It’s far superior to the Model 3 and the full self driving works like a charm

As a Tesla owner (I like ours) I will say that Tesla owners don’t seem to be car people at all. At least the vast majority aren’t. Most of them couldn’t change a tire so having no spare is perfectly fine. These are the people who would blow up their transmission or engine in their ice vehicles because they never changed the oil or transmission fluid. It becomes more apparent when you’re in the subs and see people asking about if they can drive on their tires. My personal vehicle is a jeep wrangler (wife primarily drives the model y). She fell in love with it because it feels so different than an ICE vehicle b

Hyundai, Kia, Ford, and the German luxury makes all do.

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That’s what I said…

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You don’t seem to get it

I went from mercedes to tesla as well and I am very happy.

Nope never. I did ride shotgun once. Flimsy trim. I could go on and on. Awful. Who would buy one of these things. Horrible dash. Just everything was bad. Why? Social acceptance? You know your one purchase won't save the planet. Build quality equals suck. The cheapest part, the drivetrain is quick because there is no torque loss. Other than that it's a depreciation disaster.

You rode in a an old Tesla model 3. Get in a newer one and you’d have an entirely different experience.

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the Tesla model 3 weighs less than a new Mustang . The heavy EVs are the BMWs and others who modify their gas cars into EVs some as heavy as 5k lbs . Theres no China cars here so cross that of the list . Plus Tesla has the ease of the Supercharger network a huge plus . You would be surprised how many carguys enjoy the performance of them . Im more interested in the range and economy , the performance is an added benefit. The Audis and others u mention cost much more than a Model 3 anyhow

I'm pretty sure that when someone told you to "ride" in one, they were implying that you should be the driver. I know it may seem like semantics or literalism, but there's is a distinct and drastic difference in the overall experience between the two seat positions.

^moot

USA are not the center of the world anymore. Maybe one day, Americans will understand that. A Tesla is an EV, so it is automatically too heavy. It does not absolve the sins of too heavy ICE cars, but this is moving the goal post. Moving goal posts: typical reaction of a Tesla owner as he knows that, if he does not do it, he has no counter-arguments.

Ty

I have only been in model 3 and y and agree its meh. Not worth the insurance costs and charing on road trips. No thanks. They look cool and the model S and cyber truck are pretty interesting but way out of my budget range.

not really as i also have an ice car also and had cars made in many parts of the world . unfortunately all world cars are not available here in the states . competition improves the breed . i chose what works best for my needs as of now

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More often now i notice that China is advancing fast and we might be sleepwalking

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Honestly, the road noise is awful in the car. Even on the Highland. A little extra weatherproofing rubber would be welcome. If they’d do that and up the material qualities, this would be a fantastic car. It’s not a cute look at $50,000 having an interior that makes a Sentra look like a Lexus.

To be honest the 3 is a base level car. It is not supposed to be luxury.

I almost NEVER use the breaks, so why is this important?

Yeah - we know. This is r/RealTesla subreddit after all

I had to rent a Tesla years ago. I was unimpressed with the entire experience, especially the screen's UI

Love my Ioniq 5 so I’m with you there. 😍

Ayy I have this car too :D By far the coolest and most fun car I've ever driven. Hope to get the 5n one day. Glad you love it!

It’s a 2024 limited all-wheel-drive. Best car I’ve ever owned. Fantastic daily driver. Puts a smile on my face every time.

To be fair, there is almost no fun riding as a Uber passenger in a Tesla model 3. You are right in that sense. But when it comes to driving yourself, it is an entirely different experience. No other gas car (except the expensive sports cars) can beat that experience. I am no fan of Tesla but have to admit the exception driving experience. The interiors of the car aren’t impressive either just plain and clean but the technology is the most advanced. Other cars aren’t even close despite all the AI stuff..

The latest iteration actually handles quite good.

They handle fine. I am wondering if anyone who is complaining have ever driven one spirited, yet alone on track. Old one: https://youtu.be/7BMoprNXZZg?si=p0oZAoLrhTZJdI4J New one with brake upgrade (brakes are shit from factory) https://youtu.be/LfQGDNgoeWs?si=XUgXwNGV3JFJk-1Z

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Handling is not an issue. Comfort was the problem always, they ride harsh. What is your exact issue with handling? I am honestly curious.

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I still stick to my opinion that the handling is not bad with a model 3. I take all of my cars to Nürburgring Nordschleife for so many years. Also took my first gen M3 LR AWD, just out of curiosity. Brake could not handle even 1/2 lap, but the car was surprisingly good. Nürburgring Nordschleife is well known about uneven, challenging surface. How i see: Steering is non communicative, like almost all new cars in the market. Even on uneven surfaces with undulation, it handles well, and neutral. No problem at very high speed (Autobahn, top speed driving at 233 km/h) Suspension is harsh, over dampened for normal driving. Last gen (highland) is much better tuned. Brakes are utterly shit. Just bad. No feel, bad modulation, fades fast. Latest Model 3 Performance brake is much better but nothing special. Maybe the one you tried had worn out suspension bushes. They prone to fail fast. In addition: I drive fast cars and bikes for almost 30 years, going to track days regularly, including professional driver trainings. My tesla is the daily beater car, but the real car is Porsche I use for weekend spirited drivings and track days. I believe I have a good understanding of good and bad handling after driven more than 200 cars from super crappy shitboxes (do you know Trabant for example ?) to high end sport cars. We can beat Teslas about so many thing, but they are handling fine. Not perfect, but absolutely fine.

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