*cries in HW3*
Right there with ya bud heh
Received the trial but it’s not 14.2. How do I upgrade?
Interesting. I find 14.2 to be a regression. V13 had issues (primarily the inability to plan ahead to get in the right lane for a turn or off ramp), but was at least generally smooth. V14 didn’t fix 13’s issues and made the ride jerkier: phantom breaking, indecisive lane changes, swerving around shadows… I must be in the minority because this is not the version I’d want a bunch of people trying.
I wonder when v14 will arrive in NZ/Aus? There haven't been too many updates since the v13 release here...
Cries in 2.5 😂
Same here. Like exactly your comment
Score. Just in time for holiday travel. They are going to get so much data
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It really is wild how varied the experiences are. For me, 14.2 has been, honestly approaching Elon’s hype on it. Then I see just as many other people with your opinion. Hopefully it all comes together for everyone soon.
I haven’t received 14.2 yet but 14.1.7 is actually competent with parking in my driveway, and had better response to traffic jams in my area. I’m still nervous allowing it to use Zipper merge lanes correctly.
Exact same. To the point I'm yelling at my car and telling it things it shouldn't be hearing lol
It’s pretty dang good on my hw3 model 3. I’ll buy a new Tesla when they get to unsupervised.
If the system actually reaches that point, they will actually assume all liability when the system is active. Not the current situation where they can just blame you for all of its failures and take credit when it works well.
Updated to 14.2 last night. Just drove it for the first time this evening… I hated it. Hurry max out at 75mph, and Mad max goes to 85 every chance it gets. Not cool!! Very annoying in fact. before the update was perfect. Hurry max out at 80. Now in hurry, it drives 75 in the left lane where people here in California is driving 80!!! They have to fix this asap pleaseeeee. Bring back the old scrolling speed limit please ffs.
I’m still waiting for 14.2 to be available to download!
Why is FSD the same price for HW3??
Wow! Can't wait to not give a shit!
What if I already subscribe month to month how can I get it free
Because it doesn't benefit Tesla to get more people to use FSD on HW3. In fact, owners on HW3 with FSD is a big problem for Tesla because Tesla promised to upgrade them in the future. I'm more surprised that Tesla is still allowing owners of HW3 vehicles to buy FSD.
Dammit even the crying emoji isn’t updated in 2.5… /s
Where did they promise that? I thought they have said that HW3 is “perfectly capable”.
Already had two trials of this, let’s see if they fixed the phantom breaking on freeways and always driving me to the fastest lane regardless of my speed!
They need more test data for v14.3 😊
I actually like FSD on HW3 on city streets (San Francisco, for example. Especially in traffic, it does quite well. It’s the suburban areas which seem to give it more difficulty.
So if I cancel my subscription now I’ll get a free month?
It seems like they need more testing miles to feed into the model. V14 became available for me today but I'm holding off... not sure what to do.
Cries European/UK tears
What’s crazy is we’ve had the same complaints for YEARS. One step forward two steps back
Nice! I’ve been waiting for it to happen again
Fix the dam merging . Whis does try to fucking pass cars when the exit it .6 miles away and miss the exit . Just stay in the fucking lane
Yes! It’s so annoying!
The have since rescinded that claim
They are delaying FSD for HW3 as long as possible so users get rid of their cars and they just pay for those who join the class action law suit. It's probably cheaper than retro fitting all current cars.
My 26’ model y does this all day everyday. Point A to Point B.
Was just about to post “cries in HW3 in my MSP”
I would think twice if you’re still on 13.2.9 and you really care about comfort.
Not 100% sure, but I think we all just get to skip a payment. Edit: this is also what happened earlier this year when 13.x came out. https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1975/how-to-enjoy-your-one-month-free-trial-of-teslas-full-self-driving-fsd
Yeah I just got 14.2, and Hurry is capping at 75. Seems like all of the speed profiles got their max speeds lowered by 5mph. The hesitation in lane changes is pretty frustrating, too. So far this seems like a big step back
They should not; it does not work well. 14.1.7 was better in a lot of ways.
I think they like when you show it off to family in town for holidays.
Thanks for the trial Tesla but I’m still not spending thousands on this shit after the trial is done
Only HW4 owners? Oooof!! Not a good look for those that already feel shafted
Still waiting as an early adopter on HW3
Kinda funny how everyone getting 14.2 or the email and here I am stuck on 14.1.4 and didn’t get an email
Yes it will back itself out of my garage and make a three point turn in my driveway.
This was exactly my experience going from v13 to v14.1 but now v14.2 seems to have remedied all of that and now it’s amazing.
For it to work on HW3 they need to adjust the code to make space to fit in random phantom braking and additional RNG to the windshield wiper behavior.
You really think your Tesla will last 15+ years?
Unusable! FSD has never missed an exit for me on any version, up until 14.2, over five times now
I pay monthly since last trial and it is worth every penny.
I want them to bring back radar; I really believed in Elons' original spiel about how it can be "better than human drivers because it can see what you couldn't possibly see from the car" The cameras will certainly be enough, eventually, but why settle for "enough"
It’s the highway lane changes in traffic that are way worse. Everything else is honestly very good for me.
You could buy a new model 3 in late 2023 and have HW3. Those buyers aren’t going anywhere for a long time.
I have no reason to doubt it’ll last atleast 10 more.
Those are part of the ones he will have to pay. The ones from 2016-2020 tho...
Like I said, very different experiences. Highway lane changes have been fine for me. Sometimes I wish they would initiate faster after putting the blinker on, but they’ve been smooth and confident once they start.
Where and when is this class action and how many pennies on the dollar will we be receiving?
You can’t rescind a claim after we bought it. My invoice says full self-driving car capable and musk said my car will be capable of self driving which is why I paid $5000 for feature that wasn’t even out yet. Either give me back from $5000 or retrofit the car. It already has been upgraded to 3.5.
We always get left out lol
Oof paying $5k for something that doesn’t exist is rough. Sorry bud
[Link 1](https://www.bottinilaw.com/other-case/tesla-inc-0#:~:text=On%20September%2015%2C%202022%2C%20Bottini,require%20Tesla%20to%20pay%20restitution.) [Link 2](https://www.tedlaw.com/california-judge-certifies-tesla-class-action-over-full-self-driving-autonomy/#:~:text=2.,self%2Ddriving%20capabilities%20than%20delivered.)
They said that they will retrofit your car... but they never said when. That's the catch. They can easily just kick this issue down the road forever. Also, as explained by [this](https://dobinlaw.com/dobin-tesla-arbitration-fsd-refund/) lawyer, getting a refund is not going to be easy. Good luck with that $5000.
Same in my 21 MSP.
And Europe? 🙏
What software version will include FSD 14.2? Tried getting my HW4 Model Y to update but it seems like it’s hanging out on 2025.38.9
I had the same experience. V13 was really great for me, I completed a 2,000 mile road trip with almost no interventions. When I got back home, I updated to V14 and now I can’t even use it on my commute. I had to cancel my subscription since it’s mostly useless for me now. I even thought I had a hardware issue or something because of the huge difference.
[HW4 computer has an HD Radar](https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/06/19/tesla-teardown-confirms-the-presence-of-the-new-radar-in-hw4-equipped-vehicles/), but it's inactive.
Trust me bro, this time it's perfect..
Cancelled my subscription "in HW3"
They need to lower the price to $50cdn.
Don’t.
Our older Model S is almost 13 years old at this point with barely an issue except for noisy creaks here and there. I see no reason our newer cars would last as long. We have a 2013, a 2018, and a 2023 for reference.
Just make sure there are no leaves blowing around...
Yeah, I’m on this software version too. I’m wondering the same thing and if we’ll still get the trial when we eventually get the updated version.
I had a loaner this week with HW4 and FSD 14.2. It finally made me get anxious for a retrofit or something to bring the car up to par. It was really impressive.
In previous trials where the car didn’t update right away, it did give the 30 days from when the car finally updated. So I will wait patiently.. for now lol
That’s what I was hoping for. I’m not complaining, but if I were, I’d have preferred this come out when the weather wasn’t so terrible either lol.
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As someone bearish on the stock, I applaud this move. If this turns out to be a big success then congrats to Elon and to Tesla stock supporters. However, this is also a risky move in that it could involve a sudden surge in people relying on FSD while ignoring the 'Supervised' part of the equation, resulting in a spike in Tesla involved accidents. It will also demonstrate just how many people will be willing to commit to the $99/mo subscription cost, and thus give stock analysts a better sense of what kind of cash flow Tesla can maybe expect from this technology. Especially as competing technology such as Super Cruise goes for less than half of that amount. Anywho, Happy Thanksgiving to all.
It keeps missing exits for me and will cut people off
Currently still on my 3 months free from delivery, hoping I get another month added on
I've had this too. Swerves to avoid swirling leaves, dodges skid marks on the highway. Overall a regression at this point, wish I hadn't upgraded yet.
Yo same! I am a big FSD fan and 14.2 has been tough - it has served super hard into a turn lane for no apparent reason twice. Wife was in the car both times, which means FSD is in timeout for awhile.
Chilling in my HW3 performance model 🤣
Cost me $5k for my HW3 🤣
It'll probably be a class action lol
I’m on hw3 and it does the exact same thing.
Got my 2023 HW3 MYP like a month before HW4 (red camera models) started popping up. Not complaining really. Just saying that many will be keeping their cars for a long time.
Yes. And mine is only a 2023 that I bought at the end of that years make. Ah well. I stopped using FSD after my second free trial. Maybe in 5 years when I get another one it’ll actually work.
Top comment in every thread on this sub is always complaining Edit: top 10 comments in this thread are all complaints. Pretty fuckin cool of Tesla to do this honestly.
I'm with you on this. I don't think lidar is useful enough over vision to warrant it, but radar probably is. Watching videos of autopilot from years ago with just one camera and radar, the radar seemed very powerful, being able to somewhat 'see' ahead of the car in front of them by bouncing the radar under the car. Vision and lidar can't do that. There has been videos where the Tesla reacts and avoids collisions that it couldn't possibly see otherwise. Also ultra sonics so it knows with centimeter accuracy where nearby objects are. The whole goal is to never touch anything with the car, ultra sonics facilitate that very well
They are doing it because the FSD take rate is so low. It is good marketing to existing customers -- except for the HW3 (and before) customers.
And those of us on HW3 and paid $8000 for it still get nothing.
Tesla's HW3 actions make it unlikely to increase the take rate for FSD. Why would anyone trust Tesla when they leave some of their best customers stewing over FOMO?
I did 2 zipper merges yesterday in MadMax and had no issues. It did miss an exit from trying to merge -- bad/delayed planning.
I have v12 (22MYP) and v14 (25M3AWD). I think v14 handles many complex situations better than v12. However, v14 has lots of kinks to work out. With v12 and v13 I know what it is going to do. I am sensitive to the fact I accepted the risk to test v14 while other drivers did not accept that risk. I try to be super diligent.
Nice - still a bonus they didn't have to offer!
Vapourware.
True
Congrats to the AI and Tesla team most importantly?They are the ones actually working on this and building FSD
Jetzt sollte ich in Nordamerika leben. Deutschland ist so abgeschlagen.
I mean, they won’t even give HW3 a free month of FSD just to make us feel wanted. That’s crazy!
Hw4 owner here, you'd have to pay me a pretty large amount of money to actually use this.
I mean it's not a perfect product let's just be honest here.
Got the email last night. Looking forward to trying it out, though we don't have any major travel planned in the near future.
Oh, amen to that! Elon gets far too much credit for what is actually the hard work of tons of other people. I sympathize that they have him representing the company (there can be no denying he has pushed a double-digit % of the original customer base away from the brand).
The DMV case in CA could give some remedy to HW3 owners, at least those in California. It's been 125 days since that hearing ended, so the judge could be dropping a ruling any day now.
Not interested. I don't feel safe using it.
Wonder if the goal is to sell more subscriptions or if they want more data faster.
Of course, they're both the goal
God damn it.. just subscribed yesterday to try out 14.2😭
Newbie question: are leased Teslas exempt?
14.2 has been phenomenal for me
Why is Australia stuck on v13 for hw4 cars. Boring!!!
My car is getting fixed right now :( there is no way i can adjust the dates right now:(
It stacks, so it'll be free for a month
I'm on hardware for with version 13 in the fastest speed profile and it always pretty much does the same thing regularly. People complaining that it never used to do that obviously used the slower profiles. So by the time I upgrade to 14.2.1, I'm hoping either this issue is resolved which should be but if it by chance isn't, it'll be pretty much the same for me regardless
You'll get one month free
2024 MY, just got the email Your Tesla will be able to complete driving maneuvers, navigating traffic, parking and more under your active supervision. To download, open the Software tab on your Model Y touchscreen menu and tap install to start your trial.\* For faster download, connect to Wi-Fi. With over [6.5 billion miles of driving experience](https://link.tesla.com/ls/click?upn=u001.pWUC6dM8Msun3LxPCegEXHfyv-2FCq4uu0POlrqqAw7FL8CsPQmfOTkmtc4BMMTArCp-2FnTFPZN-2FSf-2BdHNRWeWImu8Gb8ZEYJ6tkTyzghuij4I220Y0yVb4NxkzySyBx4btsAcWG3qCaaCz-2B-2FXbq4ZfDMcvAbnLX41XjEUhx-2BE5PGf1S5nnYQV83t20yraEF3fstOHVKyolgDSrcTyG2O2ycuejYTukTKES4qy9Y0gJGXBfwb237-2BhA0fBsBlu3FQsdDWUg4qOIT2iZ7bALhHSnwQ-3D-3DMAVD_EnaqNeDicjPv00mXNAwzVBjMgNazrqD-2FQllpVwjh20vk-2BKx8gCV3bhRUHqG55AG3F-2F4CI4vD5AFWfYhj1VW82EnCx0hMqdBp7DlZRGprUoYaWKQFZ4pOAca3NUvjd0Zoo9y0EzGYEJZgATvzXGxj-2FXlt6Tbk7gorXKopf6R8jc4JLWfzzOB1scLC-2BL4kMp-2B-2Fsyofy5v1GCU4-2B76ErBTup1LI5ljndqz47NPItpYNyT-2BUdT0NzpHgdmwl-2FmvuSN3BZhWJfJ1QYywnGne7O2Kiz7t8KRYuarYAFdgAOYhlZhf8movgBRwFLRvh24TdhwpK), FSD (Supervised) helps keep you safer.
There already is one. https://www.tedlaw.com/california-judge-certifies-tesla-class-action-over-full-self-driving-autonomy/
Do you have to be connected to wifi to get this free trial?
I just started the 2025.38.9.6 download, which, according to [tessie.com](http://tessie.com), includes FSD 14.2.1. It's taking much longer to install than it usually does (43% complete after 1 hour, 15 minutes), perhaps because of the FSD code. That, or their servers are getting pounded right now!
Weird. Got scammed by a known scammer. Whodathunkit?
Will those who pay month to month get a free month
Better join the class action because you aren’t getting that upgrade
Maybe don’t buy shit that doesn’t exist?
Cries in Mazda 6
HW2/3 owners underwater right now. SHEESH, slap in the face.
"Perfectly Capable!" till HW5 is released
Standard, chill, or sloth don't only does it in hurry and mad max in my experience
So glad I’m on auto renew🙄
Did you see a confirmation of this or get an email?
Received my notice today, I see the offer is tied to the VIN. Mine is a low milage 2024 MYP. And, if Elon wants me to buy, he should make it $4K. Because I think part of his Trillion compensation package is tied to FSD packages sold. So... just trying to help a brother out. That's me. Generous to a fault.
Got mine this morning, trials goes on until January 7! I’m so excited
Bruh I bought my car at 2AM in the morning when I found a sweet deal like 2 weeks ago. This was my first Tesla. 23 Model Y LR AWD. Then like 2 days ago I learned the difference between HW3 and HW4. I sheet accepted delivery and everything is signed lol. I never really used autopilot/FSD because I just love to drive manually but still would’ve been nice to have HW4. I’ve been kicking myself for not looking on reddit before making a purchase
Isn't it only 30 days? Or were you already subbed to FSD?
So they aren't collecting enough data to improve the system, so they will offer it free to be able to get the data needed. Then they will raise the price.
Does it work for leases?
The old man lessened learned take does not what tesla did as well as advertised by the damn CEO legal.
That's a good point. More free advertising. I'm probably going to end up doing this myself.
Did anyone else get more than 30 days? My current trial essentially got extended. Was supposed to expire on Dec 12th but now expires on Jan 20th. Which is more like 40 days.
Yes, but not quite that long. I just got the email, mine says it starts today and lasts until Jan. 7th
Fine by me. I dont drive enough to warrant buying it at all so if i get free trials in the meantime, im all for it!
Unless you are forced to buy it, I don't see the problem.
How is it vapourware?
This is why I haven't upgraded to H/W 3 in my 2.5 car. I'm waiting until retrofit 4 is available to 2.5 cars.
Are they including Canada in North America lol just asking as I got nothing at this time
Need it to drive me home in new years. Gonna wait until December 2nd to update and activate the 30 day trial.
I have it now and have some mixed feelings about it. The FSD is definitely much smoother than before. However, where it was virtually flawless with its navigation, even with 14.1.7, there were numerous times where I had to either interfere by using the accelerator (the car unnaturally slowed down, even while using the Mad Max profile), but it got several destinations wrong, forcing me to disengage and take over. The one big bright spot is that for the first time EVER, my car backed in to my carport while using FSD without any interference on my part. It did it automatically, which is any HUGE plus as far as I’m concerned!!!
Oh no, no no no, I would rather be on version 13 all day right now. 14.2 is far far far worse than 13 was. No comparison.
I've heard 14.2.1 was addressed those concerns but once again we will see
I hope so! I haven’t been pushed 4.2.1 yet, but I know 14.2.0 has been a nightmare
My problem is FSD not knowing the speed limit of the road it just turned onto. A twenty year old Garmin like device knows more about the road speed limits than my Tesla. And its odd too, leaving my subdivision it knows what the new road's speed is but turning onto that road from another and suddenly it doesn't - just keeps the speed of the previous road.
Tesla promised it will come out "by the end of the year" and that the price will increase significantly. I also fell for this. It sucks, but at the time I didn't think I was paying for something that "doesn't exist", I believed I was making an investment. After 4 years, still no FSD here in Europe and still no hope my Intel HW3 car will ever get it here. I was one of the early Tesla and people like me did the free advertising that made Tesla a huge company, and I feel betrayed.
Yes
All they need to do is give a greater discount for fsd. I have enhanced auto pilot it’s 2k for the upgrade to fsd. Have other priorities and not pressed to do the upgrade. If it was 1k , I’d jump in it.
Wow !
I got it through Jan 7
The next time I buy from TESLA IS NEVER.
What happens if you already have free FSD from a recent purchase?
If I am subscribed do I need to cancel to get 1 month free?
14.1.7 tries to park in my nextdoor neighbors drive way
All we get is Ashok saying we're not forgotten and that he drives a HW 3 Model 3. LOL.
Don't forget, we got Ashok saying we're not forgotten and that he drives a HW 3 Model 3 too. I guess that's all we get. LOL.
It's the same logic that priced the new "Standard" Model 3 & Y. LOL.
Did the same with my free trial of v12.6.4 on a used '22 Tesla Model 3 that I bought. Love the vehicle, could not stand FSD on HW 3. I would consider paying around $10 a month for v12.6.4. LOL.
Like, dude... it's pretty damn obvious that out of loyalty they should have offered free FSD to ALL owners for a month. All we get is Ashok saying we're not forgotten and that he drives a HW 3 Model 3. LOL. So, to the contrary Mr. Gary, bat shit crazy move IMHO.
Right it should just come with the car. Free for veterans
I gave my cousins all a ride in my 2026 Y over Thanksgiving. They were awestruck by FSD and Grok unhinged.
Get a new car.
Some of us would if we still had the EV tax credit and the offered to transfer FSD + Free Supercharging. But alas...
It sounds like they had used sensor fusion as an excuse to get rid of it to save costs. USS and Radar were removed around covid supply issues. Waymo is doing sensor fusion just fine, they cut costs to boost profit...
Why would you be surprised it's all about money
It's the Tesla Way. Over promise and under deliver..
Unfortunately you're going to be waiting a very long time before you get that phone call
It's super buggy
FSD on HW3 is going to COST Tesla a lot of money because of the promise to upgrade them. It is a liability for Tesla.
So the HW3 vehicle I was sold is in fact not FSD capable and I was misled by Tesla? When is the class action starting?
If I have a 3 month trial that ends 12/20 will it add 30 days or should I wait till my current trial ends?
I have full self driving on my Model Y and I love it because it's me!! 100% reliable and costs nothing. I'm just saying.
Still untrustworthy. Always has been.
yes
I’ve done all the free trials (3 of them) and tbh it just makes me too nervous. It feels a lot like when I was teaching my daughter to drive. I’m on edge the whole time and if it hits something the repairs are on my time and on my dime. Maybe when I’m a lot older, but for now I’d rather just drive myself.
Has anyome decided to pull the cell card in the card in the car, and stop giving Tesla the driving data from the car? Can you disable sharing from a menu in the car.
and on the road 😂
Once again Tesla screwing over early and mid adopters. I think we're ok so far due to the stock price going up.
Not if you’re paying for the monthly subscription apparently (source: me). Sucks because I’ve had identical free trials like these before in my ~year of ownership despite still having the monthly subscription.
Personally I think this is bullshit! My $42,000 2023 hardware 3 Tesla is ONLY 2 years old and I can’t get a free trial! It’s almost like Tesla is telling people that bought a car only two years ago that it’s already outdated!
It actually works now! My partner has a 2026 model Y and has FSD and it’s amazing! It even drives out of our garage, backs out of the driveway! Now tell me that’s not impressive! I wish I could show you how our driveway is! I honestly don’t know how it does it.
I understand it works on hw4. But Tesla optimizes and releases for the current hardware first and then optimizes for older hardware as it can. So we may never see the version your wife has.
Still don’t have this update despite driving a car only 1 week old as of today 🥲
The FAQ makes it sound like you won't even get the trial if you are an active subscriber.
😭😭😭
I just bought a 2026 Tesla with Fsd. But it has v13, not 14.2 😞. Why are they not preinstalling latest in new vehicles? Are there lots of people in the same boat? Wondering how long before i get the update?
Just curious - why care so much about HW4 if you drive yourself?
I have a 2023 model 3 and I didn’t get that. I always get it when it’s free. Weird.
I'm not alone
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