14.2 rolling out in a few weeks, 14.3 to follow

Is FSD 14 out?

Yes, it released last night around midnight.

14.1 widely released? I haven’t seen any proof of it.

These statements don’t say anything

it’s all over my feed

Yeah “wide” seems to mean beyond Tesla employees, so far just seems like influencers. Maybe regular folks will get it in the coming days

It seems like influencers for now

This is only for HW4, right? When will HW3 get any of this?

Cries in HW3 and in Europe

I wonder if FSD 14 is starting to use the front bumper camera (The Model 3 being the only one without it in their current lineup in North America)

Meanwhile in Europe running 2018 Autopilot software on brand new HW4 cars... 😭

Does this mean it will no longer randomly run a red light or go in the wrong lane into oncoming traffic?

It’ll come whenever Tesla gives us the free hardware upgrade as promised. Since Tesla doesn’t want to waste money, they’re waiting to be absolutely sure AI4 is enough to achieve unsupervised FSD before spending a lot of money to upgrade everyone’s hardware

Answer: Probably never We are stuck on 12.x while HW4 got 13 and now 14. I'm normally not one to complain about newer cars getting upgrades, but after dropping 8k on FSD, it's getting hard to ignore how far behind these cars are now becoming compared to HW4 despite having paid for the same outcome.

Has anyone asked him about HW3

Free trial?

In tesla lingo, it’s coming soon

HW3 in NZ is harder as HW4 cars have it and HW3 doesn't. Paid outright 6 years ago, still only have navigate on autopilot although I've got to say the new automatic parking is a revelation compared with the old. They're promising we'll get FSD supervised on HW3 soon. I won't be buying a new car just for FSD though, nothing wrong with the current one.

I bet you 14.4 will release then 14.5 and 14.6 after that. Bet

Bro, where you get this privileged info from!?

You mean do better then waymo since version 9 or so? Probably!

My boy Melon Busk told me

It will be HW5.

Soon HW5 will come out and everyone on HW4 will be in the same boat.

Me finding out my New-To-Me 22MYP doesn't get it... https://media1.tenor.com/m/kAyk94-sM5wAAAAd/marriage-story-scarlett-johansson.gif

Not available in the United Kingdom. Yeah so great owning a tesla isn't it /s

Where can I sign up for the class action lawsuit to get my free HW4 upgrade... 12 on HW3 is terrible, can't even maintain set speed on the highway like my radar did before they disabled it many years ago.

I will be shocked if I actually get HW4/5 upgrade on my 2021 M3. Would love it, but doubtful.

He was asked. To which he replied. “Didn’t they get HW4 retrofit?!”

~~It will be HW3~~ ~~It will be HW3.5~~ ~~It will be HW4~~ It will be HW5?

Probably never they said on investor calls they want to “solve” unsupervised FSD first before worrying about what to do with HW3. This buys them as much time as they want since you can’t truly solve unsupervised FSD as there will always be edge cases. They are hoping HW3 cars go away over time either by trade ins or other means like car accidents. The less HW3 cars available the less they need to upgrade. This is why you can no longer buy a used HW3 that comes with FSD anymore on their website. They are removing it from trade ins that they receive so that they’re not legally obligated to upgrade the hardware for free in the future. Edit: This doesn’t mean you can’t use FSD on a preowned Tesla of course it just means you will have to subscribe to the monthly FSD package. However if Tesla offers hardware upgrades in the future for FSD you will have to pay for those upgrades.

That’s why big governments suck. They wanted to control every bit of your life in the name of your good.

If anything, maybe they’ll make AI5 components backwards compatible with HW3/HW4. I have low hopes, but that’s just what I think they’d do instead of using resources to modify existing HW4 hardware when 5 is on the horizon

You shouldn’t expect hw3 to get it. The focus should be on improvements for the latest hw. If you get stuff down the line, that’s icing.

By that definition humans haven’t solved driving by themselves because there are always edge cases.

It is per Dirty Tesla’s videos

Hasn’t heard of anyone this has happened to.

Damn. 1yr in and my 2025 Model 3 is "obsolete" lmao

For other features, sure. Icing on the cake… FSD was sold with a lot of promises. When people were paying on the order of $12-15k based on those promises, there’s a lot more expectation than icing on the cake.

Uk! Wake up! Let’s back FULL FAT FSD! let’s not wait for chinas LiDar to just fail with mass interference when all cars have it on the road 👀

Less often than a human

The priority right now is HW4. Once they get the kinks worked out they’ll optimize what they can to bring to HW3. I’m hoping for 1 more big update and then hopefully they half the subscription/cost of FSD for HW3 since it won’t support unsupervised.

But still too often needing a human to intervene...

Have a look at your government.

Very doubtful of that. It's not the fault of the EU FSD didn't launch yet – it's Tesla's choice to not yet adapt FSD to the rules

How much than a human should it be?

I am all for deregulation.

Well Elon did call it full self driving....not failed student driving......

The abundance of rules indicates suffering from big government syndrome.

So if it can pass a 30 min driving test it's good enough?

If you’re American and saying this l o l

if the unece rules say you cant turn the wheel fast on L2, then that's that. No FSD. Aside from that, sometimes governments enact regulations which have a chilling effect on companies willingness to engage. So you the customer are left without a product.

We will upgrade cars based on the AI HW :D

Could be a good gamble to buy a cheap older version if finally they do upgrade to hw4/5 !

Totally agree. If Tesla does not figure out something, I will stop subscribing to FSD on my HW3 Model S. They need to figure it out or will lose a revenue stream.

Why haven’t you tried to get refunded under consumer guarantee act yet? Even if it does launch paying $160/month is cheaper

I only paid $6000 for FSD which is about half what it costs now and I should also get the hardware upgrade necessary. What I paid is what navigate on autopilot would cost now anyway so I'm not really missing out so I'm just going to play the waiting game. Tesla did call me offering a switch and carrying FSD to the new car but I really don't see any features on the new models that I desperately need.

Look at what happened to the EU in AI industry due to ridiculous overregulation, not just FSD. I am not going to laugh if I were a European.

EAP was also over priced, and they’ve actually removed the upgrade to that now anyway.  If you get a refund do $6000 that’s work over 3 years @ 160/pm. I wouldn’t hold my breath for the hardware upgrade

I get your sentiment but have a fully opposite opinion. I am totally fine with letting others beta test it until it is ready and universally reliable. Big proponent of safety regulations here

Each to their own, I wouldn't downgrade from EAP to Autopilot because I would seriously miss the features that comes with so a refund at this point wouldn't make sense. I'm interested to see what HW3 can do with FSD, they just need to build the model. I don't need the money now but if it becomes clear they won't do the hardware upgrade then I'll reconsider and probably jump ship entirely from Tesla to something else.

It is a good thing that autopilots are only allowed if they are proven to be safe.

Is cybertruck getting any of these updates?

Too bad many people haven't been so qualified.

Does Tesla offer to upgrade the cameras and or processor ?

Yes. Soon.

Do we know if it's even all hw4? Seen some showing this has started using the bumper camera.

So is this version working on those without the bumper cam?

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Yup https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/1975558811932107028?s=46&t=ZIqLVMN0nyoMPz73t-5sIw

Finally

im on HW4 and have not received 14

I dont see it yet

Lol Tesla slowly boiling all these HW3 frogs

Icing that people paid real money for…

To me it says that he doesn’t have confidence in the product.

Rollout phases: Employees, influencers, then commoners. Currently at influencer rollout stage.

Honestly, I don't think so. I'm on hw3 but I got a loaner on hw4 recently and it was darn near perfect.

If you bought it fsd outright then eventually you’ll get upgrades. If you didn’t, then no, you didn’t pay money for it

Fsd drives better than most humans, sorry, try again

The average car ownership time is under 6 years… so how long is it acceptable to pay for a product capability and not get it for you? It’s clear Tesla are just hoping everyone sells or trades in the cars and they never have to deliver what they originally sold by playing out the clock.

It can. You just have to downgrade to autopilot instead of FSD in the settings

There is no ruleset which FSD can be adapted to, that‘s the entire issue. The regulation has been in work for years, and the regulators themselves don‘t even plan for it to be ready before 2027.

I upgraded my hw2.5 to hw3 for $1k at a service center, not sure what exactly was upgraded tho

Well that’s not true, you can still buy 2018 model 3s from inventory

WHAT ABOUT EUROPE?!

Any idea what HW is on a 2022 MY with a Ryzen processor ? Are the benefits only if you have FSD?

To my understanding hw4 didn’t release until late 2023/early 2024, you should be able to check in the settings, same place you’d see what infotainment chip you’re running (AMD Ryzen in your case). I upgraded because I couldn’t even get FSD, the main HW difference from 3 to 4 is better cameras with a red tint (to block light occlusions), and I believe a faster FSD computer

What about excessive regulations slowing innovation and your economy.

like in the entire Federal Branch side January? 😂

It’s one reason I could never get myself to pay 8k for FSD. It’s great tech, I use it a lot, but AI moves so fast that the hardware will get old quickly.

At least we don’t have HW3 regrets. Also Grok is missing. The EU is afraid it spies on us

Wait a minute.. a burgerboy is complaining about our economy? lmao

Do you cry about your fhd tv not being updated to 4k? It’s older tech. Tesla already does far more for older tech than pretty much anyone else.

Vision is still terrible, at least at speeds above 70 mph.

You can buy a used 2018 M3 from Tesla. It just won’t come with FSD even if the original owner bought FSD for it. If you want to use FSD you have to subscribe to the monthly FSD package.

>Also Grok is missing Another win in my book 🤣

On HW4 and did not get v13. Development takes time. I’m certain HW3 won’t be left behind, especially if you bought FSD outright.

Zero love for HW3 😐

I paid $5k for FSD back in 2017. Since I upgrade cars every 3-4 years, I don't think it's worth it to drop $8k on FSD anymore. $99 a month is much better in that scenario.

Just left the bullshit early access program because it doesn’t work. Never got anything early. Super annoying.

No

We had zero deaths caused by the autopilot/fsd in Europe. I take safety over fast innovation every day

That's true for the average driver. I doubt that it will drive better than someone who doesn't drink and drive, doesn't speed and rests regularly. I'm all for getting humans off the driver seat but Tesla still has a lot of work to do

Just one more year (said every year since 201X)

No one promised a 4k Upgrade to my TV 😂 That's a straw man argument!

I wouldn’t call that out personally. If 99.99% of us don’t have it. That is not rolling out.

There’s people with 3 day old model 3s

That hurts even more

And Tesla didn’t promise lifetime support for hw3. If you purchased it outright, they just recently promised to eventually upgrade you. Should have read the terms and conditions my friend. That’s not an argument, that’s just factual

They did promise a promising FSD "next year"™ and that you get it "real soon"™ if you buy it outright The HW3 owners aren't angry that HW3 doesn't get it but that they don't get the newest FSD version even though they paid 9k/12k

Isn't FSD transferrable to a new car?

Only when they have the promotion for it.

Nope, they didn’t promise it. Only promised if you buy it that you’ll get it eventually. Should have read the terms and conditions before signing.

That’s amazing. Quick question for everyone, is the new FSD v14 available on ryzen chip teslas? I think I have HW3

We’re increasing version numbers instead of going backwards like you’d expect…

Are you gonna let me touch the screen without bothering me or not.

And you would be correct, humans haven’t solved driving by themselves. I mean do you look the news at all lol

I remember when I paid full price for the promise of such software…

You meant like Waymo? No Tesla won’t do that. https://www.reddit.com/r/waymo/s/eYlBjVzmVi

My point exactly. So if we’re okay with humans driving around then we shouldn’t be crying about fsd having edge cases.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1mpii6y/fsd_ran_a_red_light/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1l62yn4/tesla_fsd_1328_running_red_light/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1nc7lqm/whats_up_with_fsd_and_running_red_light/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1nrahn9/fsd_tried_to_dangerously_run_a_red_light_into/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1ms5mq9/fsd_pulls_out_on_red_light_into_intersection/

How many drivers run reds on a daily basis?

I still use autopilot daily and i would probably not buy any car without it but blindly trusting fsd because the name implies it can fully drive itself is tricky. Amazing how people defend it when it fails....if there was a fully automated medicine prescription dispenser and you "accidentally" got the wrong meds that could have killed you or some other issue you would probably sue the hell out of them.... Or would you really say no problem...do you know how many people make the same mistake on a daily basis?

Because 99.99% of us aren’t influencers or employees

Okay cool. Now explain to me how it’s released when 99.99% of us don’t have it.

This isn’t a playstation 2 game. Software gets released and rolls out in waves to make sure mass adoption is successful. No reason to get big mad because safety is more important than adoption.

Where am I mad? Saying it’s released is wrong. It’s not. I literally work in software and know how rollouts work. This isn’t a rollout. It went out to like 2000 people and stopped. I have no idea what you’re defending. Please explain to me how 99.99 % of us dont have it and it’s also simultaneously released.

You’re not wrong. But that technically counts as released for Tesla. Even when robotaxi was “released”, it went out to a very very small group on the “release” day.

HW4 has inputs for both a RADAR and a bumper camera. My vehicle did not come with either one, and there will probably not be a retrofit. That said, if I can get level 3 on the highway, it would meet my highest expectations from when I purchased the car.

My FSD was 12k HW3

Model 3 2025 us 5 months old still no v14...

It’s only rolled out to early access users so far

Still? Elon keeps saying next week for 3 weeks now.

v14 only launched 9 days ago