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Tesla: "Model 3 and Model Y battery packs retain 85% of their capacity on average after 200K miles of driving. We also offer an 8 years or 120,000 miles battery warranty, whichever

twinbee | 2025-09-19 21:57 | 744 views

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AlexKavli 2025-09-19 22:01

To be completely fair: Its the batteries that make it to 200k. I had to trade up my 2021 awd model 3 at 130k because the battery died. The service center said it is more common than not that batteries fail before any real degradation happens.

Roboculon 2025-09-19 22:07

Must be nice! My 2019 model 3 is already down to 80%, at 75k miles.

Tacticoner 2025-09-19 22:08

89% two weeks ago on my 2021 MYLR with 40.5k miles

Capable-Reach7509 2025-09-19 22:08

I’m down from 303 to 266 in my 2023 MYP after 34k. Was told this was normal lol At 80% I’m getting 213 mi of range in the PNW summer. Estimator is not far off. In the winter I get close to 170mi of range at 80% SOC. Based off my vehicle it’s at a 11% degradation in 2 years and 34k miles. Have done all the nuance battery metrics in service mode etc. I charge 85% at home on the gen 3 wall charger and 15% super chargers monthly. My car is usually at 10% when I start charging or close to 13 miles depending on the week.

beestockstuff 2025-09-19 22:10

84% at 57,000 miles on my 2022

meepstone 2025-09-19 22:10

If you have smaller charge cycles like 40-60% it'll degrade less. Going down to line 20, charging up to 90% each time degrades or faster. Also, the lower the average state of charge the lower it degrades. So keeping it around 50% for city driving in average will degrade less then keeping it at 80% on average state of charge

jaqueh 2025-09-19 22:13

why such a short warranty then?

mattmccord 2025-09-19 22:13

My S85D is at 240k and has between 80 and 85% of original range

Heidenreich12 2025-09-19 22:13

Did you actually run the test or are you basing it on displayed range? They will update the displayed range inline with how you drive. So if you drive aggressively, it will always show less.

jaqueh 2025-09-19 22:14

yep my battery failed but was at 92% degradation at 55k miles

gunner_3 2025-09-19 22:19

I'm down to 84% after 75k miles.

SpicyWongTong 2025-09-19 22:19

I’m guessing they didn’t have the confidence when they set the warranty and/or the battery management software improved afterwards?

KforKaspur 2025-09-19 22:22

2022 Model 3 with 92% capacity after battery test with 58k miles

N2_Deox 2025-09-19 22:22

They guarantee 70% under warranty. Keep tabs on it.

Snakend 2025-09-19 22:22

Most of the degradation happens in the first 2 years. and then it tapers off after that. Also they are talking about current batteries, the LifePo batteries they use in the new cars.

surewhynot47 2025-09-19 22:22

87% at 120k miles, 2020 Model 3

Shock188 2025-09-19 22:23

75% at 160k miles, 2019 M3 standard

Snoo93079 2025-09-19 22:25

Which warranty are you referring to?

Holyspider 2025-09-19 22:25

~me looking at my 2023 model y on its 3rd battery after 32k miles ~ Edit: I guess people don’t believe me https://imgur.com/a/RUNQAlB

antryoo 2025-09-19 22:27

The displayed range has nothing to do with driving style It’s calculated epa wh/mile rating and the bms’s value of battery capacity The displayed range is decent for estimating what your batteries capacity is at. The actual battery health test is what Tesla uses for warranty/diagnostic purposes

Themagicdick 2025-09-19 22:28

I’m at 78% at 100k in my 2019 model 3 sr+. It’s not bad but not great. I had a charger at home so rarely had it 100% unless I needed it for the next day and rarely needed super charges.

antryoo 2025-09-19 22:29

My 2021 MY dual motor needed a replacement battery at 39k miles. The replacement after 33k or so miles it’s now at ~90%

jaqueh 2025-09-19 22:29

The warranty in this very post

Themagicdick 2025-09-19 22:29

That’s pretty good I’m at 78% at 100k. Were you extra gentle on it?

Themagicdick 2025-09-19 22:30

Bruh how

orcawhales 2025-09-19 22:30

how do you find out your capacity?

RollSomeCoal 2025-09-19 22:33

My 2021 S Lr has only 82% left at 60k miles... I sad

Roboculon 2025-09-19 22:34

Feels like it will be close, but unlikely to get there before 100k. They say it plateaus.

Roboculon 2025-09-19 22:35

Not ideal then, that I have an SR that started out at only 220 range new, and a long commute, so I use more % per day than most.

1188339 2025-09-19 22:36

Obviously a shit post

EljayDude 2025-09-19 22:36

I think it's what California requires as a minimum and when they first started offering it they don't have the real world data they have now. They could probably extend it without it costing them much but unless there's market pressure there's probably no reason to.

Box-o-bees 2025-09-19 22:38

You might want to look at what the minimum is for warranty. I can't remember what it is, but you might qualify. Edit: I just saw down the thread someone said they guarantee 70%. I'd keep a close eye on it. Its possible you'll hit it before your warranty is up.

androvsky8bit 2025-09-19 22:38

I keep seeing people say this. First reference I found, I doubt the others are different. "The driving range displayed in Model Y is an estimate of the remaining battery energy based on EPA-rated consumption. It may not account for your personal driving patterns or external conditions." https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_ae/GUID-4AC32116-979A-4146-A935-F41F8551AFE6.html

RollSomeCoal 2025-09-19 22:39

70

Semper_faith 2025-09-19 22:41

I have 42k miles, same year, except it's a M3LR, I have 88%

Aggravating-Gift-740 2025-09-19 22:41

2022 MYLR 59,000 miles, 89% battery capacity.

alphatangolima 2025-09-19 22:46

21k miles on my 2024 MYLR and the test showed 88% yesterday

[deleted] 2025-09-19 22:48

I’m at 91% capacity of original at 35k miles 24MYP. Not too confident about the range long term imo

MGN-Haircutman 2025-09-19 22:53

82% on 2021 MYLR at 149k miles

ebkbk 2025-09-19 23:02

Then why are all the 2021s dying? My ‘19 performance is at 88% at 50k but we lost a 2021 Y at 60k

Snoo93079 2025-09-19 23:07

8 years and 120,000 miles isn't short though

Capable-Reach7509 2025-09-19 23:10

I’ve ran the app test from phone. I’ve ran the car down per Tesla to single digits. I’ve ran service mode battery diagnosis. Dropped the car off at Tesla and they said 10% range loss is normal for the first couple of years. I have a 2019 for six years and it’s been at 10% loss since the first 6 months and never gone down since. Both in actual miles driven and the estimation tool in the car quite spot on. Our ‘24 cybertruck gets used less but is also spot on with range estimation. I know but when I purchased this car it was EPA rated at 303 miles. Now the EPA estimates the same car at 272 miles of range new. Older owners are told it’s 10% degradation or were we sold an inflated number of range and the EPA caught on later?

_AntiZ 2025-09-19 23:11

86% at 135k km on ‘22 mylr, tested end of July..

sjsharks323 2025-09-19 23:14

Laughs in a 2018 Model 3 with 83% battery capacity as of last April (via battery test) with only about 40k miles on it. Like 98% home charge on a wall connector at 18a typically to 90% SOC before Tesla recommended charging to 80% SOC, from then, charge to 80% SOC.

reddituser4049 2025-09-19 23:16

Compared to 200k?

reddituser4049 2025-09-19 23:17

All under warranty

jaqueh 2025-09-19 23:19

vinfast; mg; mercedes; rivian have better warranties

Snakend 2025-09-19 23:22

different batteries.

Holyspider 2025-09-19 23:22

True

saabstory88 2025-09-19 23:23

It's kind of sad that the 2170 packs aren't holding up as well as the old 18650 packs. We see classic S/X in the shop routinely with better retention especially on the 100kwh packs. Heck, my personal 100D with \~180k on it is like 91% retention. We see lots of 3's that are a lot worse. We suspect the larger cell diameter with the same cooling strategy leads to faster degredation from supercharging.

Holyspider 2025-09-19 23:25

You ready to feel stupid? https://imgur.com/a/RUNQAlB

khrizp 2025-09-19 23:28

70% for every model or higher for old model x?

whatthedrunk 2025-09-19 23:33

I'm at 87.5% after 2 years and 25k

ensoniq2k 2025-09-19 23:33

Waiting till you have 10% charge left isn't that good for the battery though. Keeping it between 40% and 80% is commonly agreed as a good range.

captain_charbosa 2025-09-19 23:33

How do you check the percentage?

[deleted] 2025-09-19 23:36

84% at 90k miles on my 2018 M3.

Snoo93079 2025-09-19 23:42

I don't think you guys know how warranties work. Lol The average lifespan of a part should be much longer than the warranty.

leviathan3k 2025-09-19 23:43

I'm at 75% with a 2018 and 120k miles. It's.. not great, but certainly still usable.

Dragunspecter 2025-09-19 23:45

Exactly, the warranty represents a failed part that should be a fairly uncommon occurrence. The average will outlast the warranty by a fair margin.

Luther_Burbank 2025-09-19 23:45

My 2021 MY is at 90k and 77% battery health

Snoo93079 2025-09-19 23:45

It's not a charity. Reason Hyundai and Kia had 100,000 mile warranties when nobody else did was because they needed more selling points and they needed to calm customers concerns about what's perceived as less reliable cars

GeophMan 2025-09-19 23:46

79% 2022 M3LR 90k miles

[deleted] 2025-09-19 23:49

He did it to update the range. And no running it down to 10% isn’t going to hurt the battery or it wouldn’t plan trips leaving that much left before you supercharge again.

biggcstylez 2025-09-19 23:50

My 2021 model 3 performance has 83% left at 55k miles

VeryRealHuman23 2025-09-19 23:50

86%, 2020 model y with 52k

ca2mt 2025-09-19 23:50

83% at 67k on my 22.

hgeyer99 2025-09-19 23:56

Doubt

Firereign 2025-09-19 23:58

I think a lot of it is explained by battery chemistry. Many of the 3s and Ys suffering bad degradation are running newer Panasonic NCA packs which really don't seem to hold up well. These are often the ones you see in the mid-80% region after just 2 years. On the flipside, the LG NCM and NCMA packs seem to hold up much better. Anecdotally, my 2021 LR with the 75kWh LG pack was at about 93% of original usable capacity after 3.5 years, 36k miles when I changed cars. My 2024 P with the 79kWh LG pack is still showing *100%* of its original usable capacity after 8 months and 7k miles, although it's no doubt lost some of its buffer. The LG packs are also using 2170 cells, so I don't think it's an issue related to cooling and supercharging.

saabstory88 2025-09-20 00:04

That's very interesting. Are there any external markings on the pack to be able to tell the difference? Is it one to one with part numbers or did they mix them? I'd love to be able to provide the best packs for my customers

waveradar 2025-09-20 00:08

89% on my 2023 with 25k

adoboguy 2025-09-20 00:10

I had 83% on my 2019 M3SR+ with 49K miles. Mainly home charged. Always kept the battery between 25% and 80%.

RoastMostToast 2025-09-20 00:20

I believe you, but how is that even possible? Is there some external factors ruining your batteries?! Or do you just have some of the worst luck in the world???

GuildCalamitousNtent 2025-09-20 00:22

85% here on 76k miles. But I lost like 10 miles of range between March and June of this year. So I can’t say I’m super optimistic of things holding well.

beestockstuff 2025-09-20 00:23

Sheesh these 2022’s are on a rough curve

beestockstuff 2025-09-20 00:23

Yep 2022’s are on a rough curve!

TingGreaterThanOC 2025-09-20 00:24

I enjoy doing jigsaw puzzles.

Capable-Reach7509 2025-09-20 00:31

Drive 100 miles a day if she has 213 miles at 80 SOC now vs 242 at 80% when new I’m not stopping during my commute to charge….

rdrcrmatt 2025-09-20 00:35

2016 MS P90DL, I’m at 195k miles, 80-85% of original capacity. Will probably put a 100 pack in sometime in the next 2-3 years.

Holyspider 2025-09-20 00:45

Tesla just says that happens sometimes. I looked into getting a lemon claim but I just missed out on being qualified

noobskillet3737 2025-09-20 00:46

2019 Model 3 performance here. Almost 49k miles. Battery life is nowhere near what it used to be. Full charge gives me roughly 250 miles. It was 300+ish when I got it. I can't remember exactly 😞

Pavores 2025-09-20 00:52

It's a bathtub curve, my 2018 took a hard hit in the first 10k and it's been a lot less since.

Jstaff34 2025-09-20 01:04

About the same. 84% at 48k, 2021 MY standard range.

PickleManAKASolenya 2025-09-20 01:13

84% at 120,000 on my 2019 Model 3 LR RWD.

MisterBumpingston 2025-09-20 01:13

In Australia they have the lowest warranty where larger brands offer the same time length or with an additional year on basic warranty or unlimited distance driven. All the Chinese brands like BYD, MG, Deepal, Xpeng… offer up to 10 years on battery and drive train and around 6 years on basic warranty. To be fair all have scheduled servicing. Established brands like Kia and Toyota are are their usual prices, whilst the Chinese brands are lower.

AmbitiousFunction911 2025-09-20 01:18

I think the failure rate is significantly higher than anyone realizes. I don’t think they would ever extend it unless forced to do so.

HeyBrandons 2025-09-20 01:22

Metrics on battery degradation is one thing but battery failure is the real issue

Salty_Leather42 2025-09-20 01:40

Odd , I’m closer to 75% after 100k miles.     Maybe older S/X had better packs ?

Salty_Leather42 2025-09-20 01:43

Great, looking forward to a  200k mile/20yr warranty on my next Tesla  😀

Salty_Leather42 2025-09-20 01:45

Yeah , that’s a bad year. A bit odd that we’re talking about 20k $ battery packs like we would bottles of wine .

Salty_Leather42 2025-09-20 01:50

Aren’t they replaced with remanufactured  packs that have a one year warranty though ? That’s a bit rough on a 2 yr old car. Imagine being on the 3rd transmission 2 years into ownership …

Holyspider 2025-09-20 02:11

You keep your original warranty

gmatocha 2025-09-20 02:23

81% after 94k miles 2018 LRM3

EVMad 2025-09-20 02:25

It was definitely inflated range estimates. My 2019 P3D originally showed 499km at 147Wh/km typical. This equates to 73,353kWh usable in the new pack. In the first year of ownership 100% range dropped suddenly to 480km and then down to 454km but each time the typical value also changed with software updates, first to 152Wh/km and then 156Wh/km which I attribute to Tesla setting a more realistic range for my P3D on 20" wheels. Based on the original range it would appear my car has lost 10% over 105,000km but based on the typical value increasing it's actually more like 4%. Real world range has barely changed at all. I leave my battery display on % and trust the range estimates from the navigation route planner.

Salty_Leather42 2025-09-20 02:32

Much better than after warranty ends then . At least there’s that. I still get weary of that one year when warranty is over though .🤞

disergi0 2025-09-20 02:33

M3LR 2019 107k 79%

disergi0 2025-09-20 02:34

battery warranty until 120k so there is a chance.

sherlocknoir 2025-09-20 02:34

80% at 94K miles 2021 MYSR RWD

shortstop803 2025-09-20 02:45

The thing with batteries is that actual mileage likely has little impact on lifespan. It’s almost entirely charging habits and time that negatively impact the battery.

Resident_Growth 2025-09-20 03:30

This is not good lol. Look at other manufacturers.

FSUxNOLES101 2025-09-20 03:34

This may be a dumb question but how do find the percentage?

junior4l1 2025-09-20 03:37

Depending on your car, but place it in service mode and go to the battery settings to run a capacity test

FlugMe 2025-09-20 03:43

91.4% 2021 m3 sr+ after 64k kms. (40k miles)

emiles93 2025-09-20 03:45

whatever your miles is at after a full charge/calibration you can divide that by what it's stated range was at purchase. 2023 M3 RWD, 47k miles. i charge to 255 miles of 272 stated range. 255/272= 93.8% capacity

Roboculon 2025-09-20 04:00

Mine is 100k. Says it right in the app.

joeybab3 2025-09-20 04:25

Charge it to 100% and divide that by the original range when new

ahpathy 2025-09-20 04:32

Is it a Base or SR?

Dracanherz 2025-09-20 04:35

Crazy, my 2021 Y is at 86% with 75k miles

apostolic3 2025-09-20 05:14

81% on my 2018 Model 3 AWD with 80k miles.

xXdiaboxXx 2025-09-20 05:28

There is a test you can run in service mode that does an accurate test.

wiebsel1991 2025-09-20 05:44

97% on 28k. Model 3 LFP 2023

voidlol 2025-09-20 05:46

My 2022 Model 3 SR+ has done 95k km (59k miles) and is at 94,5% of original capacity (414km/438km).

singletWarrior 2025-09-20 06:06

since most trips are short, large capacity battery pack go through less cycles given equal distance travelled vs smaller battery pack so it's not surprisingly i think?

PocketShock 2025-09-20 06:15

My 2021 M3P battery died at 40k

PocketShock 2025-09-20 06:16

$13K for my replacement from Tesla with a 4 year 50k warranty.

NotYourDad_Miss 2025-09-20 06:50

Lfp battery? If it is, then it is normal.

Salty_Leather42 2025-09-20 06:51

That’s great , I wonder why the different quotes . A few months back I was told 14k or so remanufactured (1 yr warranty) and 19k new at a local service center. Was this recent ?

Individual_Ad_5465 2025-09-20 07:04

Tesla lying again.

WillingLearner1 2025-09-20 07:19

You think 8 years is short? Really?

tijger897 2025-09-20 07:28

2019 M3 LR at 87% at 100k miles.

cheapdvds 2025-09-20 07:29

Personally, I would get third party warranty before the battery warranty expires or trade it in for another car if I already replaced the battery under warranty. Those aren't very trust worthy.

cheapdvds 2025-09-20 07:32

I much prefer to see them post battery failure rate rather than retention.

Zexy-Mastermind 2025-09-20 07:54

I thought all teslas use the same battery technology?

NotYourDad_Miss 2025-09-20 07:54

Nope. Depends on the model and range.

Tupcek 2025-09-20 07:59

Model 3 has lower power consumption, so equal distance traveled is less kWh, so the number of cycles is not that different, but yes, S/X should have slightly lower degradation. But looking at this thread, difference seems to be day and night, which can’t be explained by larger battery capacity - 180k miles S/X are at the same range as 60k miles 3/Y?

PotatoesAndChill 2025-09-20 09:22

My 2023 M3LR lost 13% capacity in the first year alone

BrooklynzKilla 2025-09-20 11:13

My 22 M3P at 22k miles is already at 85 %. I call bs or I got extremely unlucky

Correct-Floor3969 2025-09-20 11:29

I charge to max 60 % when it is around 40,%. I charge from my own pv SunPower free during day time in Spain. i Charge at the lowest speed possible so the house continues to function . The result is i charge for free and the stress on the car is at its lowest. MYp but my case is only interesting if you work from home or when retired . Free charging at some supermercados are a nice bonus to include on a longer trip.

tmblweed85 2025-09-20 12:15

Really? My 2019 M3 only has 43K miles and has lost 55 miles of range, I went to the service center where I was told that I don't meet the criteria to warrant a fix or battery replacement even though I am still years before my warranty expires. I made an appt since I went without one just to be told, this week, the same thing again via the app. I need the range so I am looking for something else that it is not a Tesla. Perhaps, a hybrid this time. The worst part is that I have been a Tesla advocate since I purchased it, I have defended Tesla from bs on forums and chats when warranted, and this is what I get. Live and learn I guess. In addition, one of my cousins was looking to get one but after hearing what happened to me with this issue she bought a Lexus hybrid and is very happy with it and the mileage she gets.

TheCourierMojave 2025-09-20 12:19

How do you drive so little?

Muffinateher 2025-09-20 12:30

2022 Model 3 Dual Motor Long Range, 50,000 miles 93.2%

[deleted] 2025-09-20 12:34

80% model 3 awd 2019 130.000 km

legolasxvi 2025-09-20 12:52

'21 M3P - 79% @ 70k. The only supercharging I do is 1 road trip per year that's about 1200 miles each way. Charge to 80% daily on a home wall connector (240v @ 48A). I'm obviously well under the average.

PhilosophyCorrect279 2025-09-20 12:57

How do you tell who manufactured the pack? I don't remember seeing it anywhere on the info the car gives you

6spdvtec 2025-09-20 13:52

84%, 2018 Model 3 RWD with 118k miles

mizzikee 2025-09-20 14:44

My 21’ model Y LR had its pack replaced at ~50k miles. Hopefully this one lasts a little longer…

Greedy-Thought6188 2025-09-20 14:47

This is cool and everything but our batteries are supposed to outlast our vehicles isn't the flex they think it is. If Honda or Toyota has their act together they'd have a great our vehicles are designed to outlast our batteries campaign.

mizzikee 2025-09-20 14:49

I replied to another comment already but my 21’ model Y LR had to have its pack replaced the week before a road trip.. Edit: -50k miles it has to be replaced

zikronix 2025-09-20 15:26

Mine died twice in 80k miles. Got a brand new one on the second replacement

Firereign 2025-09-20 15:41

I believe there's a way to do so based on the build codes associated with your car. Depending on locale, you might be able to find these codes on registration documents. There also used to be a way to query the API to get them, but I don't know if it still works. With that said, for *most* model years, it's easy to infer which battery was used. Broadly speaking: * Anything (base/Standard trim included) up until late 2020 used earlier Panasonic NCA cells. * From around Q2 2022, any LR/P built in Fremont used newer Panasonic NCA cells, and any LR/P built in Shanghai used newer LG NCMA cells. * Shanghai used a variety of packs in between those dates. A Perf *probably* got a Panasonic NCA pack, but LRs might have received Panasonic *or* LG. * The standard/base car broadly used LFP from Q2 2021 for Shanghai, and Q4 2021 for Fremont (up until Tesla stopped producing/selling cars with LFP in the US, because only cars with Panasonic batteries were eligible for full tax credits).

elephantskilledme 2025-09-20 15:44

That’s incorrect. I have a 2019 SR+3 model 3 at 77% with 123k

vwite 2025-09-20 15:54

81% after 68,000 miles here on my 2022

PhilosophyCorrect279 2025-09-20 15:56

Ok, ill have to look around. But essentially it's likely that our 2025 LRM3, built in California would have Panasonic then?

Humboldtcosmiccowboy 2025-09-20 16:01

My Cybertruck is about 300 miles under 20 thousand miles. I charge to 100 percent due to the lousy range with a loaded truck for work. Elon never tells the truth 550 is what he said it would come with. The Cybertruck also takes twice as long as my model 3 to charge. All charging mostly at home at 48 amps. Humboldt county hill driving. Many a day I come home with 35 miles left. The truck when used as a truck has lousy range. We shall see how long these 48 volt cells last.

AltoidStrong 2025-09-20 16:06

88% - 2019 m3lr with 140k miles.

shaggy99 2025-09-20 16:19

If you're quoting the amount of MILES lost, you probably haven't done a battery health check, which will tell you the % of capacity retained. Use %, miles will tell you nothing, except how hard you are driving.

ptj66 2025-09-20 16:20

Any data on the LFP batteries Tesla uses?

tmblweed85 2025-09-20 16:46

The battery health check has been done by Tesla and as it is fine according to them. My point is that at a full charge I can no longer get the 310 miles it used to get but only 255. I need those extra 55 so that I have to do less stops. Tesla noted that use of Super Charger, frequency of charging, the use of cabin overheat protection, the heat, the moon, the skies and everything in between was the culprit. I paid extra for those extra miles I no longer have.

Special-Bite 2025-09-20 17:02

Mine lasted 4 years, 6 months and 46,000 miles on my 2021 MYP. At least there’s a warranty I guess.

shaggy99 2025-09-20 17:06

Miles alone is of no use for diagnosing things. Mileage estimates are often called "Guessomters" and depend, among other things, on your driving style, speed, acceleration, tire pressures, temperature, wind speed and direction, altitude change. Are you on the stock/original tires? Was this a sudden change?

istealpixels 2025-09-20 18:49

Lfp is supposed to be better at not degrading right?

KristianArafat 2025-09-20 19:25

How do you determine which pack you have? I have a 2022 MYP

n8foto 2025-09-20 19:30

88%, 115K miles, 2018 LR RWD

NateHalesBadDisguise 2025-09-20 19:46

109000k on my 21 M3. 75% battery health last check….

Ourcheeseboat 2025-09-20 20:16

My 2023 model 3 LR is 95%, just crossed 11000 miles.

Present-Ad-9598 2025-09-20 20:27

Better at holding higher charges without degradation, you can regularly charge LFP to 100% without issue

surewhynot47 2025-09-20 21:21

Pretty much, charge to 80% daily, and a whole lot of highway driving

singletWarrior 2025-09-20 22:58

True.. I didn’t realise efficiency got that much better over time perhaps s/x owners are typically new adopters and took care of their batteries better… I think it’d be good to break out nmc and lfp battery as nmc are more reliably made than lfp for sure

istealpixels 2025-09-20 23:29

Yeah that is one of the reasons i was confused he said that degradation was normal for lfp

Roboculon 2025-09-20 23:46

It was called SR, back in the days when there was an “SR+” option I didn’t get. It’s the lowest range Tesla ever sold, I think. 220 originally, and now it charges to like 179.

ahpathy 2025-09-20 23:47

That’s why then. Only the Performance and Long Ranges had the extended warranty to 120K.

InvestigatorOk1895 2025-09-21 00:43

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lazyguyoncouch 2025-09-21 02:00

Lfp drops quickly when new but will hold that 80%+ capacity for a lot longer vs other capacity types.

CubesTheGamer 2025-09-21 04:05

It’s kind of crazy but I looked at the Tessie app, and when I was using an L2 charger consistently my degradation was low and consistent. Then when I moved I had to use L1 for almost a year and the statistics got really variable and indicated much lower, even though I would charge to 100% to calibrate. It would report max capacity as 55kWh-56kWh. Now that I have L2 again it’s back to being consistent AND back to indicating less degradation, indicating 58kWh.

lordpuddingcup 2025-09-21 04:59

It’s a hard drop down to around 85 and then is basically flat

PocketShock 2025-09-21 05:18

Yes, just picked it up Thursday

ebkbk 2025-09-21 05:19

Thy told me it would be 23k for a ‘21 y pack

InglebrapHumperdink 2025-09-21 05:30

85% at 55k on my 2021 Y.

Tupcek 2025-09-21 05:34

what’s interesting that on paper, one of the advantages of LFP should be double the cycles of NMC

Klownicle 2025-09-21 06:55

2018 LR RWD 80.35% at 147k

ElectricalFactor9682 2025-09-21 07:19

As a long term Tesla owner, I so wish I trusted anything Tesla says about their cars anymore. 2020 Y with 30k. 92% battery from original max range.

istealpixels 2025-09-21 08:16

According to all the degradation curve charts LFP drops way slower compared to other types.

jrherita 2025-09-21 09:53

It's not the miles that ages the battery, it's time. I loved my 3 just bought a Juniper Y yesterday), but I wish Tesla were a little more transparent here. (My Model 3 is only one data point -- but 93K miles and 7 years, Final health was 81%).

jrherita 2025-09-21 09:53

What year is that?

singletWarrior 2025-09-21 10:12

Good ones.. lfp manufacturing process is so chaotic the output need to be binned which is why some Chinese EV are so cheap; they just buy the bargain basement lfps left over

mattmccord 2025-09-21 11:15

2015

Empty_Wallaby5481 2025-09-21 12:36

2021's are failing left and right from what we see online.

AmbitiousFunction911 2025-09-21 12:38

Yup. Just had a 2018 fail without warning and service center made this seem like a daily occurrence they are dealing with from the user base.

Ok_Transition7785 2025-09-21 13:18

That's just not good enough, I'm sorry. Its one of the main reasons I don't think electric cars are ready for mainstream.

[deleted] 2025-09-21 14:28

Where are all these 200k mile drivers at? All I see posted are the 2021s replacing the pack by 70-80k miles.

[deleted] 2025-09-21 14:28

It’ll be 71% until the warranty runs out then brick.

nakedskiing 2025-09-21 14:59

I heard there are companies that can replace the faulty cells in a bad battery whereas TESLA would tell you the entire thing is toast.

solid0snak3 2025-09-21 16:09

81.5% on a 2019 M3 LR @ 110k miles

dtpearson 2025-09-21 21:38

Different technology, different BMS settings, different suppliers, different countries of manufacturing across many years of different makes and models every one charged differently to every other (fast, slow, poorly, let run low, left high etc, etc). All will have different longevity.

dtpearson 2025-09-21 21:40

And ironically, running the test causes degradation :-)

ImPotentialWall5118 2025-09-22 01:12

December 2021, Model S, 70k miles, max 82% battery charging.

brock_schleprock 2025-09-22 03:33

Hahaha my fellow redditor. I’m at identical stats. 2023 MYP, 34k miles, 11% degradation.

Capable-Reach7509 2025-09-22 04:03

& they’ll put the blame on superchargers and the epa every time.

sirvitamixalot 2025-09-22 04:44

All manufacturing across industries went to shit during Covid is my guess.

Bderken 2025-09-22 05:56

Battery tech changes like every year for different trims all the time

Tacticoner 2025-09-22 11:25

I just crossed the 4 year mark, I average about 10k miles a year. My daily commute is about 12 miles round trip, but we also take it on various road trips that can average a few hundred miles

TheCourierMojave 2025-09-22 11:43

That's a nice commute. Mine is triple that or more depending on which office I am going to.

Impressive-Revenue94 2025-09-22 12:33

I’m at 90% at 35k miles on 2022 model y. 2025 was the lowest loss year at 4 miles only but i also drove only 5k miles this year versus 12-15k my 1st two years. The 85% retention after 200k seems impossible.

rkr007 2025-09-22 13:37

I'm inclined to agree, but what could be the more specific reason? Sure, Covid caused a *production* decrease, but what would cause such a decrease a quality control?

sirvitamixalot 2025-09-22 14:35

Not specific to Tesla but most companies were struggling to hire and retain workers. Chip shortage. Materials shortage. Logistics issues with the ports and all those boats stuck off shore for weeks on end. Cost of shipping containers went up 1000%.

Aggressive-Land-8884 2025-09-22 15:27

They are rated for 700,000 miles (1 mil for LFP batteries) Idk how much charge they’d hold at those miles tho lol

whitemiketyson 2025-09-22 15:44

So does driving it.

sarahinNewEngland 2025-09-23 01:31

Really wish replacement batteries weren’t so crazy expensive. It’s the one thing holding be back

bremidon 2025-09-23 11:43

I think the 2020s were pretty good. Mine was well over 90% at around 100k miles.

bremidon 2025-09-23 11:46

It's mostly complaint bias. People who have a fine experience tend not to post nearly as much as those that have a worse experience.

inquiringdoc 2025-09-23 12:35

Same car year and model, 77% after 167K miles

Pure-Estate5371 2025-09-23 16:51

This entire thread, plus my personal experience is why I just bought an Odyssey for my family.  Saved a lot of money with initial purchase vs Tesla…. Insurance, less frequent tire changes, repairs all will be cheaper.  Space in an odyssey is insane, lots of storage, big entertainment screen to hook a switch up to.  Love my 2019 model 3 but gas is convenient… especially for road trips / adventures without range anxiety or pre planning.

UCBearcats 2025-09-23 18:15

As a Model Y owner this is blatantly false. Not surprisingly since they lied about FSD and other things.

Brief_Guitar771 2025-09-24 04:36

Wish my standard range + 2019 was that healthy. Recent battery health shows 78% but only have 149 miles at 80%. It's also at 134K miles.

jrherita 2025-09-24 09:16

That's impressive -- my 2018 Model 3 ended up at 79-80% right before I traded it in (last week), 93K miles.

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cranialAnalyst 2025-09-24 17:47

88% at 60k km on my 2018 awd m3 that I also shipped overseas to me 3.5 years ago

Snakend 2025-09-24 20:54

Starting in 2021, Tesla began using prismatic **Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LFP)** batteries in the Standard Range Model 3 (primarily from CATL in China). As of 2025, LFP batteries are standard in most base Model 3 units globally, and are also used in some Long Range trims depending on region and supply chain. [https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/what-kind-of-battery-does-my-tesla-have/](https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/what-kind-of-battery-does-my-tesla-have/)

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Snakend 2025-09-24 21:30

My son in law got his standard range battery replaced with a new LFP about 3 months ago, so that's 2025. 2025 is modern.

ihave2asku 2025-09-25 00:22

2024 m3 rwd LR with 13,000 miles.. new i want to say it had 363 miles of range. At 100% it now shows 350. Usually only charge it to 80% and its only been below 10% a time or 2. Try to keep it 40 to 80%.

Ryan6201 2025-09-25 01:29

85%, 2020 M3P 162k

Lumpy_Landscape5946 2025-09-25 19:27

it tapers off logarithmically so no worries

Lumpy_Landscape5946 2025-09-25 19:28

maybe the degradation was always there. this test just gave you more accurate number

noiamholmstar 2025-09-26 01:11

My 2018 model 3 has about 81% at 77k miles.

Flawedlogic41 2025-10-09 01:03

Going to check mine today. Bought a used long range. How long did it take for your battery check. Starting to think all 22 have low battery.

Flawedlogic41 2025-10-09 01:04

Did you charge L1 every day or charge when you need to? A guy post that charging every day may give wrong range, and using sentry mode constantly didn't allow it to recalibrate properly.

ca2mt 2025-10-09 02:01

Start it with as little charge as possible because it’s going to drain to around 0% before charging all the way back up. I started with around 6%, but still took around 12-14 hours if I remember correctly.

Flawedlogic41 2025-10-09 05:22

I'm doing at 18% and my entire garage is heated. Probably 17 hours approximately. I had the worried that 17 hour charge can be dangerous overnight but the outlet wasn't hot at all.

rivensoweak 2025-10-10 05:38

i would definitely worry if i lose 13% in one year, that doesnt sound normal at all

Remarkable_Office682 2025-10-14 23:00

Just found out that I need to replace my battery on our 2021 Y LR after just 4.5 years and 148K miles. That is a deal breaker for me. This makes any advantage of having an EV disappear. So what if I haven't had many issues in 4 years but need to spend 13,000!!!!! to get my car fixed. Just the possibility of that happening is rendering EV ownership pointless.

Lumpy_Landscape5946 2025-10-23 16:51

why would you worry? the battery is warrantined for 8yr/120k miles. test again at yr 2 & 3

rivensoweak 2025-10-23 17:46

because its not normal, what if your battery is faulty and ends up burning up under your ass :skull:

Overall_Elk5339 2025-10-27 14:10

My 2024 Model Y Long Range is at 87% after 1 year and 25,000 miles. Drive 150+ miles a day for work. Charge at home on a tesla wall charger 80 to 90% depending on how much i'm driving the next day.

Lumpy_Landscape5946 2025-11-03 20:29

battery degradation and critical battery failure is two different things. you are seriously tripping right now.

Dragonlance12 2025-11-06 12:51

My 2018 M3LR, which I purchased for an additional $20,000 for the LR package, currently has 77% capacity and has accumulated 90,000 miles.

automattic3 2025-12-23 06:04

My 2018 is similar I think around 83% with 70k miles. I typically only charge to 80% and rarely super charge.

Master-Journalist888 2026-02-16 16:39

Sure, just drive 1000 miles to the guy, leave the car, fly home, come back in two weeks, pay 50% less

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