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Tesla Vision Frontal Airbag System Enhancement - Update 2025.32.3

EGHeart | 2025-09-02 02:25 | 470 views

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itshukokay 2025-09-02 03:14

Can’t wait for an airbag to go off when slowing down safely at a red light at 25mph

DontTrackMeBro_ 2025-09-02 03:28

I was just thinking this. Phantom airbagging can be a new thing. 😮‍💨

averagecrazyliberal 2025-09-02 03:28

You’re telling me the software team that couldn’t solve phantom braking decided to try their hand at airbag deployment?

Quin1617 2025-09-02 03:31

Isn’t phantom braking largely not an issue anymore? 99% of it was caused by the front radar.

TheHudgepudge 2025-09-02 03:37

I have phantom braking almost every day, or more accurately “curvature assist”. There are 2 spots on my regular commute that my car phantom brakes almost every time. Straight open road too, I can’t even begin to imagine what it sees or why the curvature thing pops off. And I’m a HW4 2023 Model Y, no radar, in regular autopilot.

Kuriente 2025-09-02 03:41

I still experience it on HW3. That said, people talk about it as if the vehicle suddenly slams on the brakes like it's going to hit a wall (airbag scenario) - it's not that. It's closer to normal braking as you might do if approaching a stop sign from a distance, just that there's no actual reason to do it (hence phantom). It's annoying, and could theoretically be dangerous if you're being tailgated by an idiot on their phone, but it's not even remotely an airbag deployment type of scenario.

erlachglenn 2025-09-02 03:42

Same. Mildest of mild curves on a 55mph road and it slams the brakes. Also 2023 Model Y.

ChunkyThePotato 2025-09-02 03:48

It's not an issue with FSD. Still probably is with Autosteer.

WirusCZ 2025-09-02 03:51

I wonder what's gonna happen if you hit things like some paper bag... Will they deploy?

coolgrey3 2025-09-02 04:01

First came phantom breaking…

mistsoalar 2025-09-02 04:05

Me: (waiting red light at front row) Ambulance: (Rushing through opposite lane) Tesla: OMFG, that crazy truck is way too fast! BRACE FOR IMPACT (deploys airbag) Me: (bleeding nose)

Jonathan7877 2025-09-02 04:06

Same here. Same model. It’s awful and extremely unsafe. It’s crazy that it hasn’t gotten more attention. Happens consistently.  — I decided to take action and complain elsewhere because I had exhausted all the Tesla customer service avenues without any success. I submitted a report to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), as they take safety matters more seriously and this incident is undoubtedly a significant safety hazard. I hope this report will make a difference.  https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem

Quin1617 2025-09-02 04:18

In that case it’s likely an issue with Autopilot’s old code. Iirc it hasn’t actually been updated for years now. Tesla really should just transition everyone to FSD, and limit its capabilities for those who haven’t bought the full package. I imagine though that this feature’s logic is completely detached from AP’s braking logic. Airbag deployment is a very serious thing.

Quin1617 2025-09-02 04:19

That’s what I’ve heard, Autosteer is ridiculously outdated.

-Zimeon- 2025-09-02 04:19

The same software team that can’t fix the god damn wipers? I sure hope this shit won’t see the the daylight and it’s just phantom functions in a code base unchanged.

Quin1617 2025-09-02 04:20

Do you use FSD or plain Autopilot, it seems like the latter is worse.

ChunkyThePotato 2025-09-02 04:21

Very much so. It hasn't been significantly updated in over 5 years. All of the innovation has gone into FSD.

Vertsix 2025-09-02 04:22

This better be ready for deployment.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 04:23

Regular autopilot is your problem. Get FSD it will go away.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 04:24

Congrats on nonfunny low intelligent post

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 04:24

Phantom braking is not a thing anymore on FSD. Try to keep up for once.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 04:26

Wipers have been working fine for awhile, maybe try keeping up instead of just using old information.

Electrical_Quality_6 2025-09-02 04:28

cool  also make emergency breaking from tesla vision

uhmhi 2025-09-02 04:29

2023 MX on HW4 owner here. It still phantom brakes on autopilot all the fucking time.

-Zimeon- 2025-09-02 04:32

Tell that to my car… this is from a few weeks ago. You can see I need to press the end of the stalk to wipe the windscreen. MY23 Model 3. https://youtu.be/dIf1UjV7jvo?si=UOGsFMFxJTCH2eXd It’s still absolut garbage. It will wipe when there are clouds, it will wipe when it’s snowing, it won’t wipe when it’s raining on autopilot.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 04:35

You need FSD. And it just wiped at the end of video.

-Zimeon- 2025-09-02 04:37

Need to pay thousand to get working wipers with fsd ? Hahahaha 🥲 no fucking way. And it wiped in the end as I pressed it a second time.

WilliamG007 2025-09-02 04:40

Seriously this update is giving me MAJOR anxiety even thinking about it.

fire_in_the_theater 2025-09-02 04:41

lol wat? i still get phantom wipes at least once a month still. and last rainy season i definitely had to do manual management at times. i really hate that the damn thing keeps resetting itself to auto instead of just staying off.

fire_in_the_theater 2025-09-02 04:42

it stills happens at least once a month to me on normal autopilot during highway driving. it's not that disruptive, so well tolerable ... but it's certainly not gone.

jml5791 2025-09-02 04:48

*brakes. ffs

Skilled626 2025-09-02 04:53

Wow. Impressive

chupippomink 2025-09-02 04:53

Spoiler: it won't.

ZeroBalance98 2025-09-02 04:53

Autopilot or fsd?

chupippomink 2025-09-02 04:54

I thought it was funny. Anyone that thinks this is a smart idea is insane and way too trusting of corporations.

khaeosha 2025-09-02 04:59

Probably the first time that im seriously considering changing my update preference from “Advanced” to “Standard”. I don’t want to be the guinea pig for this…

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 05:05

Anyone who doubts and thinks Tesla doesn’t know safety is insane and borderline mentally challenged.

ADubs62 2025-09-02 05:10

Bruh FSD doesn't suddenly make wipers work better.

ADubs62 2025-09-02 05:11

I think it can be a great idea... I'm just very cautious on what kind of thresholds they have to make sure that there is 0 chance of a false positive.

chupippomink 2025-09-02 05:15

But like what is the point? What are we trying to fix? Of the multitude of problems they could work on, why are we trying to change an airbag system that has been extremely reliable for decades now.

chupippomink 2025-09-02 05:16

Bruh you gotta stop drinking the Kool aid. It's okay to disagree with Tesla on some things and still appreciate their cars.

ADubs62 2025-09-02 05:19

I think better outcomes with lower risk of injury would be the goal? As for the current systems being extremely reliabile, that's why I'm very cautious on how they've eliminated any false positives. False negatives I'm less worried about because I would assume the OG system will still work exactly as designed if Tesla Vision doesn't trigger the system slightly earlier (which is what this sounds like)

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 05:23

Kool-aid? Tesla makes the safest car, with all the test scores to back it up. When someone is doubting the team and company on safety without any fact, that’s borderline mental.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 05:23

Of course it does, did you even try with FSD?

chupippomink 2025-09-02 05:24

I could see the argument for seat belt tightening earlier. But airbags inflate so fast it makes me skeptical that any earlier would change much in terms of safety. Maybe there is data to back it, but I won't trust it till that is released and validated. And I don't expect that to happen. I just hope it doesn't cause any false positives..

Stickyv35 2025-09-02 05:24

I experience phantom braking almost daily on FSD. It's still an issue. Try to keep up.

raksj9 2025-09-02 05:27

I get it at least 2-3 times a week, sometimes more. On 2025.26 so that’s pretty much latest my car has been offered. I have FSD, btw (had it for months)

PracticalLeg9873 2025-09-02 05:28

Ultimate marketing choice of bullshit words.

Fire69 2025-09-02 05:47

No he doesn't. And what about the rest of the world where there is no FSD?

Fire69 2025-09-02 05:48

It is. Unexpected airbag deployment.

Fire69 2025-09-02 05:51

It does? It uses the cameras, what other systems could it use to detect something in front of the car?

Lollerscooter 2025-09-02 05:51

It is 100% not solved, no. And it is not because of radar since lots of cars without radar have issues.

petersracing 2025-09-02 05:52

That is very wise and I'm going to follow your advice. Plagued by too many phantom events of all types to trust that.

Quin1617 2025-09-02 05:55

That’s why I said 99%, it’s still there but not even close to how bad it used to be. I’m mainly referring to FSD, any bugs that regular Autopilot has will never be fixed, it’s not updated anymore.

nicovlaai 2025-09-02 05:56

Same, HW4 with good ole autopilot; not as much as years ago with HW2.5 but its regularly trying to surprise me. When in AP I found that I always keep my foot directly over the gas pedal, just in case.

tomdon88 2025-09-02 05:59

Surely updating safety critical features post sale should invalidate the certifications?

nexus6ca 2025-09-02 05:59

breaks works too in this case...

tomdon88 2025-09-02 05:59

As the owner of an Audi which likes to phantom brake about once every 4-5 months, this seems like a terrible idea.

Dos-Commas 2025-09-02 06:01

Sometimes random slowdowns are caused by bad speed limit data on the map.

Electrical_Quality_6 2025-09-02 06:03

i am not sure how much or at what level but it should be so that it never crashes head on into anything ever, even if not using it specifically

drhappycat 2025-09-02 06:05

It's trying to clean the camera, not remove imaginary rain.

uhmhi 2025-09-02 06:13

Autopilot. Fsd is not available in my country.

Successful-World9978 2025-09-02 06:25

speak for yourself buddy. 2019 m3 sunny day on the highway, not a car hundreds of feet in front of me car slams its breaks at 55mph with no warning.

psaux_grep 2025-09-02 06:36

They’re shipping this update to markets who can’t get FSD Supervised too. Just received it on my Y.

Snakend 2025-09-02 06:39

This is how they are going to get rid of all the HW3 FSD users.

ADubs62 2025-09-02 06:44

Yes I've had it since I got my car in 2019...

Opposite-Bench-9543 2025-09-02 06:46

It's a tesla, so no

Opposite-Bench-9543 2025-09-02 06:50

brother, my sister bought a tesla recently and I drove it and I got phantom breaked out of nowhere in the middle of the highway like FULL stop, my sister cried and told me autopilot kills people and she never plans to use it

dinominant 2025-09-02 06:52

I do not trust the camera-only implementation for autopilot and I am now concerned that the airbag will misfire.

Snakend 2025-09-02 07:11

Slowing down for a speed limit change is a smooth slowing down. The phantom braking is a harsh stopping. It's almost caused me to get rear ended multiple times. It hasn't happened in a couple years for me though. But it was fucking terrifying.

PleasantPierogi 2025-09-02 07:24

Or when pulling into a parking space and the warning sound dings when ur close to the curb lol

Zealousideal_Aside96 2025-09-02 07:43

No they definitely have not been working fine lol

slipknottin 2025-09-02 07:54

My wipers go off just about every time I go under an overpass.

BikebutnotBeast 2025-09-02 07:54

Phantom braking is largely not an issue for FSD. A lot of people still use autopilot however or dont have FSD in their region.

Karlitos00 2025-09-02 07:59

I have to pay $8k to get my wipers to work that a 2000 Toyota has solved with 25 cent sensors?

EJNorth 2025-09-02 08:05

I found this report by the Norwegian Safety Investigation Authority very interesting (similar to American NTSB): https://nsia.no/Road/Published-reports/2025-02

NewMY2020 2025-09-02 08:13

I don't even want to think about it...SURELY there needs to be a crash detected first for this to kick in....SURELY. I don't wanna think about it.

nomiskomis 2025-09-02 08:16

I think there are levels to it. Weird braking when on autopilot happens a lot, mostly it's not that severe, you just got to be aware. The other is phantom automatic emergency braking, where it plays an alarm, breaks very violently and also steers to avoid the non-existent obstacle. We have had this trigger once, with no obstacle in sight, not on autopilot. That was actually very scary, especially the swerving.

Officer-LimJahey 2025-09-02 08:19

How dat boot taste?

popornrm 2025-09-02 08:23

Yeah… no. I want physical parameters for airbag deployment to be triggered, not software deciding if it should be. Then again, does preinflating mean it’ll be pre inflating pretty much all the time? Is fully activating the airbag still controlled physically?

JustLikeJD 2025-09-02 08:48

It does. My Model 3 Highland slams the brakes when people in front of me decide to slam theirs unexpectedly for no reason. I’ve had it save me from two accidents in recent memory for doing just that. Both times autopilot/FSD wasn’t engaged

fursty_ferret 2025-09-02 09:08

\*\*changes lane with "enhanced" autopilot\* \[car three lanes over wobbles slightly in lane\] \*\*all the airbags go off. Not convinced.

[deleted] 2025-09-02 09:08

Hahahahahahha

Electrical_Quality_6 2025-09-02 09:11

so cool i saw it in a movie, but wasn’t sure it was real. its a very reassuring thing to hear

Munkadunk667 2025-09-02 09:12

Same here. I’ve also experienced the slow deceleration but most of the time it’s a quick slam on the brakes at highway speed.

TheAce0 2025-09-02 09:19

My car hard-slams the brakes every 200m or less when driving in Vienna using TACC. I don't want to argue the semantics of "phantom" braking, but "braking when it absolutely IS NOT warranted" is VERY much still an issue, and is the reason that the only "safe" way for me to use cruise control in this godforsaken car is to keep my foot on the accelerator and make sure that the "Vehicle will not brake" warning appears on the display (and even then, this piece of shit system will try to slow down for pedestrians that are on a fenced sidewalk)

TheAce0 2025-09-02 09:56

My wipers still start off every time I pass under a tree. And they don't wipe at all when the windshield is caked in spray to the point that I can't see anything. They are **absolutely not** *working fine*.

desertsardine 2025-09-02 10:13

I get a random wipe every time I pass a certain road near my house… 2024 Model 3 with most up to date software. Also I live in a desert.

[deleted] 2025-09-02 10:36

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fooknprawn 2025-09-02 10:42

Ooooh, phantom airbag deployment to go along with my phantom braking!! Can't wait /s

lowerlevel18 2025-09-02 10:48

Hopefully it works better than the wipers

Kuriente 2025-09-02 10:53

FSD. And yeah, I've heard the same.

Zuliman 2025-09-02 11:12

Tesla vision rain sensing wipers comes to mind with this update.

AnOoglyBoogly 2025-09-02 11:42

Yeah last update started emergency auto braking when I changing lanes a little close…nothing out of the norm for NYC traffic. Was shocked my 2018 3 that I drove through the city all the time since launch did that, caused more of a scene than not.

rcipd 2025-09-02 11:51

This surely cannot be approved in Europe. Is it?

PolymathInfidel 2025-09-02 11:53

Oh, great. They cant even stop the wipers from kicking from every shadow you go through and now this. Have a real good feeling about this..

DirectorFinal6376 2025-09-02 12:02

Seriously, phantom braking, unreliable wipers and now they're letting that software nursery have a crack at airbag deployment?

camobiwon 2025-09-02 12:20

People saying they don't trust this because of phantom braking thinking it's the same as AEB (automatic emergency braking) which is tuned enough to only kick in when it's \*pretty likely\* an accident was about to happen. I imagine this is a step further where an accident is basically guaranteed and you can save some precious milliseconds in an event like that to deploy slightly earlier than it would have already. That's my guess, who knows, maybe we'll see phantom airbag deployments, but I hope they would have it pretty down

Doudelidou25 2025-09-02 12:22

From the great minds that couldn't figure out wipers for a decade

dangoodspeed 2025-09-02 12:24

I wish the description would just be a description of the new feature instead of sounding like something written by a sales team.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 12:50

Not a chance that happened

wtfredditacct 2025-09-02 13:00

Bro, *my* wipers still do it. It just happened yesterday.

Money-Coyote3100 2025-09-02 13:03

Scared? Don't install this update then, or leave your car for the next 2 weeks alone and see what happens to other guinea pigs :P

Money-Coyote3100 2025-09-02 13:07

I hope so. I keep my updates from advanced to standard from now on.

OSUfan88 2025-09-02 13:09

No, airbags are disabled at lower speeds.

originalmember 2025-09-02 13:36

I don’t care… I want a 0.0% chance of false airbag deployment.

Opposite-Bench-9543 2025-09-02 13:40

Damn, if u willing to put ur money where your mouth is I'd def prove it.

HumarockGuy 2025-09-02 13:41

Let’s start with auto windshield wipers … good luck with airbags.

ike_likes_bikes 2025-09-02 13:47

or a trash bag blowing in the wind. I am guessing it only triggers this when there's a high degree of certainty it's seeing something that is specifically a car or truck coming at the car at high speeds.

ike_likes_bikes 2025-09-02 13:49

they did solve phantom braking at least for HW4. I haven't had a single case of that (that i can remember) since going to V12.

JustLikeJD 2025-09-02 13:54

I’m confused. You suggested they make emergency braking a thing but weren’t sure if it was a thing already??

Beneficial-Bite-8005 2025-09-02 14:19

So at the absolute lightest rain, the wipers are going full speed to clean the camera?

XsobervisionsX 2025-09-02 14:25

I hate this. Please give me the option to disable it. My windshield wipers turning on when its completely sunny out is one thing. I do not trust your robot eyes

itsthreeamyo 2025-09-02 14:44

Oh great. Phantom braking will seen like a bouquet of roses compared to phantom airbag expansions. Make sure your insurance is up to date!

ilikethefinerthings 2025-09-02 14:48

I hope I can disable this feature

mistsoalar 2025-09-02 14:53

That dude you're answering is a 7 month old, purpose made account by someone need AI assist to speak own language. You don't need legwork to provide proofs.

EJNorth 2025-09-02 14:57

Appreciate it, I thought the findings were interesting regardless, and thought others should see as well, maybe I'll post it as its own post also

mistsoalar 2025-09-02 15:27

It is indeed an interesting article. Crossing center line and head on to an 18-wheeler is anyone's nightmare. The key findings, rear seat safety, was acknowledged by IIHS(rating agency by insurance firms) 2-3 years ago. Some car companies are still struggling to meet top safety ratings.

JasonQG 2025-09-02 15:30

This will save lives

HellsNels 2025-09-02 15:43

Paradox: HW3 users won't even get the update due to vision and processing constraints.

solarplex 2025-09-02 15:47

I’m gonna sneeze and the airbag is going to deploy.

PleasantPierogi 2025-09-02 16:16

Would be comical AF. Just waiting at a traffic light. Mosquito hits the window. Air bags pop. Straight comedy scene reminiscent of the Silicon Valley tv show

iiTool 2025-09-02 16:26

Probably in response to Mark Robers video to discourage future influencers from trying to crash thier Tesla through a fake wall painted to look like the road ahead

iiTool 2025-09-02 16:27

That's not accurate. You can be stopped and a car can crash into you had on and the air bags will still deploy

Lollerscooter 2025-09-02 16:27

They either have to fix autopilot or transplant the logic from fsd to autopilot, otherwise they will keep getting dragged. I haven't seen a Tesla review that doesn't crap on how poor autopilot is compared to regular brands - and it is completely justified.

at_one 2025-09-02 16:51

Would this be considered an airbug?

OSUfan88 2025-09-02 16:52

To phrase it better, the collision will only occurs with a higher speed force.

colinstalter 2025-09-02 17:03

Volvo uses the side radar to detect an impending t-bone crash and raise the suspension on that side of the car (so that the force is directed to the chassis instead of the passenger doors).

colinstalter 2025-09-02 17:04

I love when I get the red-level lane departure warning when going through the McDonalds drive through at 1.5 mph.

colinstalter 2025-09-02 17:05

From the brilliant minds that brought you Phantom Breaking and Rain Detection

alabarda89 2025-09-02 18:18

Some xanax will fix that

Dismal-Stock-1424 2025-09-02 18:42

My 24’ MYP has the WORST wipers I’ve ever seen or used absolutely ridiculous and comical how bad they are in comparison to literally any other makes. Not quick enough or they’re going light speed in light rain and the phantom wipes are so annoying. They didn’t fix nothing yall just haven’t seen how great wipers can be in a vehicle that’s actually intuitive.

Dr_Pippin 2025-09-02 18:45

> I still experience it on HW3. That said, people talk about it as if the vehicle suddenly slams on the brakes like it's going to hit a wall (airbag scenario) - it's not that. > > Exactly. Those of us with the very early Model 3s have a different impression of what "phantom braking" actually is, and now everyone who has their car slow down a bit is calling it phantom braking.

zxn11 2025-09-02 19:09

Phantom airbag deployment, coming in hot!

AJHenderson 2025-09-02 19:17

I go now, good luck everyone else.

adrr 2025-09-02 19:28

You mean a hard shadow.

[deleted] 2025-09-02 19:32

Not possible, considering all airbag deployment is sensor-based and inherently sensors have a non zero probability of providing a false value above a threshold. To be clear though, airbags are actually one of the more scrutinized aspects of new car homologation, even in the US. For example, there was a minor recall for some code logic related to model X airbags a few years ago https://www.autoblog.com/features/tesla-model-x-recall-airbag-deployment-issue Notably, the issue only occurred if an unrestrained small child was moving around the front of the cabin during a low speed crash. But, still something that was tested by regulators and Tesla had to fix. This is how it works for any car sold in the US and any change to an existing car that warrants new testing. If anything, I'd assume this update will reduce the occurrence of false airbag deployment, which is already ludicrously low. If it makes you feel better, genuinely, per IIHS there have only been 290 deaths between 1990 and 2008 related to low speed collision airbag deployment. The number of deaths due to completely false airbag deployment must logically be even lower, since the chance of an airbag inflating without a collision is already exponentially lower than during one. Additionally, from those 290 deaths, 90% were unrestrained children, mostly improperly seated in the front and without a car seat. All in all, the chances of you being killed or injured because your airbag goes off at all, are far lower than pretty much any other cause of mortality in a car. Nothing to worry about.

pavanforest 2025-09-02 20:13

Vision based windshield wipers are vary annoying now Vision based Airbags sounds not reliable. First they have to fix Vision based any and then comes to Vision based safety enhancements. If I get I wish to skip installation of this release, it it’s an option at all unless they would give us an option to enable and disable this option in menu.

originalmember 2025-09-02 20:13

Genuinely asking: what information have you seen that the vision system would override a sensor to PREVENT deployment? I’ve only seen it say that it would CAUSE deployment without an impact sensor being triggered. The fact that phantom breaking is still an issue for me makes me leery. Tesla claims it’s solved, and there are other posters who repeat this, but I can promise you my car did it as recently as this past weekend as I drove on the interstate under some overpasses in the peak of the daytime… just as it’s done for years.

ureviews 2025-09-02 20:19

Taken from Gemini: Sensor Fusion: The system does not rely on vision alone. The final decision to deploy an airbag is made by fusing data from multiple, independent sensor types. The new vision system can prime the airbags for an earlier deployment, but the trigger is still cross-validated with physical sensors. Accelerometers: These are the primary, traditional sensors. They measure the rapid, high-g-force deceleration that only occurs during a physical crash. This is the ultimate "proof" that a severe impact is happening. Vision System: The camera system predicts an imminent and unavoidable collision. This allows the system to prepare and deploy milliseconds sooner than if it waited for the accelerometer data alone. Redundancy and Fail-Safes: The vision enhancement is an addition to, not a replacement for, the existing federally-regulated airbag system. If the vision system were to make an error (a false positive), the accelerometers would not register a crash-level deceleration, and the airbags would not deploy. The traditional system acts as the final, non-negotiable check. High-Confidence Algorithms: The vision system's algorithm requires an extremely high confidence level before it even considers an early deployment. It is trained to differentiate between an unavoidable crash and scenarios like emergency braking, driving over a large pothole, or hitting non-hazardous debris (like a cardboard box). In short, the vision system proposes an early deployment, but the physical accelerometer system must provide confirmation before the airbags are actually fired.

HeelsupKamala 2025-09-02 20:25

Maybe fix the auto wipers before taking the old collage try stab at the air bags.

genuinefaker 2025-09-02 20:36

It appears that Tesla Vision, when used alongside physical impact sensors, enables earlier detection of imminent collisions, allowing the airbag to deploy more rapidly. I am curious how they achieved sensor fusion between physical hardware and vision systems, especially given their decision to exclude radar and lidar from Tesla Vision for FSD.

DiagCarFix 2025-09-02 21:43

still paying off old expansive model Y intel fsd don’t even get a grok feature

Pavores 2025-09-02 22:05

The cameras look at a different part of the wind screen. They literally cannot see the road spray on the lower half that I need to wipe, and go nuts for rain that obstructs their view but doesn't affect the more vertical parts of the glass. It's not a software issue, it's a sensor issue because the sensor can't access the right data to make a decision.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-02 22:12

Huh? This is wide angle camera of course it can see the entire windshield. Look up all the video from sentry mode you will see the camera has full view.

doorknob_worker 2025-09-02 22:45

No, because this feature isn't out yet. Use your noodle. This is speculation because the majority of the other vision only features right now have significant problems - phantom braking, false positives on collision warnings, people destroying their wheels with autopark, etc.

ca2mt 2025-09-02 22:53

Funny enough, I just received this update on my HW3 M3 and there’s no mention of the airbag update. Just “minor fixes” and low power mode.

Katavallos 2025-09-03 00:10

I have a HW3 M3 and did just get the update though. Their plan is in motion for me

Pro_JaredC 2025-09-03 00:12

That’s because it’s end-to-end. This system isn’t.

Pro_JaredC 2025-09-03 00:15

And take some

kranged1 2025-09-03 02:23

They do this all the time. It’s lazy and weird

JasonQG 2025-09-03 02:59

They’ve been doing this for years with seatbelt pretensioning. How many complaints have you seen about it? The Reddit hivemind (as usual) is wrong

Pro_JaredC 2025-09-03 03:12

Pre-tensioners work in conjunction with the airbag WHEN IMPACT is detected. Not from the camera and HW determining whether or not a crash is imminent.

JasonQG 2025-09-03 03:13

They’ve been doing it for 3 years already with seatbelt pretensioning. So they have 3 years of data to convince themselves that it’s ready. People were skeptical of the seatbelt pretensioning too, but nobody ever reflected on it later that they were wrong. They just forgot about it. The same thing will happen with this

[deleted] 2025-09-03 03:31

I assume that there is a far more nuance to the explicit code logic here than I could ever know. But, having worked on active safety for a different OEM I assume it's something as follows: 1- Vision system in combination with autopilot computer doing the processing, detect that a collision probability exceeds a certain threshold and sends some signal. 2- if certain variables line up, a pre collision mode is entered 3- this in turn activates seat belt pretensioners and places airbags in a "near deploy" state. 4- once collision or g-force threshold, etc is reached through existing sensors in the vehicle, airbags deploy as appropriate for the collision. Highly doubt that airbag deployment is ever guided by vision only. Its most likely just a sort of software based pre alert function of some kind. Lots of car makers already have good pre-tensioning systems, but using vision (especially backup cam and side cams) could help prevent more serious injuries from crashes at a standstill, for example. Look forward to seeing how they implement it, curious if they'll go into more detail

Boniuz 2025-09-03 06:57

Don’t worry, if you’re lucky it will be the last of your problems

Boniuz 2025-09-03 06:59

I mean technically there will be a crash detected, the question is if it’s before or after the airbag deployed.

Apprehensive_888 2025-09-03 16:35

Omg... Trying to predict an airbag emergency before it happens. This cannot end well.

BreiteSeite 2025-09-03 18:45

>Pre-tensioners work in conjunction with the airbag WHEN IMPACT is detected. Which is exactly how the update works? >This upgrade builds upon your vehicle’s superior crash protection by now **using Tesla Vision** to help offer some of the most cutting-edge airbag performance **in the event of a frontal crash**.

Pro_JaredC 2025-09-03 18:48

It’s using the cameras to predict a crash. That’s not the same as seatbelt pre-tensioners, which only activate once an impact is actually detected. Meaning false positives are now a possibility.

BreiteSeite 2025-09-03 18:53

>using the cameras to predict a crash. Source?

Pro_JaredC 2025-09-03 18:59

Read the release notes… 🤦‍♂️

BreiteSeite 2025-09-03 20:32

I did, so can you point out the part where they state that they using the cameras to predict a crash? Because it's not in there

Pro_JaredC 2025-09-03 20:35

“This upgrade builds upon your vehicle’s superior crash protection by **now using Tesla Vision to help offer…airbag performance in the event of a frontal crash.** … This release enables front airbags to begin to inflate and restrain occupants **earlier**..” That “earlier” part is the giveaway. Airbags already deploy when an impact is detected, so the only way to make them go off earlier is to use predictive input from Tesla Vision before the crash sensors trigger. Otherwise, nothing has changed and the update is on about nothing sauce.

MBunnyKiller 2025-09-03 20:47

Made me laugh 😂

Routine_Protection_7 2025-09-04 07:51

always within tesla specs :))

KevinDohertyy 2025-09-04 07:57

I never got low power mode on my highland

[deleted] 2025-09-04 13:49

Just want to caution people on this update. I got it this morning and when taking a left on FSD it is trying to turn me into the on coming traffic lanes. It did this twice this morning on the way to work. I guess it’s trying to use me as a test user for the air bag. Scared me so much I turned it off the second time. Edit: my3 hw3

Grouchy_Ad_1966 2025-09-04 14:02

Nonsense. I am on HW3 (S Plaid) and already installed the update.

HellsNels 2025-09-04 14:40

I have a Model 3 and it has the update but not the vision airbag feature mentioned here.

Wo0d643 2025-09-04 15:08

My 23 M3 RWD got it a few days ago. My wife’s hw4 23 Y we just bought has NOT.

Wo0d643 2025-09-04 15:09

The. You will need an air bag update.

Wo0d643 2025-09-04 15:11

Oh damn. I had never thought about that. I just wanted the FSD updates to hit. I never changed it back. I’ll let you guys know if it goes awry

DeathBlade94 2025-09-04 20:57

This what I keep posting. It’s just gonna like a pre arm in the event a crash sensor is triggered. Many cars already do this to a degree. I had a situation in my old car, a 2020 bmw where someone ran their red and by nothing shy of inches with braking a swerving which I know you shouldn’t swerve missed them but the heavy braking and aggressive turning the car thought it may crash or roll and activated some safety features such as rolling the windows up, put itself in park and even started an emergency call. So the car for all I could tell thought it rolled but since it never hit any thresholds no airbags deployed but I can guarantee you it was on that very fine line.

Dduwies_Gymreig 2025-09-05 02:04

Just had it pop on my Model Y in the UK. Genuinely paused and found this thread before considering install.

rcipd 2025-09-05 09:24

Yes, but UK is not Europe anymore. Hahaha

Mower_Man_DK 2025-09-05 09:45

I have a HW3, and I got the airboat update also.

Dduwies_Gymreig 2025-09-05 11:01

Same safety and other requirements though, so still aligned.

ca2mt 2025-09-05 14:36

On a HW3 Model 3?

Every-Photograph7070 2025-09-05 18:02

Same. HW3 Airbag update

hoang51 2025-09-06 01:44

Got the 2025.32.3 software updated on my 2020 Model 3 with Intel/HW3. Only got "Minor Fixes".

Terron1965 2025-09-06 09:26

Inference training means it needs a whole series of things it had been shown before that matched a scenario with bad outcomes. It wont assume wall when somehing blocks a camera quicly.

Terron1965 2025-09-06 09:32

It will be trained to see cars and infrastructure with unavoidable geometry and a massive negative bias for edge cases and refine with real-world data. It would be more likely to not deploy than risk deployment errors.

Terron1965 2025-09-06 09:46

It will. Tesla has put more safety into a 50k car than anyone at twice the price.. Years ago "it would never work". A year ago "not without a driver at the wheel." Today its "never get rid of escort" Next phase "its barely safer than human"

Terron1965 2025-09-06 09:53

The wipers are trivial and would be functionally useless in a robotaxi except to help you gauge traffic. Eventually, they can put a screen in front with options for entertainment and street view. The potential for highly targeted advertising revenue is enormous.

pavanforest 2025-09-06 14:34

Hopefully that is true in near future, wipers are essential now as cameras can’t see through water, remember this all vision based autonomous. My point is if they can’t figure out well to run wipers based on cameras, trivial, if it’s raining triggering an airbag, essential, off of camera base is hard in my viewpoint.

ptj66 2025-09-06 14:43

They seem to be pretty confident with the system. Because the benefit is small while the potential damage to the branding would be huge. I guess their neural net can predict an unavailable higher speed crash with high confidence.

Common_Rub_3595 2025-09-06 21:02

If phantom braking is still a thing, would those airbags just suddenly inflate? 🤧

stopsucking 2025-09-06 21:37

Phantom braking posts soon to be phantom airbag crashes.

Peanutmm 2025-09-07 04:13

Would there be any issue with something like a grocery bag flying in the wind, where it thinks it's a giant boulder about to hit?

Historical-Outside-1 2025-09-07 15:24

That's odd, my 2026 Juniper has already experienced phantom braking twice.

zoltaaaan 2025-09-09 14:54

Why would you want to get failure prone camera vision involved in air bags? Air bags are great and all, but don't forget, they are explosive charges in striking distance of your head. This is a rhetorical question. I understand why you want to tune air bag deployment. I wouldn't trust cameras, though.

CommanderAlchemy 2025-09-10 00:36

Just as the phantom breaking? Random leafes blow by the highway and the car stomps on the brakes and deploy airbags. Much fun. We still have issues with phantom breaking and useless wipers. Lets add more.

CommanderAlchemy 2025-09-10 00:44

Then give free fsd or refund for false advertising. The choice is musk.

FunnyProcedure8522 2025-09-10 00:46

Don’t be a cheapskate and complain you should get free handout.

JasonQG 2025-09-10 05:12

Does your seatbelt ever pretension erroneously? No. This might save your life someday. I hope you’ll be grateful if it does

M3NTALMAGIC 2025-09-11 01:12

Yup totally agree-want the cool stuff: pony up the cash for a new Tesla.

Emoneysum 2025-09-11 17:51

Seatbelt pretensioning is a little different than an airbag hitting you in the face. One is arguably less noticeable if it malfunctions 😂😂

Emoneysum 2025-09-11 17:53

For those that have updated, can this feature be turned off? They can’t even figure out automatic windshield wipers…..i dont trust them.

JasonQG 2025-09-11 18:04

But both happen only at the last possible second when the car is very sure that an accident is about to occur Your comparison is valid, which is exactly why Tesla started with seatbelt pretensioning, tested it for 3 years, and then only applied the same logic to the airbags when they were confident

MoonDoggie_99 2025-09-12 00:37

Reminds me of this old gag video on YouTube from like 20 years ago of a granny hitting a dudes car with a shopping bag and setting it off.  https://youtu.be/MTX0MvqBqL0

metaxaos 2025-09-12 18:22

I've experienced phantom AEB twice.

PapaPlaete 2025-09-17 12:14

They can't be serious with replacing a good-working, well-engineered, proven system with such a bullshit. Even with the current system, the airbag is inflated before the head reaches it. So everything is OK and there is very little room to improve this.

Trackpackage 2025-09-17 12:28

Received 2025.32.6 including the airbag update. MY AWD 2022/09

jh20001 2025-09-18 04:53

So far I haven't heard of any phantom airbagging incidents yet. Although, I'm still not installing it. Not yet . ..

uptonogoodatall 2025-09-25 23:17

I want your babies, shame I am a man

arcticswed 2025-10-02 05:35

I thought the wiper in sun problem was fixed? We have two model 3, one -21 and one -24 and no one of them does this, maybe three years ago we got an update for the -21 that fixed this problem for us, no issues after that, before we were having this problem very often. The -24 has never had an issue.

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