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Guessing that's a logical AND, not an OR. Also guessing the 35 minute grace period starts when the other criteria are all fulfilled.
I knew there would be trouble from this. Maybe set up a service to unplug the car for you and make ASS park the thing?
35 min grace period is extremely generous.
Yeah, but if I'm sitting down for a meal I don't want to deal with the hassle. Seriously, why can't you ask the server to have the car in stall 35 unplugged, and then tell the Tesla app to park the car in this extremely well mapped-out Tesla-owned and litigated location?
Are there really 80 stalls there? Seems more like it would fit less than half that.
TOO generous.
I stopped by last night but it was too long of a wait ( I had a 15 month old with me). There is a section off to the side under the canopies with about 60 plus chargers. It’s hidden and it has a separate entrance.
This is meant to be fast food, not a Michelin star tasting menu. You should eat and go. Let’s assume you arrive with 70% that should give you around an hour (25 charging plus 35 extra.) When have you ever spent an hour in a fast casual restaurant? Anywhere else in LA you’d be paying for parking.
It's a diner. A diner means a sit-down meal. A sit-down meal means I don't want to be rushed in any way. What is the problem with taking a bit of time, exactly, when this is supposed to be a destination to enjoy?
"Look at our cool new thing! Please don't come."
I understand how the name might be confusing, but I’m pretty sure it’s a fast casual restaurant. You order from the car, pick up your food and quickly eat it or take it home. If you want to stay there’s no reason why you can’t move your car or pay for parking like everywhere else in LA.
Why trouble? It’s still a charging station. The usual rules should apply by default.
Well, what happens if you're there solo, your burger *just* got delivered, and you get this alert? I suspect that was the case they were planning for with that - you've got enough time to finish your burger (30 minutes) and 5 minutes to get to your car to unplug.
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30m to eat a burger, damn you must be my 13yo.
Once all influencers have done their videos then I suspect there won’t be that high demand and a congestion charge. They have 80 stalls total.
I don't understand why the "uh no, take 2 seconds to move your car then finish eating" thing would stop applying at a fully teslaized place.
maybe one day the cars can move itself from the charger and park at a nearby designated spot when charged.
Leave your table for a minute, move your car.
And all 60 were full?! I’ve never seen any 60+ anywhere close to full lol. But I guess diner may have attracted all Tesla’s in the area lolol
Idk about that, there most certainly would need to be an attendant. The only way I could think outside of that is if Tesla developed a charger that operates through contact points, where the car would have the contacts underneath, and then you pull into a parking spot and sit on top of the contact points from the charger, which transfers energy. If the car continues to need to be plugged in, it feels virtually impossible, since expecting someone to line up with a plug and back into it is really out of the realm of possibility. I guess if they have a robotic arm that can grab the charger and plug it in, but honestly that just feels like it would be a potentially large failure point, or be extremely expensive to repair when (not if) vandalized.
Does anyone know what time the 2nd floor closes? I was told it wasn't open 24/7. I want to pick up some merch but wanted to go late night in hopes it would be less busy.
Waiting sucked when we were 15 months old. Everyone remember that?
Where do you park
Yes all 80 were full! With a 10 minute wait. There were a couple of parking attendants directing traffic though.
make it for teslas only, close the super charging to non teslas we tried opening it, sales fell
its time to close the supercharging network we tried it and sales fell didnt work out
please as a 1 percent commenter, take up the lead with me in closing the supercharging to teslas only it was a a special competitive edge and luxury tesla has, i fear for tesla and future of evs if not if tesla fails all is lost and these other evs makers will backtrack
You’re a funny guy
You might be on to something. Was at a Supercharger the other day almost every stall was taken, right next to the Suoerchargers were 4 CCS chargers. Guess which one the Chevy Bolt at the end was still plugged into? 🤦🏻♂️
Inconvenience? Annoyance? All I know is that even on a road trip, supercharging is almost always too fast for a sit-down meal.
Do you care more from an investor point of view or for more practical reasons regarding charging your own car? I haven't seen Elon show any sign of regret about opening up the superchargers. Like you, I feel it would have been nice for Tesla to keep that particular edge, but Elon obviously thinks AI, FSD and Optimus will eclipse all of this stuff anyway. As an investor, I hope he's right!
Supercharger profit has increased according to the latest financial report. Likely due to the other cars paying higher rates to supercharge (or buying the membership)
Inside he's just a scared little boy who never learned how to ask for peoples' food. Or their burgers.
Just give everyone trial access to the Robotaxi software, your car will be used as a rideshare until you finish your burger.
I checked pricing at the diner the other day and it was cheaper than superchargers in the area.
driver can plug it by hand in when they charge and some mechanism like a clever spring can pull it out of the car when done. nothing complicated is needed. the rest is left to fsd.
Yeah the last 80 to 100 itself may take 25-35 minutes. So basically after 80 percent you still have an hour. This is very good.
To where? Isn’t it urban and all the parking spots have a sc?
I don't really blame them though. They can plug into a supercharger stall that will work or they can keep connecting and disconnecting and try to find a third party one that's actually functioning.
I honestly don't get it. I'd at least check it out if it were between SF/LA but... Harris Ranch exists and has good BBQ to go.
Tesla needs the supercharger business now that vehicle sales are declining. When the manufacturing business is gone it's all that will remain.
The massive stations along I5 are pretty regularly nearing capacity, doesn't surprise me one in the heart of LA is full
its diluting the tesla experience and hurting sales
i blame tesla management for allowing this
i say this as an investor in the company thats the only one that can save the world i want tesla to succeed beecause i believe they sre the only one who can transition the world to evs 🐝
its peanuts compared to the 40k a new car sale brings
maybe the manufacturing wont be gone if the supercharging moat is kept then we have both , twice the profits and win 🥃
close the network to teslas only and there will be no congestion and a smoother experience and more sales for tesla what the hell is elon even doing at this point
maybe one day it will be teslas only and tesla sales will rise again and the charging become more seamless
Hm, I haven't seen any of them close to full in all my travels between SF / LA! Granted I never travel on holiday weekends but Kettleman/Tejon/Firebaugh/Harris Ranch are always empty for me.
Exactly where I stop for a Porterhouse and a charge, Tesla and non-Tesla, they got both.
Guessing either 1. Tesla has contracts with other automakers (I don't think so) 3. Tesla employees believe in the mission and want to allow non-tesla buyers to not hate their electric vehicles
I would probably go every day to see Optimus
LOL
Should be allowed to stay until the end of the movie and you finish your meal. Charging is only part of the equation here.
YouTubers Assemble!
I don’t get how all third party chargers are SO bad, I tried using on with a loaner and after 20 minutes couldn’t get it to charge the Model Y, since getting my model 3 over a year ago I havnt even tried with CCS
It takes at least 20 minutes to go from 80-100. Another 20-30 if you show up much lower. That’s plenty of time.
well they hate tesla already and if tesla fails the mission is in jeopardy
I think the idea is they were building out cheap to get government money but had no intention of maintaining them or actually making money from their use. Tesla's the only company that actually even tried to make a functioning charging network.
3. They were running out of places willing to sign over their land/get approvals for a single make charging lot. Local governments actually recognised charging was important to their towns and instead of approving Tesla applications without question have started requiring shared infrastructure.
Not sure that’s why the sales fell…
it certainly didn’t help
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sales and profits disagree with them
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what do you think you speak for them
The problem isn't that other cars are allowed to charge. There just needs to be more chargers opening to match the demand. If there are chargers that are at x% capacity for x% of the day then that means there is a higher demand for chargers in the area than the number of chargers and Tesla needs to build them before someone else does. Even with only Teslas charging, the chargers I visit are almost always at high capacity even going into 2am. Charging needs to be standardized and open to all like a gas station or people are not going to want to purchase electric vehicles at all. Competition drives innovation which is ultimately good for us consumers so alternative manufacturers producing electric vehicles should be encouraged. The more people that want/need Tesla chargers the more that need to be built which means more options for owners. I think Tesla focused on sales for too long without a high enough focus on infrastructure needed to support those sales. Putting pressure on that infrastructure is more likely to force it to expand and show the true demand for charging stations.
Even when they work for me they are always twice as expensive as superchargers in the area. I would be using superchargers as much as possible also if I owned a Chevy or Rivian.
Electrify America was formed as a result of the Volkswagen diesel gate environmental emissions fake test incident. As part of the settlement they were forced to commit to build a certain amount of EV infrastructure. All the funding of the network came from that. Electrify America received a cash infusion several years ago from Siemens who is the manufacturing partner for the charging hardware. TLDR; it doesn’t make money and they were forced to build it as a penalty imposed on them.
Maybe Tesla should improve their products instead of giving us the same old same old since 2012
Or give us something new, not just a bumper facelift and Grok. When we start holding Tesla accountable for their stale products sales will improve
This is false but might have been true years ago. There are multiple reliable fast charging networks being built up now. Even EA which had a horrid reputation is much better these days after they did large scale replacements. The Alpitronic HYC400 that Ionna is using is actually technically better than Supercharger stalls in a lot of ways. Tesla will catch back up when they come out with the v4 cabinet (not just the v4 pedestal).
That doesn’t give the full story and assumes bad intentions. Being formed in this way and rushing to build a large network they did make many mistakes namely with the hardware selection on the early stations and with messaging and maintenance and overall immature operations. I would say EA has gotten a lot better over the years and they have actually focused on reliability over growth replacing a lot of the older hardware. The network is pretty decent these days.
musk did that himself
If a restaurant asks me to remove my car from their parking lot before I'm done eating, I will do so and leave. Naturally, without paying for the meal I'm not allowed to finish. Sorry for the part I've already eaten, can't very well spit that out again.
The only one is crazy. Maybe in North America they are the driver behind the EV transition but elsewhere they are not, especially Asia. At least not to the degree that they would be the only one who can save the world. China has many competitors already operating at Tesla's level today, and many countries aren't as protective as the US about letting Chinese EVs in. Arguably Chinese EVs are even better for the transition since they are cheaper, much of the world cannot afford what the average American can in terms of vehicles. A model 3 may be relatively cheap in America but in many other areas it's not. BYD fills that niche. Not hating in Tesla here but I think they're one piece of what's going on, not the hinge of success.
byd the biggest makes ice cars
EA is good now? doubt it.
Yea I don’t blame you. I take no issue with other cars using superchargers, even when it’s busy, but sometimes I’ll see another EV taking up 3 spots because they parked sideways instead of pulling in forwards
No
Yeah we ordered food and had to wait 50 minutes for the dine in pick up options they where also making people plug back in if they where in their car waiting. I’m sure it will work better after they hype but should not be charging if you ordered food
When they implement wireless charging at superchargers, this may become a thing.
Musk and Tesla's AIM was to make EV transition faster. For this, they need to give Supercharger to other automakers, even if it means lower than good experience for existing customers. This is a very good problem to have. Tesla's profit for SC has actually increased this quarter. Now, they will have more leverage to improve/expand the network.
I mean it just makes sense. A closed network and different charging standards makes zero sense long term. Imagine if you could only fill up gas at GM gas stations, that would be terrible. I am glad the NACS standard was opened up and automakers adopted it and Tesla superchargers were opened up. The only small thing is using adapters and charge port locations with shorter cables on the V3 superchargers. All of those things are already solved and will be less of an issue in the future. The future of fast charging for light duty vehicles is hopefully: 500kW (~1,000 V, 500+amps) pull through stalls canopys minimum 8 stalls battery for backup/peak shaving trash cans / squeegees directly attached to a large field with solar farm where possible Tesla will continue to be very profitable in energy storage and delivery if they continue on that path.
Actually, it's not. I plugged in and order food, and it took 1hr and 40 minutes for the order to be ready. Thats about 1hr 20 minutes after the car got fully charged. I just went ahead and unplugged myself.
It's not horrible, but Tesla is way better. Just bought a MachE (after 8 years with a LEAF ) and the first road trip I tried different charges Rs. EA was the least sucky. THEN I got my SC adaptor for the next 3 trips. I'll go out of my way for a SC, although I typically don't have to.
That's just people, not knowing that they can pull in at an angle and only take 2 spots...
I still would have bought a not-a-Tesla without SC access. I don't fast-charge often enough for it to be a decision point. It's just a perk for me, and likely a lot of buyers.
Or pull in straight 😭
I'd love to.... but some of the cables are too short. Happy surprise when they're long enough. But they're all too short to back in, so I have to pull in forwards on the spot to the right, so I take 2 spots if I'm centered or not. Another non tesla can take the spot beside me, then combined both are only effectively blocking 1 spot, but atill....
I really wonder. Lets say you love love love Tesla. Could they ever do you wrong?
Sounds like they need duplicates of the diners in the region.
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