Tesla summer update has been announced 2025.6

What a dud of an update. Not seeing a single change here that matters.

Is this the one with the ai? Because I do NOT want that hot garbage.

Apparently grok is in beta, but does not control our cars yet. So i think so? At least it says at the top of the post. I have not see anything from Tesla etc, just whats seen here.

That's pretty shit :D I wouldve at the very minimum hoped that the accent lines would be smart enough to show turn signals being used and blind spot monitoring. You know.. like Commander already does :P

Is it a fools errand for me to be waiting for the update that says “improved power usage of sentry mode”?

Bring it on

Maybe read the post?

Finally audio setting presets! It’s worth just for this to be able to switch from Podcast appropriate to Music listening equalizer.

I am super stoked for Grok. We often have a streak where we ask a bunch of questions to Siri, but Groks gonna be better.

TL;DR - Grok

Hell yeah now my car can do race science at me

Grok. US only. Rubbish.

It’s a free update. Ask for a refund I guess

Not much love for us Intel owners

The last update now incorrectly activates my windshield wipers when I double click the right scroll button :/

TL;DR mecha Hitler

Very stupid since it can speak easily other languages, just tested yesterday and speaks Portuguese just fine for example.

Actually crazy that you’re expecting the moon for every quarterly update. Light Sync is a very fun feature for me imo, and l’ll never knock charging station improvements. Other manufacturers can only dream of the charging experience Tesla offers to their users.

Will grok be available world wide?

The aging computer will likely have limited update potential from this point forward. It’s 8 years old, what do you think it’s going to get?

Due to AI regulation in the EU

Okay I’ve been waiting for something like light sync, let’s gooo

intel atom L

The exact CPU used was old before being incorporated into Tesla vehicles. IIRC, the Google Nexus Player in 2013 used the same CPU. And it wasn’t a new chip then either.

I hope some of these updates will trickle down to the previous model Y also. That would be cool. :)

I’m not really surprised and not really complaining. I love my car. But something like grok which is just an API call, might have been nice.

Not expecting the moon but everything here just kinda sucks. I have an older Y so light show doesn't matter for me. I dont use super chargers often so knowing if they are valet or not isn't a huge deal. Now, improving sentry mode and cutting down power usage and other practical features would of been nice.

No, because it has been rumoured to be coming eventually, they started working on it due to the Tesla vandalism that started happening at the start of the year.

…for now.

If Grok isn't for voice commands then what's the point?

Nah no refund needed. I'm just going to watch Tesla get lapped by other companies and pick one of them for my next car.

What about the UK. We’re not in the EU.

I read the title... and was like 'Hey, I have that update...' :)

It would be great if it comes with an option of the pre-hitler update.

I hope it has the "unhinged" mode from the phone app. It's hilarious.

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To answer questions, obviously.

Don’t worry. There will be every audio preset you could ever want, maybe. Missing presets you need, definitely

Hopefully the HW4/5 upgrade gives the Intel owners a new MCU CPU since it's all the same kit

I’m trying to figure out what Grok can be used for in the car.

Hopefully the voice command button can be replaced with Grok and eventually it does issue commands to the car. Can’t wait this will be a fun upgrade.

I was asking for confirmation Maybe contribute to discussion?

I dont think the accent lights have individually addressable LEDS, notice that all of the effects change all of the lights at once, none allow partial changes

Light sync with music seems pretty cool

Ugh. Please let us disable/turn off Grok. That thing is a disaster in every sense of the word.

It’ll have it. The official Tesla account posted a video showcasing it.

Yup, just saw it. Thanks!

The commander literally does it

Oh interesting, i wonder why they arent doing nicer effects on the light strips then The rainbow effect for rainbow road would look so much nicer

Nothing too exciting but they can’t all be bangers. One thing I’d really like to see is an “airport” mode or something like that. One setting to turn off sentry, overheat protection, sleep the car when I exit etc. for when you know it’ll be parked for a while, like at the airport. Hate getting somewhere with like 25% battery and knowing full well it’ll be at 20 by the time I get back because of the stationary features. I can either deal with coming back at 20% and have those features turned off due to low battery anyway, or I can go through a handful of settings menus and turn it all off until I’m back, then go back through those menus to turn it all back on. Just wish it were a simpler single toggle I could use when necessary

It doesn’t matter what the car MY is, more when the processor was introduced, and that’s 2017. It’s a little frustrating if you bought at the tail end of the life cycle, especially because there is nothing to indicate this time around that it’s modular, but on the bright side, it’s still faster than any MY22 car I’ve ever sat in. Sometimes I still sit in MY25 cars that my Model Y with Intel processor can beat.

You won't recieve any updates with those other cars let alone lackluster ones.

Well now we’re talking - if you expect massive updates to an 8 year old system then that’s your real problem.

I did this with both my model S and my model Y. I feel the pain. Got a new juniper earlier and I really hope it doesn’t happen to me again.

Hope it is actual presets that we can control and delete and not like the favorites we have now.

Judging from how much the new features have slowed the Intel processor since launch, I’m not surprised they are trying to touch it very minimally as of late.

And US only it seems. I had hoped for some EU love.

it's literally the first line in the post. you are the one choosing to contribute the absolute bare minimum.

Light syncing with turn signal or blindspot indicator would be amazing!

I highly doubt that the Nexus Player (that was released 2014) used an Intel Atom x5-E8000 chip that was released in 2016. It used the at the time current mobile chip Z3560.

Yes, it’s old, we agree. The first Tesla used it 8 years ago, that’s what my reference frame here is. Probably the most proper reference considering the team of engineers supporting the hardware is only concerned with its use in the vehicles and systems they support.

If you read the post you'll understand what Groks limitations are. This is good news

Says (US, AMD) so it’ll probably just be in the US for some reason.

You have to opt in, so you can relax.

We're getting an AI chat bot in the car. Pretty cool for a free update.

For when you're lonely.

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Is it confirmed they’re actually going to do upgrades?

TLDR Grok that does nothing for the car’s functionality

I’m gonna spoil it for you, the processor (both for the self driving and the MCU) is going to be outdated again.

It will require premium convectively, so at worst you need to remove that.

Learning about stuff you're interested in while you're on a drive.

Well, of course it will be outdated eventually. I just hope it doesn’t happen immediately like the other two cars. My S was produced three, THREE, days before they switched over to MCU2 or whatever it was called then. My Y was produced a week before they switched to AMD.

When you put it that way I'd pay the update.

The least desirable feature in history. I’d prefer they update the fart app

I thought we already have 2025.20.6? I am on 2024 X

meh

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same

What is that building to my left? Maybe?

HW5 is definitely in the pipeline. I’d be surprised if it’s not out in 2026 at least on robotaxis.

Is there a link to an official page?

You can tell the engineering teams are swamped with the robo taxi folly. The firmware updates for FSD have also slowed to a trickle. Such a unique and amazing car. I hope they don't forget their bread and butter.

Enjoy your crappy new car

Or non-US

I recently paid to have my computer replaced as my old one's 4g connection had failed. The fuckers gave me another Intel computer.

I mean, that feels totally expected though

Honestly, this is the only thing I care about when it comes to those lights in my car lol.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ju_Akq2Svg0

I'm glad mechahitler can't yet issue commands to my car.

You don’t get curious about random shit while driving? I think this is a great feature.

Shit.

They're going to have to or buy back our FSD upgrades if they can't deliver

It’s because FSD automatically puts wipers into Auto mode

Good luck with that

Only if you’re polite

I see a lot of people upset because eventually they’re hardware becomes outdated. This is the world we live in. It happens with your car. It happens with your phone. It just happens and that’s when you either live with it or buy a new one. I see people complaining, but can you really expect newer things and newer code and newer Programs and apps to work with older machines. Does anyone here remember the IBM 386 machines what would they do today? They would be able to hold your door open, possibly but that’s about it.

So in my car I just use Gemini live via the Bluetooth..easy mode and by looks of it has the same functionality to the car ..

He committed hard verbally several during the last in person event which is enough to get Tesla in a lot of legal trouble if he doesn’t

That's most likely true. Once they slow down on development on the latest product, they will probably have time to back port it to us Intel users.

I don’t know why you’re saying that unhinged mode is hilarious. I don’t get that. It was swearing at me and it called me a pussy. I don’t really like my devices to be calling me bad things like that. Plus it offended my cat. My cat was like, I’m a pussy. Why are you trying to take away my identity? It caused a lot of upheaval and my cat might need to go into therapy now.

[https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2735/teslas-hw3-upgrade-what-tesla-has-announced-what-to-expect](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2735/teslas-hw3-upgrade-what-tesla-has-announced-what-to-expect)

I am actually looking forward to getting presets for the audio settings. There is sometimes I like it more basy and other times I don’t and I’d like to be able to change settings and not have to take a picture of the screen each time so I can go back to an old one this will really be great. I wish they would add presets like that for a seat adjustment as well. That way under your own profile you can pick if you want a relax seat or maybe a more aggressive seat position depending on how you’re feeling or how long your drive is that way you wouldn’t have to manually adjust it you can just pick a preset under your profile just to change the seat.

Is it even possible to upgrade Intel to AMD though?

tl;dr if you have Intel, get bent you are never getting anything new again, even if you bought it in 2023. Tbh Grok really should be Intel too. It’s literally server based. I’ve called into ChatGPT using a RP3 with like, no processing power, this is plain gatekeeping to get folks to upgrade. Since all Intel has HW3, they’re probably trying to push upgrades by locking us out of features so they have less HW3 to give free upgraded FSD computers to.

If you look out your window on your left... ...you will see what is known... ...as the Pacific Ocean. On your right side, you will see... ...the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

Playback controls back in the dashcam app, fuckin finally!! We already had that once before, and they took it away when they rolled out the grid view.

This is never going to happen. They’re going to do the bare minimum that is required to get HW3 people that paid full price FSD, but they’re going to intentionally leave out the MCU. But even before that, they’re going to push every little features as needed to Intel to try to force people to upgrade on their own, that way it’s even less FSD computers they need to upgrade. Us Intel folks are gonna be getting bent on every update that comes.

I’m sure Tesla will offer a retro fit eventually. They did for the early S & X and those were both low volume vehicles.

Tesla has a plan for this, you can definitely get these updates. You just need to find your nearest service center and purchase a new car.

I would insist that it’s spoken in David Attenborough’s voice.

Yes, but I think a large majority of the anger comes from the fact that previously Tesla has always made a point to offer even a paid update to hardware. It’s very blatant. They don’t want to do this anymore, since it cuts into upgrades. Furthermore, there’s a large number of people that despite the hardware, being aged, the car is still brand new. I’m in firm belief that if you purchased a 2023, you shouldn’t have to be knowledgeable about what the CPU is, and then stop getting updates two years later.

Makes sense, thank you. Let me sell a perfectly fine car for a slightly better car.

What the actual F.

Look, I’m not saying it’s right, and I don’t agree with it as a current owner, but it’s just the facts of business right now. This is not the same company it used to be where you could indefinitely. Keep your car updated with new hardware, it’s a simple fact that anybody that isn’t going to actively give Tesla more money, it is pretty much dead to them.

LOL. Nothing for Europe.

They only did that because mcu1 had a recall for the memory chip wearing out. Offering an upgrade that people pay $1500-$2500 for is much better for the company than having to issue recalls every time new reports of the backup camera screen failing to load (which is a federal mandated safety feature).

That's normal, you want them to use proven stable chips in something like a car. NASA probes are often rocking a CPU that's more than a decade old.

It’s just obsolescence things just become outdated and they just are becoming a quicker and quicker as technology is moving at a ridiculously rapid pace. I don’t think Tesla does anything on purpose that I think if it was up to them, they would give everybody the updates which they’ve been doing in the past. However, it’s just apparent certain things they can’t do anymore. Certain things require Ryzen or HW4. You just need to know when you buy a car now it could be starting to get obsolete almost immediately. I updated to a new model three Highland a little over six months ago. Now that car doesn’t have a front bumper camera that every other car has so already it’s well less than capable of other cars. It’s just the way things are and we just have to get used to it and nobody likes it. My last model 3 I loved. But it was HW3, and it didn’t have infrared so I couldn’t use self driving at night because it needed to make sure I was paying attention so I had to use my phone and an app to light up the cabin enough. It was just getting silly. So I decided with all these things I needed to make an upgrade, but I don’t have the money or the patience to upgrade all the time. I’m somebody that would keep cars for 6 to 10 years in the past and I’d like to keep this one as long as possible, but I understand that one day it’s just not gonna have everything that the others have.

I'm so sorry to hear that 😟

I noticed a mentality shift also unfortunately the last year or so. The new Y is a really nice looking car but I will not sell my perfectly fine Y22 for it. I accept that there will be a day I won’t get any updates anymore. This will happen for all c models sooner or later. It would be nice if some of those feuriges find their way in older models, but if not… I’m still driving a Tesla I’m proud off.

Which is fine, if previously Tesla didn’t take a stand of keeping their current car supported on the road with hardware updates. Ryzen is literally the first time they haven’t had an offer to retrofit, which is a pretty good indicator to me that they’ve shifted in. We would rather people buy an upgrade, then actually be supported.

Agree! I’ve seen that shift too. Personally can’t wait until my order number is called for my R2 tbh.

I agree with you as far as offering hardware updates. In reality, Tesla would be serving their customers and even making money if they would offer hardware updates and updates in general. One thing I always thought would be great was to make a Tesla quote upgrade shop, which would be separate from service so service would actually be working on people’s cars for service and this “upgrade shop” can be used for all sorts of upgrades that they don’t seem to do and a lot of it probably has to do with that. They don’t have the manpower or the time where the infrastructure to get it done Because it would be large amounts of people that would want these upgrades. An upgrade shop would do things like upgrade the hardware version, upgrade the cameras, add a front bumper camera if needed, upgrade the CPU, add infrared to the cabin camera if it doesn’t have it, and a whole bunch of things like that. Plus, you can do installs on things like Homelink and that type of thing as well. There would be so many people coming in to get things done and Tessa would make a lot of money and they would have a whole new revenue stream right there plus people would be happy because even though their cars are older or what not they would be able to get them upgraded. Now on the other hand that might mean the Tesla would sell less new cars, but the reality is some people like to keep their cars for many many years and this would help them stick with Teslas and when they finally do need to get a new car, they would get a Tesla because of that type of service.

You can do that now with the Enhance Auto Commander: https://youtu.be/qYD50_bf9bw

That’s a Rivian, no? I’m falling in love with the Polestar 4. It’s way more expensive than my MYLR22 for the equivalent specs. Way out of my budget unfortunately. I’ll keep my current car 🙂

Oh wait, make it sync with the blind spot detection, lane detection, and just for fun emergency braking too

It's grok voice mode that can be used while driving. One of the few Tesla apps that can be used while driving, making this absolutely useful.

This is why I’m waiting before jumping on Juniper Y. I have a 2023 Y HW4 and all. Saw juniper and it’s still the same HW4 and AMD. Once this Robotaxi really shows the hard limitations and forces them back to the drawing board I’ll be more amicable to upgrading. Just to add they’re still only running 4g modems.

Update as in more variety of farts?

Have any recommendation for equalizer settings between different things?

This is sad. I want it as soon as possible 🥹

There is only the secret Hitler update before it got uncorked

Yeah but why buy when Tesla can push it out as an update for $FREE. 😁

Tesla will be the first car capable of erotic role play.

I’d rather they prioritised delivering on a hardware upgrade path tbh

I am just hoping for fix to give us back the "double press" to activate autosteer. Currently highway driving is pretty unpleasant

From a user perspective, yes. From an engineering perspective, Tesla needs to wait to see if HW4 is sufficient. Tesla already made a mistake upgrading HW2.5 to HW3 for free for FSD users. Given an earlier [report](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2655/teslas-fsd-v13-pushes-hw4-hardware-capabilities-end-of-line-for-hw3) that HW4 is going to hit memory limitations, HW5 variant (or even HW4 upgraded) might be a viable solution.

That sucks - I didn't realize how long they kept the Intel MCU. We have it in our 2018 Model 3..

I mean they clearly said this is a beta and doesn’t issue commends at the moment. They will get there eventually, I’m sure they just want to be super careful asking for more air doesn’t eject you outside of the car F-16 style instead of rolling down the windows lmao

Please stop with this stupid meme.

Awesome - if I was 11 yo. Give us something useful!!

That or get sued. They did sell FSD.

For reference, the Ryzen is something like 3.5-5x more powerful, and has twice as much RAM. For local AI use, the RAM may be the biggest problem. The Atom chip Passmark score is 741 / 2071 (single and multicore). The Ryzen MCU is close to a desktop Ryzen 2500X, which has a score of 2327 / 9455.

Good grief. This thread is littered with this idiotic talking point. Just don't use the feature if you're this worried about the response from an AI chat bot when you give it prompts carefully structured to elicit a racist reply. You could also, oh I don't know, maybe not work so hard to give it such prompts.

It's funny how often private companies get blamed for the idiotic regulations that limit their ability to deliver products to interested customers.

Ok Hitler 🎵 to activate is pretty straight forward.

Just ignore if it you're that eager to protect your virtue. The rest of us will use it as the tool it's intended. You do realize you don't have to deliberately structure your prompt in an effort to elicit a racist response, right? You can have just normal conversations with it.

Ok Hitler = Roll down the windows. Its going to be sweet.

We don’t need the fking chatbot. We need a grok that can change car settings

Doomers are worried that humans are being conditioned by AI chatbots to not read original content, opting instead for an AI summary. But then here you are, somebody who apparently wants to avoid AI, and you also won't read original content long enough to see the first headline item.

They pushed their chatbot so hard to the right that it's flagrantly antisemitic and fascistic. It's not a meme. It's a disgusting example of where conservatism has gone in the US

If you are an Intel user in Europe, FU. Anyway, if you are in Europe, shitty update. Disco ambient lights, yaaaaaaay…

It is not. It just had fewer guardrails than other chatbots. It was fed garbage prompts and provided garbage responses. This is like complaining that any tool gives you garbage results if you provide garbage inputs. The fear of imaginary villains is so omnipresent these days. It's sad.

*So ronery.*

Yeah but grok is not run locally. They just send your prompt to their servers

it can be used to instill patriotic fervor and love of the fatherland

Even if I did, I’m not looking for answers from mechahitler.

This has nothing to do with the performance of the Intel Chip, its just API calls to Grok, even the very first Tesla could manage that.

So far, fsd has been acting a bit weird. Directions show it should go right but it wants to go left.

Sure it has something to do with the chip, I doubt Tesla engineers are planning to start releasing truncated feature sets for Intel now as they have a clear track record of leaving legacy systems alone as they age vs putting a reduced capability version on them. Highly unlikely that the roadmap is to leave Grok in current form, so they’re just leaving it out altogether. I’m not saying it’s *good* or that I *like* it. I’m simply saying it’s to be expected and I for one am not surprised at all.

I hear real ones are waiting for HW6

Stable chips don’t need to be that many years old, and especially when you’re aggressively building a consumer software platform in a car with complex learning algos.

The Nvidia Tegra was from 2012-2017, Intel from 2017-2022, so based on the assumption they update every 6 years, the next processor is probably coming in 2027.

Notably the difference between my car and a space probe is that I want to run a UI with a ton of different elements with very fast response times. Car and space probes in general don’t have a while ton of similarities imo.

You have a link where I can read more about that recall?

Fair, though the application still requires some resources to run on top of everything else.

https://www.tesla.com/support/8gb-emmc-recall-frequently-asked-questions

That’s quite a stretch. Getting in early-mid cycle works out pretty well. I imagine HW5 comes in two or three years.

The screen is also a safety device.

How close were you to the cutoff? My 22 MY from March is a HW3 Ryzen

I have Intel and fine with the functionality I have. What I’m not fine with is that the recent ‘security update’ has screwed my rear camera.

Yea like a wetness slider.

Does it include mecha* oh I mean grok

Grow up.

> making this absolutely useful. how..?

I thought they were supposed to start installing it on all new vehicles by the end of 2025?

Wow... I've probably been more exited about some random .1.1 update than this

What happened to your rear camera?

So you’re telling me all I have to do to keep Grok out of my car is to keep *not* paying for premium connectivity? Done and done!

Technically, this really is Grok, now with fart mode. Because looking at groks history and ability, being able to fart is.. actually pretty on brand now.

They should really let us be able to have the ambient lights on while in theater mode

You can ask it to make jokes about minorities and all kinds of other rad stuff Sarcastic about it being rad — I’m sure grok would do it

Make this man a Tesla OS product manager

Is that light update only available on Junipers?

Anyone know when the Model Y Performance is coming out?

Someone needs an /s apparently HW5 is probably needed for any version of level 3 Tesla pushes to customer cars, letalone higher levels.

Fortunately the critical functions like emergency brakes and windshield wipers as well as shifting gears can all be handled without it, but I get what you’re saying.

I doubt it’s getting on anything that’s MY2025

Thanks! Bought FSD so I’m hoping

Highland, juniper, and the refreshed S/X that just came out with the light interior change

2015 Model S owner here - I didn't get a recall for the MCU1, but with years of unrepentant software updates from a team of ex-Apple engineers giving zero fucks about legacy hardware, it finally bricked itself ~4-5 years ago or so, and I was forced to upgrade to the MCU2. I can't imagine there are too many MCU1 vehicles still kicking around.

I hope with the new audio setting updates that it prevents a Model Y and Model 3 EQ from syncing between vehicles. My M3 has a much louder sub so I have to EQ it lower but then my MY sounds tinny and not bassy enough. They should treat audio like they treat seats and air conditioning vents. Those don't sync between different models.

Wait how do I know which version of those my MY is

I suspect they still need to make voice recognition locally, just to figure out if it needs to be sent to the cloud or not.

So what good is grok? I can ask what the weather is gonna ne like? lol

What happened to Banish?

Super pissed about this. Id pay to upgrade if it was an option.

Intel cars were obsolete the day they were sold

Hardware becoming outdated is not the issue. The issue concerns Tesla’s promise that purchasing FSD meant that your car could eventually perform the FSD that was promised. If IBM sold people a 386 machine by promising that the 386 machine would eventually be capable of doing things a 386 machine could never do, that would be a more apt comparison.

> that was released 2014 I was going off of memory. You're right, it was Winter 2014. I misremembered by one year. > used an Intel Atom x5-E8000 chip that was released in 2016. It used the at the time current mobile chip Z3560. The Google Nexus Player used the 1.8ghz Atom Z3560. This processor used 4 "Moorefield" cores based on the Silvermont architecture, fabricated on the 22nm process, and clocked at up to 1.83hz. The Silvermont product stack launched in 2013, but yes, you're right, that specific model was only a few months old when the Nexus Player launched using it. Tesla's MCU2, however, uses the Intel Atom x7-E3950 (not the x5-E8000). This CPU used 4 "Apollo Lake" cores based on the Goldmont architecture, fabricated on the 14nm process, and clocked at 1.6ghz base (2.0ghz burst). This CPU model was launched in late 2016. Goldmont was the successor to Silvermont. This was at a time when Intel's CPU generations were stagnant. So while they weren't literally the same thing, they were quite literally low power Intel Atom quad-core CPUs with a similar clock speed, power target, and performance envelope.

When did you buy it?

Will Canada owner get the Grok update?

I saw on their website’s Grok faq that they may bring Grok to the other older models with a future update.

So as much power as a smart speaker that handles "Alexa..."

Honestly, depends on the mood. XAI engineers (or Musk himself) is always tinkering with it, so it is the luck of a draw on whether you get mechaHitler or something super woke.

I have an August 22 model 3 and it’s not intel, they switched over the late spring I think.

You haven’t thought about a scenario where you’d want to activate MechaHitler?

MechaHitler while you drive, obviously

So the same thing the car does when you search for music using your voice? I'm not sure what'd be different to send text to grok.

HW5 might be 1 or 2 years away, who knows. Elon times are unpredictable. I would never wait for a newer model/feature unless it is announced for next month or so.

Enough horsepower to be capable of actual FSD, like I was promised when I bought it.

This update does not deliver FSD to any versions of the currently supported computers, so that’s a bit of a tangent. However, I can tell you now that if you’re on a HW3 car with Intel, your hardware isn’t getting FSD without an upgrade.

Oh, I know. I don't think it's going to get it, at all. Musk has even stated that HW3 won't be capable of it. But it's what I was sold, so I still "expect" it.

So Intel Only, US only and no connection to the rest of the car? Useless, even if you get it. Sounds more like an Elon wanted that feature than proper product management

You’ll probably end up getting a reimbursement for what you paid in a couple more years when they deliver a version that works for their robotaxis but for now they want to limit any of that for the sake of stock value I’m sure.

İf it's the newer design, then it's supported. Otherwise it is not

They will get there incrementally.

Nonsense, Grok voice mode is available in the EU. This is just to limit server load, shit is expensive to run and at 10€/month a few requests will be a straight up loss.

Full self dri….. oh. Some unnecessary AI bullshit. Ok.

I don't know about Grok specifically, but it'd be nice to have an LLM that could be instructed to read out daily planning emails while I'm driving to work. It'd be great to be able to instruct it in natural language to take notes when I have ideas, and to find correct phone contacts and navigation destinations. And, of course, everybody needs an in-car assistant capable of drafting sexual threats against Will Stancil

I agree. I doubt that there will be any kind of reimbursement, though, unfortunately. I think it will actually be cheaper for them to design a HWX variant and retrofit it than pay $8k - $13k to each buyer at some point. The HW4 form factor isn't an option on these cars, but a future version might be. Honestly, I really expect them to just make excuses and hide behind legalese and ultimately not resolve this at all. They'll probably be "generous" and allow any HW3 cars to transfer their licenses to a new car.

Yes! Don’t care too much about Grok, and I won’t have Light Sync (which is pretty cool for those who do tbh), but… Auto equalizer settings! I can’t tell you how many times I have to manually change those if I want to watch Netflix while parked! Usually I turn up the sub for my music while driving (for instance), but I almost always forget about it before I open Netflix… I literally have to close Netflix just to open and change the audio settings, then reload my show/movie all over again. Hopefully they have a way to access this from the streaming apps without closing them? (Or perhaps they will remember different settings per app automatically) But even without that, being able to save a variety of presets will help immensely

Whomp, whomp

In my experience, Sentry Mode uses like what… 1% every 4 hours? Seems perfectly fine to me Then again, I only use it when I’m out and about. I have it set to Auto Enable, except at home/work (where I don’t need it) Perhaps 6%/day would be a bit annoying? If you truly need it 24/7…

Gotta love all the people complaining… Meanwhile, the vast majority of other cars get no updates at all (unless they’re like bug fixes/critical security fixes, maybe). A bit spoiled, aren’t we? 😅 Personally, I bought my Tesla for the features it had when I bought it. Any free software updates at this point are pure gravy Not that I wouldn’t love for them to give me the moon and all… But I also know that the Tesla OS isn’t exactly their top priority, even if they are miles ahead of any other brand. Sure, there’s a few minor inconveniences here and there that I would love to change, but they wouldn’t even amount to major new features per se (more like rearranging the way certain functions operate to be more convenient) Their top goals are ultimately physical production and FSD development… But hey, even FSD updates are free upgrades to me

Typo in the title… Should be 2025.26

Because sexy buttons is so much more . You can stick the buttons at any place in the car and give them multiple functions to control any part of the car. Even for your passenger(s). I love it , I have a button on my home charging station so I can voice control all commands standing outside the car . Partially disabled drivers can have control at the location needed within minutes without the service of specialised companies .

Yeah… The only thing that sucks is that it’s very difficult (or impossible) to upgrade the computer in your car, due to their proprietary nature As a tech guy who has always built his own computers, I just wish that non-essential car technology could have gone the same way… Like sure, you don’t want the end user messing with the microcontrollers that actually drive the car. But the infotainment systems are on a completely separate network… It would have been nice if there were just standardized “cards”/“motherboards” that I could stick in my car. (Though I certainly understand why that never happened, especially with the toxic dealership model… No traditional manufacturer was ever going to move towards standardization) And while I understand that’s the way it is, at the same time, I shouldn’t have to replace my entire car just to get a faster computer. It’s entirely different from replacing your phone, the vast majority of which *is* a computer. I love my Model S the way it is. I don’t need new car features. I just want a faster computer But again, I realize that’s ultimately the point… The car industry has spent decades trying to sell people on a brand new car “every year”, even when there are no new features. Change the color/style just a little bit every year, and now your car suddenly looks outdated! Computer technology only helps them with these goals unfortunately, as now they have something more than just an aesthetic change to offer, if you upgrade. Changes in “car” technology weren’t always fast enough for that every year, but changes in computer technology certainly are… I’m still holding out hope that maybe someone, somewhere will come out with an upgradable car computer. (Even if it’s a 3rd party company that simply allows you to customize your main computer… If it takes enough hold, then the OEMs would eventually be forced to offer such upgrades directly)

I thought we were talking about the Tesla OS in this post, not FSD But for what it’s worth, the FSD promise hasn’t been broken (yet, if ever, remains to be seen) FSD development hasn’t even been “completed” yet, regardless of which hardware your Tesla has. They have to be reasonably finished developing the FSD software first before they can figure out the best course of action If they determine that FSD still works on HW3, then they don’t need to do anything. And if it doesn’t work, then they will upgrade those with HW3 (as they have stated many times… Not to mention they have already done it before. I used to have a 2017 Model S w/ HW 2.5, and they upgraded me to HW3 completely for free. I have zero doubt that they will upgrade HW3 users if/when it becomes necessary, but now is not the time. It wouldn’t make any sense to do so yet) (Side Note: There are techniques in machine learning that allow them to reduce the number of nodes in a given neural net by a factor of 5-10x, if not more. This may or may not be enough to allow HW3 to run essentially the same software, but no one knows yet. So while HW4 gives them a lot more compute to work with in the fleet training phase, it might still be possible to back propagate an optimized version to HW3 Yes, in the long run they will simply use the extra compute in HW4/HW5/etc. to add superhuman driving modes/other bonus features via a much larger neural network, which HW3 won’t be able to keep up with. In other words, the FSD software will always be improving, even after it’s “solved”, so every FSD computer will become outdated eventually. But as for what I’m going to call FSD 1.0, it remains to be seen how much compute is actually needed, considering that “1.0” software doesn’t exist just yet)

' drive me to Barcelona, book my favorite room , table for two at 2 o'clock with seaviews, and wake me up 5 minutes before arrival'

An ESP32 is enough to do wakeword recognition

As someone who has been using FSD for almost 4 years, this “trickle” has happened several times before In a way, it’s actually a good thing. It means they are currently working out the kinks in the next big step change of FSD performance. I have witnessed at least 4 such trickles (followed by massive changes) over the past few years, and the current version is night and day vs what my first FSD version was capable of Robo Taxi is only tangentially related… In the sense that they wouldn’t have released robo taxi service in the first place if they weren’t on the verge of the final step change that “solves” FSD In other words, the trickle (which shows they are on the verge of something big) is causing robo taxi to exist, not the other way around Hopefully you’re not reading too many “news” articles about Tesla (“robo taxi folly”? According to who?). The robo taxi lauch was actually very good, quite frankly. I would recommend trying it for yourself (difficult), or at the very least watch some 1st hand videos from those who have One thing I can guarantee you, is that regardless of how the launch went, the media was always going to paint it negatively. Tesla is just a brand that many non-Tesla owners love to hate. So with that, combined with the fact that Tesla refuses to pay the media for advertising, Tesla FUD is an easy content generation machine for their 24-hour “news” cycle (with little to no monetary consequences). As always, follow the money. The vast majority of what they say about Tesla is false (especially when negative), and any truths they do tell are unfortunately not worth my time to find… Which is a shame, because Tesla isn’t perfect. I’m not saying they are by any means, just that it’s impossible to learn anything fair/useful from traditional media sources (Luckily, as someone who actually owns a Tesla with FSD, I already know how good it is from 1st hand experience, so they can’t really lie to me about it lol)

It feels like it uses 1% an hour to me on my 2019 SR+

I used to do the seat preset thing by just making additional profiles. (This was before profiles were synced to the cloud) It’s still possible to do, but you have to add a local profile (which would only be saved on that car) Definitely not as convenient as your idea, but a possible workaround. (Some settings will have to be re-enabled, such as anything to do with FSD/Autopilot/etc. It assumes this profile might be a new person, so you have to accept the agreements again, and reinitialize any custom settings you had for those features) One downside with this under the current system is that it saves HVAC/music/Netflix/etc separately per profile… So if I change seating profiles while driving, my music might shut off, or the AC might change (though there’s only a few temperatures I usually use) 😅 Once you’re logged into your music/Netflix/etc accounts under all profiles, it mostly works… Especially if you just have a small number of convenient playlists that you typically use (as opposed to if you frequently use custom searches or something), though you might restart from a different song (not sure, haven’t used it much yet)

Being available generally and being available in a car are two separate things.

Yes. Why do you think the different availability has anything to do with the EU?

It's less work to build it to support 1 system architecture vs 2.

"By the end of the year". They used a promised timeframe to not only entice people to buy FSD, but buy the car itself over competitors. There was no hardware version promise or no processor promise. Buying the car meant you would have access to level 5 self-driving soon. It was very clearly promised by the CEO's words, and the companies website as you clicked through the buttons to buy the car. Yes, the promise has been broken yearly since 2019. Again, stop defending Tesla, they wrong sometimes (in fact often).

You actually think they'd buy it back and not wiggle out of it somehow?

Hasn’t Tesla been touted as a software company on wheels? Are you suggesting that hardware and software should not get over-the-air updates? Are you suggesting that those who bought FSD based on Tesla’s promises should not get updates that make advancements towards fulfilling those promises? Are you long on TSLA?

think about how many times you wish you could google something while driving, like you saw a weird building, or a historic park or need a reminder later to buy a birthday card, or in my case you want to fact check something you are discussing with your SO. You'll be able to have a conversation with essentially Google thru Grok while driving....or if you needed advice on how to bring up the fact that you got the herp to your new gf, while also trying to figure out whats the best way to get rid of it. Or need suggestions where to buy an apology present for a mid 20's person, while on the route to them. Or best place you buy rope, duct tape and shovel. Or whats the quickest route to mexico without needing to stop at border patrol. All without needing to touch your phone!

dude c'mon...not the place

Who said anything about an 8 year old system? A MY could be barely a year old and not have the interior colored lights.

Look like a minor update to me

Look like a minor update to me

Ah ok

Are you planning on only purchasing Tesla cars for the rest of your life? Weird to call a hypothetical car being made in the future crappy.

This is cool and very useful. Tesla should definitely add this feature in their builds. (Off course easier said then done)

For podcasts lower the sub and bass -3-4, lows 0, mid a -1-2 and highs +1-2. Other music up to your preference and genre.

The Facebook guy says we can have AI friends.

I don’t think it will be - the comped service appointment on top of the hardware plus the dev costs will probably outweigh the price to repay current purchasers with sub HW4 vehicles. Many people will continue to use their free transfers up instead of suing for money back. I see the group that staunchly refuses to do that as relatively small by comparison to the group that continues to buy the better version. I’m sure it will also be easy for Tesla to ignore those who have bought cars with FSD on the secondary market as they have no purchase agreement for FSD. Ultimately though, it’s all about the stock price, if and when it can hide the hit they’re taking, that’s when people will get mass repayments and notifications the software is done short of its goal on the old HW

Tesla first started building that interior you’re referring to in early 2021, so the interior isn’t less than a year old, it’s a little over 4 years old, the computer of a MY21 car is 8 years old which is why *I* said it was an 8 year old system. The newer computers in the MY24 Model Y does get basically every single one of these features save for one due to having the Ryzen MCU and HW4. Regardless, would you complain about any other manufacturer updating their interiors across one MY and then claim they owed you an update to your interior as well? Tesla pushes features enabled by the new hardware they build, sometimes things can go backwards and sometimes they do not. Your car obviously doesn’t have LEDs so it’s not going to get LED features.

I would if my car is only two years old. But it depends on need, want, and timing. I only really WANT the cooled seats on the new Y. I don’t care about anything else in it.

Bud, I think you’re really confused 😂

Super woke like acknowledging basic verifiable facts and settled science

I’m pretty clear on SDLCs, it’s my job.

That explains a good bit about your lack of social and conversational awareness!

Nothing extra about grok is local. Even if voice to text was transcribed locally, the regular voice commands already do that for Intel cars.

I’ve had 3 Tesla’s and this is normal to exclude some features from older ones. Sometimes it’s the hardware limitation, but I’m sure some of it is a FOMO tactic…they need to find some way to incentivize you to buy a new car as often as possible. It’s really not a bad business decision. Edit: I also wanted to add that I’ve also never owned a car that actually shipped and then later, you get a major feature update. It almost feels more like phones today instead of 15-20 years ago. The only way you’re getting that new game is to buy a phone with it!

Got one for my m3 highland and it’s an amazing feature having the lights indicate people in my blind spot! Highly recommend!

Intel users, look away.

Does Grok voice mode search too? Idk why people find only voice mode to be "useless". There's many times I'd love to just ask it a question about history or a location. Sure I can do that on my phone too, but I can also play Spotify and watch YT on my phone. It's way more convenient and a little safer doing it on my car I do really hope Tesla sees the potential for better integrations with Grok in the future like commands or even an assistant, but just voice mode itself can be useful too

Correct me if I'm wrong - Lets say you think about something, you have questions with Grok to expand on that thought, your findings are of interest to you so you want to continue the "conversation" at a later date. Grok is right up your alley.

I actually was hired specifically because I’m so bad at talking to people, how did you know?

Got it, so it takes 0 bytes of memory and no CPU for the Grok app to work? no local caching of data? :)

2023 model

They still sell it today for $2500 as an upgrade for early S owners. And claim that it's current, modern hardware.

Even less for us Tegra owners

>Ryzen is literally the first time they have an offer offered a retrofit, what? You can pay to upgrade the tegra cars to intel.

The promise that I'd be able to summon my car from anywhere in north america to anywhere else in north america within 2 years through over the air updates as of 2015 on hardware that has now not seen any sort of update at all in literal years, I'd say has been broken.

Would you rather they stop offering the upgrade from tegra?

Wait, what favorites?

Not every engineer can work on self driving. At some point, you get "too many cooks" and the returns are diminishing. Also, this "AI bullshit" is part of one of the most significant advancements in human history. No car company is even remotely close to Tesla in full self driving. Tesla has been working their asses off for years with some of the most brilliant minds and an insane amount of computational resources. If it was so easy, then every vehicle manufacturer would have FSD by now by just adding more bodies to the problem. And one final comment... FSD has gotten pretty damned good. I have been a Tesla owner since 2019 and have been through some really rough updates. It has come a long way in that time.

This is for interior lighting. No, 2023 does not have that. The body styling of the newer Y (Juniper) is quite a bit different. You'll know if you see one.

Wow what we’ve all been waiting for… 🤣

Anyone recieve the update yet?

Why don’t I get this update in 2024 model 3 performance edition

It’s not out yet, but OK

The added front bumper camera maybe needed for next gen FSD. I would guess next gen FSD may have two versions, one for HW5 and one for HW4. As long as all cameras are ready and be able to capture the all around images, processing images and inference depends on HW, but they can make a smaller model that HW4 can handle while larger model on HW5, using the same training pipeline, data and model architecture. HW4 is and will be dominant among Tesla vehicles, considering the cut of federal EV incentives and Tesla sales slide. My wild guess is FSD v14 will work on both HW4 and HW5 (maybe slight performance diff), and HW5 required FSD won't come til 2027 or even 2028

The front bumper camera is a very mild issue. The B pillar cameras are the biggest problem for reliable data in unprotected turns. All the other self driving competitors have cameras in front of the driving position to "look down" the lane. It's absolutely insane that Tesla still has such a glaring omission with their sensor suite.

Myopic responses. Think in the future. Everything has a starting point. This is it. 🤖

Get real, that's too far out!!!

8% overnight for me on a '23 MY LR

Yeah see I think that’s unacceptable. I think I read somewhere the system uses 800W per hour, and it’s because it uses the HV battery and it therefore uses the cooling pump to keep the battery cool. But 800W for however many cameras and recording is ridiculous.

i recently visited some friends and got to turn it off for the first time since i live in an apartment and boy was the difference insane i never expected to sit inside and it be at the same % that i left it at the night before lol

That koolaid taste good, does it? I’m also a long term Tesla owner, a software engineer and I’m well aware of how complicated AI and FSD are. I paid for FSD with the car and Tesla still haven’t delivered it. I don’t need ai in my car. I need what they advertised to be in 2017 and I paid for to ship.

Under rated comment. Like I’d rather have an AI we can assign variables of let’s say, # of Taco Bell bean and cheese burritos eaten X hours ago and the algorithm determines the bass, reverb, length, wetness of a fart. Thus creating an infinite number for fart simulations. Expand this with the Tesla Vision neural net to determine the fart characteristics of an individual caught by Sentry to fart at them the precise calculation of what Tesla AI deems their fart would sounds like. Until this is achieved no level of self driving or rocket launches to Mars will come close to the effect this has on humankind.

When are they going to upgrade the ryzens. Zen 6 is coming next year to other devices.

It could be a while longer yet (3-4 years). Chip improvements are getting slower with each year. The Playstation 5 (2020) has Zen 2 also, and PS5 Pro (2024) still has Zen 2. Even Zen 5 9950X is only about 2X single threaded (or per thread) performance of the Ryzen 2500X.

Is single threaded performance the primary use case for car software?

Not sure if you have been living under a rock but it's AI time baby, we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this and we need to be able to say we have customers, so we're going to stuff this trash everywhere we can.

Single threaded - or really - "per thread" performance is what determines responsiveness to the user with the UI. In terms of total compute - A 4 core / 8 thread Zen 2 is still a TON of computing power for a car. The only reason you'd need faster is if you're playing Steam games on it :). I can't think of a scenario where adding more cores (multithreaded performance) would improve the car ownership experience otherwise.

Is it all in German or can you select English?

I see, thank you.

Do you really not use chatgpt or Gemini for anything? It's good for delivering summarized info. Not perfect but getting better. Not sure about grok. Besides the racism I've found it to be better than I ever expected. Again, not perfect at all and clearly not in the lead

Lol, sweet summerchild..