Tesla Expected to Add Turn Signal Stalk Back to Model 3

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Hopefully, they’ll retrofit all the Highlands they’ve sold.

Give us a choice! No one wants that stupid stalk.

Hell yea.

I don’t want mine retrofit. I really do like not having stalks.

I want it! Too many roundabouts here. It’s impossible to signal on them.

Then you don't have to.

No one except for almost everyone

Usually responses to my comments are unintelligent, but this one has merit.

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I’m having with my stalkless 3, but I would like the option to retrofit it for when I come to selling it (if it isn’t an autonomous car with a steering wheel removed by then, obviously…) It’s a little annoying they decided all cars would go stalkless, then immediately reverted their decision.

Thanks for letting us know.

Then don't get the retrofit? Tesla isn't going to be going from door to door replacing parts, believe me.

Zero chance this happens

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I mean, you were driving for many years before owning a Tesla, i'm sure that will come back quick.

It makes sense. The Model 3 + Y are geared towards traditional drivers or people coming over from ICE vehicles. Not having signal stalks takes away alot of familiarity.

Zero chance

Most people do, clearly

You can get an aftermarket stalk for them.

Who even uses turn signals anyways

Having no stalks makes sense if you use FSD 100% of the time. If you don't use FSD 100% of the time, then stalks makes more sense. The logic behind a lot of the design that Tesla does is "The best part is no part", followed swiftly by "If a human isn't driving, is this needed?" That said, the FSD pickup rate is still kind of low I think, so stalks makes more sense at the moment. They'll probably take the stalks away again down the road, but not until FSD matures a bit more.

Skill issue. I use roundabouts everywhere everyday and I love the buttons.

It was incredibly dumb to try to get rid of them to begin with. When pricing new Teslas I basically always add on the price of getting the stalk added after purchase.

I mean at one time Tesla would dig their heels in and say they know best. At least now they're acknowledging when they make a massive mistake and fixing it. Good on them. Now do the lack of RAIN SENSORS for the love of all that is holy.

I personally like the buttons. Feels more exotic to use and requires far less hand movement. IMO, the best solution would have been to keep the stalk and make the steering wheel buttons fully customizable.

I speculated this months ago and got absolutely trashed in this group. Figures!

I’ve not driven a stalk-less S3XY, but can say that everybody who has tried the Cybertruck loves the turn signal buttons because of the digital steering and I absolutely do NOT have any desire to go back to either turn signal stalks or shifter stalks. I was hoping Tesla would start to implement THAT aspect in their lineup thus negating the need for stalks, but obviously didn’t make it into the new Y.

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I'm honestly fine without it.

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I like mine with no stalks.

The buttons aren’t not even the issue here. It’s how they implemented it. - they need to be clicky, touch sensitive/pressure sensitive is not goos for something like indicators because you can’t be looking at your steering wheel to make sure. When you are on a roundabout you need to know and feel you clicked it. - second of all, if the indicators were on each side of the steering wheel, you could easily have your thumb on the right indicator without even glancing at your steering wheel. And again, if you are on a roundabout, the indicator that you need to use is NOT BETWEEN YOUR KNEES. They simply didn’t test enough situations before they implemented it. This would have been so obvious after an hour.

With FSD driving all the time, might as well just get rid of the entire steering wheel and put onscreen controls for backup. Think of the money that would save! /s

I’ve gotten used to the buttons and don’t mind them.. every now and then I need to do a quick hand over hand move and it can be troublesome, but rarely. My biggest gripe is that sometimes the buttons timeout if your thumb is resting on it for a little while, or sometimes if I’m already starting to go over the lane line and press the button at the same time, it’s like the computer freezes and doesn’t register the button press.

And probably they add a front bumper camera while they’re at it?

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Maybe it's different overseas or they changed it, but my turn signal buttons are clicking buttons, not capacitive.

> The Model 3 + Y are geared towards traditional drivers… I think you mean drivers in general because which other mass market brand removed the stalks from their vehicles? This was always a solution in search of a problem.

I drove one of the first ones here back in January, and the button was touch sensitive with some kind of feedback. But it wasn’t clicky.

Mine is an October '24 built P and it's definitely clicky, as are all the other steering wheel buttons. I guess they changed something.

There was no honest to God reason to remove turn stalks. It's not like there was something inherently wrong with them for Tesla to decide to remove them. Not all decisions are good, this was not one of them. Same thing goes for the yoke steering wheel

I love how the original comment frames it as if Teslas and EVs started as some whole other thing that’s not cars and buttons are how it always was, and are just now expanding into the car market. It’s totally not as if they had stalks originally and then they got rid of them.

I look at all the things they've removed versus improved between my 2019 Model 3 and the current model, and I just sit and wait for them to come to their senses about some things. The return of the signal stalk is a good one. I have several roundabouts I navigate daily.

I have already sent feedback to Tesla that they should allow us to customize the left scroll wheel and use that for the turn signal indicator so that the touch sensitive buttons can be used to switch audio tracks / stations. Easy solution to get something more tactile for turn signals

I disagree. As others have noted with the Cybertruck, Steer by Wire doesn't require the same level of hand over hand driving, so stalk removal probably makes sense under those circumstances as well.

Which is why introducing buttons was silly.

I test drove a tesla with the buttons, the first 5 minutes were weird. Then it was fine.

I disagree. FSD, currently, doesn't handle "last mile" driving very well. I use FSD for *every* drive, but minor navigation data problems make me have to take control in the last 100-500ft of a drive. The parking lot at my son's school, for example, has three openings. Two are entrances, and one is an exit. So, you enter the parking lot from the north, or the south, but when you leave, you exit via the middle. Even has a sign that says "One way only". Currently Tesla's navigation data says that the middle opening is an entrance, so I have to take control and manually drive to the correct entrance. In this case turn signal buttons is fine, because I won't be doing any hand over hand driving through a roundabout type thing. So, it's really just dependent on circumstances and such. In regards to removing the steering wheel with FSD, honestly, unless you buy a true Cybercab, I don't see that happening. Some people, like me, will always prefer to be able to drive manually from time to time when you want to do a little unsafe driving, versus the "slow and steady" stuff FSD tries to do some time to time.

On my Model 3 too

I enjoy it on my Model 3 too so was a little bit disappointed with it on the new Y though it makes only makes sense for them to add it to the 3 moving on for the sake of commonality.

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Definitely not what I’m saying lol. Stalks were removed to save costs and to eventually pave the way for FSD. However, it alienated alot of customers, especially those new to the EV space. This was counter-intuitive b/c the Model 3 + Y are meant to be mass marketed to all customers. Source: Worked at Tesla

Yea, I like Tesla and all that (I’ve purchased three of them), and even I thought removing the stalks was stupid from the jump. Like, who asked for that?

With a stalk you don't take your hands off the wheel. You're moving one finger unless you're some maniac going full white-knuckled grip on the stalk...which just seems excessive. Mental picture is funny thou.

Is the button actually moving? Trackpads on Macs feel clicky but are haptic motors with capacitive sensors. The trackpad doesn’t actually move when it’s pressed.

finally some good news

Depends on how tight the roundabout is. For many roundabouts around here, you have to turn the wheel almost 180°. No matter where you place the buttons, they will always be in unintuitive places. Stalks are better. They are always where you expect them to be.

Removing stalks as an accelerator to FSD seems like a massive stretch. Cost cutting absolutely.

In other words: As long as this car is sold outside of the US, stalks make more sense.

the conflict in this comment section is gold. which Tesla decision was more right? taking stalks away or adding them back? how do I talk about it without saying one decision was not amazing?

Probably too expensive.

No way you are turning the wheel 180 degrees on a roundabout in a model 3. That’s nearly full lock if I am not mistaken.

Pretty sure my Model 3’s full lock is 360° in each direction. Teslas don’t have the best turn radius – and many roundabouts in Europe are pretty tight. Might even require full lock for mini roundabouts.

You can only raise it to the right though…

Stockholm syndrome.

We have a model Y and new model 3 so I cycle between no stalks and stalks every other day. With the stalks, you have to shift your hand a bit. Stalks require more hand movement than the buttons.

For the M3, they should literally just add the stalk AND keep the same buttons on the wheel. What’s wrong with both options? Maybe make them programmable

They should offer or just have both. Not having to move your hands off the wheel for anything is quite nice after you get used to it.

Yes, the buttons move. You can see the plastic flex.

Mine are capacitive and other than having random issues if you rest your finger on the button they won’t work when you press, they seem to work just like real buttons (like a MacBook trackpad).

I've never seen anyone drive where their hands are permanently fixed at the exact positions where you would always be able to engaged the buttons if needed. Guess you're that exception.

Mine are haptic, won’t work with some gloves on or if you rest your finger on the button for too long (neither are major issues).

Mine are clicking buttons. Leaving my thumb on a button doesn't do anything, and the plastic clearly flexes when the button activates.

How small are your roundabouts, all the ones in my area (Seattle) I only turn the wheel about 15-30 degrees and can still easily hit the button (I usually don’t hit the button, but I could).

You missed the /s on my reply. It’s indicates what I said was sarcasm.

I mean my hands are at 9 and 3 on the wheel which lines up with the buttons. That only changes when I'm turning and I indicate before moving the wheel so yes, the turn indicators are always in right spot. I'm not indicating mid turn. Round abouts are the only exception and I'm the Midwest, people don't indicate in round abouts.

No, I saw it, but I felt the point was still worth making a comment on. If not for you, then someone else who drops by to see the exchange.

And add USS back!

I’ve never gotten used to the missing turn stalk. It’s just dangerous.

why?

Glad to hear.

If you had steer by wire do you think it would matter? That combo, like the truck, was always what I’ve hoped for in this regard.

Because USS still is vastly superior on all vehicles that do not have a bumper camera, and even those that do the camera superiority has yet to be established.

What? I don't know about you, for me it's great and I don't have a bumper camera. Tests done by AI DRIVR also show that it's currently in a great condition. It could be better, but it doesn't have a real weakness....unlike USS which is certainly not superior, since it has a huge weakness - metal poles. I remember quite a few posts here on this sub of people crying about hitting a metal pole with their Teslas and the USS failing to recognize it. Could you avoid colliding with a metal pole? Usually, though sometimes people are hurrying too much or look and fail to realize the exact distance, thinking it's not in the way or something. USS is not inherently superior.

On my daily commute there are three or four roundabouts, depending on which of the two possible routes i take. Only one of the roundabouts is large enough to not go above ~120°.

Stalkholm Syndrome

I guess this works for you. Plenty of situations by me where, as an example, pulling out of a driveway and then making an immediate turn would not allow for recentering of the steering (and the stalks always engagmemt without a hand positioning shift). But sounds like situation will always fall into ideal situations where buttons on the wheel never require hand movement.

how do you add the stalk back?

No stalks makes a lot of sense on a car with steer by wire

What? You okay there buddy?

You pay someone to do it lol. You can buy the OEM part online and then have it installed.

Emm, yes? What exactly did I say wrong? It's proven that with cameras it's very accurate, even without a low frontal camera. Did people actually check about this before downvoting me and hating it on the sub? Or do they only go with their feelings? https://youtu.be/O6IjfIhNgGw?si=D8PkqRHrm-qH5lRz The only problem was in the beginning it sometimes a little bit forgot exact distances when something was very close, but we're talking about distances where USS fails too (less than 12 inches), and it is fixable, pretty sure fixed already.

The Highland refresh went a lot worse than expected for Tesla. I'm glad they're admitting they were wrong, but it may not be enough to boost M3 sales.

The answer probably lies in the fact that they are bringing them back. If the buttons were so wonderful then they'd have adopted that across all of the cars.

My opinion: buttons only make sense combined with steer-by-wire like CT, as you don’t do a full rotation, so harder to confuse directions. Hopefully this comes to other models soon.

That's still there, it's the turn signal being brought back.

Now put a video rearview mirror on the CT

Yeah, I don’t understand how they have some of the worst auto wipers in the industry *still???* Also please add the front camera from the new Y to the 3. This plus the indicator stalk would make it perfect. When I drove the new 3 I was also worried about the on-screen transmission shifting but that was actually surprisingly easy. Not having a stalk for turns *did* feel very odd though.

"If you're not adding stuff back, you haven't deleted enough"

I wonder if all the people that gaslit themselves into thinking having the indicators on the steering wheel is fine during a roundabout are going to be okay. Absolutely dumb idea from Tesla and I'd rather them acknowledge this mistake and fix it instead of doing nothing.

To be fair the wipers are *way better* but still phantom wipe for me pretty frequently.

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The auto wipers in my 2014 S are impressively bad. I really wish they just had a normal intermittent function.

On the Cybertruck they're clicky. Also because of the steer-by-wire you never turn the wheel more than like 100 degrees. The buttons are always in a pretty predictable spot. The answer is buttons and steer-by-wire adaptive steering on every car. I'm glad the CT doesn't have a stalk. The minimalism is awesome.

The shifter on my S is in the exact same spot as the turn signals in my other car. I have hit the shifter when I wanted to signal. Only once but I wish my brain could sort that stuff out a little better.

I do this literally everyday on a roundabout to my kids school. Every single day it’s an issue with the signal. It’s actually dangerous because I’m focused on keeping my finger on the button to indicate when I’m leaving and thus not paying all my attention to what I’m doing (driving).

> Now do the lack of RAIN SENSORS for the love of all that is holy. I think about this every time it rains.

> We need the gear shifter stalk Yes 1000%

Signal doesn’t work that well sometimes I press it and it does literally nothing. Wipers suck. They never bothered to fix these basic things about a car. Still waiting on smart summon years later. It worked well way back in 2019-2020.

This should have been a recall, I hate the buttons, especially when navigating exits and roundabouts. Glad they are coming back for safety’s sake.

Unpopular opinion but I like the stalkless build better. It's cleaner and it's a better experience never taking your hands of the steering.

I like the buttons on my X's yoke. Steer by wire would be better though.

While they are adding the signal stalk why not add the drive selector stalk? I really hate swipe to change the drive mode. I hope they add that back too.

The buttons work pretty well with steer by wire, you never need to move your hands in the cybertruck. But the buttons do seem to fail without steer by wire. It makes me wonder if the other Tesla models were supposed to get steer by wire at the same time as the indicators became buttons.

IS THAT A DROP OF RAIN!!! GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE FLIPFLOPFLIPFLOPFLIPFLIP okay all good now My M3P 2019 with any amount of rain

Is this the first hardware update for highland model 3? If so, I wonder if other features from the new Model Y Juniper will be added as well (some reviews have remarked that juniper seems to be half a generation ahead of Highland): * Front-facing camera for "Enhanced visibility for Autopilot and Actually Smart Summon". * Glass roof with 7x better heat refraction * Better suspension

B Not

"Nah" -Tesla

"Model 3 and Model Y are designed for the average driver transitioning from a traditional vehicle" That was around cybertruck, what are those guys driving if not traditional vehicles?

One thing I don't like about the stalk signals is that if you're too quick with the nudge, it doesn't register at all. Is it just me? For this reason I was hoping to get rid of the stalk.

Wonder when this change will happen. Literally ready to order as soon as a good finance rate comes back and would rather get the latest and greatest. I don’t think stalkless would bother me but bringing it back makes it obvious it wasn’t a good decision. Plus if they add the front camera right after I order I would be annoyed.

This probably won’t be available for retro fit for current 24 m3’s right?

I disagree. The car without rain sensors is fundamentally wrong and damaged. The gear shifter is easy to swipe on screen and doesn't alter functionality. Wipers are messed up for many people. The problem with the wipers from camera system is that the camera fundamentally cannot detect rain and distinguish it from other effects. It does not image the glass, its focus is at infinity and the lens is right up on the glass. All it can see is a slight blurring of the background which it has to guess if it's rain with machine learning. But a thin film of dirt or mist---from over-wiping---looks exactly like rain. And it's worse at night, have to distinguish rain only from sharp point sources and distinguishing from glare is very hard. By contrast a rain sensor detects raindrops with always correct physics. It is self-illuminated in IR and detects the change in total internal reflection when there is water on the glass. Just water drops. Not dirt. Not mist. Not bugs. Works perfectly at night. It is a fundamental first principles physics solution. It is a solved problem from suppliers.

> They simply didn’t test enough situations before they implemented it. This would have been so obvious after an hour. It's likely they did test this and told the bossman exactly the problems and he didn't give a shit and ordered them to remove the stalks or they're fired. No other automaker removed turn signal stalks. No other automaker will.

This was one of their dumbest ideas ever. Glad it's coming back.

RIP 24/25 Highland resale value.

It will. I drive wife's car occasionally and stalks just come back natural. I actually still reach for stalks on my model 3 for 6 months now.

People complained when they removed stalks because of roundabouts and complain again when they bring the turn signal back because of roundabouts.

Ferrari has indicators on the steering wheel, but nobody complains because it’s better implemented.

Roundabouts are a problem yes

The 2014 Model S has a rain sensor…

That sounds like they’re ginormous, what’s such a roundabout’s radius, 100m? Here in Germany, you’ll be hard-pressed to find regular roundabouts with more than 15m radius. Also, please follow traffic laws and indicate. It makes the roundabout more efficient, which is the whole point.

I absolutely love the stalkless. To me it’s a little unfortunate that they reverted, but my car is barely 6 months old so I won’t have to worry about that anytime soon.

You’re objectively wrong. The cameras do not even provide 360° coverage resulting in major blind spots on the sides. There are numerous reports of summon and autopark running directly into poles in parking lots that are in the blind spots. The current cameras have zero view in front of the bumper. Until they add a front camera to all models, this blind spot is unfixable, even with their alleged object permanence that is trash with smooth surfaces. They removed USS and radar during covid supply chain issues and crafted this argument to keep selling cars without the parts. It took them YEARS to get Vision autopilot working even half as well as the original, and vision vehicles STILL lack features of older models with USS and Radar.

Finally!

And they probably turned it off like the USS so they're not even being used.

Good

The competition is coming in fierce, Tesla has to be ready and actually make changes and give customers what they want or many will jump ship.

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the problem is that it often swipes hard and fast even when it's barely raining for me after the rain has let up---because there's still a film and swiping hard keeps on regenerating that film. And the effect of that film is the same as the effect of rain, at least to the camera. If you put your eyeball up to the glass you couldnt tell either. Or there's glare at night. You see the problem that "it works OK sometimes for some people in some cars" is not "it works always for everyone" which is what a rain sensor does, and that sensors probably $10-20. It's a fully solved problem. And besides I don't want compute devoted to rain sensing on the FSD computer which is how it's doing it now, I want that budget reserved for actual driver assistance compute which will improve its performance.

We need ASSWIPERS (actually smart sensitive wipers)

Auto-shift is golden. Especially now you can do a 3 point turn without touching the screen.

I’m not personally interested in a stalk solely for the signals. If they gave me headlight control back on the stalk as well, that’d be different. Flashing high beams with the buttons is way worse than the turn signal issue, at least to me.

And USS....and lidar...

My 2022 refresh X has capacitive turn buttons. I am based in the US

The idea was that those stalks have a high failure rate. But I don't think a button is an improvement on that front.

And my 24 3P has clicking buttons.

How about a proper display in front of the driver?

Now if they could remove the racist moron in charge we would be talking.

My MYP 2022 without any trace of rain.

No the 2014 doesn’t have a Autopilot computer, if it is an old enough 2014 model it doesn’t even have a camera or adaptive cruise control. My 2014 with AP had a pretty decent auto wiper function, the BMW 3-series I had before that had a pretty bad auto wiper function. My Model 3 is okay if there is enough light, but at night it is non functional.

I forget how long ago 2014 was already...

I actually like the no stalks on my S. Didn’t take long to get used to it.

This is another instance where they tried to reinvent the wheel and it’s not any better. Glad they finally admitted it.

You're not sure? The hundreds of thousands of complaints online didn't spell it out? The functionality is totally inconsistent - dry humping the windshield for no reason at times and over-compensating by cycling far too quickly in mild rain in others. It works well if you live in area with consistent and steady rainfall periods and it doesn't work well basically anywhere else. It's been commented on, puzzled over and countless videos have been made about the subject. Cameras are bad substitutes for rain sensors. Now you know and can stop saying otherwise based on your sample size of one.

They did not make a mistake.. people just dont like change. Most of the haters dont own one. Stalkless is just as good.. I hate that i might have to go back to stalks again on my next Tesla

Wipers be like: I think it’s not raining, but just to be sure.

Of course they made a mistake, and no stalkless is not as good. It's hot garbage and that's why they're getting rid of it. All Tesla did was remove parts to save money and try to sell us on it.

You own one?

Pretty sure the suspension upgrade is vs the outgoing Model Y

- Radar has a real possibility of being re-added. Model S and X have already re-added them, and HW4 has a slot for the Phoenix radar. - Lidar is not likely near-term, but Tesla bought millions of Lidar equipment last year, so something could be in the works for distant future - USS is probably not likely; but Juniper adding a front facing camera should mitigate a lot of current problems

What features are missing?

Is the Model Y Juniper suspension better than the suspension in the Model 3 Performance? Because that is a pretty nice ride...

What do the S & X use radar for?

Without rain sensors, the wipers still work on interval settings for slow, fast, faster, etc. I can even set those from the stalk and use the steering wheel control wheel to select a speed. However, if the Tesla computer reboots while driving and access to the screen is lost, the car will simply stay in whatever gear it’s in with no way to change it. Gear stalks are much more important than rain sensors; it’s not even close. I was in an accident in my Model 3 where I needed to put it in neutral to get pushed off the freeway (it wouldn’t drive) and if the screen had stopped working, how would I have done that?

at least in China there was a physical gear selector switch overhead for that last scenario. I personally favor physical switches for both. Gear selector does not need to be a stalk.

and sometimes when it's not raining, I suspect

I like the buttons on my Model 3 and I wouldn't want to go back to stalks, but everyone who's ever got in my car has commented on the lack of stalks. I imagine it's significantly impacted their sales so no surprises they're reverting.

It's funny, in highland communities like facebook, everyone loves or doesn't mind stalkless at all. Most say they were weird for about an hour now it would be hard to go back. I think a lot of people who don't own highlands tend to overexaggerate how they feel about them. I got use to them within an hour and now stalks just feel archaic. There are obviously some people who will never like stalkless designs, but I think if you sat most of the haters in a highland and made them get use to it, within 2 hours their opinion might change.

I might be an outlier, but I have to move my hands an uncomfortable amount. Buttons would be better for me at least.

Why? I don't even need to use it 99% of the time. Auto shift works pretty good most of the time.

I like having nothing in front of me. It means I can position my steering wheel lower instead of raising it all the way up just so I can see the gauge cluster.

I agree. I like being able to keep my hand on the wheel. Even if it's just extending my fingers out to hit the stalk, sometimes it feels like too much work.

Or maybe they will be sought after and go up in value lol

You can buy the actual stalks for your car from aliexpress and install them in about 20 minutes. the column still has the mounting points for it, then you just plug it into the debug connector behind the screen that never gets used.

Stalk is definitely better than buttons but I honestly got used to the buttons after a couple days and don’t even notice other than when I’m in traffic circles

What OEM part? Will the old model 3 stalk fit on the Highland model 3?

Good. Now do the same with gear shift stalk please.

Lemme retrofit it into my m3p

Yuck…

Good! Now we just need a date!!! Retrofit?

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Remember, this is Reddit. Comment upvote/downvotes are basically meaningless. Don’t bother getting worked up by others that try to compensate here for their lack of influence in the real world.

Not even a HUD?

There is in the US as well.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

At this point getting the gear stalk back would be a dealbreaker for me. Absolutely love auto-shift. Works so well!

Yes and bring back the jack stick on my iPhone and let me buy CD’s again for my car stereo. Silly introducing bluetooth and wireless things. Jesus, people just doesn’t like change!

I've never been stabbed, but I know I don't like getting stabbed.

You turn it on in the settings. When you get into the car it will display in the top-left corner to press the brake to get into drive (or reverse, depending on how your car is parked)

Dusty roads. Cameras are useless.

I noticed my 2018 M3 Rain sensing wipes got better after upgrading to HW3

My 2019 M3: Normal rain: Works perfectly. Rain stops and cars in front of me throw up spray from the wet road: "I WILL LEAVE YOU BLIND UNTIL YOU CRASH!"

Am I the only one that doesn’t like the stalks??? I actually like the bottoms. I have a 2024 model 3 and 2024 model y and I prefer the stalkless

Can try please retrofit the 2024 M3?

I understand the urge to love everything about your $50,000+ purchase to the point of justifying bad design choices, but agreed, at least Tesla are admitting they were wrong on this one

They’ll resell for a lot more than the 2023 model (it is a significantly better car) but like anything not as well as the 2025/26 model

Money. It’s always money. It’s why automakers have gone away from buttons and made everything capacitive or touchscreen controls.

Honestly, with auto shift, I go weeks at a time without manually changing the gear.

The other day I got a survey from Tesla asking me a lot of questions about wipers and their performance and how much I liked or disliked them. I think they are going to fix them and they are gathering data from their consumer. At least I hope, or I just invested 10 minutes answer questions about how bad my auto wipers are 😂

Obviously, can’t compare it to the old one

We have a highland with buttons. I go between that and an older gas car all the time. I'm constantly looking for those stupid blinker buttons when i'm n the m3. I'm going to crash or just stop using blinkers. I hope they can retrofit button cars back to blinker stalks.

> Yeah, I don’t understand how they have some of the worst auto wipers in the industry still??? Because they need to solve AGI first. That way the front facing camera can recognize that is raining and turn on the wipers.

Also: IS THAT THE SUN BEAMING DIRECTLY INTO THE CAMERA OR TORRENTIAL RAIN?!? NO TIME TO DEBATE MAX SPEEEEEDDDD

Yeah... that's what I was thinking. Mine is more like: Lots of sudden rain: let's give that a minute or two to be really sure it's rain before we turn on wipers. Crystal clear sunny day: better scrape the wipers over the dry windshield! I get that finding a perfect balance point between "turns on too soon" and "turns on too late" is hard... but they've somehow invented a way to be late AND early at the same time.

> Most of the haters dont own one. *Of course* people who really don't like a thing aren't going to buy it.

That should lift the stock.

That’s my 2021 M3 also

This is the right move. And they should start designing controls with a driver in mind.

Mine bounces between that and no wipers at all no matter how hard it's raining. I start them, the. It seems to remember what ton do.

So many people tried to defend this stupidity. Never listened to ther nonsense

Ahh now my Tesla will be known as the stalkless model. I like it even though it’ll probably reduce resale value.

Stalks are so great. Excellent invention. They were regressing when they removed them.

manufacturing cost lot less parts not having them. not saying good reason but I do understand it from a pure manufacturing standpoint. I don't mind taking swings at rethinking established ideas but for this it just doesn't seem like they did testing or listened to feedback before launching it. it has some clear issues. after a year of ownership it's the only part of my car I really actively dislike.

You can have auto shift while still retaining a stalk.

No reason. Just extra clutter

This is a safety issue of not having a stalk for turn signals. For example if you signal and turn left and then immediately need to turn right you are not going to be able to find the turn signal buttons on the still rotating steering wheel in time. I love my highland but not having a stalk for turn signals needs to be corrected asap.

May I introduce you to the Cybercab

The Juniper looks cheap AF in all the videos I have seen. Feedback supports the same.

Hallelujah, I thought I was the only one! I love the way my hands can stay on the wheel and it is seamless to put my turn signal on. To me, you get used to it over time and then it becomes something adopted. I don't believe these turn signal buttons ever caused harm to anyone, so what is this hard-core drive to get a stalk back, especially when you bought a vehicle that has only a screen to control everything begin with. It would be cool to see maybe an option between a stalk or buttons, like the wheel or yoke... maybe that is too involved for production...

I never really wanted one. Just makes wiping down the dash more annoying.

There hasn’t been a single instance where my car has needed USS and LIDAR on FSD. It hasn’t made a mistake driving in traffic in months.

Yeah, I’ve not missed it at all. Also, I use FSD 98% of the time so it just signals for me.

Try to tell the morons several years ago . The buttons, although we get “used to them” the functionality is weak and causes unnecessary stress in turns , like roundabouts trying to hunt for the button position is not good. Because of the design occasionally I’ve put on the wrong signal by accident. So fortunate not to have caused a wreck . Never has that happened in any other car.

For a) those times auto shift doesn’t work and b) those times you need to make a quick change of direction where auto shift wouldn’t apply anyways.

In this case they’ve made the product worse and added no redeeming feature. That’s different from what you describe.

Gear selection is on screen when it doesn’t work. Perfectly fine and cool. I own one and love the simplicity. We are all different. But i kinda hear most complaining people that dont own one. You can’t make up your mind about it after just a test drive. Its a learning curve

Yeah but it saved them $0.50!!! /s

It is fine, because no one signals in roundabouts where I live

Never understood why Tesla has to make their car regular features like odometer, turn signal different than other cars. It would make driving other cars easier.

I expected to hate the turn signal stalk not being on my highland but it’s sort of whatever, like the total package of buttons on the steering wheel is better than in my Y. What I actually ended up hating is the gear stalk going to the screen (and to the overhead light area).

the phrase "Picking up pennies in front of a steamroller" comes to mind

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Yes! The number of phantom wipes I’ve had on a dry windshield… it makes me so angry every time because I know I’m going to have scratches in the glass. It drives me insane! It’s the largest gripe I have about my ‘24 M3P.

I find it’s only accurate 60% of the time. It often wants to auto shift to drive when a garage door is 3 feet in front of me. I always just shake my head in disappointment. It’s consistently wrong with garage doors.

I actually prefer buttons over the stalk, feels good to me on my M3

I'd buy that just for the name

I love stalkless but I do 95% of my driving on fsd so it makes no difference.

It's still better because a simple finger flick up or down is far superior for maintaining complete control of the car, than a button on the steering wheel. Look at it this way, using hypothetical extremes to find the ideal path forward for anything. If it inhibits operation in extreme conditions, it's inferior. For example. Would it be easier or more challenging to use the turnsignal with a button over a stalk, if you are very quickly changing lanes and going +30 weaving through traffic? Completely disregard if that is acceptable behavior, look purely at the time and attention something would require and what would be better in this hypothetical. When designing something, you always want to minimize the time for the action, and minimize the attention required for that action. This is basically universal and the huge implementation of screens is increasing the time, and the attention it takes to do basic functions that don't change, and could be done with physical controls. That is why physical controls are better for specific things. As to WHY stalks would be better in that hypothetical? There is a simple fact that a stalk requires less precise operation, can be turned on, and off, faster and with less attention or electronics than tesla's stupid button design. It also doesn't change position so they're always where you expect them. That is why they are fundimentally superior to the capacitive buttons as a means of actuation a turn signal. The ONLY time it's not needed is if the car is 100% FSD, and only needs a steering wheel for emergency intervention. Thats it.

Now just admit that removing the rain sensor was a mistake. I can admit that Tesla is doing fine without USS but they need to admit that they can’t get rain sensing wipers right without a sensor.

Youll probably be able to get a retrofit

Agreed, this is all the m3 needs Tesla!

Oh I thought this was only my car. It sometimes wipes when it’s dust-level dry.

Anyone knows WHEN Tesla will add stalks to thar model 3? Because I am ready to buy (Living in a roundabout-country)

Not all of us come from BMW. We need a stalk for the turn signal.

I am not defending them by any means, but $0.50 multiplied by the hundreds of thousands of cars they sell is a lot money.

Same here.. I will order same day thy bring back stalk.

I already have my 2025 performance and love the no stalks. Wouldn’t want to go back to one now.

Is this ever going to happen? I’m still waiting…

In my entire life I've never had a vehicle that the turn signal stalks went bad in. If Tesla stalks had a high failure rate that's an extremely fixable problem, nobody else's stalks are high failure rate.