HW3 will be upgraded to HW4 for those who bought the full FSD

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what about us on HW2 who bought “full FSD”?

It may not be full HW4, maybe just computer with existing camera

If u have hw2 you can upgrade to hw3 so should also be able to upgrade to hw4

Yeah I don’t think they called it HW4… but they -finally- admitted it’ll need some sort of upgrade

I still think people that are subscribed should also be offered the upgrade. What's the point if they cant get unsupervised driving done with hw3.

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Tesla really did us dirty with the promises of FSD. They should offer a full refund for anyone that paid. Imagine the people that bought in 2016/2017 and still don't have anything remotely resembling level 5 autonomy.

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This news article then says different? Perhaps they will design retrofit stuff

My guess is that they will offer it, but you'll have to pay for it if you didn't buy FSD outright.

That was the “it’s going to be a pain, but we will get it done” comment by Elon

*ai5

Very generic statement though. Based on what period of time when you ‘bought it’? At time of purchase? After? Can you purchase it right now and get an update? The way musk worded it made it sound like it only applies to those who purchased FSD prior to taking delivery. Which…sucks for a TON of people. Musk said hw3 will be the answer. He touted that those who purchased fsd, really at any point under hw3, will see true fsd and a vehicle capable of being a ‘robotaxi’ that will “appreciate in value” and “be a stream of income”. There are people out there who purchased their car, then paid $10k, $12k, $15k( iirc?) after the fact… and will now get shafted. If this doesn’t trigger a massive class action? I don’t know what will.

Why not just let me transfer it from my HW3 vehicle to my HW4? Makes so much more sense then retrofitting an old vehicle.

They only paid 1-3k and got years of enhanced cruise control, lane centering and traffic light control? Ever buy an option on another car? Those never get better.

That’s what I’m wondering. I switched from hw3 to hw4 this year and was not expecting retrofits. I don’t miss my hw3, but it definitely makes the purchase of hw4 less attractive.

That’s my suspicion too. Initial rollout to people who paid for FSD outright, and then $2000 upgrade for everyone else.

How much is hw2 to 3?

This post is 100% incorrect. Tesla merely said they would upgrade HW3. They never said that it would be upgraded to HW4!

Don't worry they're about to rug everyone with HW5 later this year. I expect the camera configuration will be different.

Hope so but not holding my breath for that.

>Ever buy an option on another car? Those never get better. But those options work on Day 1. People that bought FSD have yet to get what they actually bought.

About 1 hw

I think this is the most likely scenario and even if they ever offer a retrofit down the road, I think many who care about FSD by that point would have already replaced the car. Then again, if Tesla is confident they could retrofit 3/Y and enable them for robotaxi service, MAYBE they could make those economics make sense, but I doubt it.

Upgrade HW3, yes correct. Which hw revision do you expect them to update to? A custom one engineered from scratch? Ofc not! They will derive the retrofit from whatever is cheaper, being HW4 or anything after it

They’ve previously stated HW3 cannot be upgraded to HW4. I have no idea. Maybe they will make a AI 3.5 chip, that works good enough with the present cameras.

I traded my old FSD P100DL for my Plaid and they moved FSD for me so I'll get what I paid for still. I did the same with our M3 to a MY.

I bet you get that and also that they will incentivize to transfer to a new vehicle for free.

They need to allow transfer to any Tesla. I'm not buying a new Tesla (or any car brand new) so I would want to be able to transfer to used, not purchased from Tesla vehicles. Hopefully they give people these options or even something like a partial refund. If you paid $5k for fsd (that did include active features like EAP and smart summon) then maybe you can get $2500 back. That might be less than an actual hw4 replacement.

Disagree. You can unsubscribe at any time. You don’t have skin in the game.

This is what I’m saying. I bought a used hw4 vehicle and it’s on my Tesla account. Let me transfer FSD to it.

So then I could pay $100 to subscribe for 1 month and get a free hardware upgrade? Makes no sense.

Yes physically wise, there are different and with different power needs. Being a retrofit it means they are at a loss already, so whatever is cheaper for them. Maybe a hybrid approach, a more energy efficient HW4 (maybe better node?) with the same power requirements of HW3 but increased compite capacity. It's going to be an interesting engineering choice anyway

Isn’t there a chance they can use distilled models on HW3? These require much less inference compute.

I'm sure service centers will be staffed enough so that they can get these swaps done SUPER FAST. In the Boston area I can't get an appointment at a service center for 1.5 months and it's at the one 60 min from my house. while this is cool news, the practical implementation side is going to be a mess.

Seriously. I have fsd on my 3 but I would love to transfer it to my x as we bought that car 4 years later and it’s the people mover.

What about buying FSD and getting HW3 to 4 upgraded, then asking for a refund? 😅

Bingo. we know they have this ability baked into their app. Just let me disable the feature on one vehicle and enable it on another.

Here is my guess. Free transfer of FSD from HW3 to HW4 when buying another Tesla is a given. Tesla did it before. But for people that stay in HW3 and doesnt want to buy/transfer FSD to another Tesla with HW4, I would say a full refund could be on the table, or they will have to figure out a HW4 revision that works with older Tesla model, which will be painful and difficult to do according to Elon. As time go by, it will be less and less HW3 model with full FSD purchased, once that magic number hit, I think Tesla might offer some incentive to settle the HW3 FSD owners.

This would be me. February 2017 X with paid FSD up front. Honestly, I’ve been thinking about selling it because I am now staunchly anti-Elon, but with this news I’m actually motivated to keep it so I can be a pain in Elon’s side.

Yes, this 100%. Plus free charging makes this equation even easier. Bought my S the same month as you and still enjoy driving it and use superchargers frequently. Never will buy another.

No. "...upgrades would be offered, but only if it was found the HW3 was not capable of running FSD Unsupervised." That is not the same thing.

Bought enhanced auto pilot then paid $7K to upgrade to HW3 from HW2.5

it will be cheaper to retrofit whatever tesla is planning than give refund, you're also forgetting ppl who bought FSD when it was like 12k or 15k.

It’s $11000 CAD for me to add it to my 21 SR+. I dont see a $2000 update happening.

If you had thrown that money in 2016 into SP500 Acc. you would have had $29500 by the end of december 2024.

Add what? I thought HW2 to HW3 cost $1200 USD or so?

Im HW3 and for full FSD they want $11000 CAD in the app. I read your comment as saying “they’ll update all people for $2000”. If we don’t have FSD yet why would they throw away that upgrade charge first?

People should start suing them in small claims court. If you paid for a service that wasn't even available during the time that you owned the vehicle, that's just not fair...

lol yea I meant the hardware retrofit cost.

Ahhh ya ok. Yeah thanks for clearing it up for me.

Not possible unless you went to the trouble of opting out of the forced arbitration clause

No. "I mean, I think the honest answer is that we're going to have to upgrade people's Hardware 3 computer for those that have bought full self-driving, and that is the honest answer and that's going to be painful and difficult but we'll get it done." -Elon Musk, January 29, 2025 on Q4 earnings call.

This isn't uncharted territory. Previously, if you hadn't purchased FSD you could pay for the upgrade to be performed, which is what subscribers had to do. It was people who had purchased FSD that got the upgrade for free.

Honestly it should just be linked to your account.

What if I’m paying Monthly for FSD?

Forced arbitration should be illegal in B2C relationships. It is in Denmark.

Amy minute now…aaannnyyyy minute…

If Tesla only pays for those who purchased the FSD package to upgrade, they are completely in the wrong and should be sued. I bought my Model Y on the premise that it had the hardware for FSD, and all I needed to do was pay the monthly subscription. I opted for the subscription rather than paying full up front. If Tesla was unsure about their capability, they should not have represented to us buyers that it had the ability to do FSD if you pay for the subscription. My car's value just dropped on that announcement yesterday - it is now unable to do what they advertised it being able to do. Those who bought the car on the premise that the car had the hardware to go FSD with a monthly subscription should be given a credit or some type of compensation. This shall not be limited to those who purchased the full package up front - this is a hardware issue that was misrepresented (whether negligently or purposefully). If I recall correctly, Musk pushed sales by saying your car will pay for itself once the FSD switch is turned on. That is now not true. Whether they knew it or not, they are fully responsible based on their representation. Tesla is no longer the small auto company they were in 2016, they have a market cap over $1 trillion dollars. They should know better and us customers should not bear that expense. The buyers should be made whole and if Tesla doesn't do it on their own not they should be sued. I don't care if it hurts my stock - I know the difference between right and wrong.

I bought in 2017 and disagree. I knew what I was buying. Vaporware. I knew that I was buying the opportunity to tag along as the tech developed and to experience the incremental improvements along the way. And I was ok with that. Looking back, I'm still ok with it. I've really enjoyed that journey, seeing it improve. I still have my car today. 100k miles, 7 years. I would rather get a one time transfer to a tesla vehicle of my choice (new or used) then a retrofit at this point even though I don't currently have any plans to buy another tesla. But I understand if people want the retrofit or even a cash back or credit instead. I think it'd be best if Tesla gave their owners options personally. Now if they really want to incentivize me to own a Tesla for life, give me a lifetime FSD credit :).. Common Tesla, i'm pretty old anyways ;-)

Every time I see posts about FSD and it not delivering I recall “Hitlers car for the people” 😂

What if I just subscribe to the monthly? Can I still get it upgraded?

Was the free transfer option not available when you purchased your HW4 vehicle?

I don’t see that they put any timeline on this. I have HW3 and bought FSD so I should qualify but who knows when they will actually do it. I’m not holding my breath.

At this point I just hope that when they release the juniper model y performance, it comes with AI5 and I can transfer my FSD.

It will likely be a die shrink of HW4 to make it smaller or perhaps a new version altogether like HW3.5 or HW4.5.

2016 November build... what good is FSD if my car wears out? Battery out of warranty before the reason I bought it has been delivered.

better yet, if i buy a tesla software product, let it live with my tesla account. shouldn’t matter the vehicle. if my driver profile, which is stored centrally at tesla, is present in a tesla vehicle and hardware/software capable, let me use the software/hardware i paid for. acceleration boost? i should see the config option for it in controls. fsd and it’s for the hardware for it? let me run it. i get that it’s a business and this may be an opportunity to capture more revenue but we can also vote with our dollars and choose to not purchase it in its given implementation.

He didn't say HW4, it could be HW5 or variant of HW4 powerful enough for FSD

Bought it used through Tesla and those don't qualify :(

Seems like they own the short comings and are doing what it takes to make it right. It’s also probably just cheaper to get everyone on the same hardware vs build two Ai models.

I really hope so too. However, I think when Tesla designed HW4, they already go thru the technical challenges to make it compatible with the older model. Bottom line is I might just transfer my FSD to the new model y in a year or two.

I’m on HW2.5 with EAP. It’s $1000 to upgrade to HW3.0 to be eligible for the monthly FSD subscription, and $2000 to buy FSD outright and get the HW3.0 upgrade. It sounds like I would have to go with the full FSD purchase to get a future HW3.0 to 4.0 free upgrade, but I have serious doubts that they can even do that retrofit on a 2018 Model 3.

Elon has already eluded to hw5, so my guess is they make a hw5 platform that is compatible with hw3 & hw4 so both can be upgraded with a single stack.

If i gave my HW3 M3 to my sister, and transferred ownership, can she get the HW4 update? Or is it original buyers only?

Ah! Yes. Must of been tempting to go the new route for the free transfer but maybe the value still wasn’t there. I am not buying a new Tesla unless all the stars align: Tax credit 0% APR MSRP Discount Free FSD Transfer

“did us dirty”. there’s a weird sense of entitlement in this comment. like yeah, he had a vision and tried to execute it. he’s still spending money on people and hardware to continue that effort. ultimately, a vision and can change and it shouldn’t surprise you if elon’s new position also changes his vision and how it will help him earn more revenue. i’m not a man elon sympathizer by any means. he’s not the man who inspired people when he first started tesla. i’m just an observer and no way affiliated with anything elon or tesla. but as someone who has been watching him execute a vision with tesla and spacex, i definitely wouldn’t say he has “done us dirty”. we’re all watching the same developments unfold. technologically, we’re moving. and that’s all i can ask for.

What will happen to your old vehicle? It will still have hw3 with fsd and the next person buying would demand an upgrade.

HW4 will physically not fit in a HW3 car. It will have to be something different. Since HW4 is also not likely to reach the FSD unsupervised standard, it may be a more advanced upgrade for both cars.

Correct, title is wrong.

I still own the old vehicle. I have TWO vehicles. One with and one without FSD.

This statement brought to you by the man who said in 2019 that all Tesla cars already had the technology he's now saying will need to be retrofitted. So let's wait a little while to see whether he's as reliable on this as he was on those "appreciating cars" eh

Ok I'm ready for my retro fit now. 45k miles on my 3P so it'll definitely be a AI4 car eventually

I just bought a 2019 Tesla S 100D from Tesla, appointment to pick up next week. What software version should be on the vehicle? Is that something all Teslas do automatically when they aren’t owned or it’s just over the air no matter what? I didn’t buy FSD but it supposed to have the basic cruise control/car distance on it. Never had a Tesla and just wondering what can I expect.

If they do this then maybe they should admit that FSD should be attached to the person or account instead of the car.

Same...I'll never buy a new one but I MILK the free supercharging in my '18 X. Almost never do it at home. And I love making Tesla pay for fixed and upgrades.

Yeah anyone thinking that is in dreamland.

I'm about to get my first Tesla and was going to buy FSD. I'm in Australia even though I know it's not available but I wasn't aware it's not transferable. Hopefully when it does come in Australia FSD as it's not here yet I will be able to get the monthly subscription.

Let’s say i buy FSD in like 2 years, would I get the upgrade?

tesla already offer this service, they do that about twice a year. me on the other hand, mine is 2023 my with hw3, so it makes 0 financial sense to upgrade a 2 year old car just for hardware upgrade.

Exactly! Think of the consumer demand. Customers have FSD at home so they want their rental to have it. They are more likely to buy Tesla to keep FSD. I’m not sure why they wouldn’t want to copy the ecosystem approach Apple uses, even if it’s more open (superchargers/batteries/etc.)

I mean…. He asked people to pay for it with a promise it was just around the corner… if that’s not dirty wtf is?

it's people that bought, that number is a fraction of the cars on the road

Joke aside can they fix my HW4 computer before please? Been two months still waiting for the parts…

Of all the shenanigans of all the companies out there Tesla is your target. Subprime bubble, stealing of personal data, defrauding customers and Tesla is the target.

I doubt hw4 is capable of unsupervised FSD, so likely they will be upgrading to AI5 or even AI 6 or 8 or whatever they call the computer when it actually works. If it actually works.

lol. Yes, there's only one company that I have disdain for because they ripped off their customers... Come on, man...

Not sure what is a ripoff, FSD gets better and better. Let me guess you put time constraints on technology, is there a blue print for companies to meet your time frame for development. I guess big banks can do As they please but If Tesla doesn’t meet a deadline for an incredible innovation, they are ripping everyone off. Take your hate elsewhere, I appreciate the evolvement of FSD, I use it everyday

Must be nice to have a functioning democracy.

I’m gonna upgrade and then transfer when offered. Tesla needs to realize it’s cheaper to transfer whenever a new vehicle is purchased and should be the way forward.

what if i bought the car used with FSD?

> Let me guess you put time constraints on technology, is there a blue print for companies to meet your time frame for development No Elon put the time frames (multiple) on the technology

First time I've been excited by my 2017 MS in a while. Bought new with FSD. However, it's important to note that Elon's lips were moving when he said this....

Does paying monthly for FSD count?

Do your issue is him keeping time frame but not the product that is present. Wow innovation and game changing technology doesn’t matter as long as Elon keeps his timeframe.

Wondering the same thing

I’ll bet they will be offered some damn good deals to upgrade to a new car with FSD transfers first. I got a pretty good deal with the transfer last fall.

I think I paid for 10k

Can you try typing that comment again so I know wtf you’re saying

I hate that this is how I think about any purchase I make that's more than like a 150 bucks lol "hmm I could buy this, or I could invest the money and then buy it once I've doubled the money!"

And then theres me debating on getting fsd with referral credits just for the hell of it on HW3 or just buy a new car 🥶

It frustrates me that everyone is making an automatic assumption that HW3 will be upgraded to HW4 and expects Tesla to reengineer HW4 to be retrofitted into a HW3 vehicle. Hellooooo… AI5 is actively in development! By the time they develop a HW4 equivalent retrofit all the HW4 people will be crying about AI5 upgrades. Heck, they might as well also design AI5 with a HW4 retrofit in mind because we all know it’s going to happen. Seems like nobody can see past the end of their nose, no foresight whatsoever…

That's actually probably a good way to get the upgrade... Just don't share your referral code here.

Right ! Thats how I”m justifying it, so torn 🤣

Can we buy FSD now if we have HW3 and get the upgrade?

Agreed it will not be exactly the same as HW4. Anything better than HW3 is better than nothing for me on a car I intend to own for many more years.

It also ignores the fact I need a car now and can't wait 8 years.

Yesterday I set up an appointment to have HW3 upgraded to 4. TL;DR Rep messaged me and said it would be 6-12 months before they create hardware that can be retrofit into my '21.

Implying you can’t buy a car without paying for FSD upfront?

Thanks for sharing that. I will plan for the appointment in 2026 then.

I told an online rep today that if they double my trade-in value and bring back FSD transfer, I'll put that money towards a native HW4 tomorrow. Gives them an easy way out of upgrading my computer.

So far according to the conference call, only those that own FSD will be eligible for an upgrade. They can shrink the die and make HW4 fit in the form factor designed for HW3. As far as power goes, the PCS and LV battery will need an upgrade to accommodate the increased power consumption. No, They won't be giving trade-in plus 15k towards a new car, or let you keep FSD for any vehicle you log in to for the rest of your life. Chances are, they'll say they're 'working on retrofits' until all of our cars are in the scrapyard.

Both my vehicles are FSD included, one is a 2024 the other a 2021. How would that benefit others in a similar situation? They owe us an upgrade, plain and simple.

It wouldn’t benefit you. Tesla has to eat the hardware fix in your case.

If you bought 5k Tesla stock in 2016, it would be worth 130k today…

If i had invested the money into Tesla instead of buying FSD/autopilot in 2018 I would have 10x’d my money by now. If I knew this is where FSD was going to be at in 2025 I would not have bought it.

Buy a gas car

haha maybe so, i was thinking of trading up to hw5 from hw3 we’ll see which comes first.

Maybe this has been answered but I pay for FSD monthly for my MS, will Tesla consider retrofitting my HW3 with HW4 also ? Didn’t pay for FSD package at the beginning.

I would hope the retrofit will include the horizontal screen so it can follow the update for all tesla vehicles. Heck, I would love to do a paid upgrade to MCU 3 too.

In Europe we still don't know if fsd will ever be released. So should I buy this fsd package to get this upgrade? What if it never became useful on europe or take so long that I already changed cars.

It’s possible that they will. I got in on a promo to buy a highland and the price I paid for enhanced auto pilot on old m3 transferred to the new car and I only paid the 3k difference. They run specials all the time to drum up sales. Typically near earnings lol

>This statement brought to you by the man who said in ~~2019~~ 2016 that all Tesla cars already had the technology he's now saying will need to be retrofitted. FTFY -- 2016 -- he's been saying this shit for a decade and already done a retrofit once.

>If Tesla only pays for those who purchased the FSD package to upgrade, they are completely in the wrong and should be sued. This is not the first time around this rodeo -- I told folks the same back in the HW 2.5 to HW3 retrofit. Yet I'm not aware of a single class action that came out of it... I didn't have standing back then because I had purchased FSD. If I was you I would assume that if you haven't bought the FSD package you are not getting a retro... that was what happened last time. That said good luck suing a company owned by the defacto president of the united states.

>So then I could pay $100 to subscribe for 1 month and get a free hardware upgrade? Makes no sense. Yes it does make sense. The car was marketed to you and others saying it had all the hardware necessary. You already paid for the hardware to run FSD. Just because you don't have the software subscription doesn't mean you shouldn't get the hardware you already paid for. I made this same argument last time. This is deja-vu 5 years later.

At that time the subscription wasn't even an option. It was just a guarantee for FSD owners that their car would be able to do unsupervised FSD. And they made good on that through free hardware upgrades for FSD owners when necessary. FSD subscribers are guaranteed nothing except the current functionality of FSD for the current month of their subscription. Don't like it? Stop paying for it.

>It was just a guarantee for FSD owners that their car would be able to do unsupervised FSD. Negative. This is incorrect. It was not a guarantee to FSD owners. It was a guarantee to ALL owners. Whether you bought FSD or not. The marketing and campaign wasn't just if you bought this trim package (FSD) you had the hardware necessary... the marketing was if you bought any car produced by Tesla you had the hardware necessary and would only require paying for software unlock if you didn't pay for it at point of sale. >And they made good on that through free hardware upgrades for FSD owners when necessary. Well thats not true -- they still don't have unsupervised FSD for anyone so they haven't made good on anything yet. >FSD subscribers are guaranteed nothing except the current functionality of FSD for the current month of their subscription. The fact that Tesla made the software unlock subscription based to add some revenue is irrelevant. Again the promise was that all owners have the hardware necessary for full self driving. If I sell you a computer with the guarantee it has all the hardware necessary to play GTA6 and GTA6 comes out needing twice the amount of RAM I sold you... it doesn't matter at all if you never buy GTA6. You don't have what was promised... your resale value has been damaged. I can't turn around and say well you didn't buy GTA6 so too bad.

You can't use FSD if you don't buy FSD, so this only matters to people who bought FSD. I'm saying they made good on upgrading FSD owners' hardware when necessary to run FSD, and they're continuing to do that. Obviously unsupervised is still in development. In this analogy, buying GTA6 comes with free installation of the necessary RAM, so it doesn't actually matter whether the computer originally had the RAM for GTA6. If anything, Tesla coming out with the FSD subscription *increases* resale value for cars that don't have FSD purchased on them.

>You can't use FSD if you don't buy FSD, so this only matters to people who bought FSD. No, it also matters to people who want to resell their car. If there are two identical vehicles on the used market... one that requires a service center visit to have hardware installed and one that doesn't. No reasonable consumer would say those cars would be priced at the same value. Especially consumers where service center visits are reasonably distant and/or booked several months out (as is common) >In this analogy, buying GTA6 comes with free installation of the necessary RAM, so it doesn't actually matter whether the computer originally had the RAM for GTA6. It didn't last time. I don't know why you assume it will this time. Last time FSD subscribers had to pay 1k. -- 1k for hardware they already had allegedly paid for. But again it doesn't matter. I don't care if you as a consumer ever buy GTA6.. I either sold you the hardware to run it or I didn't. Telling you I'll only give you what you already paid for if you buy this other thing from me is wrong. This seems to be a difficult concept for you so let me try again to break it down for you. FSD can be broadly broken up into two components: 1. Hardware -- The computer, sensors, the car itself. If you can touch it in the real world its hardware. 2. Software -- The software package that runs everything. If you can deliver it over the internet or via a quick usb plugin install its software. With me so far? Now everyone, regardless of trim level, since 2016.... already paid for the hardware. It was bundled with the car purchase. Even if you bought no optional extras (including the software) you paid for the hardware. Every single owner for a decade bought the hardware necessary. No one forced Tesla to market and sell the hardware with all cars. They made that decision. They could have easily locked the hardware to a specific trim.. they chose not to. Or even better they could have not sold FSD before they actually knew what hardware was necessary in the first place.. but they made that decision. Now turns out that people who already paid for component 1... who happen to not have purchased component 2... are being told they need to shell out more for component 1. I'm sorry but in my opinion that is wrong. They already paid for it... tough luck Tesla in my opinion. Now would it be expensive to update everyone, even those that didn't pay for the software... of course. Fraud and misleading marketing is often an expensive endeavor... tough shit in my opinion. Frankly -- I can't wait to have this exact same conversation when version 6 or version 7 comes out. See ya again in 5 years....

I'm in a similar boat. I have a 2018 model 3 with advanced autopilot that came with the car. Tesla was generous and gave me a free HW3 upgrade even without a FSD purchase. And now I have the $2,000 option to buy FSD and I'm wondering will they do the retrofit down the road if I buy it?

Same question. Let me know if you find out the answer. Thx

How’d you convince Tesla to give you the HW3 upgrade for free? I just tried asking Tesla and they told me I would have to pay $1000.

Did they give you a price estimate?

I bought 5k Tesla stock in 2017 and it was worth 55k when I sold it a year ago. Sorta paid for my Y except its in my retirement account

HW5 is supposed to have 10x the compute power of HW4, which is not quite maxed out for capability but isn't that far off. There's a real chance it can't do unsupervised either. I'd spend $8k to upgrade my HW3 MY to HW5 but not to HW4. If I were Tesla, instead of making a custom retrofit HW4 chip, I'd just design HW5 to be a drop-in to either/both. Or, I may consider an $8k discount to trade for a Juniper but that seems wasteful

The main constraint is power draw. If they manage to keep the same power draw of HW3, then no need to replace wiring harness and this would be a smart move. Higher computational capabilities with the same power draw, ie. increase the efficiency. This could be possible with a smaller node process.

So I've been trying to sort this out. I bought my tesla \*with 8000 miles on it\* from tesla used. The used price made sense because FSD was included and I wanted it. Will I be getting a HW4 upgrade if they go that route (2023 M3P)

No, but the FAQ when stating the purpose of my appointment said it would be complimentary, and the tech mentioned nothing about cost

Clueless and wasteful comment

Yawn 🥱

Is there a cut off date? If I buy full FSD now, do I get the free hardware update?

Thank you!

I have a 2019 HW3 Model 3. I have both the full FSD and acceleration boost on the car which I bought from Tesla used (came with FSD and accel boost). They just set me a $2500 estimate for the HW4 upgrade. Does this seem right? This is my second tesla. The first I bought new from them and paid outright for FSD. This one I bought used from tesla and it already had FSD (full, not subscription). Anyone else run into this?

I thought they don’t even have a solution for this. How did they quote a price as if it is an option? Did anyone else get offered this upgrade

There is no retrofit for HW3 to HW4

Although I paid $2k for FSD primarily for the upgrade from HW2.5 to HW3. The car also getting HW4 seems like a good deal for me, and makes the purchase seem reasonable. The HW3 upgrade was about 15 minutes and they came by, turned the car off, pulled the old logic board and CPU and a put in a new one, turned the car on and when it restarted fine I had the current visualization graphics that require HW3. It feels like the longer for FSD to come along the better for long term owners of the car. I'm not sure what will happen when there are cars with old hardware and they are trying to upgrade FSD after it is released. I don't think Musk has worried about that yet.

The biggest issues with the older model 3s seems to be the suspension and batteries. The cars were hurriedly built, but reportedly engineered to last a million miles, with wear items being replaced. Also, the cars are more or less software defined, and they run the latest software, so you don't really get much of an upgrade by buying a new car. I drove a car six years newer than mine, and I was honestly shocked by how little difference there is between it and mine. Better, range and a bit quieter, but also, takes longer to heat and cool (even though the heat pumps are more efficient and give better range)

I guess it depends on what you thought you were buying. I thought I was buying an upgraded computer, that may or may not have software for it. Not, what was promised by Elon but reasonable. And with the second CPU, GPU, and logic board upgrade it feels like a really good purchase, especially since logic boards tend to start failing at about the age of my logic board. So, a new board resetting the wear on the board seems pretty nice. Especially if FSD requires HW5 to actually run and I get a third upgrade 😊

Ouch. The upgrade to FSD was $1k to $2k and came with the HW3 upgrade for free. (the only reason I upgraded from EAP to FSD)

3 month old thread. The issue is the promises and given time frames. Tesla wants the money up front and the features…..eventually.

No

I bought a used model S with HW3, so as the second owner does anyone know if I qualify for the free HW 4 upgrade?

I couldn't buy the HW3 ugrade by itself. I had to buy the full FSD to get HW3. In Australia.

Apparently they don’t want to give me the upgrade. From tesla (in app) Based on your vehicle configuration, you currently have the Full Self-Driving Computer 3 installed. According to Tesla's policy, FSD computer upgrades are only included with FSD subscriptions if you don't already have the FSD computer installed.