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Now all that needs to happen is for it to be applicable for the federal ev discount. Without creating an llc. Then I’ll get one.
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A number of folks are just waiting on the price to come down a bit.
Not that high. As moderator of /r/Cybertruck we still have a lot of folks trying to get in, most folks are waiting for the price to come down a little more. Remember, a lot of folks pre-ordered a ~$50,000 truck, and this isn't there yet. People want a truck where the tax credit applies, which is tricky because the next administration is unlikely to renew it.
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Nobody likes this inflated price and lack of promised features. Featureless truck.
EPA added it. Can’t be long. Or, Tesla knows the IRA tax credit is dead in a few days and not worth the effort. But hey, single motor is on its way at least.
Isn't there yet? There won't be a 50k cyber truck. At least not of the same specs that was advertised in 2017. A lot of people will cancel their orders the longer the wait.
There's no world in which the cyber truck is ever sold for 50k. Add to that it is significantly less capable than its class competitors from Chevy and Ford, and nobody is waiting. They've moved on.
To be blunt - Yes, they definitely made it. But it doesn't seem like a whole lot of people are buying them. There are 24 in inventory (at a discounted price) between the only 2 delivery centers within a 200 mile radius of my house. What does that equate to nationwide? A thousand sitting on lots? More? The truck had an estimated 2 million pre-orders. People were wondering if they'd get their truck within 6 years of placing an order. In less than 14 months they went from 1st delivery to discounted inventory ready for immediate pick up. Unless something drastic changes, I can't see this vehicle sticking around for very long.
Means nothing yes. But I’m still laughing at all the idiots that have now gone from “it won’t be made” to “it’s only converted like 10% of reservations..”
I mean. After test driving it, I wouldn’t call it featureless. Not at all. And I wouldn’t blame people for waiting a few weeks until the price drops.
It is now. As long as it’s under $80k. So base config AWD.
Less capable than its class competitors lol. The Silverado EV has nice range, I’ll give it that. But Ford? The Lightning is worse in every way but price. It’s fine if you don’t like the looks of the CT or Elon’s politics or whatever, but there’s no need to lie about the capabilities of the product.
Rivian has been losing money on every vehicle they sell. Is Tesla losing money on the cyber truck at current pricing, and would they if they cut the price further?
I personally love the way it looks. Considered leasing the cyber truck as it’s only a little more than my 3 car payment, but I really love my model 3.
Featureless? Obviously you haven't spent any time with one and have only read FUD lol. The price is hardly inflated unless you also consider the Hummer EV, Silverado EV, and Rivian inflated? If Tesla had never announced a price at the initial unveiling, nobody would be bitching about it now.
I’ve owned three Teslas and Turo’ed a rivian R1s last week. What a vehicle. I will be driving an RS1 before 2026.
I wouldn't say it's meaningless. CT was riddled with issues. It took forever to be released, ended up costing way more than was promised, had every manner of quality control issues, production ramp was glacial, and the company is being run by a (to put it nicely) hugely polarizing person. And yet it still outsold other more established and higher quality vehicles.
Some are waiting for the 500 mile range version
You sound just like the Tesla detractors in 2016. The irony is palpable
Sweeeeet!! I know people online love hating on CyberTruck/Tesla/Elon these days, but I love seeing CyberTruck win. I paid the pre-order the second it came out years ago, and got the foundation series invite but haven’t pulled the trigger just yet. Waiting on a few things (local Tesla to open up test drives, need to see how big it is in my garage and hoping for some benefits like free charging for X amount, I plan on driving it everywhere!). Wish there was subreddits that didn’t have all the Tesla hate, it’s hard weeding out the loud kids online, I feel like I’m in a Playstation Vs Xbox war.
No it’s not. At least not point of sale. I know because I already tried at the Tesla service center.
The buyer pool at $80-100k is smaller than at $50-70k, and we’re in a higher interest rate environment now than we were during most of the preorder years. When the price comes down, interest rates come down, people are less worried about impending recession, and more people test drive them and find out 99.9% of the FUD around the truck is complete bullshit, it’ll do just fine working through many of those reservation holders. It’s so strange to me that so many people think it’s on its way out when it’s the best selling EV pickup by a country mile. Do you also think the Lightning, R1T, Hummer EV, and Silverado EV are on their way out given that they sell in significantly fewer quantities?
I know several people who have cancelled, including me.
Oh that’s odd. The EPA added it to the list so it should be any day down then.
Funny, ppl said the exact same thing about the model 3.
Sold my model 3 and went with a Rivian back in 2022. I'd highly recommend it.
Pretty sure the CyberTruck will be sticking around for years, I think it’ll only get better as things improve, prices go down, it’s more readily available and other features/benefits come out (whether that’s incentives, new hardware, etc). I feel like what we’re seeing is only worst case scenario. Reminds me of Tesla and electric cars in general, so much un-needed hatred, baseless arguments, but it all succeeded in the end.
All fun and games until you go to make a service appointment that’s available in 4 months…. Ask me how I know
Did anybody think they wouldn’t actually make it? Many thought they’d never make it at $39,900 like they said they would, and so far that’s obviously very true.
I mean I see at least 5, 6 of them daily
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Exactly. The performance 3 was 60k or something when it launched. Tesla will work the price of the CT down. Probably not to where they originally promised but to where it's the most compelling vehicle in its class, like the 3 and Y are today. Total cost of ownership for them is really quite affordable
I haven't canceled yet but aren't buying one either. I'm just waiting to see if it will land me any future perks. But will cancel once the email comes that it's ready to order
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will Reddit be okay? trick question, I know the answer
LOL worse in every way except for that pesky useable pickup truck bed.... or V2H. And that whole frame thing.....
> They are doing everything Tesla is doing Elaborate? Do you think they have an equivalent level of talent and ability to pivot?
I liked the concept when it first was announced... this is a disappointment. Waiting for the 2nd or 3rd iteration... otherwise, I'll look into Rivian in the meantime, like most others.
Single Motor version will be around 50k after the tax credit when it releases later this year.
I can't get behind the headlight designs on Rivians. It looks bad enough to me that I would never buy them even though I think they're nice cars.
well, it was delayed, but most of the naysayers will claim that covid, the supply chain and part shortages didn't affect it -- except, it happened right after it was announced and Tesla wasn't going to prioritize a new vehicle design and 48v framework for the supply chain when they needed to focus on their profitable 3 and Y (while also pivoting) and reprogramming off the shelf non-standard (as it for vehicles) chips to maintain production. People always forget all that. "iTs nEveR cOminG oUt!". stupid people.
Uh the bed is plenty usable lol. It’s 6 inches longer than the F150 Lightning’s bed and has more usable width. In fact the powered tonneau cover and sails add some capacity for anything you’d need to transport covered. The CT has V2H… and 20% more V2H current draw than the F150 Lightning btw. And the frame thing was bullshit, which you’d know if you did any research at all lol. Yes the frame will crack if you drop the truck from 6 feet with the entire truck’s weight directly on the frame, but here in the real world, that’s not an issue. You can do better than this.
Will you be okay?
Yes i do think they are on the way out
40k truck hasn’t even started selling yet. That was the base model.
And people reserving to resell. I had 3 reservations. A buddy of mine had 10. Tesla made it fine to resell in the first year, killing many plans (which I agree with).
Length and volume are 2 totally different things. Story of my life.
How does the FSD compare?
Yes and the Cybertruck’s bed has more length and more volume than the F150 Lightning’s lol. And because the wheel wells aren’t poking into the CT’s bed like they are in the Lightning, it’s also just more practical and usable than the Lightning’s. Do you not research anything before making bullshit claims?
Terra is going to be bigger than the R1T, almost certainly a bigger battery than the R1T, and the Buzz with an 86kwh battery starts at $61.5k, less than $10k under a base R1T. VW already has a ton of debt, I think there's no way Scout is going to build a brand new factory and start selling an even bigger, more expensive vehicle starting at $50k.
Youre right, theyre the best!
There's a fairly large contingent on the internet that swore up and down it was never going to be released.
Are you 14 years old?
I had a pre-order that I then cancelled. I had a few reasons: 1. 2+ years of delay killed enthusiasm. The CT isn’t a practical car for most people, and that sinks in when you have 2 years to mull on it. 2. The resale market for CT is abysmal so I’d never buy it new if I ever bought it 3. Elon + Tesla marketing deliberately deceived us about the 500mi range tri-motor. Tesla engineers knew this was never going to happen. That deception burned a lot of trust for me. 4. Poor quality control 5. Tough competition. Rivian, Scout, Hummer, Ford, Chevy, etc. 6. Interest rates are much higher now than when I pre-ordered I’m not against Tesla or the CT (I still respect they built something that crazy). But I’m not a fan boy, either. I just got bored waiting for 2 years and there are other, cooler cars to follow.
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I don’t know why there’s a lot of pushback! Saw a few Cybertruck on the road lately and they look awesome!
Tsela has actually announced a couple months back that the Cybertruck is already profitable for them, so there's room to lower the price if they felt like it. The trick is to reduce manufacturing complexity as well.
Because some people think that they don't look awesome, and have made it their whole personality to hate have irrational hate towards the trucks.
I haven’t cancelled my preorder. I’m waiting for self driving transfer, lower interest (like the other Tesla), and possibly a price drop. I’m still enjoying my Model 3 Performance (which I plan to keep).
Best selling out of four electric trucks!
Same thing with Telsa... I've been waiting for repairs on my Highland for 2 months now.
Have they fixed the ride quality issues yet? I tried R1T and R1S before picking the Cybertruck, and the ride is just so much rougher than in the CT and MXP, even worse than my first Tesla, the 2018 M3P, which I wouldn’t categorize as smooth at all. The second gen Rivian models also seem to have introduced a host of new issues. I like the styling, but it seems like they have some things to figure out still.
I get it. But to me the competition is literally a dumpster. I like the headlights. 0__________0
The hesdlivhts are my fav part of the rivian tbh.
I'll be fine. Thanks for asking.
You have to factor in inflation though no?
Brah, 40k cybertruck? Maybe a miniature one for the kids.
Amazing how even with the facts you people will try to explain your way into your predefined logic
I drive one, and it's sweet AF. I can't imagine a better daily driver, no matter your lifestyle.... okay, if you have 8 kids, I guess you might want a van, but otherwise? This thing is awesome. Manufactured negativity won't last forever. There aren't other vehicles capable of doing what CT does.
If CT sells slump, they'll have to go cheaper to move them. So there is a chance lol.
It’s so weird that folks stick to this pre-2020 number so hard and ignore inflation.
Because Reddit is a bubble, a heavily bot infested bubble at that.
Im 100% positive if this exact design was launch by a rival like Rivian or Lucid air, every single on of you who love the CT would hate on the design. It would bankrupt them. But Telsa can release anything, slap their name and it will sell.
Right, Many like myself have the ability to order right now. But we aren’t stupid. The price will drop and that’s when we all buy. Tesla has burned too many people with their pricing.
The model S plaid dropped $30k in price after a while.
I was in a quad motor, 2024(I think), with adjustable ride height and suspension, it was pretty firm ride, but it was better when I softened it up… my other vehicle is a 2024 tundra and that is really firm ride. I didn’t notice it being distractingly firm, TBH. But holy shit that thing is stupid fast, and then when you realize it’s 8000 lbs and is that fast. Just wow. If you look at their website it says the quad motor isn’t shipping until later this year, so I’m not sure how this guy acquired this one…but the computer definitely said quad motor.
Rivians are really ugly with the stupid headlights that look like shocked eyes. Shocked that anyone bought such an ugly truck.
A 40k inflation adjusted Cybertruck will never exist. Just like the late 2021 release date. Hyperbolic marketing is not designed for accuracy
Specifically? (FSD not included)
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This would be meaningful if a significant amount of people were buying electric trucks.
I cancelled my preorder the day after they changed the delivery schedule to ship the more expensive tri-motor first. After that Ford actually announced AND shipped an electric truck, during covid no less. The Tesla feedback form was truncated to 255 char
"Best selling electric pickup truck." Well that qualifier says everything doesn't it.
I do, in fact, consider them all inflated. I'll keep driving my old truck awhile more.
If it’s important don’t get the Rivian. Driver+ isn’t good on Gen 1. Supposed to be better in Gen 2 but I haven’t tried it. About the only thing I miss moving from my 3P
It's listed as eligible on the EPA website so it should get it soon, nobody is sure why it doesn't have it yet
I really like Rivian and everything they are doing but aren’t they hemorrhaging money?
The qualifier best selling electric pickup is the key. I own a Tesla. I also own a pickup truck. I have no interest in an electric pickup truck. It's a much smaller market than a general electric vehicle, and at that price point even smaller.
But you can get behind a dumpster design?
69.9 for the AWD before 7.5 credit and I’d probably pull the trigger.
Not sure if you're going to be right or wrong about this, but it'll be interesting to come back to this in a couple of years. This has basically been said about every single Tesla product ever.
Yeah, I think it’s more that the bottom fell out of the high end EV market than that the cybertruck is selling as well as they hoped it would. Until they get costs and prices down it’s going to be tough
Used R1Ts are in the 40s now and the quad motor first gen vehicles came with a pretty long factory warranty-5/60 comprehensive and 8/175K powertrain. It’s shorter for the lower end models but a used quad motor R1T is a fantastic value right now because you still have so much time under warranty.
lol you wish
I think a big portion was the price, however for me it was not the price nor the look, it was the range. And I see people reiterating this over and over. Such a huge portion of orders was for a 500 mile range truck.
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Says a lot that the /r/cybertruck sub is private too. 🤔 Like if people were actually excited about the truck, wouldn't they have the sub open like this one lol
This is what I was thinking. That won’t be an enduring statistic I can bet my first born on it.
if they can get the range higher or the cost down, it could be americas best selling truck
I really want the CT to succeed if for no reason than for it to become normalized and people stop doing things like flipping off total strangers just for driving them.
Still waiting for the RWD version and possible getting it used depending on what they end up pricing it as. We were quoted far different prices even with inflation it’s wildly more expensive than it was planned.
"truck"
The sales guy theorized that it’s only for the 2025 model. And they are still only selling 2024. I’m not sure if he was guessing or not.
Wow I am very impressed with what I saw on Terra. I will say Tesla has the software and self driving that is hard to replace and I would find it hard to leave. But the Terra looks like a real competitor to what I wanted in an electric truck.
“Sad little king of a sad little hill.”
Its not even pricing for me, I was sold on 500 mile range, and I hope it comes through without a stupid extender taking up the bed space.
Isn’t there only like 3 electric trucks
Honestly this is so widespread and I also passed, I have a hard time imagining this is not true.
Had a pre-order and cancelled as well. I cancelled because I put in pre-orders for both the F150 Lightning and the Cybertruck for work... and Ford just delivered about a year before Tesla did. No regrets. It does all the truck shit well - 360 camera is extremely useful for jobsites and tight spaces. Frunk is huge and powers the jobsite microwave LOL and we can power our tools and charge batteries. We bolted in a bed liner, toolboxes, and a lumber rack as well. Don't think toolboxes and a lumber rack are viable options on the Tesla.
Shhhh you guys stop it!!! Reddit told me Tesla are terrible cars. How can this be 🤷🏻♂️ /s
It is rather fast for being so lifted. The real problem is range so it’s enormously capable but you’re not towing with it or over landing. For me at least, my Tacoma seemed more capable in Colorado and the model 3 fills in the rest, for less sticker price but probably more maintenance.
I think many people didn't think Tesla would be dumb enough to make that car. They haven't made a mass market appeal car since ~~2018~~ 2020, and they blew over half a decade coming up with this novelty piece that didn't really have a market. Here they are now in 2025 with a truck that isn't good at being a truck that's significantly more expensive than all of their competition. This was a very bad business decision, and did not help their bottom line as much as making their cars more reliable and expanding their servicing footprint.
It's a cool concept that could be improved upon. I like the looks but I can't see myself buying one until well into production where it's both more affordable and much more refined. But since it's selling I can see Tesla would put more money into improving it. I honestly wouldn't doubt if they somehow sold a smaller stripped down work truck version for fleets.
Weird flex.. but okay.
Only because it’s a Tesla and related to Elon.
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Well they beat the EV version of the best selling truck in the country which has a 4 year head start on it. So idk
Where do you live? I only ever see one at a time, and typically they’re pavement princesses (always spotless and never towing anything) in the middle of rich suburbs, and even then I don’t see them that often.
Electric pickup is extremely useful for municipal fleets - they do all local work and can charge in a yard overnight. I have one at work as well for project manager use and super useful and can even tow the bobcat regularly. It replaced our F250 diesel.
I like Tesla because they're speeding up adoption of green energy, namely EVs, solar, and battery tech. They've done this so far by making products that are entirely superior to their competition using this technology. The Cybertruck does not do this, and in fact has taken valuable development time, attention, and money away from products which would further that goal. Tesla will likely either have to can production, essentially writing off the Cybertruck as a loss, or Elon will continue it at cost to the company (further sinking more money into a hopeless product). I enjoyed how different the Cybertruck looked from everything else, but as a stockholder of Tesla and as a green energy supporter, this car was a waste of resources at a pivotal time, both for Tesla as a company and for the climate.
I was told those 2 million CT reservation holders would be flocking to Ford and Rivian to buy a normal looking truck…
They felt like it and lowered the price $20k after they said that.
The knots people twist themselves in to argue the utility of the cybertruck are fascinating. This is a novelty. The entire purpose was to be novel. There are simpler, off the shelf ways to do everything this truck supposedly does well. I think this vehicle will lead the way to burying the entire US automotive industry. It has been successful so far and the formula will be copied by other automotive brands. But I think cars like this are pushing things too far. I think once you make stupid novelties this expensive, people might snap out of the keeping up with the joneses stupor and realize that a novelty isn’t worth getting into dangerous levels of debt over. And maybe they’ll realize that most cars are just novelties.
The graph shows 5 trucks.... and honestly, I'm kinda amazed that the EV market already has 5 pickup trucks. That's... kind of amazing.
My son in law had the MOSFETs blow in his rear motor while on a road trip. Fun stuff.
My bad deep pockets
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You keep talking and assuming CyberTruck is a disaster and a failure, and you’re mentioning this in a post/article about it’s success… so do you have any facts or proof that it’s a failure, that it’s a hopeless product, that they will can the production, that it’s costing the company to go in debt, etc?
Best selling electric pick up? OK, congratulations winning a category with zero competition
Same for all other EV trucks. Doesn’t make it not the best selling one of the bunch. Trying to put an asterisk next to that is ridiculous. It’s outselling the electric version of the best selling truck in history.
As one of those 2 million, no way I’m going to cybertruck with the reliability issues they have had with these early trucks. Price is too high and battery too small. I would rather go for Silverado or Rivian right now for battery and reliability respectively if prices weren’t so high. Likely just going to wait it out and see what happens. I’m in no rush.
Add #7 Insurance rates...
Honestly wish I had a need for an electric pickup, I'd get a Lightning in a second. Nothing against teslas, I've got two already, but I wouldn't take a Cybertruck for free.
>Rivian >Reliability Pick one.
Rivian R1T began selling in 2021. Ford F-150 Lightning began selling in 2022. GMC Hummer EV began selling in 2022. Tesla Cybertruck began selling in 2024. Despite a two or three year head-start, all other EV trucks are already outpaced by a vehicle that has not yet had a year of production.
> They haven't made a mass market appeal car since 2018 Tesla Model Y was released in 2020 and has been the world's best selling vehicle - not EV - vehicle, for two years now.
I absolutely love my Lightning. Hauls trailers like a beast.
My insurance on CT is almost half of model Y (before I sold it). CT is also cheaper for me than my plaid X.
That’s how I feel. I can’t justify paying MX plaid or MS plaid prices for MY range. Tesla absolutely need to drop the price to increase the range. It’s just not worth it at that price for me.
What graph is that?
Hummer, Rivian, Ford, and GMC are not competition? That's quite a compliment to Cybertruck!
For actual truck purposes, the F-150L wins hand over fist. I would never have a use for a pickup truck but if I had a valid use case it's the one I would get.
OH weird, I dunno how i got to it now, but here it is from my history: [https://insideevs.com/news/747195/tesla-cybertruck-sales-demand-2024/](https://insideevs.com/news/747195/tesla-cybertruck-sales-demand-2024/) The focus is on the sales decline, but I'm pretty sure the lightning had like a 50% decline in q4 or something... not sure why the same data is so difficult to find for f150 lighting.
Here's what I see as current BEV trucks currently available in North America: - Rivian R1T - Hummer EV - Ford F150 Lightning - Chevy Silverado EV - Tesla Cybertruck (obvs)
You're right, my mistake, will amend.
As a Cyberbeast owner, this truck is fucking amazing. Hands down the best thing I’ve ever driven. Glad to see others are getting a chance to own one too.
Out of interest, how does it's sales number compare to ICE trucks? I'm assuming that's the real target they're ultimately going after - to convert ICE truck sales to EV truck sales.
I love Tesla, own a lot of stock. I think Elon is a genius. But the Cybertruck, to me, is a miss. It's ok. Even if it is a total fail it impacts the trajectory of Tesla not at all. Not mentioned is that Cybertruck.is probably profitable or break even, while Ford, GM and Rivian are losing $30, $40k per truck. Pleasantly surprised that Cybertruck is out selling the others. Shows that Tesla also has the best manufacturing tech. I will say, many reviews of the Cybertruck claim that the ride is amazing. The acceleration is in super car territory. Tesla's worst still beats the others best.
It's not at all clear, the sales figures for cybertruck and the lightning are within a few thousand units of each other
And are reaching demand limits. I think now the tax credit applies (unless congress acts) so that is a price cut.
Yes, [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/wtneAdAPTe) in this thread highlighted how [the majority of these sales were pre-orders](https://insideevs.com/news/747195/tesla-cybertruck-sales-demand-2024/), meaning the sales Tesla made were mostly people who had already been convinced to buy one. Very few were new customers. The Cybertruck however has failed to attract more buyers because it's aiming for a very niche market. It's not a very good truck for towing or offroading and has minimal bed space and very bad visibility, so normal truck people are out. It's very expensive compared to other comparable gas trucks, so the value proposition is out. The only thing the Cybertruck excels at is being a very expensive, fast, big car that looks different. Unfortunately I don't think this is enough to save it. In my opinion, I think the money, time, and attention paid to this could have been spent in ways that would have brought more value to the brand, even if it made a small number of people very happy with their purchase.
Where did you see that the model y is the best selling vehicle in 2024?
1. What? It's the MOST practical vehicle I own and I own a 3 and a Y. The only thing impractical about it is the attention it attracts and that is dying down fast as everyone has seen one at this point. 2. Huh? I don't see anything under $90k on the used market. New ones start at 72k with tax credit... 3. Fair. 4. Dont believe everything you read on Reddit lol. 5. Tough? Rivians are tiny, the legacy ones are mostly a joke. None of them can match FSD, none of the legacy ones are useful off-road. Go test drive all of them. 6. Fair. What's a cooler car to you? Not judging or anything, just want to know...
The hummer isn't a serious competitor. It's between rivian , the cybertruck , and f150 lightning. As the Silverado came in late to the party in 2024.
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It was not the best selling vehicle of 2024, idk why people keep saying this, it was the Toyota Corolla
Newest vehicle to market outsells older un refreshed competition 🤯
What features does it have that the other trucks don't (I know steering by wire , which is cool)
And it's so badly designed that the production already stopped.
Nice
Not to be antagonistic but the CT can certainly be the most practical vehicle you own while not being the most practical vehicle you *could* own. I still like them, but I'm a bit too cheap to be a customer lol. The NEMA 1450 outlet in the bed must be nice.
All the other trucks were released between when the CT previews and when it actually released🤣
Municipal fleets? They're only going to be buying trucks to use them as actual trucks. They're going to want actual bedspace at a minimum - and most would want to swap the bed for a flat bed or a service box bed. Tesla designed out people who use trucks for actual truck things when they made the ct.
I own a AWD CT. I highly recommend you test drive one if you haven't. you will probably find it easier to drive the CT than those most of the time. Steer-by-wire, front bumper camera and automatic frunk are my most loved features.
Sales reps are usually just guessing/wrong about stuff, pretty sure Tesla is already shipping some 2025 Cybertrucks
Did the other ETrucks have any year that beats the CyberTruck?
Nice to see someone from the old homestead.
I'd buy a Rivian in a heartbeat if the dealership cabal and corrupt politicians in my state (NC) wouldn't prevent them from opening service centers in the State. Tesla was lucky and managed to sneak in a couple before they got wise and shut them down as well.
The design may not appeal to you but the engineering in this truck is definitely coming to future Tesla models. They have not missed a beat, and are still well ahead of the competition. Educate your self.
For their normal cars, yes. For the truck, Rivian is a much better truck if you're looking for a truck's normal use case. The Cybertruck is much more of a "big fast luxury car" niche than a truck. Most truck people are hesitant on the Cybertruck because of how poorly it handles things like range when towing or bed size.
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Trucks are one of the best selling types of vehicles in the US. Shouldn’t be surprising.
Every EV pick up is great, and I'm glad you enjoy your Lightning! Hope Ford can sell even more of them.
The truck people aren’t buying the other electric trucks either otherwise CT wouldn’t be leading electric trucks in sales.
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I would say this supports my argument that the Cybertruck has a niche consumer base that it needs to expand or it's going to face significant challenges to the justifications for it's existence.
That scene lives rent free in my head.
Florida
That’s 5 more EV pickups than had would have existed if it wasn’t for Tesla… just sayin. 😎
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Best selling EV pickup truck is not the flex you think it is. But carry on.
Do you have proof that they're grinding off the foundation series labeling?
Which future models. They just refreshed both the 3 and Y and neither have any of the new tech from the Cybertruck. There was a five year gap between refreshes so 2030 is when it will trickle down? Lol. The Model S and Model X have long since been forgotten. Anyone remember the Roadster? Because Elon sure doesn't. The Cybercab is the only realistic vehicle to get any of the tech, but as designed that won't be releasing with a steering wheel anytime soon either.
Not sure if the hummer counts but that’s another ev truck not listed
I wonder who is counting. I sure don’t see many Cybertrucks in metro Washington nor in southwest Florida.
IMO even if the towing was great (and I doubt it is, never tried), I still wouldn't do any long haul towing with an EV, simply because charging stations that I've seen are not designed to facilitate that. You'd be unhitching the trailer every time you plug in. I don't think I'd be happy doing that every 50 miles, or 100, or 200, or 500. If you're pulling anything regularly I think you gotta stick with ICE
Lack of range and six seats turned it from a practical family hauler to an expensive Model Y for me. It wasn’t even the price. I’m waiting for my Lucid Gravity.
Florida is where I see Cybertrucks the most
And when did reservations for the CT start?
Either of those are better vehicles than the CT.
Large competition segment....
I had a reservation and strongly considering R1T. The range on CT is extremely disappointing
Real talk. Is the Cybertruck capable off road?
Yeah open up the sub and let people vent their political frustrations, sounds like a lot of fun.
How are you getting most others? That's the point of this thread most others are not.
Dual motor owner here. I couldn’t agree more. It’s an amazingly easy vehicle to live with. I visit a place with valet parking pretty regularly and they always have big smiles when they see me pulling up.
Aren’t they like the number one rated in customer satisfaction in car brands at the moment in the us I think? I know nothing about their cars to be honest but I remember seeing that. You’d think reliability and satisfaction would go hand in hand
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I'm eyeing the Telos truck. It's smaller and yet a functional truck. I want something that fits in garage.
Can you elaborate on how CT is more practical than your 3 and Y? I have a Y and trying to convince wife on CT but I don’t see it as more practical than my MY.
Telo Truck is a clever vehicle. Hope it succeeds.
I have an R1T in the Charlotte area. They opened a service center in Greenville, SC last week and are opening in Raleigh I believe this month. Charlotte is coming a bit later this year. It's worth it!
Cybertruck arguably started “selling” in 2019.
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This is very anecdotal. I was able to get an appt with Rivian in 3 days here in Portland when needed. I’ll probably be trading in after my lease ends for an X or Y because of how impressed I am by FSD, but Rivian isn’t terrible everywhere for service appointments.
These all came off the line with issues. Anything from dead battery to front tires completely misaligned, can’t even remember all the shit that would go wrong. This was just one pic, there were a few hundred all over the yard that night. It’s usually pretty shitty. They push as many as they can off the line, once they come off they’re counted as finished, they would go sit around like this till they could get it right. https://preview.redd.it/emdb65hx8ade1.jpeg?width=813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfda8daeb2f09835f3ea707621b6fb6076fe71a7
The federal EV discount will be going away https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/12/05/musk-calls-for-ending-electric-vehicle-tax-credit-which-could-help-tesla/
I love mines!
The Tesla cyber truck has been for sale since like 2018 homie where you at.
I will 100% buy one eventually - I drove one and they are nuts!
RIP first born lol you should see the demand in Dubai and the Middle East
Way, way, way, waaaay better ride quality. Like just ridiculously better. Cured my wife's car sickness. The suspension on the CT is incredible. The cabin is much quieter. It's just better in every way. Way more roomy and obviously more room for stuff. If you're road tripping with a family of four or five you have plenty of room for everyone's things plus equipment for whatever activities you have planned. The secure bed is huge (figuratively and literally). I bought the Y for my wife after we bought the CT and almost immediately regretted not buying a second CT. Seriously. Best vehicle I have ever driven by a country mile and I have driven many vehicles, including a lot of trucks. The off road capability has come in handy many times already. For example, the road to my parents' house occasionally floods 20" deep, plus a few occasions at work (work for a drone company, went scouting out areas to fly drones) The four wheel steering + steer by wire makes it insanely easy to drive and easy to park for a truck. Feels more nimble than my model 3. Could hand the keys to anyone and they'll never scrape the side on a parking garage column or whatever. I can make a U turn in the space my 3 can make it.
Positive posts about Tesla on Reddit, surprised this has upvotes lol
They’re already starting to go on sale on the Inventory page. We’re talking like $1600 drops, but still… it’s starting.
My buddy canceled his preorder cause he realized it wouldn’t fit in his garage, lol.
Thanks! I think for me the Wh/mi gives me pause. I get it’s a much bigger car so more energy to move it around makes sense, but spending that much energy seems impractical. I was tempted by the unlimited supercharging incentive on the foundation models though!
I mean no? This is all incorrect. The Rivian is not better at being a truck. It has a much smaller bed, less interior space, less overall storage space, and is significantly less durable than the Cybertruck. In its highest towing capacity config, it does tow 1000 lbs more than the Cybertruck. In real world tests, the Cybertruck and R1T max pack get roughly the same range despite the R1T’s ~100 mile lead in EPA rating. They also get similar towing range despite again the R1T’s EPA rating lead. The bed is tiny compared to the Cybertruck’s, which is fine given that it’s a much smaller truck, but let’s not pretend it’s better at truck things. The wheel wells poking into the tiny bed like on every other EV truck but the CT gives even less usable space. Unfortunately no EV pickup gets great range while towing, so that issue isn’t unique to the Cybertruck. I’m hoping the Silverado EV does better in this regard, but I have concerns after seeing the Escalade EV’s real world range tests. If the Cybertruck and R1T Max Pack get roughly the same towing range now, the Cybertruck will pull ahead substantially with the range extender when it ships. And what are you talking about saying people are hesitant to buy the Cybertruck because of the bed size? It literally has the biggest bed of any EV pickup. It’s a 6 foot bed vs the Silverado EV’s 5’11” bed (very similar other than the extra storage the CT had with the sail shape), F150 Lightning’s 5.5’ bed, Hummer EV’s 5’ bed, and R1T’s 4.5’ bed. The volume below the mounting rails is roughly the same between the Cybertruck and Silverado EV, but if you count all the space below the tonneau cover, which is all easily usable, it has substantially more than the Silverado EV, and even more than every other EV pickup.
They are constantly able to hit these “worlds best selling model” stats precisely because they have such a slim line up with only 2 mass market vehicles despite being in operation for 20+ years. Competitors like BYD have like…20 models, so will simply never beat Tesla on those stats because they prefer product breadth.
Well, it was announced with a far cheaper price. That price is the reference that people mean when they say "inflated", given that a cheap price can be an argument to buy something over its competitor. Effectively by raising the price tesla took away a major argument for their car. And knowing that musk knew they could not deliver for the initially given price and announcing it anyway is why people are nothing "bitching" about it now. Of course the price is in the same range as the competitors. That is not what was promised, though. Your choice whether to blame people for believing the initial supposed price tag or to blame musk for dishonest marketing. They're right to not care about it though. As they say "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me".
I just used a Lightning to tow a Model Y 400 km through mountainous winter roads. I was very impressed.
I think you misunderstand my comment. The point I was calling out is that the truck is “featureless,” which is patently false. Check the headline of the post you’re on lol. The Cybertruck is the best selling EV pickup. The market has spoken, and they choose the Cybertruck over every other available EV pickup option. Tesla added a host of new features to the Cybertruck between when it was announced and when it started shipping, pushing it well ahead of competitors in feature set, and there was plenty of pent up demand, so of course they priced the truck at what the market will bear while manufacturing and supply chain costs are higher. Because of this, the Cybertruck is the only profitable EV pickup to date. Every competing EV pickup loses money hand over fist. The fact is that the entire global economy was hit with record inflation due to COVID, and Tesla remained profitable deposits this and the higher interest rate environment we find ourselves in. Like I said, if Tesla had never announced a price at all at the initial revealing, nobody would be bitching about the price. It’s funny that you say so definitively that Elon knew they couldn't deliver it at that price. They’ve maintained profitability on the platform despite dropping the price $20k since launch (dropping the foundation series). What makes you think they’ll just stop pushing manufacturing cost lower over time? Adjusted for inflation, what price will satisfy you enough to stop making libelous accusations of “dishonest marketing?” Or does Tesla not get to adjust for inflation like other manufacturers can?
Lightning and Rivian came to market before CT, though.
My jaw dropped when he said that. It's just wild flailing, isn't it.
It's amazing how fast people run away from their claims. Where they once claimed that legacy was going to eat Tesla alive or at least, by being first to market with an EV truck, they were going to eat CT alive, now they relegate the other trucks to "zero competition".
And just like the Nissan Leaf, look how much better they are doing.
How is that going to change this year. Or the next.
The Leaf did its part, so no shame, there.
Not all the version are out yet. The RWD is on its way after the first adopters are done buying the Beast.
The Ford isn't built on the best selling truck planform and did not have a head start. We need to give legacy out a chance here. (/s just in case)
I paid for and purchased, a new, Model 3 for my parents before the refresh for $28k. Just like Elon promised I could. There will be a $40k Cybertruck.
People keep forgetting that the mass market version with RWD still is not built.
I rent pickup trucks and have never seen the need for one. What are EV trucks missing?
It has a built in lockable bed without modification. How is that not useful?
Everyone who has moved from EV back to ICE drove a Leaf. Them not watercooling the batteries was a huge mistake.
I've got to say, I really don't know why people bought it. I think it's up there with the Chrysler PT and Fiat Multipla for the least aesthetically pleasing road vehicles ever built, to put it nicely. I guess everyone has their tastes though.
That’s a pretty sweeping statement. Where is that data from?
Oof, Rivian.
Yeah, but, but, but . . . just wait!!!! You will see! Just wait!! - the internet
It is for leases. I’m not sure why cash/finance doesn’t have it yet.
The subreddit is private because there's a lot of irrational hostility towards Cybertruck owners. There are oppositional subreddits which were taking content from /r/Cybertruck and reposting it on their subreddit, which would then cause brigading in /r/Cybertruck. We couldn't ban people fast enough, and even a ban doesn't stop someone from looking at the subreddit, and reposting the content elsewhere, when then encourages bad actors to troll the subreddit, despite OP having been banned. We keep debating on opening the subreddit back up again, then something like this happens, and the trolls come out again.
I meant the EV trucks wouldn’t have existed if it wasn’t for Tesla successfully making EVs in the beginning. Ford never wanted to make an EV truck let’s be honest lol.
The Silverado also just finally started selling cars too, they have not been able to scale up production.
In the American market. There are more outside of it
Cars and Coffee. "I used to own an EV and now I'm driving this ICE because it was complete garbage. What EV did you drive? The Leaf."
> The resale market for CT More like the resale value of a brand new premium Tesla vehicle. I think this will always be the case. If you want a brand new Tesla, for example the next roadster - you will pay dearly if you want it first. Resale value will decline until they hit mass production and then it will even out. I wont get a CT because I have no need for a truck, but if I did, I would not buy one until they are making 100k+ a year of them at least. Buying early is just throwing money away.
I'd sure hope every EV pickup can haul like a beast, they have gobs of torque!
> This was a very bad business decision Disagree. It's a novelty piece and I don't think it was at the expense of any other car. high volume model 2 and robotaxi wasn't going to be ready any earlier if it wasn't for CT. Makes no difference. They have the space and they have the money.
Considering those other trucks were released 1 year+ earlier, that kind of means something
It won't, at this point we know that. They will make their 4680 cells a little more efficient and maybe use different chemistry, but it won't be enough to get to 500 miles without the expander in the bed.
> A thousand sitting on lots? More? Turn this into days of inventory, and it's not a lot, and certainly under industry standards.
What's that?
> I think once you make stupid novelties this expensive Good thing their price predictably will go down
I dunno I've seen them in person and I think they look great, especially the wrapped ones.
No. You can add all R1Ts sold ever and the Cybertruck still beats it. And the R1T looks like a normal truck.
I’ve seen several pop up in my recent travels through western states (California, Idaho, Oregon, Utah).
What are you rambling about? What does a picture of a few Model Ys have to do with anything in this discussion?
I cancelled my pre-order as well. The Scout is looking like a real possibility for me.
My father-in-law had the bracket for his alternator break on his diesel Mercedes sedan while driving his daughter around the country for several med school interviews. Fun stuff.
They could 100% make a 500 mile truck if they wanted to, they chose not to. I assume because they wanted to use fewer batteries, or they wanted to get a couple years of money before releasing a bigger truck that current truck owners would trade up for. If Chevy can do it, Tesla can do it. There's no magic here.
https://www.tesla.com/support/recall-cybertruck-inverter-replacement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET
They prob could but they'd have to use more cobalt and stuff like that, which they are trying to move away from, but yeah they could prob stuff more batteries in there if they wanted. Last I heard they were not battery constrained with the CT, but maybe they project they will be when they ramp more
It has an unremoveable six foot shoebox that you can't access from the sides Ftfy
Yeah, the Chevy Silverado / GMC Sierra is over 2,000 lbs heavier than the CT. So even if they increased the battery size by 50% CT would still be much lighter. They COULD do it, but chose not to.
> the Chevy Silverado / GMC Sierra is over 2,000 lbs heavier than the CT Damn CT seems light then, I didn't realize. They also might want those batteries for their semi trucks which I believe also need the 4680 cells
What "engineering"?
Oh wow! I did not realize this was in the works. This is very exciting!
At 6foot tall ... I cannot access any full size 4x4 pickup truck bed. Not a single one. Not Ford, Chevy, or Dodge. They are all lifted with tiny cabs made for tiny Texans.
You mean “They are forced to make a lot of models” They dont prefer it lol Every car company would love to make 2 models only. Also, VW for example only really makes 2 EV models as well. So that point doesn’t really stand does it
Looks like foundation editions are on a bit of a discount now… tempting…
I'd just like to see some clear data on VIN numbers and new vehicle registrations -- but they are rare enough that I remark upon every one I see.
Give it a year, market forces bringing used CTs to you in the 30k range just like it did for 20k ModelY/3.
GMC Sierra EV
You’re not a good sample if you have 2 dealers within a 200 mile radius. I don’t have any available near me and I have 11 within 100 miles.
You’re welcome! 😉
The ability to use gas.
Drop in the bucket, in whatever type of categorisation you make.
You can’t haul a deer out of the woods with a model Y during hunting season.
Doesn't know the difference between MY and CT = "Elon bad"
I guarantee if other manufacturers had teslas software suite they’d lose all of their car business. The only benefit of a Tesla is the software.
only issue is the range when towing is abysmal with any EV.
lol https://preview.redd.it/1vfmrw0p7gde1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=581b7603d222c367e95c55cd62ee52ee3fdea9c8
I can find some where the sanitation workers fished out about a dozen liquor bottles out of one of portajohn.
You can always spin the narrative any way you want. At the end of the day, if the Ford lightning was the best selling electric pick up out of the four, Ford would be very happy, and Tesla would never hear the end of it.
48V volt architecture, steer by wire, larger giga-pressed sections, 4 wheel steering.
The Model 2 ( or Q, or whatever) will likely get 48V architecture, steer by wire and a bigger giga-press section ( maybe not immediately, but when they make it outside of Fremont.) Same goes for the van they will make. Eventually they will replace the S, X, Y and 3 with a model containing this stuff.
If the Hummer isn't a serious contender, it's GM's fault. They made 300,000 ICE Hummers and couldn't produce a decent electric version?
I preordered an AWD truck with 300+ miles of range that was more rugged/capable than other trucks and cost $50k. I haven't cancelled but I should. I'd still consider if they delivered that but they won't.
I’ve got an X and a CT pre order I’m considering cancelling. What’s your thoughts on the combo?
Go test drive one and you will see
The cybertruck drives better than the rivian and it smoother. And that from a rivian driver I took on a Tesla drive.
Your argument is wrong once the price drops more people will buy it . Even at the price now it's a good deal. If you look at all the features
Totally missing the point. If Tesla had made a less decisive truck, with better build quality and without such poor design decisions, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Tesla, or Musk, fucked up by creating such a disaster. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater (although I don't like Musk), and there is some great tech in the CT, but man, there are more bad decisions than good ones
Depends on why you want the truck. For me, the truck is much more versatile and offers a lot more flexibility. It's easier to drive the truck than the X. And suspension is better on truck by miles. But X is more fun. I appreciate the little added features like second screen, etc. Overall I'm happy with both. Both work well for the baby and each has its unique advantages, but if I had to get one only, I'd get the truck.
I don’t want to put bikes, dump runs, or dirty stuff in my X. The CT also has that home power backup that is a must-have for me and I’m not sure any other EV trucks offer that at the moment.
Yea those are good reasons to get it. It's an awesome vehicle. A lot of Reddit hates it, but after having bought and owned every Tesla model out there, I'd say CT is the best hands down (though S is funnest to drive).
You should drive one. See what all the fuss is about.
I feel like if I’m gonna pay retail I should wait until the 2.0 where it doesn’t peel my kids or chop off their fingers. The 6-seat truck would be amazing, disappointed they removed the front bench. And the range. And the price.
Cybertruck sales were temporarily boosted by reservations.
Cybertruck sales were temporarily boosted by reservations.
It's been out a year. Remember that for all other models they put out the expensive trims first (sometimes for several years) before you could get cheaper trims.
they don't release individual model sales data - so who knows how many they sell !
Which is the big reason not many people who pull trailer are going to buy an ev to do that. They're great for some things, but towing is not one of them at this point, even if they have more torque and do it easier than most pickups out there.
If they'd made it with a light skin, not stainless steel - then yeah, would have been lighter and more streamlined. Instead they made it angular and heavy.
Totally missing the point.
No way, they already are 2000 lbs lighter than the Chevy Silverado EV. They could 50% more the batteries get around 450-500 miles and still be lighter.
I love my Cybertruck, in 30 years I never wanted a truck and quite frankly still don’t. This doesn’t look or feel like a truck and that’s why I love it. Apparently I’m not the only one.
There's probably some truth to that. The Y is a perfectly reasonable car. But if there were, say, a Subaru-like version of the Y for dirt-road use and a "city" version... they might sell even more in total, but simultaneously lose the title to "best selling model."
> Electric pickup is extremely useful for municipal fleets Contractors, too. I see a lot of electric F-150s in our area... but I've only seen *one* that wasn't in contractor livery or sitting on a job site.
I'm curious where they got cybertruck only sales, because everywhere else I've seen, Tesla lumped CT, X and S sales together and didn't release individual numbers for any.
Does it matter whose fault it is if it still negates the ability to make a like for like comparison?
That’s not a sale that’s a reservation
True. About a 100 mile round trip, and most chargers aren’t pull throughs. But it works for us.
Ha ha, my other car is an S.
And so doubles down on the totally unrelated posting with yet another non-Cybertruck photo. Fantastic.
Will it be $30k cheaper than the standard $80k dual motor available today?
Lmfao ok
Silly but genuine question, wouldn’t it obviously be the most sold because they gave people like 5 years to pre-order it and it wasn’t available until 2024? Therefore meaning that it’s basically 5years worth of sales rolled in to 1? I know it’s more complicated than that but still kinda almost seems misleading lol
Yet the one seen the least
I went from a Leaf to a Lexus LS460. The range was too limited for my needs, the projected mileage was always completely exaggerated, and watching the battery degrade in real time was a ticking time bomb. The shit battery was the only issue, I loved that thing.
Awesome but it won’t sustain the same sales if price doesn’t come down. Rwd will come out but those living w snow in their region still would want awd. If awd came down in price it would sell like hot pancakes. Like $69k
The software that old auto puts in their cars is embarrassing. That’s why they are incompatible to any Tesla car or any rivian car. Tesla software still the best. Maybe people don’t care but I certainly don’t like to click on screen and wait seconds on a crusty look from the 90s.
Woah woah woah...an electric truck that actually works like a truck instead of the Cybertruck that falls apart when you try to tow a kids bicycle? That can't be true 😮🤣
Cyber trucks started taking orders in 2019. They built up such a huge type due to back orders. Of course they were gonna sell the most when they started releasing.
Cyber trucks started taking orders in 2019. They built up such a huge hype plus back orders. Of course they were gonna sell the most when they started rolling off the line
Ford bragged about their F150 Lightning pre-orders. Why did that go differently?
yeah, because it's an arbitrary decision to declare it "not a serious contender". GMC tried making a EV truck that would sell, they failed. Telsa has taken on the best truck makers in North America and is winning.
because its a Ford and doesn't have a hype man like Elon. But still they did start selling in Mid 2022 and Cybertruck Last month in 2023 Also, I can see two totally different market demographics when it comes to EV's and Pick up Trucks. lastly, the Cybertruck is not a truck , its a SUV... Or some type of crossover.
Hey, I was in a basketball tournament where I’m extremely proud to tell people we got third place. I just leave out the part where there were only three teams playing.
Last part was read in Michael Scott's voice.
A new offer on the market did better than a four year old model. And that is anything other than expected in your mind??
Yeah, I'm not getting the "trend disruption" here. Like, that's a perfectly normal thing to happen, right? New stuff looks flashy and most people with FOMO are done after year 1, so the purchasers of all other trucks are the reliable market and you're comparing that to the new shiny market? Make it make sense.
Elon has never delivered on expectations and on time w/o moving the goalpost. Semi, FSD, roadster, CT, robotaxi (back in 2019 when our cars were supposed to be the robotaxis), hyperloop, tunnels, a 30k car (that wasn’t a 5 min offering), an undistracted CEO, and a man on mars…
Yes... the same truck models are the top sellers every single year in this country. New offers do not just magically beat them out.
I want one badly. How's the infotainment system in the back row? Specifically asking for my kid haha. Seems nice to have! Also how is the AC in an electric truck? I live in Arizona so quite vital haha. Are they pretty powerful?
I live in New Mexico. Drove it all summer, no issue. I sometimes set it to hold the temperature while I'm in the store or at the pool or whatever - it's not like you're running the engine, just the AC by itself, so the power draw is low. If you don't like that, you can schedule it to hit a temp at a given time, or to keep the interior under/over certain temp thresholds, or various other things. Short answer it's been great for me. Not sure about the back seat system -- my dogs haven't shared any feedback! You can run various streaming in back while driving, which i haven't had any need to test out, but it's there
Thats very cool. I know it has video games in it but nothing substantial Also the ability to climate control it while not there is wild... you do that through a app or what? Also what's routine maintenance look like? Is it all the same outside of oil changes?
Yet they set up the production line for ~250,000 per year so they're losing money on each one.
>Also the ability to climate control it while not there is wild... you do that through a app or what? Yep, through the app. The app is also your key -- or rather you install the app, and then your phone is a key fob. The truck is unlocked when you're close to it, drives when you're in it, and locks itself up when you walk away. It's great. I don't really open the app much, but you can control most of the things from there. >Also what's routine maintenance look like? Is it all the same outside of oil changes? Eventually, I'll have to change the tires? And if it ever rains, probably refill the wiper fluid. That's kinda it. New wiper blades and air filters eventually. Thanks to regenerative braking you rarely use your actual brake pads. Granted, if anything ever does go wrong, it's probably real expensive to fix.... but in the meantime, I do *nothing*
Hmm nice. My current goal is to first invest in some solar batteries at the home before making a serious decision for a EV. It's so hard to switch to the plug and pull the plug on gas haha
I did the solar, not the battery. *Technically* you can set up a circuit that allows your CT to serve as a battery backup... installation not available in my area, so I haven't touched that, but having the sun power your supercar/pickup is pretty nice all the same.
Yea i believe you can only power your house with the CT if you use the actual Telsa power wall. I'm wanting the Franklin solar batteries because I hear better things and the price isn't as steep. The house I bought had solar and it's fully paid for so I'm essentially wasting free power that the power company doesn't buy from us... we generate more than we use so batteries seems like the smartest move for us before a car.
They've already announced that the Cybertruck is profitable
I’ve unfortunately seen many in person. I’ve wondered if they’d look better with time. They still look hideous. My favorite instance of seeing one was in a Costco parking lot where the driver ran into a shopping cart while pulling a spot across from me. They seemed to be paying attention so I guess the visibility is just bad?
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I used a web browser on my laptop.
It's weeks of inventory if no one buys the trucks.
Just wait to you find out this year will likely be the last year of sales or at least the last year of sales better than the x and s.
The Hummer isnt a work truck, and neither is it a practical truck for anyone looking at the F150 lightning or cybertruck. It has a completely different and niche market. Its like comparing the model 3 and the model S. Sure both are sedans, but they target completely different markets with very minimal overlap
Yeah, making the Hummer was a decision by a committee that doesn't know what the market wants. An easy win for Tesla, but a win nevertheless.
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What data are you using for that? I checked the numbers and the R1T should be higher.
> Also, VW for example only really makes 2 EV models as well. That's...wildly not true. First, you have to understand that VW isn't a company that operates on its own, it is part of VAG, and a deliberate part of their strategy is to segment their cars. So VAG not only makes the ID.4, but the Audi e-tron and Porsche Taycan models. But even if you look at just VW, they make the ID.3, ID.4, ID.5, ID.6, ID.7, and ID.Buzz. Hardly "2 EV models". Plus, there's the upcoming ID.1 and ID.2.
I think the problem is that AWD is much more of a selling point on a pickup truck than a medium size sedan or a crossover SUV.
I see a lot of F-150 Lightnings around here for fleets, as well as e-transits.
With ‘really making’ I meant: cars that actually sell.
Looking at their deliveries for Q4 2024, they have a lot of models that have sold reasonably well: > Best-selling all-electric vehicles (BEV) > Volkswagen ID.4/ID.5 182,000 > Volkswagen ID.3 149,100 > Audi Q4 e-tron (incl. Sportback) 107,700 > Škoda Enyaq (incl. Coupé) 79,500 > CUPRA Born 41,800 > Volkswagen ID.7 (incl. Tourer) 40,100 > Volkswagen ID. Buzz (incl. Cargo) 29,900 > Audi Q8 e-tron (incl. Sportback) 28,200 I agree that most of their sales are of the ID.4 and ID.3, but they are getting decent sales out of the ID.7 and the buzz is still ramping up.
If you understood how torque works, the magic would disappear
This comment is pure genius.
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