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Elon [also said](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878550409851093287): > We are going to position Cybertrucks with Starlinks and free WiFi in a grid pattern in the areas that most need it in the greater LA/Malibu area [And](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878571458093314161): > Also adding security personnel in vehicle and snacks & beverages for passers-by [And:](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878563858052202589) > Yes. Please be careful in some areas, as there is non-zero risk of armed looters. > Cybertruck side panels are bulletproof to subsonic projectiles (handguns, shotgun & Tommy gun), but the glass is not, so make sure to duck if you see anyone wielding a gun. > This is not fiction. [And:](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878550409851093287) > We are going to position Cybertrucks with Starlinks and free WiFi in a grid pattern in the areas that most need it in the greater LA/Malibu area And when someone asked "How can I donate my cybertruck to the effort?", Elon [replied](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878555356722323947): > Ride around in your truck in the devastated areas with a Starlink terminal on the roof and open WiFi And when someone also said: "California hates you and Trump.", Elon [replied](https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1878552443778195655): > That is true of some people in California, and the press will of course accuse me of grandstanding, but, if this helps save even one house or maybe even someone’s life, we should still do it.
Using not one but ***two*** of his companies' technologies to help the people of LA. Just awesome.
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What is specifically a lie in your perspective?
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For one, the cell networks are working fine. So there's no need for any comms supplimentation. Also the idea that you need a cyber truck to power a small starlink mini is insane. Also there are no looters and nobody is shooting anyone. The whole thing is fox news fantasy.
> Yes. Please be careful in some areas, as there is non-zero risk of armed looters. Maybe because Musk is tweeting out shit like this: “LOOTING: Newsom and California Democrats literally decriminalized looting, barring police from arresting looters and prosecutors from prosecuting them. Now he’s opposed to looting.”
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Did the fires take out a lot of cell towers? Which ones?
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While I'm all for private charity, the cybertruck component is basically a marketing stunt. Musk posted a picture of the supplies/snacks that one of these trucks had in the back, and frankly there wasn't much there - I've had Costco hauls that were larger and I live alone and drive a RAV4.
No, they will receive a different VIN in the same config.
29 people have been arrested for looting. Is that just a "fox news fantasy"? That's being reported in the NYT, the WSJ and the LA Times. From the LA times " # ‘You will be held accountable’: 20 arrested on suspicion of looting during L.A. County wildfires"
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Honestly just comes across as a marketing/ego gimmick. You can power the starlink mini off a standard 12v cigarette lighter in any car - you don't need a cybertruck for this. There hasn't been any major issues with connectivity via cell phone service in the region. Additionally, the way this reads is that if you ordered a new cybertruck Elon is taking your truck to use for his own reasons putting it out into a disaster area. Not exactly what I would want with a 'new' truck I ordered...
Who cares if it's a marketing stunt if it helps people? This provides internet access and a place to charge devices in areas that are disconnected for both. Get over your Elon hate for a second and ask yourself what you are doing to help.
Any cell towers that were in areas that were burned down for one. With the addition of people in those areas trying to help, any towers left are saturated quickly.
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> There hasn't been any major issues with connectivity via cell phone service in the region There's been multiple reports of that. And having a widespread grid of Wifi never hurts. Having an extremely large battery powering it to last days and days doesn't hurt.
Cool, that's their most capable vehicle with the largest battery and has dedicated power outlets. If it helps anyone then I'm all for it.
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To the folks saying "It's a marketing gimmick". Guys. Grow up. *Any* company that can find a way to publicize how their product can be used for good, is going to publicize how their product can be used for good. Here's an older example from [Dawn dish soap](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsRiTyvLqU) about how their product is used to get oil off of birds in an oil spill You can rummage around online and find all kinds of examples like this. [Verizon](https://www.wptv.com/news/national/verizon-apologizes-for-throttling-service-firefighters-fighting-wildfires-lifts-data-caps) literally took a bunch of shit for lifting data caps like six years ago to help wildfire people. *If* what they're doing is provided a *good* for society, then who cares what the intent is? Let's move on with life.
They are obviously gonna build new trucks and sell the used ones as used to other people
Do you need a list of down towers?
Prop 36 fixed a lot of the holes with it. 69% of California voted to make it a felony again if you already have a previous conviction.
Are you aware there are separate laws for looting?
While I may not agree with all the politics, I am sure this is a helpful resource for those needing evacuation and don’t have places to go.
Is it helping people? Or is it just getting in the way?
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That threshold, $950, is the 12th most STRICT in the country. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/felony-theft-amount-by-state Gavin Newsom became governor in 2019. Prop 47 was voted on in 2014 and was voted on by the people of California.
Wait - what? $950 feels really low for felony theft. In Texas felony theft is $2,500 and above. There has to be something else in there - I don’t see how that decriminalizes looting.
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That's the point. When you look into it, it's just fear mongering about how California sucks. It's actually just uninformed people continuing to spread false information about stuff.
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> Cybertruck side panels are bulletproof to subsonic projectiles (handguns, shotgun & Tommy gun), but the glass is not, so make sure to duck if you see anyone wielding a gun. > > This is not fiction. Except all the videos of people shooting at cybertrucks show bullets going right through. So it is indeed a fiction.
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Weird flex with your Costco runs?
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You don’t need a cyber truck for a lot of things but it’s what he has and he’s using it to help.
Keep digging for something to hate.
I’ve seen plenty of videos of small caliber bullets being stopped by the door panels.
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It did fry your brain I guess
If you have two convictions. Also that $950 is already low. In Texas and Wisconsin it’s a misdemeanor up to $2,500.
$100,000 for a single wifi hotspot instead of using the same amount of money to provide, for example, thousands of hotspots.
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You should ask California residents, why do they supoport Prop 36 to repeal prop 47
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They can sell them as new demo vehicles if they never get titled. Same as test drive vehicles or ones used as loaners. I’ve bought two demo Model S over the years and got substantial inventory discounts.
Ye, thats what I meant 😊
They need the Cybertruck to power the starlinks. It’s the only Tesla with the 110 outlet…
Idk how people can’t tell it’s a marketing stunt. This can be done with any Tesla, let alone car. Using the CT is 100% marketing for it, otherwise they’d use Ys at double the scale for the same “cost” to Tesla
Well I’ll say I care. I’m a Tesla fan and followed Musk pretty closely online and in biographies for years. I was following Model 3 early deliveries and Alcántara-gate on this sub years ago. I am no doubt a fan of the company. Helping in these disasters is actually pretty difficult. A lot of well intentioned people end up getting in the way and clogging up the system that helps people. In example, people don’t need used clothes. Organizations don’t need to send trash bags full of hoodies, that’s not the priority. However, organizations with the resources(mostly money) can make a big difference if they actually try. What concerns me is a few things; is the help well coordinated with the actual response teams? Is the help substantial? Is the marketing for the help actually worth more than the help itself? If Tesla calls up the Governors office and says hey man I have a dozen Cybertrucks you guys can have wrapped in ads, cool. If he says hey I can get y’all a network in starlink to use for the next 30 days tell me where to send the equipment, cool. If he has employees fill a dozen cybertrucks with perishables and gum…. No thanks…. A lot of life is what people try to do and their intent, but when crap hits the fan what you accomplish matters. I don’t want any organization including Tesla to jump in the way out of a sense of duty, I want them to take those positive intentions and have a well executed response. Most individuals can’t do that but they can and I’m excited if they do, however doing a poor job is worse than doing nothing in this case.
Sub sonic just means rounds meant to be fired from a suppressor. Handguns and shotguns certainly do have supersonic rounds and they’re cheaper.
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The issue is in Texas they aren’t gonna drop the charges if it’s a misdemeanor in California 99% of the time if it’s not felony theft they’ll just drop the charges there’s people on those body cam video with double digit arrests for theft under $950
Yeah so he will be writing all of his material costs off as a marketing expense. That’s how most businesses support these kinds of relief efforts. Verizon and other telcos do the same thing in these situations and no one gets on them that “this is just a marketing effort and if they really cared they’d do XYZ”
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He said they will receive new trucks… would you rather he do nothing? If I’m starving in the wilderness and hitler emerged from the woods and gave me a protein bar, I’d still say “this is fucking weird but thank you.”
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I appreciate that they are doing this. But at the same time if I had a cyber truck on order, I expect it to be a new vehicle when it arrives and not having it used as a emergency response vehicle. Is there a limit of how many miles and how many charge cycles they will put on each vehicle before its ownership is transferred to the end user?
Seriously. The comments in this post are about just enough for me to leave this sub and move to one of the smaller ones.
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Oh. Well yeah. THATs a big problem.
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Wait, Verizon *literally* took a bunch of s—-? What the hell is the story behind that?
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Subsonic projectiles… so not bulletproof to normal ammo.
This is a good thing but doesn't that make all those trucks pre-owned afterwards
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We had a guy here on site who was a recovering addict dude said he used to steal tools from Home Depot and Lowe’s then sell them at flea markets or other construction sites. Said he has 27 arrests and was only charged twice longest he spent in jail was 3 weeks according to him. Oddly enough his employment with us ended because the foreman was helping him out get back on his feet because he was living in his car he used to set him up with really well paying side jobs and let him borrow his tools and live in his garage man cave room. One day he didn’t show up for work and texted he crashed his car foreman gets home and is missing $7,000 in tools and we never heard from the guy again.
I don’t see anywhere that says customers will receive their new Cybertruck as used. “A new truck will be delivered end of week” is literally in the title
I haven’t seen any reports of internet issues. Also spectrum donated 35k hubs like a week ago. I have 4 friends 10-15 mins outside the fire zone and haven’t had any issues. If there are it’s very localized in areas that probably never had great service.
You’re right. He should just shut it down completely. If it ain’t a costco size haul, we don’t want it.
The problem is that people use these things to whitewash Elon into a good person. He is a terrible person and this doesn't change that at all. The mod post was right that all companies do marketing stunts. What they missed though is Tesla marketing stunts inevitably turn into Elon marketing events by his legion of dedicated fans. For that reason I didn't think it's inappropriate to remind people what this is.
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>“A new truck will be delivered end of week” is literally in the title In the same title it says "We need to use those trucks as mobile base stations to provide power to Starlink Internet terminals in areas of LA without connectivity." So is Tesla taking the hit and making those trucks they are using Fleet trucks? or will the be delivered to customers after us. That isn't a question that is being asked. Because people either want to vilify Tesla as over promoting, or praise tesla for doing something for the community. If I was waiting on my Cyber truck, I'd just want clarifications provided as to what I would be getting. If they said the new truck would be factory delivered. I'd be golden, but currently the language is ambiguous enough to not know what is happening with the Starlink grid trucks.
The fantasy is that California policy somehow allows looting. Every tragedy will have bad apples that try to take advantage of things. Florida had just as many looters during Helene. Why isn't Elon saying Desantis decriminalized looting there?
So they're going to deliver these "used" trucks as "new"? Beyond just the mileage, the batteries will have cycled to be used as "mobile base stations"? Edit: downvotes for asking a question? Thanks fam 🙂
It’s not a question being asked because most people understood what was being said from the get go. The trucks that were going out to customers are now being repurposed, and those customers will receive a NEW truck delivery end of week. Meaning: we’re taking the truck you ordered because it’s readily available, but we’re giving you a new one. Obviously Tesla is taking the hit here. No ones ordering a new CT and getting a used one. That’s ridiculous
I really hope you're right. Having received a new car that was used as a car show demo many moons ago I'm likely more jaded than the general public.
Did he do this same thing for hurricane Helene with the cyber truck?
[We're working on it](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1i0e10n/psa_if_youve_nothing_nice_to_say_then_say_nothing/) That said, if you see comments you feel violate the rules, *report them*. Moderators don't live in the comment sections, we rely on users like you to report bad faith interactions.
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But Starlink giving away Starlinks just looks like a loss. Starlink buying/leasing all remaining Foundation series trucks from Tesla looks like a big win. 😎
Verizon initially throttled the unlimited data plans, then turned around and did a publicity thing about it to help the wildfires: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/996ep8/verizon_throttled_fire_departments_unlimited_data/ It was interesting seeing social media reaction about it live at the time. All of this stuff is cyclical, with the company names changing.
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Presumably they'll sell these as "used" and folks who ordered new will get new.
This is a strategy to sell Foundation series models to Starlink so they can say they sold every FS model
What does that have to do with looting?
A great point I had not considered.
> areas that probably never had great service That's a random assumption. How do you know they 'probably' never had great service? And wouldn't giving them great service right now during an emergency be a good thing?
As others have said: Subsonic rounds != pistol/shotgun rounds And Tommy gun? Really? What are we worried about here - Al Capone and Bugs Moran? Most jacketed pistol rounds are supersonic. And I would almost guarantee that those panels aren’t stopping 12ga slugs.
Weird theory. But if it sells the trucks and Musk wants SpaceX to take the hit, why should I care?
This … is exactly how I read this
Yeah aren’t most handgun ammo supersonic? Like standard 9mm rounds are all supersonic.
"subsonic"
Every one of these calibers of ammunition are, or can be, subsonic. .45 ACP 9mm (subsonic loads, not all 9mm rounds are subsonic) .40 S&W (subsonic loads) .300 AAC Blackout (subsonic variant) .458 SOCOM (subsonic loads) .338 Whisper (designed for subsonic use) 7.62x39mm (subsonic loads) .22 LR (subsonic variants) .32 ACP (often subsonic) .380 ACP (subsonic in most pistols) 10mm Auto (subsonic loads) .50 AE (subsonic loads)
Based
[The bigger stuff goes through but it stops a surprising amount.](https://youtu.be/VLV-4HMrAz0?si=FoUm9R8XtDIggY-A) Most people aren’t getting shot at by AR-15s and .50 cal rifles.
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That’s fine, use the trucks where a Y can’t get to, and you can still use a DC to AC inverter on a Y. Using nothing but CTs is crazy. You can provide a greater scale of support by using a mix of Ys and CT for the same cost to Tesla than by only using the most expensive vehicle they make. I’m not calling the effort itself marketing, but the use of exclusively CTs is absolutely marketing
Lol. Elon could cure cancer and HIV and the leftists will be like BUT HE DID IT FOR PROFIT! I WON'T TAKE THE CURE AND YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER. Jesus.
Yeah and more ppl buy super because it’s cheaper. Most criminals don’t even know what subsonic is
The problem is the enforcement. Police would literally do nothing for a person carrying a $900 TV out the door. You could give them the perps address and everything. And the police were basically like. Eh tough luck.
No. Elon didn't make people loot. People loot because people are dicks and aren't raised right. Don't shift the blame.
I'm pretty sure that the people receiving help don't give a damn what critics say about the intent here.
More like $80k How are the wifi hotspots supposed to work without cellular cervice? All the towers are burned up. Starlinks are not free, and need power, and people manning the stations. Try to get a place for someone to camp for days/weeks, with power and starlink? Going to be expensive no matter what. And the trucks are not disposable.
So if it is for charity or marketing? So what? So he should not help?
Lol. Some news reporters couldn't even report the news if it were not for StarLink....
Yes it was an assumption based off of everything I’m hearing from friends, and reports I’ve seen that there aren’t wifi telecom issues in the main areas as of now but people are acting like no one is helping LA and there's no wifi/telecom. yeah getting anyone wiouth internet, internet, would be a good thing, sure but I doubt they are going to use Starlink. Comcast opened over 100k hotspots. Spectrum donated 35k. Every mobile service provider has provided hubs, etc a week ago. Elon is just once again trying to act like hes riding into some situation on a white horse. Sure he can help, and thats great, but it's just odd how hes posting every where about it and trying to generate so much PR around it.
Yes. The original buyer will get a different "new" truck
Thank you for your hard work.
Are they going to drive those new Cybertrucks to the fire sites, and then deliver to the buyers after the fire is put out?
It's clearly helping people
I saw a you tube video where the cybertruck door easily stopped a super sonic .22LR and 9mm. Your most common pistol rounds, 9mm, .380, and .45 will all be stopped. I suspect a .357 mag or .40 S&W would penetrate.
No. New trucks will be delivered to the people that ordered them, just later than originally planned. These trucks will either be sold as used or as showroom models, or possibly donated to emergency agencies.
How do you have a problem with providing wifi to people in a heavily populated disaster zone?
Not .45 - bullet is big, heavy, and slow - but also packs more energy. I'd find it strange if the glass were not bulletproof from a 9mm and is bullet proof from a .45, considering how much more energy gets transferred in the latter. Maybe it spreads out more..
Except the $80K truck doesn’t turn into dust after this.
No, the logic here seems to be that Tesla will do something else with these trucks, and people waiting will get new ones. Other than that, we just need to wait and see.
If I could pin a user's comment, it'd probably be this one, because you are correct.
Would it not be a higher cost to them to use Ys that sell very well than CTs that don't sell well at all? It may be marketing. But it may also legitimately just be the best route for them. Either way, who cares if it's marketing. Are they helping people or not?
If I had cancer and Hitler cured it..... I'm taking that cure. And twice on Sunday..
I would think the cell carriers could much more effectively deploy mobile cell towers as they do for major festivals and events. Is that not happening?
I mean that's what you sound like hating on a guy that has been going out of his way to help victims of several disasters in the U.S.
Ohhhh noooo. He's using the resources he has amply available and can control quickly. Maybe he should rent a bunch of larger trucks to satisfy you. Are you kidding me?
Oh ok, then that makes sense, and is perfectly reasonable.
The left can't even accept charity without sounding like a bunch of hateful assholes. This thread is ridiculous. Take out Elon's name and everyone would be praising this.
I say even if it is a bit of a marketing gimmick and it is ever so slightly but the benefits are still there. It will give people access to free wifi. It also gives people a chance to charge up their devices etc. This is a thousand times better than a Superbowl commercial showing off what a vehicle can do. I also say that it is great advertising for EVs in general. It shows off some positivity of their features for a change.
They will be put on the Used section of Tesla's website for sale.
Yes. But my point is that it is far from the norm.
Cars remain new until sold and titled. Id assume they would become “demo” vehicles for sale after all is done.
Elon could have done this a week ago or offered to cover flights/hotel for firefighters. I'm not sure this solution helps much tbh.. They could easily have bought a couple of trailers to do the same thing and had the team wire them up with solar + batteries for cheaper than donating a couple of cybertrucks...
I'm sure it is...
You can power starlink with a 12v car outlet though... [https://www.vanlifeoutfitters.com/store/starlink-12-volt-dc-power-adapater/](https://www.vanlifeoutfitters.com/store/starlink-12-volt-dc-power-adapater/)
Nobody is saying Musk invented the idea. But spreading the ideas that you can't get punished one way to make it worse.
You know the man owns something like 100k internet satellites in orbit that feed them internet.
Wonder how many these shit posters are using that very starlink internet.
That's cool. Did Elon say something like this?
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Musk: "Apologies to those expecting Cybertruck deliveries in California over the next few days. We need to use those trucks as mobile base stations to provide power to Starlink Internet terminals in areas of LA without connectivity. **A new truck will be delivered end of week.**" The portion about what is being done with the used trucks is speculation based on what is normally done. It's also possible that they are sold "new" to SpaceX. Someone else mentioned that.
Yes, I know. Re-read my comment :)
Not defending Muskrat, because he's a fuckwit, but traditional wifi "hotspots" would have to connect to cell towers for internet/data, and it's possible there are no towers in some areas due to them burning down or being overloaded. Starlink connects to satellites for data.
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I can almost guarantee he isn't bothering to coordinate with anyone. Which makes this whole stunt worse than useless
No need for that, typically “new” is anything up to 100miles on the odometer. Take the truck there and back, and you are probably still defined as new.
Maybe he should ask local disaster workers what they need and how to get it to them. I doubt he has
What a lovely assumption from you.
I don't see Tesla doing this.
Am I wrong? He's been shitposting about California all week.
I don’t know. I accept that in 6 months when 60 minutes or something does a special on the wildfires it’ll probably break down into one of three ways: 1. Musk coordinated with authorities to deliver valuable resources. We’re probably all pretty happy with this and a little optimistic in an early google “don’t be evil” way. 2. Musk ran off on his own and ended up going nowhere or getting in the way. I’m guessing a little divided but everyone leaves frustrated because in the face of crisis we couldn’t set aside our differences to help people in need. 3. It’s not a very mentioned and we never know. Most likely and everyone stays entrenched in their pre-existing perspective.
It's more like 5900, but that is a lot [https://satellitemap.space/](https://satellitemap.space/)
I've got family in southern California; it's common to have poor cell phone service at hilly areas near the edge of town, such as the ones that burned recently. The power company is in the habit of turning power off when the weather is dry with high winds (to avoid starting fires of their power lines get knocked down), which might affect cell coverage as well.
Thanks. Didn't know the exact number.
Why not?
Your mad because he Didn't lie? Nothing he said is false, nothing. The truth can be painful if you are soft, not sorry.
First, I'm pretty sure all these trucks will be driven more than 100mi, plus Tesla will likely turn these into "Demo" vehicles and sell them via their used inventory. They might be sold as "New Demo" via the inventory site, but the point is that people will be aware that these are "Fresh off the factory floor" new trucks when they buy them.
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Starlink Mini, yes, but the big bois need AC power, which comes standard on Cybertruck. They could use an AC inverter, but are we honestly not going to promote the newest product and one of it's most useful selling points in the process? It's Elon...
And I've seen plenty where it penetrates. The fact it stops _some_ does not make it bulletproof.
Yea, there's a video of a guy shooting "subsonic" low calliber handgun that goes right through...
Yea, there's a video of a guy shooting "subsonic" low calliber handgun that goes right through. Doors of any normal car will stop "some" bullets.
There aren't "good people" and "bad people". There are just people, sometimes we do good things and other times we do bad things. Barely any of us are purely good or purely bad. Keeping this viewpoint in mind keeps people from dehumanizing others, which is important if you don't want to be dehumanized yourself.
3 is the only answer, our culture does not reward people for changing their minds.
CT has the largest battery pack too
Do you have the video? I just watched it stop a .17 HMR with a projectile velocity of 2,650 ft/s in that video and it’s not the only video with people shooting at the Cybertruck. Most car doors are like paper to bullets. Very few will stop *any* bullets.
Wifi has a very limited range. They would need to put an access point/truck every !~100ft to acheive any reasonable coverage with a "grid pattern". This is great for those that need it, but it's a marketing stunt to claim a grid of cybertrucks is providing a grid of access points for an entire region. Unless they are sending like 10,000+ trucks. Are humans driving those trucks or autopilot? Those who signed a contract for a truck, expecting delviery, are finding their contract is now overridden by another Telsa priority. Not due to a problem with the manufacture or delivery of their VIN, but because somebody else was given their vehicle for use. Were they given an option to defer delivery and asist with the disaster recovery?
How stupid would it be, as a CEO, to \*not\* use 2 of your latest products that work perfectly for these types of scenarios in a situation where it's clearly beneficial? Like, yeah, we have a pretty powerful Starlink dish and an electric truck with AC outlets that can power it, but instead of using that, let's use the mini-dishes (that support less bandwidth) with a Model Y (that has a smaller battery) instead... Like, I get the idea of not using an emergency as a PR stunt, but \*not using the best tools for the job\* is just a stupid idea from the starting point.
It's not fear mongering. Cultures in Texas and California are different, and breaking and entering a vehicle or home in Texas carries real consequences separate from the law.
Where’s my Tesla?
Nah, you're just missing context. The model 3/y sells, what? 400k/quarter? The CT is currently selling somewhere under 40k/quarter, probably closer to 15/20k. You could take 5000 of those (low margin) CTs away from potential buyers and it'd barely hurt the bottom line. If you took 10,000 Model Ys, you're impacting one of the most profitable and reliable revenue streams the company has. If we weren't always looking to paint Elon in as bad a light as possible (on top of what he already does to himself), it'd be obvious why they're using CT: it's built for stuff like this, as it comes with AC power and is "rugged", and it doesn't hurt their bottom-line nearly as much to use the extra $100k trucks (that were sitting in inventory anyway) compared to taking away tens of thousands of Model Y deliveries from regular people.
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Start of Tesla offering V2G/H?!!! 🙏🏻
> But it's really off putting for him to use a tragedy to do so. Not only should they do this, but Tesla+Starlink are pretty much the only companies that ***could*** do this. Good for him and Tesla in general.
Or will they 🤔
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> He isn't a good person and this doesn't change that at all. Yep, he isn't a good person, he's a great person, and other companies should do more humanitarian stuff like this too.
> AR-15s mainly shoot .22LR Surely you mean 5.56 or .223, not rimfire.
I edited my comment to clarify that I did in fact mean he is a terrible person. I don't want my words twisted into something I did not imply.
You're certainly welcome to that opinion and I respect the thoughtfulness of it but I disagree with it in its entirety.
I didn't think you were, I was just following your line of thought.
I know, most people do... Despite growing up reading Romeo & Juliet, we still mostly turn into adults that fall into "Israeli Genocide" vs "Hamas Terrorists" camps without any scrap of empathy anywhere to be seen. It's sad to see, especially when I present it to you pretty clearly and you go "nah, I'm okay with hating certain people" without a second thought. At this point, it seems like human nature, but I do hope someday we can get past this idea that someone is wholly good or wholly bad because of some of their actions. It feels like it comes from a religious place (god = good, devil = bad) and I think that's an oversimplification for how life actually works. It's convenient for dehumanizing people, though!
> The problem is all the lying and hateful nonsense he's been posting about the fires, firefighters, and the state. What information are you referring to? After a brief check, he's [reposted](https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1878269417517130104) about Newsom cutting $100M of firefighting funding, and also reposted seemingly valid information [like this](https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1878648845111808478).
No. Mother Theresa was a great person. Elon is a narcissistic egomaniac with the maturity of a prepubescent boy who thinks he’s an expert in all things. What he is great at is being a visionary and ruthless VC who funds promising tech, patiently consolidates control, then fires the founders to take all the credit while he enriches himself further. He spends so much time on social media and video games that it is questionable how much actual executive oversight he provides to the companies he owns. So why do I own Tesla cars? Because I can separate the horrible human being from the engineers who actually designed the tech instead of just funded it.
I wonder what the real details look like here.
> I edited my comment to clarify that I did in fact mean he is a terrible person Well that is indeed false then. The media has lied about him and mostly posted and exaggerated the negative stuff, whilst minimizing the good stuff.
All people are complex human beings. He can have faults while still doing overwhelming good for the world. I've been following Tesla and Elon from the very start. What he's done for accelerating the automobile and rocket industries is nothing short of exceptional. And that's before we get to Starlink, Grok, Neuralink, and finally giving the Right wing a voice on such a large social media platform in an ocean of leftist platforms. He could have retired many years ago and lived in a paradise. He chose the hard route and put everything on the line to save Tesla and SpaceX.
100% inflate numbers by purging the excess inventory to "help" nevermind... cell service is generally working fine to my understanding in LA and there are a billion ways Elon and his money could help LA that make more sense then this. I doubt anyone in LA government or otherwise will actually benefit from this.
FUCKING THIS.
>Despite growing up reading Romeo & Juliet, we still mostly turn into adults that fall into "Israeli Genocide" vs "Hamas Terrorists" camps without any scrap of empathy anywhere to be seen. I agree with you here. I think your broader point is that life (and people) are full of nuance. Because I strongly agree with this, for years I defended certain aspects of Musk since he is also a complicated figure. The part where it seems like we diverge is in my view if someone is mostly bad, I'm fine categorizing them as a bad person (same with good). In my view he has gone into the mostly bad, and it isn't really close anymore, so I'm good with categorizing him as bad. I don't think it dehumanizes him either. In fact it's his own humanity that allows him to make the bad choices he makes.
TBH I don't follow much of the media narrative around him and haven't for over a decade. It's easier to just read what he tweets and listen to his interviews.
But almost all of his tweets and interviews is good stuff from what I've seen. Yes, he has his faults and says the odd thing here and there, but he has best intentions at heart for humanity in general. For one thing, he absolutely didn't need to make Teslas as safe as they are to still get the highest scoring possible.
Does it matter? They are cars with a story now. Probably easy to sell - at least if they come with some kind of proof that they were one of the cars used for this.
Normally that's for test drives and transporting cars. Taking cars into an active disaster area probably doesn't apply.
Ugh this is just marketing, Musk can't let a crisis happen without trying to get his face in the front of it. How did that submarine he offered for cave rescue go... If Musk really wants to make a difference he could donate money to FEMA and other agencies and support people that actually know what they are doing. But that wouldn't get him attention. Instead he wants to slash their budgets.
It says, right there in the post, that customers will receive new trucks
"A new truck will be delivered end of week" It says, right there in the post, that customers will receive new trucks They're still Cybertrucks so take it as it is but still. They'll just roll the others into fleet services, rentals, service vehicles and the used market. Easy as test drivers at show rooms
The glass isn’t bulletproof at all either way. It’s not even thrown-ball proof.
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Random thing: open up NightSky and point your phone literally anywhere, you’ll see a ton of Starlink satellites.
They're doing solar and batteries in places, too. https://x.com/Tesla/status/1878587556536717376?s=19 The armchair quarterbacking in this entire comment section is a little ridiculous.
Where abouts?
You should know Tesla by now. They will sell these to unsuspecting future buyers as new and hope they don’t notice
You are a partisan and that is the lense through which you view the world. You think he gave voice to the Right? Where have you been for the past 20 years you claim to have followed this former liberal? Elon cares only about personal glory, he is a utilitarian, an utmost pragmatist and cares nothing about people, only about ridiculous grandiose ambitions like terraforming Mars (ultimate money loser). You partisans on the Right are his latest pawns to further these ambitions for as long as you are useful. It’s comical how naive you all are.
This is the opposite of virtue signalling. Virtue signalling is putting an Ukraine flag as your profile pic. This is actually doing something useful in the real world.
Listen to yourself my friend “there weren’t enough free snacks”. I mean come on.
It's the only Tesla that can plug in a bunch of phones, laptops and battery banks to charge at full power at the same time. What use is giving them internet if their devices are dead?
Where's the lie?
He's supplying internet as their main goal. Doesn't need coordination right?
They didn't get to try the sub out, that's how it went. Nobody else had Starlink like capability, so FEMA's efforts would be wasted. Best leave it to the experts.
They are over stocked in CyberTrucks. 😂
No they don't. They run on 57v DC.
5 seconds on google: T-mobile: [https://www.t-mobile.com/news/network/t-mobile-stands-prepared-as-wildfires-impact-southern-california](https://www.t-mobile.com/news/network/t-mobile-stands-prepared-as-wildfires-impact-southern-california) Verizon: [https://www.verizon.com/about/news/2025-wildfire-updates?os=roku\_\_\_&ref=app](https://www.verizon.com/about/news/2025-wildfire-updates?os=roku___&ref=app)
Glad it didn't take you long - good for you! I see that T-Mobile are doing 2 sites, which is better than nothing. The Verizon link you provided seems to show they will help with charging but not temporary network extension. Perhaps you were thinking of another link?
"They're still cybertrucks so take it as it is but still." Had me laughing.
Make them Demo vehicles and sell as such. This isn’t hard.
This is a good thing. As much as I don't like other decisions Elon has made, this is strictly a good thing
the word different applies to the word "new", not "truck". It's a different kind of new.
4G cell towers have a range of 10 miles, and yes they have emergency cell towers for use in these situations. Verizon, AT&T and T-mobile have all been deploying emergency infrastructure to the area. Verizon has reported they’ve already restored majority coverage to the area. I can’t imagine this being very useful at all as the range of the routers isn’t exactly significant it’s only 3200ft^2 from what I see online and he’s only allocating a few cybertrucks for this?
I’m not the person you were replying to, but Verizon reports they’ve already fixed like 90% of the macro sites and have been deploying mobile infrastructure as well. [here](https://www.verizon.com/about/news/2025-wildfire-updates?cjdata=MXxOfDB8WXww&URL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.verizon.com%2Fabout%2Fnews%2F2025-wildfire-updates&CMP=afc_h_p_cj_oth_fios_2022_04&SID=1025X1701640Xfd9639a041d0088ad7b64d3eabe3b391&cjevent=18545103d1c011ef8231028c0a82b838&vendorid=CJM&PID=100084481&AID=11557999)
Thank god for people like you here on Reddit changing the world and helping save lives… all from the keyboard of your android phone
Because all the carriers roll out trucks and trailers that are temporary cell towers and CalOES has lots of emergency communications equipment available that already has starlink as part of the infrastructure. This is just a parade.
As someone who is very familiar with how this all works, every carrier has trucks and trailers down there (trailers are commonly called cows for reasons). CalOES also has equipment and there are partners that roll in equipment to supplement for emergency communications. It’s all been down there for a while.
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What do they have like 150Kwh batteries?
Username checks out!
how much is "lots"? I doubt it's enough to replace the massive amount of internet connections lost in private housing. The cell network can't handle football games, let alone replace the whole broadband network for large parts of a city.
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> You think he gave voice to the Right? Where have you been for the past 20 years you claim to have followed this former liberal? He generally kept out of politics before, but he's always been a fan of free speech. He's maintained that stance despite Old Twitter going off the rails there. > Elon cares only about personal glory Not true. He wants the best for the world and makes the safest cars in the industry. He cares about many cities (US and other countries) becoming more dangerous and third world like due to the type of immigration we're seeing. If he wanted money and power, SpaceX and Tesla was the last thing he should have done since those industries are company graveyards.
Let’s be real, this is a marketing spiel and those trucks are sitting unused in a a parking lot somewhere.
Legally it’s as long as it hasn’t been registered to a driver regardless if miles. Factory warranty starts at the mileage it was purchased and registered at
This reads nothing like people will be getting these “used” trucks. He literally says they’ll be getting a new truck at the end of the week. I don’t know how so many people think he’s referring to these particular trucks. First clue would be they’re being used in disaster relief. They’re not even going to be done using them by the end of the week.
No shit I work in finance managing marketing FP&A. I know how PR, charitable donations, and marketing efforts all affect the bottom line differently.
Thank you. I am sure most of us are happy to report the rule breaking posts. It still helps to hear it.
I agree with you. It is nearly impossible for me to listen to his interviews and come away with the picture that some on Reddit really want me to have. His tweets range from informative to goofy to 14 year-old edgelord...but that is pretty much how he has always been. The only difference is how his political alignment is perceived by some people, and I just don't see the fascination.
they’re still considered new because the vehicle has never been titled. they’ll likely sell it as a demo vehicle with a small price adjustment
You mean the burned down homes or the ones with no electricity because the lower infrastructure was heavily damaged? Do you think a handful of Cybertrucks is enough to cover that? There is no much demand on cell networks when there is nearly a total loss of a neighborhood.
It literally says a new truck will be delivered end of week. So yeah they may sell them at used price. Nice to see a US car company doing well enough to give back like this.
>the ones with no electricity because the lower infrastructure was heavily damaged? yeah, those ones. They can use their tablets to access the WIFI that Tesla is providing thru Cybertrucks and Starlink. Low battery on the tablet? Charge at the Cybertruck. >Do you think a handful of Cybertrucks is enough to cover that? better than nothing, which is your suggestion.
We had hundreds of cyber trucks that, we promise, would have been delivered tomorrow but now you’ll have to wait. The fact they’ve been parked for weeks is irrelevant.
Good marketing
But is he wrong tho? Prop 36 was to make crimes on looting more stringent because CA has been having a epidemic of thefts. Fortunately Prop 36 got passed after Californians had to endure years of stores getting looted, but you know what the kicker was? Newsom was against Prop 36. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/california-playbook-pm/2024/10/07/newsoms-not-so-subtle-prop-36-message-00182778 Newsom is so against Prop 36 that when it got passed, his speech was that he was disappointed at California s for passing it. But yet him being governor, did nothing to atop the looting - no policies/legislations proposed. Whereas my city had people walking in and out of Target and Walmart as if everything is priced at $Free.99
Elon’s strategy of “over promise, under deliver” has me thinking I’ll believe this claim of support when I see it. This world be amazing marketing for the company, but his track records leads one to believe this is all vapor-ware.
Yeah, see that was my response, unlike Mr. Self-righteous above, I was thinking that if those trucks are used then the price should now come down.
Because it benefits someone other than Leon and Rump.
No, it makes them "weathered with personality". Tesla should auction them with proceeds donated towards the fire department or victims!
I handle some of this stuff for my area in a time of disaster. Usually additional cell stations like this are used to boost signal for the first responders themselves. The network slows way down, even when we get priority elevation through FirstNet/Verizon etc. One of the most important things when fighting a large scale, long-term disaster like this is keeping your responders happy, and happy includes being able to FaceTime/call/text your family.
He will likely write them off as a loss to fema, but them back and refurb them. I’m looking forward to the first “why does my a/c smell like smoke, it’s a brand new cyber truck” articles.
Bruh, who’s actually taking Cybertruck deliveries in areas affected by the fires? Those are the deliveries he’s referring to. Those trucks were probably sitting around delayed because of the fires. At least that's how it appears.
Cow = cell on wheels.. I used to do support for ATT back about 20 years ago, the tech guys were so hilarious.. "moved COW to another field, grass is greener on the other side"
What, no submarine this time?
No one wants them
It will be a scam like everything else the Muskrat does.
And where does it get 57v DC from? An AC adapter... We're talking about an emergency situation where they're pulling Starlinks out of the box and turning them on as quickly as possible. I doubt they have time to figure out a solution for 57v DC power delivery when there's a perfectly good AC adapter right there in the box...
Wow, so mature and well thought out.
Tesla should send these 'used' trucks to all the mobile service mechanics. My guy had a beat up model X with all his tools piled in the back.
It's not charity at all he'll charge them like with Helene. He's literally exploiting disaster victims and he's already unfathomably wealthy. Which is a level is greed and evil I can't even imagine
The fact that Elon explicitly mentioned new trucks will be delivered means that those trucks will actually be new trucks. He wouldn't say that otherwise.
How can you hate on this guy, I don't get it. He's rallying the community to help, which takes effort and leadership. All these keyboard warriors spreading hate is doing nothing. Entitlement is hell of a drug
Is it marketing? Yes Does it help the situation? Also Yes. Should we hate on any sort of help that toward the relief? No
EVs without powershare are lame. Why hasn't Tesla added this to every model?
If they were expecting trucks already, the buyers have the VIN numbers on the App.
Cool. But you could have just enabled V2L or reverse charging on all Teslas.
There is no need for any of Elon's gear. We have phone service everywhere and generators. Do people think this never happens?
It's not useful at all, there are no areas without service that aren't completely gone. And you can get cell service everywhere. We have generators which actually generate power efficiently. You have to be brain dead to believe Elon is helping anyone but himself.
It won't do anything. Elon is weeks late with this, always over promising and underdelivering. Tweet some bullshit that's fake and everyone believes it.
ROFL, how is this even remotely helpful.
We have had internet for a while now. We were down for 24 hrs and no issues since. I am right near evacuation areas. This is all bullshit for idiots to believe.
It's not needed. I'm going to make a soup kitchen at the end of your street and claim I fixed the food insecurity problem in your state. Makes total sense.
How about the thousands of generators available that generate power that are already in use...
And where do you charge these CTs? Why not skip a whole inefficient step and just use a generator?
Super Chargers. Can go from 20% to 80% in less than an hour. Don't need to worry about the logistics of supplying gasoline to 100s of sites for weeks on end. The trucks can supply power to any place needed without having a loud and dangerous and potentially fire hazard generator with them.
A generator can make thousands of watts per second in place. There are fuel stations everywhere and diesel is way safer and more energy dense than a battery pack. This is insane, lol. You want to drive a heavy battery around and pull energy from the grid that gets its power from fuel the same way a generator does but less efficiently and then drive it back? That is crazy.
Perhaps CT + StarLink is being positioned as a disaster response/recovery package to FEMA.
Exactly. It says so in the original post. This is why the SAT reading comprehension section exists.
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