If you bought a Model 3 in 2021, these are the features it has received since then. All via free over-the-air software updates

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> If you bought a Model 3 in 2021, these are the features it has received since then > All via free over-the-air software updates [Picture included in post](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfKeRWuWoAApADp?format=jpg&name=large) Note that they're telling you the features since the beginning of 2022, so it doesn't include what release during 2021. As a 2019 Model 3 SR+ owner, I can tell you that my list is a wee bit longer, and it's been nice to just keep getting features like this. Additionally, this seems to confirm that Tesla is aiming to do a feature updates in Spring, Summer, and for the Holidays. So, with that in mind, I'm going to assume that v13 on HW3 is likely going to be something they do in Spring 2025.

not a car, truck or interested in investment-when I received the very early M3 RWD in 2018-the car got better & better simply with OTA updates-just blown away and kept buying T$LA. I can easily buy dozens of Cyberbeast now. Just waiting for smaller/midsize Cybertruck.

"I had plenty of expendable income to invest and now I have millions and millions of dollars." Cool.

This is one of the cool things about Tesla. Other car manufacturers what you get with the car is what you get. If they make a new software feature on next years model, too bad. It’s nice knowing my car is always getting better since I’ve bought it.

2018 LR, my list is long no doubt, but it gets shorter every year as well.

Someone really added "fart on contact" still waiting for Dolby audio, steam link, hands free frunk(hands free trunk has never worked either)

What about features removed, like the 12v turning off unless it’s on camp mode?

The early days were amazing, when they were adding major features like dash cam, sentry mode, dog mode. I couldn’t believe how much better my car was getting than when I bought it. It’s also been interesting seeing how autopilot and FSD have improved over the years. Autopilot was almost unusable at first. I had to frequently disengage, and had to be on my toes for issues like phantom braking, jerky acceleration and steering. Many small incremental improvements got it to where it is today.

has anyone else noticed the lower volume when in reverse setting they added? haven’t seen anyone talk about it and imo it’s a sweet lil feature to have

I've always wanted to put this list together. It's amazing how many features they add. But they've missed some. Specifically what I believe to be some of the coolest: those that make the car *safer*. They've added things like camera-base accident prediction, improved air-bag deployment and seat-belt tensioning and some others that I'm forgetting right now.

“Fart on contact”

yep that was my first thing I switched on. I like that.

all these software additions. Now lets take a look at what has been taken away. Like stalks, USS etc

Too bad they haven’t fixed the phantom breaking problem. Edit: Tesla bots and trolls go ahead and downvote me, it doesn’t negate that it is still happening.

I appreciate all the stuff Tesla continues to update my car with. My couple year old phone will artificially be limited from simple updates.

surely you can switch that off? i feel like that would annoy the heck out of me

What about from the beginning. 2018?

Wow, somebody came and removed the stalks from your '21 M3? That's crazy...

I look like an idiot trying to test my hands free trunk lol

yes it’s a toggle switch! i turned it on bc here in LA i sometimes really need to focus when in reverse lol

Just wish I could charge at CCS chargers

It honestly hasn’t been a concern for me in recent years

Or the USS since then (don't know if they're fully disabled now)

ha ha, fair point.

I don't mind it when I'm with my wife or other adults because we're probably talking. That being said, if my toddler is in the car, she's ready to listen to her favorite song NOW!

You can, you just have to get the hardware retrofit. Did it in my 2019 Model 3 SR+ the other month.

Or being able to drive 150 km/h with „autopilot“ (which still is not what they promised and what I paid for)

Wonder why the post this now. Why mention 2021 M3… HW3 major bummer incoming?

an OTA disabled my '20 M3 radar and reduced my autopilot maximum operating speed, it was great to be able to set AP on the German autobahn at 150km/h and sit on the middle lane

They've stated that they'll retrofit the cars on the last investor call. Pretty sure they're just trying to make sure people know that software updates are a thing. 2021 is probably because they needed a stop line somewhere. This is basically Tesla's marketing.

Where is the setting for set arrival energy at destination?

What phone do you have and how is it artificially limited?

I think no one would chose a HW3 vehicle over a HW4 one at this point… and regarding the retrofit.. it’s not an „if“ it’s a must. HW3 just is not powerful enough (ignoring the lower input quality of the cameras which is also an issue imho)

Mine has got a lot better after the last update, not had anymore so far…..so far

You have to get, at least, 2024.44.25.2 to get that feature, and it's on the trip planner thing, after you pick the destination, there's an option to set arrival charge.

This assumes the person buying the car wants to use FSD. They might have no plans for FSD and will be using just Autopilot on its own. That being said, you've also pointed out that "It's not if, but must" for a HW3 retrofit, which means that folks can opt to buy a cheap HW3 vehicle, knowing that they can just do the retrofit down the road. That was what I did with my 30kWh Nissan LEAF I had. Those batteries are almost all defective, and guaranteed to end up being replaced with a 40kWh battery while under warranty. Sometimes, buying old knowing there's an upgrade is a better route to go for discounts.

Yeah of course, your car is getting to be 6~ years old and runs on legacy hardware. You will not be supported forever.

It happened last week while I was driving 70mph and it hard brakes in the middle of the highway to 45mph. You must not be driving much cause the shit happens all the time. It’s dangerous AF.

Sorry I have a new MY, so not sure how software rollouts work around here. Do I just need to go on the car and check for new updates to update to the latest version? Is there any sort of auto update or notification for new updates? Or is there a slow rollout?

Yeah, I'm curious when they will stop supporting older M3 and MY models. One day they will release the last software updates for these models... We just don't know when.

Then it turns into a normal car

Agreed. I got my M3 LEMR late 2018 and it was amazing how the first two years were with the updates. Since then it has still been good but those early years…wow.

I think early Model S cars still get some updates. I think early M3 cars are still a long way from not getting updates.

Going to refer you to [this asshole's post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1h8d5mn/your_tesla_and_its_upcoming_holiday_update/) over on /r/TeslaLounge. He's long winded, but accurate.

The phantom braking is very location dependent on where you’re driving. Long, hot, lonely desert roads and conditions that occlude cameras are still going to cause problems for the camera based system. Tesla is not the only manufacturer that struggles with this, but they’re certainly the only one that’s pushed ADAS updates to all of their vehicles to make it better vs releasing new software only with newer MY vehicles like pretty much everyone else has and still does.

I’m sure that 10 km/h really got you to your destination faster. Also the camera based system scores higher in safety tests, so I don’t think you need to worry about the radar being off.

Just me or is this list a bit inflated? Like, a redesigned aircon or something like that, it isn't an additional feature. Alternate tutes seem like they finally added a feature that should have been there from the start. Most actually seem like that. I think I kind of want to recompile the list and filter out the things that should have always been there. Apple, YouTube music etc, are totally new. The new feature coming to stop you opening the door into an incoming car, totally a valid new feature that wasn't expected.

“Fart on Contact” 

Yes, I'm still salty about the loss of radar.

Does apple even support a phone from 2018 these days? Let alone fully support them by adding new features to old phones. No reason an iPhone 10 and up couldn't have gotten a dynamic Peninsula like the dynamic island. Tesla might not be perfect with adding new features to old cars but damn they make apple look like crap. Even the earliest model S cars are supported for the most part. Can hardly get an iPad 2 online these days.

Thank you

My expectations of AP's improvement have in no way been met in the 5 years since I first used it. I am gobsmacked that I still get frequent "bailouts" (i.e. the car just drops from autosteer). This is so bad considering how beautiful the same features work in e.g. the VW ID.3 (see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9AA5LuAAJY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9AA5LuAAJY) which shows the contrast so well).

But similar hardware is found in 2022 cars.

It sounded like that retrofit was going to be provided for those who purchased FSD outright. Still TBD on a paid upgrade retrofit for those who have not purchased FSD in full.

Yeah they are, not perfect, and I have some ideas to make the animations work better but for the most part they get a decent level of support considering they use a 2011 Tegra 3 chip. Unlike many other makers, Tesla also offers upgrades to give you the same computer as a much later model and get even more without having to buy a new car. Though yes we are still waiting for an upgrade to be offered to give you the latest hardware.

As it should be, that's why people buy it outright. If it isn't offered to people who subscribe, then they can also just buy it outright. HW3 retrofit is, however, a $1,000 upgrade for people who wanted it.

At some point there needed to be the jump from HW3 to 4, as soon as they did that HW3 became "legacy" HW and was no longer the latest and greatest. iPhone 16 is the newest phone until the day the 17 comes out. If you choose to buy the phone just before the 17 comes out you cannot fault Apple for that, same goes for Tesla with HW3->4.

> I think early M3 cars are still a long way from not getting updates. Are they still updating Model 3's with HW2/2.5, just not for EAP/FSD?

If you're lucky they might upgrade your firmware and you might be able to hack it to unlock the feature its capable of. It gets worse than that though. BMW will not only not sell you a 4g upgrade for the i3. Something that 3rd parties can do, if you do it, they will block your car anyway based on the vin. The only way I have found to get it is to literally sue under the premise that the car was sold with lifetime connectivity. I have heard of someone in Australia managing to do it when they turned off the 3g network.

Interesting, I didn’t know there was a HW3 path. I’m currently in a 21 MY that I paid for FSD in full. Anxiously awaiting my HW4 upgrade.

There's two paths for HW3. HW2>HW3 get their RCCC cameras replaced with RCCB cameras, as well as the FSD computer, and HW2.5>HW3, where the person gets just the FSD Computer replaced. It's like $1,500 for the HW2>HW3 retrofit, and $1,000 for the HW2.5>HW3 retrofit. I bought my car in 2019 and was retrofit from HW2.5 to HW3 as part of the FSD package I bought.

USS still works. Radar was completely disabled and it's been a worse experience since it happened.

Well, Tesla didn't remove stalks. Lol 2021 cars still have them haha. If you're talking about newer models without them, well, that's not what we are talking about. I wish it was optional to use uss or vision on older cars. I still have hopes for vision as USS has some limits like curbes. I also never trusted uss in any car haha. Maybe I just had some bad experiences but I always looked through the rear camera.

I don't understand why most(obviously you're an exception here) complained. In Australia the highest speed limit is 110kph. Literally unaffected and I know a lot, if not most countries are similar. I thought they promised to restore full functionality? Like sire it might take a while but after 1-2 years I'd consider legal action if you're actually affected in a country like yours.

Yeah I wish they did a cyber van instead. I think it would be a more palatable market especially if they positioned it as a blank slate for customisation. Even better if you can make it modular with replaceable side panels, height add ons. Not to mention I have seen lots of vans being graffitied and dented. Would be great to have a surface that's way easier to clean and refinish and also more dent resistant. Bonus if it's modular side panels that you can replace with some bolts and calk. I want my solar powered Tesla van I can live in haha. Autonomous fsd and sleep in a bed in the back.

So regret selling my 2022 with uss. When there's any weather besides the perfect Californian sun, the experience is so much worse

Laughs in Australia with native CCS2. In fairness it's the standard and more importantly the overwhelming majority. Outside of a few older cars with chademo and a type 1 port. Unlike north America where things ramped up before fire the standards got off the ground and nacs won purely through the fact they sold so many and had a legacy issues. Not to mention nacs is so much better for a single phase. Would have loved to see a 4 pin version, similar to what they did with the modified type 2 port.just slightly thicker pins for more power. If it was that from the start, it would have been the perfect world wide port.

at the authobahn it does make a difference, on 3 lane autobahns usually slow vehicles stay on the right, fast on the left lane, and people in the middle lane typically cruise at 145-160km/h. it's the difference between following the flow of the lane or being an annoyance to others.

Apple stopped supporting my 2014 Mac mini just this year. 10 years of updates is really good.

Most of the points are useless. Tesla should also create a list of features which got cancelled like …. Steam, Disney+, … and Full Self Driving

And it's a nice little bit of info confirming that you switched to reverse. Just in case.

Disney+ is still there, it's just hidden. If yoy open the browser and go to DisneyPlus.com, the app will show up in the theater.

The list of features they removed is tiny compared to the list of features they've added.

Doesn’t matter. Part of the coolness of buying these cars was that features came over time with updates. We need to be equally honest that sometimes your favorite feature can also be ripped away in the blink of an eye. That really sucks and gives +1 to a car that gets no updates, because at least I can always count on the car doing the minimum I wanted it for. It doesn’t matter what the size of the lists are. Getting stuff taken away fucking sucks for consumers.

and still no working auto wipers

That's a cool feature. I drive a relatively old 2014 Skoda Octavia VRS in Europe and we've had that feature in a lot of VW group cars for over a decade. Nice to be able to toggle it on and off

Obviously it sucks when it affects you, but there's generally a good reason behind the very few removals that have happened. The 12V thing was for fire risks. Also, it's your choice to update. You don't have to update. If you really think that the updates make your car worse and you'd rather have no updates, you can just not install them. But I suspect you won't do that, because it's clear that the updates make your car better.

Of course I won’t do that. I’ll just keep updating, and voicing my displeasure. Then folks like you will come around and tell me I have nothing to be displeased about because there’s so much other positive stuff.

I didn't say there's zero bad. But you should keep things in perspective. It's by far net good. Way better than other cars.

I’m still wishing for a passenger door unlock from the app. How many times have I walked to the passenger door to put something in, only to have walk all the way around then back again and the back to the drivers side to get in. It should be really easy to put either a double tap for all doors or a specific unlock like frunk/trunk

I got Standard AP (Not EAP) in 2019 for my 2018 Model 3 and I have only noticed regressions. Oftentimes I would prefer to have regular cruise control over TACC.

Yeah awesome! Except my 21 doesn't have homelink like my 18 does and both of them Don't have cruise control anymore unless you turn off FSD. I would have much preferred to just have double pull for AP then lose my cruise control. I don't always want the car to steer for me when I want cruise control on imagine you're waiting behind a line of cars for a reason. It used to be that you could turn on cruise control and set it to like 2 mph and because it was aware when the vehicle ahead of you pulled forward it would just keep the consistent distance. It was very nice. Now you don't have that because if you turn on FSD it wants to go around the line of cars.

Tesla fan boys going eat you alive for this 🤣 Tesla WAS way ahead of everyone 7 years ago but not anymore. They are behind and Dlon is too busy with his new job as a wannabe US president.

Same for radar (although it's worse even in the California sun) but I guess you didn't get to experience that.

They sold FSD in 2019 as complete self driving with no driver intervention, they need to support these cars until they reach that benchmark.

Oh, I did, been driving a 3 since 2019, just - sadly - switched a few times. The radar was so very good. Autopilot was usable - even in Italy, haha

I mean, I would if the price is right. My ‘21 Y is by far the best car I’ve owned and I’m much more willing to drop $30k on a ‘22 Y with HW3 and Ryzen with 20-40k miles than a brand new Camry or a brand new Y. I don’t care for FSD and basic autopilot suits my needs. That said, if there is a Juniper update for ~$40k, it’d be hard not to spend the extra $$.

Elon quite literally said in the last earnings call that any HW3 vehicles will be upgraded for free if a HW change is required for FSD Unsupervised. If you own HW3 and have paid for FSD you will get a HW upgrade if needed.

The control for stop and go traffic is awful... it was much better when radar was still being used.

2021? What about us 2018 peeps!

What amazes me more is so many features we take for granted are not available with other brands and in the few that are they are only on specific trim levels.

They get NOTHING!

FSD with no nag was huge. The vision based parking showing lines made parking super easy. And the new cross traffic warning on the backup camera is very helpful.

Thos list includes AMD infotainment features so idk if this is accurate

😂

I must say since the 44.x version it is pretty good. It wipes slightly too often for my liking, but it's better to wipe one too many than one too few.

Just because something should have been there doesn’t mean they don’t get credit for adding it later

I remember a Update in 2019 which unlocked 50 HP or so for free 🥰

He also literally said FSD would be here 4 years ago

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I’m not following - 150 km/hr is within the 145-160 km/hr speed you just quoted - if you want to chill in that lane, you will likely end up behind a 145-150 km/hr driver relatively quickly…if you want to pass on the left, you’d need to disengage autopilot anyways. This doesn’t sound like an annoyance to others unless there aren’t any other drivers going 150 km/hr or below in that lane, which apparently isn’t the case by your own assessment. I can understand why it might be an annoyance to you, but again all I was pointing out is that it’s not a meaningful difference in destination arrival time. If you’re going 120 kilometers on the autobahn and you go 150 km/hr it’ll take 48 mins, if you go 160 km/hr it’ll take 45 mins. Before you even see a 10 min difference in arrival time, you’d need to travel about 400 kilometers and at that point you’re stopping for charging anyways and the extra time savings from higher speeds over about 130 km/hr you’re probably losing out on time from charging speeds and leaving the road to charge.

exactly 150km/h was perfect, but when they dropped radar support to use Tesla Vision only they limited it to 140km/h the change was from going at around everyone's speed and only some people need to overtake you, to have most people have overtake you, somewhere where the left lane has vehicles that often go at 200+km/h becomes an inconvenience for everyone around

It always unlock all doors for me using the mobile phone key (my phone in my pocket and Tesla app running in the background). I think you might have change the default unlock all doors to only unlock driver side door?

Good question. My M3 LEMR has HW3 since I had FSD in it and got the chip change 3 years ago or so. It still gets all the updates that it can receive or that's relevant for the car.

They feel exactly the same

This is one of those reasons even though I dont love the final CT design, I have a tough time looking at other manufacturers... Tesla products get better over time.

Pretty much. It's also well known that whatever they put out is "conservative" in how it operates, until they get more data on how it can handle things, and then they up the limits. My 2019 Model 3 SR+, for example, wasn't allowed to Supercharge faster than 120kW, when it was first released, if memory serves. Then for Christmas or something they bumped it up to about 178kW, once they got enough data on how the Standard Range cars handled supercharging. Same thing with the Cybertruck. They seemed, initially, to be limited to about 250kW, and now the limit has been bumped up to 325kW. I don't like that they don't have answers for this stuff when they release, but I appreciate that as they get data, they make data driven decisions that they can apply retroactively as they get that data.

Some of these are Ryzen only.

Yeah, they are but same time not getting upgrades that require HW3.0. EAP without HW 3.0 has no smart summon. Has no interior cabin view for sentry too.

Yes, my 2019 3 HW2.5 gets the same updates and at the same frequency as my 2024 Y HW3 except for features specifically requiring the AMD chip e.g. fullscreen 3D visualisations and some games.

I got my model 3 in Sept 2021. I don't have live radar on my map.

2024.44.25.3 is bringing it

Ok then! Nice.

yea same. i'm guessing they're either using the key card (i don't ever use it, so not sure), or they need to adjust the below setting > Driver Door Unlock Mode >> Enabling Controls > Locks > Driver Door Unlock Mode only unlocks the driver door when you first unlock Model 3. The driver door unlocks only if a key is present on the driver side of the vehicle and not the passenger side. To unlock the remaining doors, long press the button located at the top of the interior driver door handle, use the touchscreen, mobile app, or press the key fob a second time.

while i get what you're saying, elon does spout shit nonstop (amphibious cybertruck?), there is a difference about getting a release date wrong and lying about free hardware retrofits. but what i anticipate happening is HW4 *might* get unsupervised (i still doubt that), and then elon will say "we need time to optimize the AI model for HW3" and years and years will pass with them saying this. this effectively bypasses any promise for a retrofit because "we're actively working on it" so technically they haven't broken their promise. and yea, eventually the AI model will be optimized to a point that a dumbed down but good enough version can run on HW3. it just might take a very long time. still far cheaper than retrofitting millions of cars for free.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/iphone-models-compatible-with-ios-18-iphe3fa5df43/ios yes, but 2018 is the oldest.

Oh that makes more sense if it’s limited to 140 km/hr, I misunderstood that it was limited to 150 km/hr. Unfortunately I don’t get to deal with such issues as the US has no speed limits that high lol.

preach. always was a weird decision when you have single/double pull without autopilot, and then enabling autopilot just removes the double pull. there's no reason they can't both exist. while we're at it, let me permanently enable "minimize lane changes" when using FSD. i fucking hate how it changes lanes to go 3mph faster. that's the whole reason i want to use FSD. to sit in my lane and relax.

And caraoke for people using WiFi hotspots...

When I got my model 3 it didn’t have fm radio

Biggest update for me has been the adaptive headlights from spring 24. They're phenomenal

There is likely a point where the best features are improved upon/evolved and there isn't really a need for dozens more.. Features are optimized

Same timing for me. Are there any updates you have done to your car since 2018 that weren’t free software upgrades? I never really took care of my car but recently have been making the most of my unlimited supercharging and can’t see myself ever selling this car, so want to future proof it somewhat. Any ideas how?

I tinted the windows as that makes my summer much cooler. Also got a sun roof screen. Did the PPF when I got the car (just the front) but don’t think it was worth it. Other than that I haven’t done much. Oh, got new aero wheel covers which look better than the OEMs

I feel like when I turn on fsd I'm riding in a car with a teenager that has just learned how to drive in California. Especially when it starts to tell me how to drive

To be fair they shouldn’t be using Auto Pilot on a road like that. It’s for freeways. To be even fairer the VW’s system is more like FSD, and obviously superior to Auto Pilot. Yeah, I was well impressed by the VW.

I just downloaded the holiday update and it doesn't work. Thought I was supposed to get mobile app dash cam viewing. Only for iOS!!!!!

I mean that describes every time I tried to use my fsd trials in a small town area.

If you are like me and got a '21 Intel model, you won't have Zoom. What other features will we miss out on due to hardware limitations?

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This is pure BS. Never had this issue on any other car. Happens on my model 3 on every trip at least once. None OTA update made it significantly better over last 4 years. It is right next to the rain sensor on a short list of things that are constantly broken and will remain this way most likely.

What about things that have been removed? Free slacker, boombox while driving, and others

Those devices don’t suddenly stop working. And that usually comes 6-7 years after launch, in the case of Apple devices.

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Wiper update plz

No, it’s not pure BS, it’s a common issue with all manufacturers and is documented as such.

I got a 2018 DM LR earlier this year and just the things that changed in that short time with such an “older” vehicle impress tf outta me. Thinking about upgrading to HW3, anyone have any pros or cons to doing this?

That point typically doesn’t happen for several years after a device’s support is sunsetted. Look at popular apps like Facebook or Google search, they support iOS 15 which includes devices sold in 2015 (iPhone 6S). If your argument is that Apple could support the 6S for longer, then perhaps you’re right but how much more do you think the market is willing to pay for the device to include that level of support? It’s not some grand conspiracy.

Man this has a lot less cool features than I thought I’d have saw actually.

I'm so happy I still have HW 2.5 which means I keep my radar-based AP. Every time I drive my friends' newer cars with vision-only AP, shit don't feel right to me, or as safe.

Honestly, given how Tesla is constantly improving their cars with updates, i feel not not doing computer upgrades when given a chance is a disadvantage. Right now there isn't much benefit if yoy don't do FSD, but FSD 12.5.4.X and above is just a big difference. More so, eventually, Tesla is likely going replace Legacy Autopilot with a Mini-neural net, which will likely require HW3. Cons is cost.

Yeah, don't forget the "three strike one week autopilot timeout" update with false positives and no chance to reset without regulatory need outside US update. People love that one.

I've only ever gotten one strike, and it was because I couldn't keep my eyes open. I've learned that the folks who repeatedly get strikes and locked out either have a defect that needs to be reviewed, or are lying out their ass about how little attention they're paying while Autopilot/FSD is in action. I'll give you the same challenge DirtyTesla gave folks. Set up a camera that watches you, and a camera that shows the center console screen (Two cameras), and show us getting a strike while paying attention to the road. Thus far, no one's been able to do that and demonstrate that they were 100% paying attention.

Well with HW2.5 there it is not observing you. It just mentions you to push force on the steering wheel. And then there is a bug with the Atom MCU where the blue blinking or textbox don't appear on the screen observed by multiple people with that older hardware. And the first acoustic warning already counts as a strike. But good you know better about other people who get strikes! Can't wait until your hardware is considered deprecated by Tesla and new owners start teaching you how unresolved bugs on your vehicle are your fault because it works for them on newer hardware.

This is the first time I'm hearing about those bugs. If I were someone with one of those cars, I'd be doing recordings of the issue and trying to get attention on it. That said, the HW3 retrofit on a 2.5 car is only $1,000. I'd be looking into it if I knew it got me better performance. For what it's worth, I have an MCU2 car that I retrofit to HW3, and an MCU3 car that also has HW3 I try to keep the hardware in my cars updated as retrofits become against *because* it is known that Tesla slows down development on cars with older hardware. The MCU1 folks, for example, get like one or two big updates a year. MCU2 folks aren't that far behind that kind of cadence. But, again, first time I'm hearing of these kinds of bugs on HW2.5, but also, the upgrade to HW3 isn't that much either.

Naa, I don't give more money to Tesla for hardware promised to be present ("All vehicles are equipped with hardware capable of full self driving") that won't bring me even close to FSD. Also not fighting for a shitty community that tends to proof its my fault more than acknowledging even if I gave the video proof. My next car will be one with working rain sensors and USS parking distance and a power outlet. Other manufacturers (Porsche, Rivian, Mercedes, Hyundai/Kia) also make nice EVs these days.

Straw Man with a Red Herring. Got it.

There’s a good chance HW3 won’t even support the next gen stuff which is why I’m iffy on it, although there are benefits like green light chime, auto signal shut off, useable browser and YouTube apps and overall faster computer. I won’t pay the $8k but I would consider the $99/month for FSD, I work at Tesla Giga Texas so I’d get FSD for free when I buy get a new car

HW3 is unlikely to continue to support the next gen stuff, however, technology is constantly improving, and we're always more to be able to do more with less, or get more in less. I fully expect HW3 to be retrofittable to something down the road, what the cost or the timelines are on that, that's the bigger question. They've done it once, they can do it again.

Interesting, I feel the opposite about autopilot. Yes, it has improved a bit over the last couple of years, but the AP in my 2018 Model 3 was still superior.  I used to blame it on the absence of radar. But then during the recent FSD trial I saw how much better the car was at simply cruising and handling traffic. I still don’t understand why they aren’t using this SW stack in all cars for base AP.

That’s true, thanks for the input🫡

There is a setting that either allows ALL doors to be unlocked , or ONLY the driver door. Yes , I get that . However , I do not want the passenger and all doors to be unlocked at all times when I hit the unlock button. I don’t need some “random” jumping in my car at the mall, or gas station . However , if the app had a seperate control it would in fact, be safer and easier. Don’t think I should have to go digging through my backpack or my wife’s purse to look for a key card when my hands are full of groceries or goods . We are told That is what the phone is for.

I had two radar equipped Teslas prior to my current 2024 Model Y and truly do not notice any difference in stop and go traffic. sometimes is works great and is smooth and other times you get hard braking and jerkiness

Sorry, I should state that my opinion is based on my car with FSD, and highway use. I don’t know how basic AP compares. I was also using EAP before they made basic AP available to everyone. It was really bad initially, in 2018. My wife’s reactions are a good measure of how it’s doing… The frequent phantom braking during the first few years would get my wife to scream at me for trying to use AP. This hasn’t happened in a long time. :)

I don't feel unsafe per se, it just doesn't want to get up to speed and slows down some for no apparent reason too often. Also it can't do much in light rain, snow or driving into the sun compared to when I had radar. I got my car when HW3 was just coming out, at the time I was glad to get HW3 (likely because I purchased FSD.) Now I'd rather have HW 2.5 as I rarely use FSD for more than TACC.

Please remember that before Tesla this list would have been empty (and it would still be empty for any other maker today if Tesla hadn't set this precedent). You and I are still getting stuff for free more than half a decade after we bought the car. That is *not* normal vendor behavior after sale! Griping about no longer getting as much free stuff seems kinda...ungrateful.

Eh, a lot of those features are hardware, region or even phone OS locked. So list varies a lot. ie if you've an android phone then no, you won't get the Tesla App Dashcam Viewer. If the car's not an updated M3 or MY (I'm guessing) then no hands free trunk.

Nah I’m far from ungrateful, just pointing out that big game changing updates are for the refreshed HW4 cars. I love my 2018 LR AWD 3. I’d be happy if it was my last car ever. To your point, the main reason I steered towards Tesla and not other car makers were legit the software alone. They are in a different class.

they turned off the radar input even from cars that have the radar for autopilot a few years ago to simpilify the autopilot control stack. So all your radar equipped ones have been camera only for years as well

Don't know why you're being downvoted. If we judged everything by comparing it to the state of everyone else's cars, then there's like nothing we'd ever be able to celebrate. An update is an update

To be fair, 90% of normal updates are like that. Like every year, cars redesign the exterior aesthetic of a car. There's no functional changes to how a car works-- a spoiler is a spoiler, a door is a door, a hood is a hood. It'd be insane to just say "oh so there's no difference between pre-facelift and post-facelift; it's just an appearance change!" If we only redesigned things when there was a dramatic new increase in productivity or functionality, all of our tools, items, and things would still look like the very first product of that category.

Wasn't it once called "planned obsolescence" ?

Not in my case, I had a 2016 X and a 2019 X and know exactly when they removed the radar as it was part of an FSD update at the time.

Reductive takes are commonplace.

Fair enough, but that doesn't make them wrong.

100% agree!

That’s also my take on the “Tesla changelog”. YES there are legit new features that improve the use of your car, and they are nice enough to push them to everybody. BUT the list is inflated a lot, there is a lot of things that should be normal and a lot of questionable adds like “Fart On Contact”. Cool the car can fart, but in Europe it is still unable to alert you of speed zone. So.. to me they are over-flexing a lot.

It’s a physical issue. If you watch your windshield when there is a drizzle, you’ll see that the top is gathering much less water. Since the camera is located at the top of it, it just “see” less rain than you. I believe it’s because of aerodynamic, so an issue than cannot really be solved, even with the best software in the world.

I had a 2016 S, with Mobile Eye AP so AP1, it was damn near perfect on the highways. I feel like we only regressed since then. I had 3 Teslas before moving on to Mercedes and Rivian and I still think AP1 was better then all of them for highways.

Well, kind of hard to argue the fart stuff isn't a feature that is new.

The redesigned air condition screen sucks. You can’t actually see the edges of the buttons so it takes me several times to turn the darn thing on or off while I’m driving if I don’t want to use voice commands. Whatever UI “expert” tested and approved it should be fired.

I'm sure apple will fix that with the next update haha.

Just because it's not on the list, doesn't mean it's not there. Seems like you need to check the settings on how doors are unlocked. Is it just the driver's door, or is it all of them etc.

Only 10.....sigh, support used to be so much longer The sad part is, you can get the latest version of Mac os running on macs as old as 2009(or even 2007) granted with a bit of effort. A 2014 Mac there isn't as much effort needed. Most of it is just overriding Apple's artificial blocks. I miss the old days. 10.5 the block was only in the installer. You could install 10.5 on an 800mhz dual CPU powermac using a single core 867mhz g4 and target disk mode. The dual CPU 800mhz doesn't meet the requirements, yet runs better.

Well, software updates are usually focused on the MCU not HW computers. As in, these are separate systems. Also yeah, all the things others said about Tesla promised these cars will be able to do robotaxi.

>Answer Phone Calls from Steering Wheel How was it even legal for them to sell the car in states with hands free laws but not have that basic feature?

I’m not sure I’m following you on this. “Just because it’s not on the list” What do you mean? Is there a secret list , a special code ?

Even HW 2.0 cars?

Yea next upgrade will be HW4 if they make that possible 🤷🏽‍♂️. Not holding my breath though.

Same…just gonna have to be a new car. Juniper maybe?

Oh nah lol. I meant pay to upgrade my car to HW4. But yea juniper would be nice.

Just because it's not on the list of new features, doesn't mean it wasn't already a feature(setting) or wasn't something added without them adding it to the list. That is, the list isn't proof of a lack of feature. It's just random list with human error or it was decided not to list it.

Just because you say the same, unreliable thing a second time, doesn’t mean it’s anymore intelligible .

Clearly you have never seen the list of things added in a software update. LTDR, "Bug fixes" even though it might include a major feature.

Is there anything comparable happening on other EV's? I'm not hearing of significant annual updates, let alone big ones multiple times per year. Would love to know which manufacturers have promised OTA updates with new features (not just recall things), and which ones have actually delivered.

My dilemma right now is to either purchase a new MYLR or a used. I could save nearly $18k for one with 41k miles. The incentives on a new are so good right now, it feels hard to pass up. Is it worth it going new?

Did you know that the company has more than one person running operations?

The decision to focus entirely on cameras set Tesla back years. They shaved ~$600 off the car removing radar and USS and cost themselves years of development recreating features that are less reliable. Foggy? Maybe no TACC/EAP/FSD for you!

I did get the free HW2.5 to HW3 upgrade on my 2018 Model 3 LR AWD, but you can’t get the “infotainment” computer upgraded from the Intel Atom to the AMD chip, which is where most of the features live… all the non-FSD bits.

That is a helpful aspect, albeit a little bit worrying that the direction is ever in doubt!

Not in doubt, but I have a tendency to flick the level past the detent for a short enough duration that it doesn't register.