New Anti-Door-Opening Feature!(highland) on version 2024.44

Great... now how about turn signal stalks

Bruh they never coming back

Not coming back. The wheel buttons aren’t bad

Interesting method of testing...

Tesla really needs to stop being so damn cheap. A central screen to indicate warnings like this is basically pointless. Same issue with the lane change warning indicator while driving. Human Factors designers exist for a reason, and they are screaming into the void about how emergency warnings need to be placed in such a way as to be immediately observed by the user in context of what they're doing so they can act with an equally immediate response. If you want a driver to avoid opening that driver's door because in 0.5 seconds there will be a car that will hit them if they do, you put the fucking warning light on that door/mirror, like literally every other car manufacturer has done for a decade or two. You don't hide it away in imperceivably small text on a screen that the driver isn't even looking at in the moment. This stuff is so basic it's infuriating.

It's not just a warning. The car physically stops you from opening the door by not disengaging the door latch, so everything you said doesn't really matter in this context.

Don't need them when the car drives itself 99% of the time

Sick GTI

In fact, I like them better than stalks. Buttons are just simpler/easier in most cases.

Tell me you don't drive a Highland without telling me you don't drive a Highland.

Ever used a roundabout?

I really like the idea. If it works and actually lets me get out of the car when there’s no danger I‘m all for it. Maybe a second push of the button should open the door regardless of what the car thinks is happening around it, to minimize the chance of locking someone in. EDIT: According to [notateslaapp](https://www.notateslaapp.com/software-updates/version/2024.44.3/release-notes) that’s exactly how it works.

Great feature! They should also add a rear cross-traffic warning using the rear camera. HW4 in particular has a rear camera with a very wide angle (wider than what it shows on the screen), so such a warning would be useful.

Isn’t there a red indicator light in the speaker in the video, or am I imagining things?

One would hope the manual latch overrides this feature.

just get aftermarket ones

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The manual latch is, as the name says, manual. Electronics cannot hold it back, it physically moves the door lock.

Let's hope it recognizes cycles too...

Of course it would - that's the whole point of manual overrides.

Correct, CT has it and so do the highlands. Blind spot is there now

I don't mind the lack of them as much as I expected. In fact, I go to my older Model 3 and it feels... old and clunky. But some solid 3rd party options are here or coming. The makers of the S3XY buttons have stalks coming coon, and their development team is very impressive. For example, on the Highland, they just added features like: The light strip turns red if you put on your turn indicator and a car is in your blind spot, or it flashes blue if the nag wants you to turn the wheel. Really slick features.

Wow 👏

Unless you push the button again, which is what we all do when our input isn't met the with the expected result.

I drive a highland and I’m of the same opinion

Hasn't this been a feature for... forever now? I thought that's the whole point of electronic latches (and why Volvo invented them in the first place).

Same big brain energy for people with don’t need a license if the car drives itself.

The only reason (previously) for the manual button was that it needed to roll down the window a few inches before it opened the door. Using the manual latch can/will damage the rubber seal around the door and even potentially break the glass.

This isn’t new my Y does this

No.

It does, but pressing the button a second time also overrides it.

That's cool, now I just wish they would fix my windows opening for no reason after I park in the winter.

The fact that it didn't work the first time plus the warning beep will give people pause.

No it doesn't. This is new in 2024.44.

I’ve had frameless window cars with regular door handles. It would roll down the window when you pull the door handle. All that needs is a sensor to detect the handle being pulled. Or, you know, they could also just use framed windows like the vast majority of other cars. The electronic release has always been a solution in search of a problem. But smart doors like in this example are an actually nice feature of them.

There’s also always the manual override which probably works. That way you don’t get stuck in the car if there’s a fire or knife murderer with ya or something

Frameless windows are my biggest complaint about this car ngl. I’ve always had those wind guards on my previous cars to prevent wind noise when the window is down. M3P is just loud with windows cracked/down at speed. As someone who loves driving with the windows down, it bugs the crap out of me. let’s not even talk about the wipers pushing rain straight into the cabin.

Pressing the button a second time overrides this feature. Don't use the manual release unless you want to risk breaking your window.

Unless you’re turning like 180 degrees, using blinkers on the wheel itself isn’t hard at 9 and 3. Imo, the right blinker should be on the right side and the left blinker on the left to make using them more intuitive.

I don’t know if the Highland’s steering ratio is different than the 2023 Model 3, but if it’s not, then any regular-sized European roundabout requires me to turn the steering wheel over 90° which makes me shift my hands and therefore puts the buttons out of reach.

Everyone has button-mashed before. A tiny chime isn’t going to change that, especially if you have music playing. Is this better than the door just opening first try, sure, but this isn’t some brilliant, full-proof fix.

The door only opens a crack by pressing the button so I don't see any issue.

Unless you're in the back, then Tesla just says sorry bye

How are they out of reach? Aren’t your hands at 12 and 6 at that point instead of 10 and 2 if you’re turning. The buttons will still be the exact same distance from your hands. Are you saying you’re going hand over hand on the steering wheel inside a traffic circle like a bus?

No, I’m feeding the wheel, as is taught in German driving education lessons because of higher safety. My hands are never going over each other, they basically always remain at the 3 and 9 positions. If the steering wheel is at 90° and you were to keep it at the button position, your wrist at the 6 position is rotated so much that you will not have your full strength available in case something happens where you need to quickly react. Furthermore, if the wheel is further along at 100° or more, it becomes basically impossible to keep the hand on the wheel at all unless you are enormously flexible. And then it also becomes a problem of crossing your arms over the airbag, which is also unsafe, you could break them when the airbag goes off.

I've got lots of tiny roundabouts around me and I manage to indicate into and out of them with buttons.

Interesting. Adapting to the buttons was about as smooth to me as moving to a spedometer on the screen. I've seen teslas with after-market HUDs and even air vent phone mounts. Do you have those, too?

How do you do that? Do you look down at the wheel? Genuinely curious.

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Keep your finger on the button that will be your exiting direction (left for UK/Ireland/AUSNZ etc..), so as you're going round the roundabout your right indicator will be on, then when you need to signal for your exit then you simply press the button your finger is on. It's very simple. Although id still prefer if there was a little nipple on the left button so I could feel for it.

Mine does this too

So basically you’re only holding the steering wheel with one hand while the other hovers over the button?

Doe aftermarket combustion engines count?

I've been using the wheel buttons for 2 years. I still miss the stalks.

Software cant make the door swing open so it fine

The highland has accent lighting on the door?? When the highland came out I didn’t see anyone mention this on the sub. What other upgrades does it have??

i grew up riding in the 3rd row of a family SUV where the back seats didn't even have doors or windows that open. or just 4 seater coupes, its nothing new to have to climb to the front

Or ignores them on purpose 

It's a fairly harsh warning beep that also quiets the music while it plays. Nothing will be completely foolproof. This is great.

No it doesn't. There isn't a single video on the internet of a Tesla doing this before 2024.44, because it didn't exist before 2024.44.

Just remember guys. A whole family died bc of Musk not realizing how dumb electronic locks are. Their car caught on fire and the system failed to let them open the doors to get out. These are garbage, death trap vehicles

Replying to a deleted comment: I agree with you that there is no advantage to moving to buttons other than look. I'm pretty much on the same page with removing the instrument panel. I just don't think it was particularly difficult to transition to either. As far as avantages to stalks, I'll grant you that flashing my brights quickly is difficult. That, of course, is necessary since everybody thinks i have my brights on, thanks to the lack of composite lights. That's the only real challenge. I spent a bunch of time at the beginning training myself to hit the blinkers without looking, and while it's unfortunate that I had to do that, it wasn't that big of a deal.

I wonder why this isn't on the CT

When opening the door with the button, it doesn't swing open. Instead, it pops to like... a centimeter of so. The side mirrors extends 15x further than the popping door. That means that if the other car wasn't going to hit the side mirror, then popping the door open wouldn't change anything. Even if the security system didn't work, and the door popped.... there's no danger The guy filming had no intention of pushing the door wide open. This is **vastly** different than people putting their finger in the cybertruck frunk. Mainly because if the frunk security doesn't work, their fingers **are gonna** be crushed.

Opening all the way, or opening just a little bit? Opening a little bit is on purpose, so that if it freezes, you can still open your door without damaging the window and/or the trim.

I live in France, and trust me we have **a metric fuckton** of roundabout. They're like.... everywhere. I expected that it was going to be really annoying. But after two weeks or so, the wheel buttons really became second nature... to the point I prefer then over regular stalks. Yep! Unexpected but true. On the contrary, I expected that the camera only parking assist (Tesla vision) was going to be okay. **TURNS OUT IT'S NOT.** It doesn't report obvious obstacles, it reports phantom walls, it says I'm right next to the wall when there's a one meter gap..... Tesla Vision is not just "bad". It's downright **horrible**. It's freaking effed, it does **not** work, and my bumper has scar from that. I wasn't expecting this either.

Byecycle

Could not open the door, second time it worked, car was passing by, thought it was great! No video indeed, i never do while driving

HAL, open the bay door. I'm sorry Dave, I cannot do that. Also my name isn't HAL just like your's isn't Dave.

could we get some different sounds please? I think that same sound is used 10 different ways in the Tesla

The problem is that little gap opens far more than it should, like 1-2 inches sometimes, especially when it's very cold, so I walk away from the car and I can see an obvious window gap that people could get into my car from or snow would fall in, so I have to go back and roll the window fully up. It did this last year too. I think the window motor gets weak when it gets very cold and it gaps but doesn't roll up enough.

There’s a latch in the rear doors of the model y, just in a different location

Has it really been two years since the Highland debuted? Wow. Have you seen the aftermarket add-ons?

You can try to [recalibrate your windows](https://service.tesla.com/docs/Public/diy/model3/en_us/GUID-B6C81FC2-A37C-462B-8A71-FDE0F7B0734E.html). If that doesn't work, hopefully you're still under warranty and they'll fix it for you.

Model S/X

If you followed the Highland refresh on this sub, I legitimately have no idea how you missed this.

Then only things gathered from the highland update post were that it looked different, is a little more quiet and lots of complaints about no turn signal stalk. I was say legitimately 98% of anything I learned from this sub about the highland was no turn signal stalk

wouldnt buy a tesla if that imbicile paid me .

There are manual release latches on both front doors. Tesla is not even remotely the only automaker that uses electronic door latches, which is why a law exists requiring a manual override. Failing everything else, a seatbelt latch plate can make quick work of breaking any car window.

You probably just got confused. Again, there is no evidence of this feature ever existing before now.

This is one instance where I’d be fine with keeping the risk around for the sake of people being able to get out of the car in an emergency. Doesn’t seem like a good idea to prevent doors from opening unless they were intentionally locked.

Why is this only on the Highland? What technology is preventing this from being on HW4 Model Y

Dumbest comment ever. You can literally see the red blind spot indicator light up in the video, and its right in the path of your vision. The vehicle also chimes to alert you of the risk. The UI just shows a text (edit - typo) popup with context on why the door was not released, which is a natural thing to check after the door didn't do what you expect and you hear a chime. What do you want, a tiny screen next to the door button?

Where is the indicator? I don't see anything lighting up in the video except the message on the middle screen. Edit: I see in another comment that is in the speaker. That's great, I had no idea that was added. Hard to see it in the video but I assume it's clearer in person. I take back my criticism.

Gotta move on.

Alright man.

Yeah it’s weird. Really should be on all their cars but if the reason is it needs the latest hardware, CT has that.

I’ve never heard of any other car having this feature. I just googled the Volvo thing and it looks like they added this to their semi trucks just last year.

Then this isn't about you.

Teslas have both electronic and manual locks. In fact most people accidentally use the manual one, and have to be told where the electronic button is.

Improved suspension and improved cabin noise are the big changes, no stalks, interior update, back passanger screen are others.

Yeah we should be good now ever since Tesla got rid of HAL-9000 from their system.

Something for someone to test out!

https://www.reddit.com/r/waymo/s/vCgtSVXKXN Too bad Waymo doesn’t have this feature.

no..it isnt about me...its about snake oil sellers

You can still open the door if you press the button a 2nd time or you can use the manual latch in case of a real emergency. Otherwise for literally over 99.9% of the time a feature like this is much better and safer for everyone and not just the driver from the get out. This will also save the lives of bicyclist who get "doored" by drivers who don't pay any attention. Because dooring incidents have caused the deaths of cyclists from not necessarily running into the door itself but by being run over and hit by traffic after crashing into the door.

Seeing that the message says "Passing pedestrian, bike, or vehicle detected" I would venture it does.

You always have the emergency handle thats mechanical. That overrides everything.

It's been a feature for years at this point, and not just on Volvo cars. In a quest to find other examples (Lexus, Zeekr), I think I also found the reason why Tesla finally bothered to include it (or rather, enabled the software for it): https://www.euroncap.com/en/car-safety/the-ratings-explained/vulnerable-road-user-vru-protection/cyclist-dooring-prevention/ In short, they'd get penalized on EuroNCAP safety tests now if they didn't have it, and they don't want to lose the brand image and bragging rights of being an EuroNCAP Top Pick.

So we can add snake oil and door latches to the list of things you don't seem to understand. That's helpful.

It's relatively common for most higher end cars. My Taycan has it for example. It also has a light in the door to indicate that it's unsafe to open the door.

Evidence was me the other day opening the door to get my kids and it beeped and door didn’t open.

Pre-refresh S/X had a sort of hybrid interior handle. The first half of the pull is electronic and lowers the window, and the last half is mechanical. I don't really mind the buttons, but the handles needed zero explaining to passengers.

Maybe but they will definitely improve the current setup with better placed buttons or some other mechanism.

And yet nobody has ever captured it in a photo or video? I find that hard to believe. I think an alternative explanation is more likely, such as maybe your car wasn't in park.

🤦🏾‍♂️ why am I exiting a stopped parked car thats not in park? Sorry I’m out living life not recording my cars safety features bro. 😅😅

I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm saying that out of the millions of Tesla owners, nobody has captured this feature in a photo or video, unlike literally every other feature. That tells me the feature almost certainly didn't exist. As you can see by this post, when a new Tesla feature comes out, people tend to post photos/videos about it on the internet.

I grew up in the back rear-facing seat of a station wagon. No getting out there! Well, usually the rear window was down allowing for those sweet, sweet leaded gasoline exhaust fumes to flow in freely. Good times!

Esterreich ❤️

Red warning dot on the speaker, too.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/2024-tesla-model-3-highland-every-change-whats-new-different/ Just read this article and I’m def FW the highland; I want one. Is there a more technical write up on the improvements with the tech, and electronics?

“Violently opens door”

I'm surprised Teslas don't have that. My Telluride has it and even vibrates the steering wheel to alert you of the cross traffic

Yeah, they're missing that one. Tesla has a lot, but no car has every feature.

I feel the same way. I did a few demo weekends with the Model 3 and was surprised by how comfortable it became. A few awkward moments but they were due to me being admittedly slow to signal before starting a turn.

They don’t because it’s patented and Elon doesn’t want to pay for the license like every other car manufacturer does.

Testing in prod>>

That's pure speculation on your part. It could just be low on their priority list and they'll do it eventually, just like the new feature in this post.

In cold weather the windows kind of go haywire. I have the same experience as the poster you’re replying to in cold weather ( like -20C). Window cracks as normal to open door, then when I shut it, it goes down further instead of up. Open the door and push the button and it goes up a bit then further down, etc. it can take a while of window lottery to get it to actually close. I assume the cold messes with either a motor or a sensor. Annoying AF.

It's just feel. You know where the buttons are and where the top of the wheel is so it's just a matter of going from there. It definitely took more getting used to than the stalks we've used forever but it was a matter of a couple of hours of driving.

Just back from driving, it's my thumb I have on it, so two hand holding the wheel and thumb placed on the button

Ugh fire murderers are the worst, I'd go for knife over them any day.

How do you keep both hands firmly holding onto it past 100°? Or is the steering ratio really that different on the Highland?

How come u have the update already in Austria?

Simple and practical.

Is this only for the front doors or also the back? Could be useful in the back as well, especially for taxi / ride sharing as its more difficult to check the mirror to see if something is coming and often people just swing the door open anyways.. Of course this is assuming the rear doors have a manual override.. I would like to think it's illegal not to in the EU and can't believe it's not the case everywhere.

The rear doors have a manual unlock. That's required by law in EU. They are placed differently and inconvenient to be fair. But every owner hopefully is aware of them and knows how to open those doors with no LV battery.

But what about your passengers not familiar with your vehicle?

You’re right it is speculation, however most people would agree that cross traffic alerts are more important than door ajar, alert alerts. So we can reasonably conclude there is something stopping them from implementing the more requested feature.

Then at least one person is aware on how to operate it. That's enough. Most passengers don't even know the front door manual unlock on most cars as every car does that differently.

Think outside the box. What if that one person is unconscious because of the accident? And what do you mean by a manual release on other cars? Most cars have a traditional door handle. Never seen one that came with some other manual way to open a door.

Every car nowadays has an electronic lock. If that's locked and the car has no power you always have a manual release somewhere. This has nothing to do with the door handle itself as even a normal door handle won't open a locked car. If you have never seen it you simply didn't know about it. On an Audi you pull the lever very hard on the inside twice to manually unlock the door. On the rear they work similarly to Tesla. That said, all cars (so Teslas as well and many BMWs) with frameless door windows can't be opened without electronics / a classic door handle without damaging the window. For this reason all of those cars have an emergency release as well although it's not easy to push the door open with the window closed then (the window will also break).

What you're describing sounds like something a service centre should take a look at. That is not typical behaviour (as far as I know).

Nope. I've seen this same argument made for many features that Tesla did eventually implement. One example is speed limit sign detection. For years people claimed that another company had a patent on it and "Elon is just too cheap" to license the patent. And then eventually Tesla added the feature in an update and those people shut up. A possible reason for not doing rear cross-traffic alert first could be that it's more complex to implement, since they have to account for cameras with drastically different fields of view between HW3 and HW4. They also already have a side blind spot detection feature they can piggyback on for this feature, so it was likely much quicker/easier to implement compared to rear cross-traffic alert.

maybe we need a www.helpimlockedinacartrunkwhichmodelamIinandhowdoIopenitfromtheinside.com

“Sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.”

Can’t you just reposition your hands over the buttons? It’d definitely take time to get used to, every other mass market car has stalks, and that’s what our muscle memory is trained on. Hopefully they’ll do it [Ferrari style](https://stat.overdrive.in/wp-content/odgallery/2015/06/25530_140916_SoggVolante_458speciale_L_468x263.jpg).

How would I reposition my hand over the button without letting go of the wheel? If the wheel is turned over 90°, the button is somewhere on the other side of where it usually is, and upside-down. Even if it was Ferrari-style, it wouldn’t help in the usability, the button still moves out of range of your hand as long as the steering ratio is the same.

I'm entering the roundabout and i press the right indicator to indicate I'll be exiting after 12oclock, I have my left thumb lightly placed on the left indicator, and then after only about 50 degrees I'm threading the wheel and now I place my right thumb on the left indicator, the idicator buttons are no at 2oclocl as opposed to the original 9oclock, and this is fine up to 6 o'clock... You would be better taking a highland for a test drive or simple take you own car out to a roundabout and pretend there's a button on your wheel and try it...it feels weird for the 1sr drive then you'll get very used to it

Very nice!

waymo needed this the other day lol

That's a great feature. Hopefully morons won't just override it without looking...... Who am I kidding, that's exactly what will happen.

Did anyone ask

Unless I am missing something, no manual release in the rear doors of our 2022 & 2023 Model 3s in the UK (nothing under the rubber mat in the door pocket)

Model 3 has it too but its not easy to find.

I pretty much always open the door without putting my car in park, and it always works. So that’s not it either.

But it beeps at you when you do that, so maybe this guy just heard that beep and thought it was a blind spot warning.

My Model 3 does not have one.

[https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en\_us/GUID-A7A60DC7-E476-4A86-9C9C-10F4A276AB8B.html](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC7-E476-4A86-9C9C-10F4A276AB8B.html) Like I said not easy to find. Its in the holder and up have to lift some thing up and then there is a manual pull thing. No idea if you can access it without damaging anything. It is really a terrible design.

Old Model 3s do not have this. You'd need to disassemble the rear passenger doors to modify in that capability (there are videos online of how to do so... search "Model 3 Emergency Door Install and Order" on YouTube for an example).

The car literally has manual lock overrides on every door now, and for the Model 3 it's literally right next to the electronic unlock button. If you manage to die in this car because of the electronic locks failing it's because you're a dumbass.

Actually there is. It’s in the door pocket. You’ll notice a little panel. Open that up and you’ll see a cable inside. Pull that. :)

That’s also what everyone thought about for blind spot cameras when your turn signal is on but Tesla ended up adding that as well.

Looks like you were proven wrong even earlier than I thought: https://x.com/Tesla/status/1863433027155804639

lol did you come back 10 days later to specifically tell someone they were wrong? Get a life, you will be much happier.

This is entirely incorrect. GM, Hyundai and i am sure many others all have manual releases for their car doors that are integrated with the interior door handle, having learned from a few tragic incidents in the 00s and 10s that electronic locks without obvious escape mechanisms are a bad idea. You pull twice and the door opens. Tesla is lagging behind on this, and there's no excuse.

Owned

Saw a video, BMW just showing that blinking ambient lighting as warning in a similar situation.