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What does this mean? Tesla pays your home electric bill for whatever the car pulls off the grid?
Tesla is a retail power company in Texas [https://www.tesla.com/tesla-electric](https://www.tesla.com/tesla-electric) \> Tesla is a retail electricity provider that helps you power your home, charge your electric vehicle and support the grid with low-cost, 100% Texas-generated sustainable electricity. To join, **you need to live in an area of Texas that allows you to choose your electricity provider**—you don’t need to own a Tesla product to be eligible.
In certain parts of Texas, you can choose tesla electric as your electricity provider. They are set up as a retail electricity provider similar to how you can switch to tesla insurance as insurance provider in a dozen or so states https://www.tesla.com/support/tesla-electric#eligible-tesla-electric
That’s a great deal!
How does Texas define sustainable? They would love nothing more than to declare natural gas sustainable.
Very dope
Texas produces more TWh of renewable energy than any other state and it ain't even close https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_renewable_electricity_production
Florida Power & Light (FPL) has a similar program in Florida (“EVolution”) that provides unlimited EV charging at night and weekends but it costs $34/mo. So you need to do about 1000 miles/mo of home charging to break even. They do include a charger, permitting and installation, but you sign a five year contract, have to pay $768 early termination fee to cover equipment removal if <5 yrs and if you don’t keep for 10 yrs you have to pay any outstanding value on the charger. Such an appealing program!
This person wants to virtue signal so bad, no matter what the data says.
It seems counterintuitive given that they are a ruby red state, but maybe it makes sense when you need power for your own power grid. Good for them!
It'll blow people's minds, but in progressive countries that don't have single monopolies (UK being one) you can choose your electricity supplier from a variety of companies that more fits your usage needs. You can do the same for internet as an example ie fu, Cox.
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It’s power. It’s a utility. There shouldn’t be several suppliers. It’s redundant and unnecessary. It should be regulated by the government and not a for profit business because everyone needs power. That would keep prices down regardless of what your needs are. Also we typically have one actual supplier of electricity. Then we have 100 different middlemen that buy electricity and sell it to us. It’s really stupid
this is not a brag for texas. it shows that texas is big and it shows just how much better the situation is in other states.
They're also physically big (as a state) and mostly desert.
Yea, in Quebec, all small electric companies were bought by the government and electricity generation and selling became a nationalized competence (in the 60s). A decade later, they built huge dams in the north of the province (actually middle, but its north of population centers - and kinda in the middle of nowhere), which were only beaten by China's even bigger dams in the 2000s. Quebec is self-sufficient, low price, all renewable.
Government owned vs deregulation is definitely a complicated topic. All I do know is the monopolies are not the answer!!
Quebecer here - 4.8¢/kWh (USD) from 100% renewable energy... Can't complain
As it should be by the sheer size of state and have their own grid.
this would be insane where i am, sometimes $200/mo of my energy bill is just my car
Its a bit misleading to say this, as Texas is also the largest energy producer overall and only 26% of that is renewables. It ranks 20th of all states in percentage of their portfolio
Makes up a little for the ridiculous EV tax that Texas has imposed on us.
Not exactly how deregulation worked in Texas. Essentially the power producers (of which there are few - its basically a monopoly in your region) got sick of dealing with residential customers. They just want to make the power and lazily take care of a failing grid. All the customer service crap - like paying bills - now goes to the deregulated market. Its just middle men. A company buys energy futures from the power producers and then bills you as a residential customer. If the power goes out (which it does often in Texas) then your complaint is with the power producers not your "power" company. Its a mess but you can get some cheap power. Interestingly if you go above or below your allotted usage it can get very expensive.
Damn how much do you pay for charging
Same
Its a complicated topic. For example: I hate the "monopoly" that Comcast has in my area. They're absolutely shit Customer service and crap speeds, and expensive. But without them, then folks in more remote areas just dont get any internet. Part of the contract they have with the government is that they HAVE to provide service for folks who basically are costing them more than they'd make in subscriptions. At least htat's how its supposed to be, in practice does this happen? No idea.
CT, Ford F150.
https://preview.redd.it/xa5r6ng3n32e1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41bd441a0ac04275020844724e8de92de210a3be about 17 cents at home. i do a lot of gig apps, plus a second tesla's charging that isn't pictured 😭
Wow! Wish we had something like this in PA
and the best thing about FPL's Evolution charger is that you can charge as many cars as you want.
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It'll be a cybertruck feature
Damn that is a lot of driving lol
Texas is ranked 20th in renewable percentage, which isn't horrible.
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So could you theory begin renting out your charger to anyone that needs to charge up?
So, here in Texas, you have options of who your electric provider is. Oncor supplies the power, but you have a "middle man" electric provider that actually bills you. They will have different rates, depending on the provider You can go to websites like this, to shop for different plans, based on where you are in Texas, and how much electricity you use: [powertochoose.org](https://www.powertochoose.org/)
This is limited to TX only....
Looking at their page... Anyone know how much Tesla charges per kwh?
Companies can buy wholesale prices from the main companies, eg the main single electric production company. They can then choose their own combination of tariffs, on/off peak, EV and solar rates, and the consumer can choose from around 20 providers that best suit their needs. All the financial and billing is with the intermediary company, not the producer. Internet is a very similar process.
I'm sure at some point they would noticed you're using way too many KW.
The state of Elon
Strongly disagree! Source: We have PG&E as only choice in northern california with ridiculous rate that is being increased 4 times every year. Paying around 6-8 times higher than the country average. They have govt in their pocket to keep increasing the rates whenever they want. Same thing on San Jose water too.
I can’t believe that went thru. Ridiculous
I recall there was a time when Texas electricity prices overnight were zero to negative because there was such a surplus of power available. I wonder if that's still true.
Energy sustainability is really only a political issue in the media. People in the business will use whatever generation methods provides the greatest ROI.
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I pay $30/month if I don't use free chargers. That's using superchargers
Uh I've lived all over the US and never even heard of a place you can't choose your own provider
Eh? Most areas have a very tight monopoly for actual high speed internet In many areas of southern California if you want decent speed internet (like over 100 meg), you literally have no choice apart from Cox. They have a monopoly on cable internet. Others have a monopoly on fiber. Most areas cannot get fiber. For context, as soon as fiber arrives in a neighborhood, all of a sudden Cox will add in promotions for half off for 2 years. Cellular internet like T-Mobile 5g is starting to change things, and Starlink also.
Hijacking top comment to ask. If you own a cybertruck and power wall, can you not unlimited charge your truck and discharge relatively continuously to power wall as “emergency” power and drastically reduce non-charging power consumption?
I get 400kWh/month between midnight and 6am free. And $0.05/kWh if I go over during that timeframe.
Insane deal! Need this in CA, even if its a bit more per month.
Only what you charge the car for between midnight and 6am. They monitor the charging of the car and give you that portion of the electricity free. And only if your entire house gets it's electricity from Tesla Electric.
They only give it to you free if you charge the car between midnight and 6am. Could you do all your charging in that 6 hour window? Call it ~42 kWh per night
oh... no lol. I do most of the driving overnight, ~8pm to 6am and then charge during the day :(
They know when you’re charging your car at home, and how much electricity the car is using to charge, so it’s not hard to do. They also know which car is charging, so you have to choose which vehicles you are paying for this unlimited night charging. If you charge a car that you are not paying the $5 fee on, they will not give you that electricity and you will pay for it. Here is my app where it shows what my home is using compared to my car. This last month I was not driving much at all, so it was pretty low that month. Typically my car is using around 15% of my total electricity usage. https://preview.redd.it/lymp07hwj62e1.png?width=1206&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce14f376fc3c500acc0cc1d44acab20f9adabd14
It depends which plan you choose. I am on the Fixed plan, which is what the $5/mo. deal is on. Here are my Fixed plan details from my app: https://preview.redd.it/t4xoeomai62e1.png?width=1206&format=png&auto=webp&s=52213232ec63f9af5629385f832a96891a5e48a1
Yes, that’s all true. The only thing I would add is that they also don’t charge you for the Oncor delivery charges for that electricity either. I was not expecting that since they get charged that regardless, so they are essentially paying that part.
The other great thing about this, at least in Texas, is that it consists of 100% green energy (all wind and solar). Not just what it’s using to charge the car, but all the electricity being used in the home as well.
Tesla Electricity is also 100% renewable energy. That’s a great /kWh rate you have there though! That’s about half of what I have.
Nope
Btw, this does not include the electricity delivery fee which is about 5.2 cents on top of this price. Also, if I go into it more it says $15 per month for some reason instead of $5
You're probably Belgian.
Same what I’m seeing. Email I received say $15, app say $5, when you click EFL in app it says $15
Some might even say better than average.
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Then you might be Belgian and not even know it.
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And some chocolate.
GIVE HIM THE WAFFLES
big brain here
Tesla might know but how does FPL know what is using electricity
Weren’t the citizens of the progressive country of UK freezing to death in the past 2 winters because they couldn’t afford electricity and heating
That's not directly related. The wholesale prices are still set by the electricity producers, and they (like lost countries) put prices up significantly. The UK government forced price increase caps to try and reduce the impact.
don't know how they get away with not including the delivery charges in the presented price like everyone else.
Their charger communicates back home to log what vin is charging
> To join, you need to live in an area of Texas that allows you to choose your electricity provider Yet another reason for me to hate co-ops.
At this point internet has become a necessity, which imo should all be government owned(or funded at the very least). We pay cities for our water, we should also pay them for our electricity and internet. And run it like a toll road, people are paying for the maintenance and building costs, not to put millions in a CEO’s pocket.
I see the same thing - so is it $15 or $5?
Ontario offers $0.03 per kWh overnight rate. Plans to turn on a few more reactors to increase the baseline by 20%.
The argument goes both ways in terms of utilities. We recently just had AT&T fiber run in the neighborhood. I've been literally stuck under Spectrums thumb for a decade because there was zero competition and zero options. I think most people can agree in the modern world internet/data is a necessity as well. Translation? Prices always went up, service always went down. So you arguing that it would "keep prices down" isn't some universal truth. I switch to ATT fiber, my upload speed increased 100X and my bill actually went DOWN. I also happen to be in TX and have the ability to choose my electric provider based on needs. It's nice. I work nights so all the free nights and weekends stuff? Doesn't benefit me in the slightest. So what might be some super awesome deal for you, winds up being a meh deal for me. The beauty of choice. You have the efficiency of one set of transmission lines, one set of authorized and regulated generation facilities, *and* the freedom to choose the best deal possible. From a more technical side - for something so critical and important to be called an absolute necessity. Redundancy is exactly what you want in a power system that's critical to survival. Imagine if your favorite cloud storage provider said "we only need to keep one copy of this critical guys data, we don't need options"
DFW TX here -- and in the 10+ years I've been in my house only lost power once during the crazy ice storm a few years ago. Granted different experiences all over the state based on how on top things local generation is. The above or below allotted is foreign to me - my entire life it's always been flat fixed rate cost for power plan. I know variable rate is a thing, but I can't imagine why anyone would willingly sign up for such a system. I've always just found a solid plan and sign up for a 36 month contract to lock in a price. I'm no futures energy market guy, but there's been years when I made out like a bandit with cheap power locked in at a very favorable rate. My current provider is about as direct as you can get - single set rate multiplied by your use + arbitrary amount per kwh to the people who maintain the grid. no base fees, no time of use, no tiers.
the internet thing *just* happened in my neighborhood. 10+ years under Spectrum garbage prices always went up for what was pretty crap service (10mbit upload? bleh) AT&T just rolled fiber in our area, I signed up first day, upload speed instantly 100X what I'm used to all for a cheaper locked in price. All of a sudden spectrum was sad and trying to get me to stay with some of the saddest excuses you can imagine. "oh we can send you free equipment" (no, I run my own yours is garbage and mine is rated far higher than yours) Funniest: homeboy on the line tried telling me "you know AT&T can only offer 500mbit, what if we could get you more" -- like dude there's a 5GB capable xpon drop right into my house from their node" He finally hit me with one of the "if you didn't like the price you should have called us sooner and worked with us" F.U. not my job to call and beg for a better rate after 10 years of you screwing me. Whole neighborhood is ditching Spectrum and it's glorious to watch :)
yeah, I'm pissed too, I had to renew registration on my 22 EUV (Bolt) so I got to see the bill that said "hey give us almost $300" I drive "a lot" but even their politician math makes no sense. Given the miles and current gasoline taxes a normal number would have been $100/year surcharge. Someone said "F em" and just doubled it because what politician doesn't love free money?
No, the argument doesn’t go both ways. I said it should be regulated by the government and not for profit. That isn’t currently the case for AT&T and Spectrum so obviously prices won’t be low for you. I agree internet is a necessity, it should be a utility and companies should not be profiting off of forced monopolies. You don’t have several providers to choose from in Texas. That was my point with my last paragraph. There is one electric provider for a given area. They sell electricity to middle men companies who turn around and sell it to you. You aren’t choosing a provider, you are choosing which middleman you want. So the deals or free nights or whatever offers are irrelevant because no matter what, a middle man is going to increase the costs. There is no redundancy in providers. DFW is served by Oncor, if something happens you can’t get electricity from anyone else to your house. All you did was support my point. It should be a utility, it should be regulated, and they shouldn’t be profiting off of it. That applies to electric and internet.
And you failed to understand the fact of my situation - my price was LOWER thanks to competition, my utility and function increased 100X thanks to 1 guy NOT running the entire show. My electric costs are lower because I choose what works for me. The funniest thing to me is you talk of efficiency and wanting the government to run it? The fact there are middlemen is irrelevant. It's a huge conglomeration of wind, gas, nuclear, solar, and you think the government running it will magically make it all better? Maybe you haven't been around long enough in this world to understand what happens to just about everything the government gets it's hands on. We *HAD* regulated energy -- it sucked. In case you haven't paid attention to how government generally and historically runs things... budgets, performance, satisfaction, corruption, all rear their ugly head. Forget all that though -- ask yourself this: when you go to work you expect to be paid correct? or are you a non profit type of guy? You exchange your time/energy/skills for money and profit off of said things so you can choose to buy what you want. The only way your arguments make sense if you actually believe that you, I, and everyone else shouldn't profit off our endeavors either. You are so happy to tell other people how to spend their money, but dollars to donuts you'd have a fit if I (or anyone) stepped in and told you how to spend your money. If there was 50 or 100 years of history showing that the US government could manage things properly and fairly, I might actually agree with you, but the real world and history say otherwise.
Meh. It comes out to the income the state gets for a little less than 500 gallons of gas. About half paid at the pump, with the other half coming from the feds. Maybe a light screwing for some, a little more for me, since I only drive 8000 miles a year. But not totally unreasonable.
Kw is fixed by the hardware kWh is based on usage
Not sure where you’re seeing that, it is $15-$25 per month in Houston, depending on whether you use fixed or the dynamic plan.
It's likely not worth it unless you have thier solar panels to cover the daytime costs. Free night plans exist from other providers too - the daytime pricing ensures they're profitable. Night time costs for power in some parts of Texas are often negative during mild weather with wind power oversupplying the demand.
I really gotta wonder what work the middleman is doing tho. I would rather pay oncor directly and cut out paying for southern federal's payroll and advertising budget.
Its like this guy wants to pay more for electricity? Middlemen always drive the cost up!
How much does it cost to get in this business
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