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Most likely this is just outside the US since Tesla is currently not using imported CATL packs here due to tariffs and credit eligibility.
2.5 more kWh is like an extra 17km at 140Wh/km.
Yeah that’s an incremental change most people won’t ever notice or care about
A lot of these changes matter at the margins when you are road tripping or don’t have a home charger.
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It's less than the amount of range I've lost in my two years of ownership (440km->410km).
The increased range isn't really the benefit here, but increased performance and charging speed and likely reduced cost make it the choice for Tesla.
Higher capacity not larger, may actually take up less physical space in the car, but is likely the exact same size.
Model 3 is the best choice among all the EVs (and among ICE) - these improvements just make it even better
Incremental change is how things happen. Expecting monumental shifts all the time will only leave you disappointed.
Especially since you can get one that’s a few years old for under $20k. Now once the cheaper one comes out next year, that’ll be unbeatable.
time is the most valuable thing. not the minor range increase.
Smartphones are a perfect example of this.
Totally. Continuing to improve incrementally while trying to bring the cost of cars down is perhaps the right strategy
Then wait for another year and have two changes. Last year there was a few percent efficiency increase from the Model 3 refresh.
Time doing what? Have a bigger battery means you drive longer without charging or charging range while at a low percent.
did you read the article?
Or for round trips in super hot/cold weather on super grippy tires where diverting to a supercharger could cost an extra hour.
How much has the older battery decayed in capacity on those, though?
Either that or they are planning on the credit going away and this is a way to reduce costs immediately
The model y with the blade battery charges faster than the model 3 smaln battery. It only takes 18 min from 10-80%. It keeps the 170 kW charging for longer so the average charge speed is 140 kW. Mayby it is the same battery model 3 is getting?
Quick question: should I go for a 2019 SR or a 2022 SR provided they have around 40k miles each? 2019 is about 5k cheaper where I’m at.
Back in April [CATL announced a 1000 km battery](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-supplier-reveals-battery-with-1000km-of-range-super-fast-charging) that can charge at 4C. If the Tesla CATL 6M battery is the same then a 62.5 kWh battery will charge at 4•62.5 = 250 kW.
And with a consumption of 140 Wh/km that result in a equivalent charge speed of 1785 km/h, or adding 300 km range in 10 min
Definitely a ‘22. While Teslas have great longevity you’re still better off with a longer warranty. 6 years vs 3. It’s why I’ll never buy an ‘18 M3, I don’t have $13k for a new HV battery if I happen to get unlucky.
I’m talking 2020-23, so very little as most I’ve seen have under 60k. Hell I saw one with 30k the other day.
So roughly 8 hours of sentry use.
LFP isn’t universally better. They lose more range in the cold, for example. They also have lower energy density, meaning more weight for the range. [Note that the previous LR Y and 3 is already using LFP. This pack is an upgrade.] They also operate at lower voltage, meaning these probably can’t be used in the performance models.
So you refer to the charge speed?
Mines over a year old and 26k miles. I’m at 3% degradation.
Yeah, but it's a welcome change during the winter or while towing. Especially when charging as the fast part of the charge will contain more range
if Elon keeps kissin Don’s behind… he’ll get the battery thing exempt
That’s not how the legal system works. The exemption must be valid or other companies will go to court
What cheaper one? I thought next year we're just getting the Model Y refresh. Where was a cheaper Model 3 announced?
Not unless you control the legal system, 4d chess
it’s sad… but the president has the supreme court behind him all his crimes have dropped already
The Supreme Court continues to be the head of an independent branch of government (judicial). Acting like all of a sudden “the president has the supreme court behind him” when there has always been a political leaning (one way or the other) doesn’t change things. Let’s not be melodramatic.
ok… i hope u r correct remind me in 1 year
It's been years since the LFP/RWD pack was updated, so I'm not surprised to hear that this is on the cards. I expected a bigger jump though based on how much LFP has improved in recent years.
I have a 2018 LR-RWD and my battery has had a bit of a slide the past year. When I charge to 80%, I'm at~ 216 miles, which works out to be ~270 miles for 100% I've only used a supercharger 3-5 times, and usually charge to 80% when I get down to ~30%
The battery should be warranted for 8 years/100k miles.
Yep. Or 120k miles for the LR. ‘18s only have 2 years left, or ~1 depending on build date. Personally, $5k isn’t worth losing 3 years of warranty. 6 is plenty, as I’d almost definitely have another car by the time it runs out.
LFP are not universally poorer either. CATL has versions that mitigate most of the compromises in density, cold and charging deficiencies.
Give the EU M3P a real battery already. I really want to swap but not for a slower car compared to US spec M3P
I agree that CATL's designs are very interesting and improve upon the issues. They're *still* inferior to NMC in the areas I highlight. Only customers can decide if the benefits outweight the costs.
This is a 4.1% increase
That would be awesome.
That’s not how it works. You stack the Supreme Court then make the letters mean whatever you want them to.
No melodrama. The conservative judges have all already kissed 4547's ring
Who is stacking what court ? Its already stacked with loyal servants
Have they confirmed a cheaper model? People here keep saying the model 2 was canceled and replaced by the robotaxi
To quote Elon directly during the recent earnings call: **“So, regarding the vehicle business, we are still on track to deliver our affordable models starting in the first half of 2025.”** Later on he was asked “The first one is, is Tesla still on track to deliver the more affordable model next year, as mentioned by Elon earlier? And how does it align with your AI and product road map?” And his and another guy’s answer was: >!“Sure. I mean, as Elon and Vaibhav both said, we are on plan to meet that in the first half of next year. Ambition has always been to lower the cost of our vehicles to increase the adoption of sustainable energy and transport. Part of that is lowering the cost of our current vehicles, which is where all of the personally owned vehicles that we sell today come in.”!< >!”But the next stage in that, really as it fits into AI road map, is when we bring in robotaxis, which lowers the initial cost of getting into an EV — and those — that’s really where we see the marriage of EV road map and the AI road map.”!< Elon: >!”Yeah. It will be like with incentive. Sub $30K, which is kind of a key threshold.”!<
Actually, that would be supersonic!
wow. my performance/long range pack only holds like 66kwh of charge.
Fingers crossed it’s physically smaller and lighter!
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