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Do not buy if HW3…it won’t handle future computer requirements. Also don’t buy FSD. I was a $10,000 fool to believe Musk in 2021.
Buy used HW4 with FSD. This is the way.
my hw3 model s on 12.5.4.1 does a pretty good job of driving for now although I'm sad it won't be as good as hw4 later on
Fsd is a joke. I’ve had it for a week and most of the time it won’t work because there’s dew on a camera.
He's hurting now 👎
Isn't it unusual to have those discounts so early in the quarter?
I think I am going to jump on this. Don't I also get an additional 1,000 credit for the loyalty thing of trading in a Tesla?
Gotta have a good 4th quarter but I'd wait until the end of December, the Jupiner refresh is likely to start shipping to NA around January
But if you don’t want FSD, then why do you care whether you have HW3 or HW4? Does HW4 have other benefits, besides FSD?
It'd be better for resale down the line.
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Does this stack with a military discount as well?
Holding on for December Deals :)
Oh they hurtin
Sales are in the toilet so discounts start early. Although some would like to believe sales are great and Tesla wants to make their cars cheaper for consumers and make less money...some don't live in delusion though.
Fsd didnt want to run the yellow and opted to stop in the middle of the intersection. Thats enough nonsense for me.
Reduced to $500 I am guessing
What deals are you expecting to see?
I bet we don't see Juniper in the US until Q2 2025 at the earliest. It's not even in production in China yet, right?
Tell me like I am 5 - what is HW4 and HW3? Hardware? Model version?
Needs cash to influence the election.
Perhaps Elon shouldn't have alienated a huge percentage of potential buyers by making his political identity front and center to the entire world. People will say it doesn't have an impact but they are lying.
HW4 is a superior suite of computer and camera hardware. It was released a year ago or so. I would not recommend buying a tesla without it if you like FSD.
4th quarter sales will be in the toilet. Tesla is hurting bad because of Elons antics.
M3 2019. Upgraded from 2.5 to 3. Paid $1000. FSD works perfectly for me. Can’t live without it now 
Musk's behaviour has ruined the Tesla brand.
Thank you internet friend. How do you confirm if your inventory choice is HW4?
Note that no 2023 Model 3's in the US have HW4.
Higher resolution cameras. Could potentially be relevant if you need to make out a license or something.
Yes. Turns out the general public doesn't like Elon's politics.
It hasn’t even been a year since the new Model 3 came out and it’s already getting promotional financing and inventory discounts. This is why you keep your mouth shut about personal opinions as a CEO of a mainstream company, I’m sure there are other automotive CEOs who are avid Conservatives but they keep that to themselves and do not polarize the image of the company.
It’s $4,400 max discount, we even let you sort the inventory listings based on size of discount
Yea nothing changed on website yet unless this applies for November
Well it’s garbage in October in Canada.
I considered not buying based on his behavior
It was fine when there was no competition but there are some great cars like the ioniq and the bmw i4 out there right now giving the 3/y a run for their money.
Model 3 is one of the best-selling sedans in the world and Model Y is literally the best-selling car of any kind in the world. They're doing fine lol. It's tough for them to grow sales further, but that's only because they're already extremely high. Insanely high given the price of these cars and the fact that they're electric.
I jumped on the 1.99 financing.
These are new cars. None of them have HW3.
It depends. My grandparents are looking at used M3s and couldn’t care less about FSD. Hell, one of ‘em doesn’t even like *dumb* cruise control.
Best way is to ask Tesla. Second best way, if the car is made in late 2023 (check the warranty. It’s 8 years from manufacturing for battery and four for general warranty). I used to remember the VIN range. Let me dig through my comments.
The website is still offering me a thousand.
I'm waiting to see what they have on December 31st. :)
You can tell from the VIN, google it
The rumor mill is that yesterday giga Shanghai just started trial production line of the juniper Y. So it will be several months for sure before they show up here in USA but...maybe not as early January but im hoping march...but very well could be q2 like you said
Inventory keeps going up. They make a big promotion. It goes down a bit, but they’re making cars faster than they can sell them even with the promotions. So inventory goes back up, so they make a bigger promotion. They basically are in a cycle of promotion followed by promotion to almost keep sales up with production. https://tesla-info.com/blog/inventory-stats-regional/Americas Model Y refresh will help a lot, for about 6 months or so, until the people waiting for the refresh get there new cars. Then back to where we are now. 2025 will probably be a good year, but lots of discounts on model 3, and discounts across the board after the initial MY refresh hype passes.
How do I get the VIN for a car I am seeing in Tesla inventory? Ask Tesla?
I figure that none of the CEOs of any major auto brands seem like particularly noble people (and I have no idea how they vote) so it wouldn't really sway my buying decision, but I know that when I suggested to my wife that she consider buying a Tesla for her next vehicle her response was: "Hell no - I'm not giving Elon Musk a dime." My wife is pretty chilled and centrist. If she's taking a stand on this then I can safely assume she isn't the only one out there who would feel embarrassed to drive a Muskmobile at this point.
It's not a particularly impressive claim to fame to be one of the best-selling sedans. That's a dying category. Ford doesn't even make sedans anymore.
I wonder, does this balance out by the other 50% of the country that are Republicans that might support him?
No because Republicans don't like EVs and are much less likely to buy them for a multitude of reasons.
Better processor and smoother screen. It’ll also translate over into better safety features as that all depends on the cameras.
No, because Republican media is anti-EV.
Spray a water repellent on the camera and that should help.
They are? But they’re pro Elon? Also are we pro EVs just not Elon’s EV?
I'm saying that among the cars it competes with, Model 3 is doing extremely well. And again, Model Y is literally the best-selling vehicle of any kind in the world. It's not just sedans Tesla is doing well in. It's all vehicles.
Majority of the major auto CEOs are not newsworthy or notable. Most people probably don’t even know who they are. Elon however has spent so much time in the public eye (for better or worse) that he has become a polarizing figure and that polarization will affect Tesla.
My neighbor legit won’t buy because of Elon it’s kind of wild why he has to be such a attention seeker sometimes
more discounts on inventory, supercharging miles, 0% apr with lower downpayment. I'm not really in a rush and might just even wait till Juniper.
The future is lame and has caveats
Did you hit the accelerator to make it continue through?
HW4 might not either
Why lie about something so easily disproved? Model Y isn't even top 3.
What’s truly unusual is that [Elon said no more discounts](https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/s/60hIBwk5tL) on inventory to streamline the complex sales process, I wonder what happened. That was just 6 months ago. Weird that something Elon said didn’t actually pan out.
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Yeah, there are a lot of people who have been turned off of the company because of Elon. I think the average person who isn’t as engaged online doesn’t care, but the size of dissenters is a concern. Honestly idk if my next car will be another Tesla because of Elon. I absolutely love my Y too.
It's literally \#1: https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/tesla-model-y-worlds-best-selling-car-2023
If you’re not in a rush, I’d personally wait for Juniper - the NVH improvements are worth sacrificing the stalks IMO. I wish I had waited to get my Model 3, I jumped on it with all of the big discounts last year and got a good price on it, but I’d gladly pay $4000 more to be in a refresh M3P.
Cries in the corner who took delivery with 5.6% APR, 2 days before they announced the 0.99% deal earlier this year
Those vehicles don't sell nearly as much as 3/Y. They're not doing much running at all lol.
Is that why the Tesla Model Y is literally the best-selling vehicle in the world? Seems like most people don't really care what the politics are of the CEO.
My car drives me around every day with minimal interventions and no maintenance (I don't spray my cameras or even clean them). I don't think it's lame, and it's only up from here.
I guess your weather is different
You mean they are like every other automaker before the pandemic? It’s typical behavior
Hardware 3 was discontinued with the old model 3
I guess. I live in the Midwest so we get rain, snow, and all that. Haven't really had any issues with weather for FSD.
Clean your front windshield
Concerning
What’s Juniper
Elon needs money to pay for votes
The Theranos of the automotive industry.
There’s a reason the majority of CEOs aren’t like that as it’s detrimental to the business. And no; I don’t want to the know the personalities of the Pepsi, Coke, Eoxxon, NVIDIA Apple CEOs. They aren’t my friends and they don’t give a crap about me or even know me.
This is the same deal I got last year in November that lasted until dec 31. Nothing to see here. I always tell people the best time to buy a Tesla is the end of the year before the new year.
As a left leaning european who thinks kamala is too conservative. I despise Elon’s political view. But Tesla has had its best third quarter ever. And a best year ever is still not impossible. That is in a time where alot of brands are struggeling with ev’s. This shows his views have little to no impact on sales so far
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I am buying one because of his politics so…
Not really. It means their sales numbers are bad and they are trying to get as much traction as they can as early as they can. The FSD and low interest weren’t moving units so they had to step it up. They are selling demo cars right now with inventory discounts on top. If you have wanted a Tesla and don’t care about highland right now is a great time to get one with 0% for 60 or .99 for 72.
A shitty buzzword for model y
It’s the wall pillars. It’s a dumb system if it requires to to wipe them off every morning.
lol Hearing republicans calling democrats communists is pretty wild.
CEO of a global company cannot be an ultra nationalist and conservative, beats the point.
Tesla showed no growth with the general EV market still growing. How do you explain that?
Refreshed Y. Just like Highland is refreshed 3.
I believe so.
I've seen no solid evidence that EV demand has grown in the last year or two. The volume growth recently has likely come from the large price drops, rather than demand growth. Other companies are currently taking massive losses to sell through all the EVs they're producing (which can't last forever), while Tesla has remained profitable.
youre right I meant to reply on a comment a out fsd but oops. And No im no bot. 💩
Yes and it also wanted to swing way out on the outside lane so it shut off when I corrected it. I think im done with that for now.
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Tesla's shrinking market share says otherwise
Good for buyers bad for investors
What do you mean? He is a left leaning European who thinks Kamala is TOO conservative, and he's saying Tesla has the best third quarter ever. His views is that Reddit Democrats have little to no impact on sales. His opinion should matter.
What do you mean? Tesla just hit record profits once again? Inventory discounts will only shoot sales up even more no? There has always been inventory and incentives since day one.
Congrats on being a miniscule minority of potential buyers.
If one car sells 1,000,000 per year and another goes from 50,000 to 60,000 per year, sure the market share of the first car is shrinking, but it's still absolutely destroying the second one. And keep in mind that market share gains can be had purely through price drops rather than demand growth. Tesla is the only one making EVs profitably. What the others are doing right now is unsustainable.
Wow. What version are you using? In my experience, the actual driving portion of FSD did not improve from when I tried it for the first time during the last trial (latest version at the time) but I couldn't imagine it doing ANYTHING like that. My only issue was that the actual speed management wasn't done naturally and I had to have my foot over the pedal but tbh, it was on a section that legally, you were supposed to slow down. Speed bumps suuuucked
Listened to a lot of Jensen interviews. I think you’d really like him and his approach/philosophy. Overall, you are very on point though.
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Im on whatever latest update is available. I have a 2023 model 3 performance. Its more fun to drive on my own anyway.
GMs equinox is applying some real pressure here
What? When? >Tesla’s profit margin decreased due to higher expenses. The company’s sales also dropped by 9.6% in the first half of 2024, while rival automakers saw a 33% increase in fully electric vehicle sales in the U.S. during the same period. Why lie
They don’t buy electric cars…
The title of your URL literally states 2023 while we’re waiting for q3 earning lmao
Oh please, dropped from what? 33% increase from what? 800% increase of 0 is still 0. Where did you even quote from? This is the same tactics showing home prices are "dropping" when it's literally dropped $5k after a 300% raise. Unlike you I have sources: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/revenue Please use real data. Tesla revenue for the quarter ending June 30, 2024 was $25.500B, a 2.3% increase year-over-year. Tesla revenue for the twelve months ending June 30, 2024 was $95.318B, a 1.37% increase year-over-year.
… their earnings statements? https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/23/tesla-tsla-earnings-q2-2024.html#:~:text=Rival%20automakers%20saw%20a%2033,political%20rally%20on%20July%2013. Also this is embarrassing from your own link >Tesla gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2024 was $16.890B, a 16.4% decline year-over-year. Tesla annual gross profit for 2023 was $17.66B, a 15.31% decline from 2022. Lmk if I have to explain gross profit vs rev…. You can still delete this
Wait do I have to explain to you real world meaning of gross profit vs gross vs revenue? Gross profit means you subtract the cost of batteries and metals, labor, factory overhead, costs for vehicle parts, logistics, and transportation. THAT went down. REVENUE was UP, that's how much you SELL. Where is that Reddit not buying Tesla anymore affect again? Are you saying that it hits gross PROFIT? LMAO what does gross profit have ANYTHING to do with how many people buying the cars, LOL
For every one person who swears they will NOt buy because Elon came out Based.... there are just as many conservatives flocking to buy something because he is. the real story is... it's the economy that is cratering. In any case, Tesla is obviously pursuing volume over absolute highest margins. We just put in an order for a new Model Y because of the discounts. I do not care one bit about political views, but rather what the vehicle does for us. Besides... name another EV which has the same ecosystem and support? We have multiple brands of EVs and Tesla is just a much better designed product.
1- The ev market is growing , but Tesla's market share of that is shrinking year over year, idk how are you spinning that as a positive for Tesla, maybe you're not familiar of what marker share means. 2- you mentioned that marker share can be gained through price drops and not through rising demand. I have no idea what that sentence means, demand is demand, wether it comes from price drops or whatever else, and Tesla is the biggest offender of bringing in demand through price cutting in the last years, they practically started a price war in the ev space. Also you mentioned profitability, Chinese and european automakers are selling millions of cars profitably, it's not only Tesla that's doing it. And even if they're not now, they're getting there through scale, just today general motors said they're inching closer to that. You said it's not sustainable, but you're wrong , this is how modern business is done, you lose money on the early stages, and then you become profitable later. You don't actually think that Tesla will be the only profitable ev maker forever , do you ?!
roflmao. cybertruck outsells all of those. Ioniq has massive drive issues, and bmw is well... bmw. Onee of our EV's is a Lightning and even that, despite being an awesome vehicle, is nowhere near Tesla.
spot on.
Tell it to this conservative who owns 3 EVs? lol. You know, conservatives are NOT against clean energy and clean air... we just don't believe it should be shoved down people's throats.
Thinking the same thing
This is grossly untrue though. Democrats are far more likely to buy an EV when compared to Republicans and it's not even close. Alienating your most likely buyers is not going to be made up by attracting a small number of Republicans who likely would have bought a Tesla anyway. Furthermore the economy is not slowing down by any measurable metric. EV growth is continuing - just not Tesla because of Elon.
Yes. That was BEFORE he completely climbed aboard the MAGA train. They can't sell them NOW. See that's how time works. Sad I had to explain that to you. BTW, I own two Teslas, so I'm not a Tesla hater, just an Elon hater. As of right now, if he stays CEO before I buy my next car, it won't be a Tesla.
Based grandparents
Big if true
I mean in 5 years I’ve had to clean a camera (outside of snow) 1 time
Not as good as the .99% for 60 months. But still a nice discount.
Just say you need an explanation gosh: • Revenue: This is the total amount of money generated from sales of goods or services before any expenses are deducted. It’s often referred to as the “top line” since it appears at the top of an income statement. • Gross profit: This is the money left after subtracting the cost of goods sold (COGS) from revenue. COGS includes direct costs like materials and labor that are required to produce the products or services sold. You clearly have no idea how any of this works if you’re weighting revenue over profits… no, again, no one does this outside of startups lmao…but do you boo-boo. Also yea, super embarrassing you can still delete this Edit: do you really think a companies profitability going down is a good thing? Lmao
Same here. I own 2 Teslas, soon to be 3. I believe in individual choice and the freedom to express it regardless of “correctness”. In this regard “popular” efforts to demonize Elon for taking his stands only made him more sympathetic in my eyes, even if I don’t share his opinions. I simply don’t take kindly to censorship by social bullying.
2023 is the most recent full year. And people were saying this BS throughout 2023 too.
Ford’s CEO is Chris Farley’s cousin. That’s noteworthy! He seems like a good dude.
People should grow up. There's plenty of CEOs that you likely disagree with
No, people said the same thing in 2023. He was very political last year too.
It happened the last 3 mornings in a row here in western Canada.
There doesn't seem to be that many of you. Most of the anti EV talking points I see are from the right, usually people who love ICE and want it to remain the default vehicle, and spread propaganda like EVs lose a 100+ miles of range from extreme heat/cold or that the batteries catch fire all the time.
\> I wonder what happened. Elon's personality kept getting bad enough people stopped buying as many cars in US and EU. In China there's tons of excellent competition and people are increasingly nationalistic and will buy domestic now that their quality is good. \> That was just 6 months ago. Twitter was a decent place 2 years ago.
So I had to look into this. 1) swing states, yes 2) singing a document stating you support the first and second amendment. 3) must be a registered voter Looks like anyone that is registered qualifies and you can vote either way. What’s the fraud?
Most likely because everyone is waiting for the refreshed coming out next year.
NVH?
When white or ultra red performance is discounted like this I will order lol
What are the chances the non stealth grey performances get some discounts soon? Ain’t no way someone is spending $8500-9500 on a color. Gonna have to give them away to let people get the tax credit at some point
Noise, vibration, and harshness
H is Harshness, but close enough
Lol I know, it was meant to be sarcastic
This is also in addition to Tesla's 0% financing promotion they just launched yesterday night in the US. All these discounts, promotions, and incentives can be stacked together.
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As a Tesla owner, I strongly agree with this...I liked the car vs the competition for the price...but I do NOT want my car to be some political statement or endorsement. I bought based on specs and prices of the car, and being fed up with dealerships I tried to buy other cars from...but I certainly don't blame people who are swayed away from the brand because of recent events.
I was naive and thought that 0% was also for leasing. ugh.
Yeah Tesla is pulling out the big guns this quarter. $7500 federal tax credit, up to $4000 inventory discounts on "2024" models, 0% financing promo (they also got 0.99%, 1.99%, etc for other terms), etc. They also have some other program discounts and I think I heard they're also throwing in 1 year free Premium Connectivity when buying an inventory car. So many stackable discounts, kinda crazy.
I've racked up over 5k miles with FSD on HW3. If they were to stop adding features tomorrow I'd be bummed but still stay subscribed. If they can smooth it out just a bit more before giving up on HW3 I'll be happy.
Microscopic pits in the surface grab water and it smears instead of beading off. Rain-x fills these pits and, especially at speed, the water flies right off. I don't have problems with the pillar cameras but I did with the windshield camera. Rain-x solved it.
I said Republican media. Republican media and party is largely beholden to oil industry. EVs are a threat to oil industry.
any of that applicable to leasing?
Yeah I think almost everything but unsure about the promotional rates and if financing rates have any effect on Tesla's leasing offer. But the $7500 federal tax credit, up to $4000 inventory discount, $1000 military discount, etc should all apply to leasing (obv for the inventory discount, you gotta find one with a discount). That being said, not entirely sure the exact calculation Tesla uses to factor all of that in but you'll see your monthly payment amount decrease when adding those types of discounts.
World shaking technology takes time and will go through a lot of revisions and not all of them will be smooth. Did you see the commercial for FSD showing all the traffic maneuvers it can execute? Keep in mind not a single competing manufacturer offers a car that can do even ONE of those. Also, Elon is sick and needs to go to rehab. Detox followed by abstinence with support and this crazy will go away.
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There's no concrete correlation to make that judgement lmao
They don't understand where the crazy is coming from. He's abusing a drug that erases the line between fact and fiction. He needs to go to rehab.
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Seems like lidar would have been more ideal for visibility issues
NBC asked in a poll about musk and 4% of Democrats had a favorable opinion of him. As Tesla gets tied to the maga movement it will become a toxic status symbol to half the country. It's already happening with the cybertruck.
Plus FSD transfers still right?
The only pressure is that it's an EV with good range. It still looks just like every other plastic shitbox GM has produced. The problem is these legacy US automakers have almost zero interest in pushing the envelope. They will add their version of a feature some company with ambition stuck their neck out for five years ago. Whether intentional or otherwise they have never been able to make a truly refined car.
Yes it should be and also I'm pretty sure Tesla just added Cybertruck to the list (transferring FSD to CT for free). But you should prob confirm that with a Tesla Advisor or Tesla website cause it's hard keeping up with Tesla's promotions.
Better than paying 66k with no tax credit and then seeing it drop to 54k and qualifies for a tax credit a little over a month later.
The thing is the car will depreciate more than $10k in the first year only!!! Then by the time the warranty expires the car is worth zero. I bought a model s in 2015 and have kept it. Worst financial decision I have made.
And very openly trying to buy the election by bragging about the hundreds of millions he’s donating to super PACS
It’s funny because if anything Teslas were associated with being a political statement for environmentalist liberals and many people (especially old conservatives) still view them as one. Musk is alienating the exact group of people that buy his cars.
Let that sink in.
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The tax credits are not applicable to everyone.
It is illegal to give out money on the condition that people are registered to vote.
That is atleast 1year difference, I missed it by 2 days
Let’s not tell them who the founder of Volkswagen is.
Best inventory tracker! Love you guys!!
Sales go pffft
I wonder if he would sell more cars if he laid off the fascism?
Tesla has a demand problem caused by Elon’s extreme and erratic politics. Maybe he should use his PAC money to buy cars from his own company too
Perhaps they are not selling as well as planned. Possibly, due to the fact that many potential EV buyers aren't interested in helping elon give large donations ( tax rebates with a multiplier for him ) to djt, a man, I think, most EV buyers despise. There are many good quality EV choices available today ( Ford F150 Lightning, Ford Mustang Mach-E, Cadillac Lyriq...) and they can use the Tesla Supercharger network. Elon would do well by going back to being the quirky genius many people admired and stay out of American politics.
He’s also exactly the same kind of narcissist that he’s now bootlicking
but you take kindly to the richest man on earth buying a social media platform to amplify his own (hateful) political agenda k
You're not taking into account that profit margins could suffer because there are fewer potential buyers. If a company makes 50 units of a product, they can generally charge a higher price if 100 people want to buy that product, compared to if only 60 people want to buy that product. Fewer dollars competing to buy product means lower sales prices and lower profits.
December to remember used to be a Lexus slogan I think
Used 2024s start at $32k and there are none available, so idk what this comment is supposed to mean.
So Ford is now the real life version of the movie Tommy Boy! Omg. That's fantastic.
I’m pretty sure Americans wouldn’t have purchased Volkswagens during WWII for the same reason they don’t want to purchase Teslas now. (I love my Tesla, but my next EV will probably be a non-Elon car).
Tell us more things that aren’t happening.
I'll buy one tomorrow if he would just shut his mouth. I don't have to align with every CEO of every business I support but his views and actions are hard to separate from the brand at this point.
Checks out
I jumped on it. Model Y here we go.
Good news, Teslas will be available in 20-30 thousand range
Ditto
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So all these robo taxis won’t work in the rain then? It’s dumb.
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She should absolutely sign up, and tell all her Harris-voting friends to do the same. Draining Elon's wallet = draining the swamp.
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So new model Y fresh coming?
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Only one of them owns one of the largest social media companies in the world and publishes his thoughts multiple times daily. It's better to be an asshole in private rather than demonstrate it to the world every single day.
It definitely had an impact for me. I used to want a Tesla 3 but not now. Too much political trolling and shenanigans.
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I disagree though. Being an asshole daily in my news feed is far more annoying than rich assholes that I don't have to think about. Furthermore Elon's politics are already starting to make some Tesla vehicles become associated with MAGA assholes - the cybertruck being the obvious one.
I some what regret getting my model 3 in Aug. Missed out on the 0% and heavy discounts
Pretty well established that he now is silencing and muting things he disagrees with. E.g. ”Cis gender”.
Tesla is willing to accept lower margins to achieve more deliveries. This is how they train FSD. The more cars and drivers feeding data into their learning models, the better it will get.
Same here. I currently drive a Model Y. It is fantastic. It and the Model 3 I had before are the best cars I have ever driven by a country mile. When the lease is up on the Y I will not get another, despite wanting one.
But Tesla has done a ton of price drops and incentives (0% financing for both 3 and Y, now the 4k discount, there is a 6k discount in Germany, FSD transfer, ...) as well and still are not selling any more cars than last year. Why does lowering the price work for others but not Tesla. And if there are more cars sold it is because there is now more demand, even if the demand is created by lower prices.
>the general public get a load of this regard >redditor for 16 years its amazing how you can always tell
That’s incorrect. It’s illegal to offer financial incentives *to* register. It’s not illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of registration status, including for lotteries. See 18 U.S. Code § 597. This has already been tested multiple times, including: 1. Pizza to the Polls: a non-profit that aimed to increase voter turnout by delivering free pizzas to people standing in long lines at polling stations across the U.S. While this initiative was intended to reduce the barriers to voting, especially during a pandemic, some questioned whether offering food at polling places could be considered an illegal incentive. However, this initiative was generally regarded as lawful because it did not condition food on voting for a particular candidate or even necessarily voting at all. 2. Motivote, a nonpartisan app, allowed users to earn rewards for completing tasks related to voting and registration, although care was taken to ensure no direct link to voting for particular candidates. The FEC typically requires that any promotion offering financial rewards related to voting must ensure that these offers don’t condition participation on political choices or voting behavior to avoid legal issues.
He is intentionally skirting about this grey area, presumably advised by his legal teams. The motive/purpose/whatever you want to call it is blatantly obvious though. But yeah if it's not by the book illegal, they need to update the book.
Agreed. I was just purely looking at it from a fraud/legality standpoint, and it all seems legal.
Obviously but the ones who are eligible who have a brain and value money aren’t spending that kind of money on a color
Yea no salary. Just 50000 trillion dollars worth of shares that he could sell whenever he wants to. Lmfao
It will go under 55k. Just be patient. My guess is mid-december.
Perhaps earnings miss this quarter and they need to move vehicles next quarter
funding secured.
They will this time next year. The general public won't really care too much about Juniper. The stalkless design will probably be not super popular either, and there's questions about the US tax credit eligibility. To maintain/grow sales Tesla will be offering incentives for sure. I'm using Model 3's Highland refresh as a guide. [US sales are](https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-model-3-sales-figures-usa-canada/) ***down ~40%*** as it didn't fully qualify for the tax credit. That's got to be alarming for Tesla.
Yep! Just pulled the trigger and purchased a 24 model y. The discounts and 0% apr was too good to pass up.
Imagine the car if it just had stalks :/
I’m hoping so.. not in a rush as the performance will be to add a third car to the family fleet when my daughter gets her license around March. Even in March if I’m not happy a 3rd car is not required(although my daughter would appreciate the freedom of having a car to drive to school lol)
I'm going to wait until they are free.
' if you think Tesla does make a superior product' perhaps not everyone thinks it is a superior product ... and there are also people who buy or don't buy on principle, regardless of price point
Stalks are better but after demoing a Model S for a weekend, I wasn’t too bothered by the buttons. It’s still dumb to use buttons, but what can you do.
I'm more worried about the gear stalk. I don't want to swipe on a screen to do a 3 point turn. I would most likely just stop using turn signals. I use them now because I built the muscle memory while I still cared about driving etiquette. Buttons on the wheel destroys said muscle memory and I would constantly forget. Plus, can you finger slap the button like you can the stalk, in a hurry? I heard they have aftermarket solutions. Kinda silly to pay aftermarket for turn signals and gear lever, but if it works flawlessly then it would work. PS: I swear for the amount of money they spent to put secondary gear buttons in the interior, they could've just put a stalk in..
I wouldn't worry about it too much about it cause this happens all the time for Tesla owners. **(mostly for Model Y)** People who bought in 2022 are prob upset and regret not waiting until 2023 to purchase (due to major price cuts, tax credit, all the programs, etc). Some people who bought early-2023 are upset they didn't wait longer cause Tesla did more price decreases throughout 2023 and then eventually things like inventory discounts, free paint/seat color promos, etc + also updated a few things in the car (adding HW4, matrix headlights). People who bought in 2023 or early 2024 are prob upset they didn't buy later in 2024 cause Tesla started doing low financing promotions, introduced different programs for some more discounts, etc (they also did completely get rid of inventory discounts). And then people who bought in mid-2024 up until end of Sept are a bit upset cause now Tesla is doing 0% financing, inventory discounts, etc which beats them just getting some low financing promo (0.99%, 1.99%, etc). And then sprinkled throughout all of that are also people who bought with whatever regular financing rate being offerred at the time so they are paying a lot in interest.
Yea good points. These small cost saving measures seem like they’re costing more in revenue for Tesla than it’s worth, but that’s Tesla for you
Were you?
Other people say cost saving, I say only kinda. They really want people comfortable in a car with no driver inputs, so I think removing a few stalks is a double whammy, cuts costs a tad and helps drivers get used to fewer inputs. Self driving cars isn't a "$10T business" if nobody is comfortable riding in it!
MAGA train all the way.
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Yea you are right. These things will happen all the time. I'm honestly fine with the financing I got. Just annoyed by these crazy pricing changes on a moments notice
Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. I know people in Colorado are living the good life with EVe cause that state has like up to $13k in state rebates (depends on eligibility) so some people there are getting brand new Teslas for $25k-$30k'ish range with both Tesla and state discounts/rebates. 😂
It was a joke, a couple million out of that tools pocket isn’t putting a dent in his fortune.
Im in your camp. I love my Y but if I was buying today, I would avoid tesla
I know Elon has said “input is error” but I don’t think getting rid of stalks does anything to make people more comfortable with autonomous cars. I also don’t think anyone is reaching level 5 in the next 8-10 years; I think we’ll see a bunch of car companies hit Level 3 certified around the country in the next 3-5yrs, and then it’ll be another 5 or more until true L5 is reached.
Tesla started from a similar underdog position…
That's f wild prices
2023
For people arguing it’s Elon’s politics driving people away I’d like to point to probably 99% of CEOs being terrible human beings, just not as public about it. I’m a socialist and I couldn’t care less about Elon’s politics. Tesla makes great products, period. And, overall has done a tremendous amount of good for securing a livable planet in the future. That fact can’t be overlooked imo.
I like to think of it as “if I didn’t buy anything from any company that has bad politics, I’d be naked, homeless, and hungry”
Literally correct. I want to dump my Taycan and buy a Performance 3, but I cannot give money to Tesla while it goes into Elon’s pocket. As soon as they cut him loose I’m buying.
Tesla Model Y Juniper release soon?
Yep, six months for the Highland to get an interest rate promo. When the Y went to 0.99%, people were claiming the Highland wouldn't see any of that because it was so new and selling so well, and the very next month, it was 1.99% (for 36 months that first time). Every quarter since the deals get better.
The ones near me with discounts are 2024 models. No real difference, but it's a point of note. See a bunch of model 3 AWDs with 4k discounts.
Not always. December 2022 was the worst time. By January 2023 they tanked the price to be eligible for the ev credits
I stood in line overnight to reserve my Model 3. I sang it's praises to anyone who would listen. I still drive it. I'd long thought I'd trade it in for a Model Y when the time was right. I can't wait to get a Rivian R2/R3 and never look back.
Saying buying a tesla car is a political statement is like saying buying a sandwich from chick fil a is a statement lmao do you know how dumb you guys sound I can dislike elon and buy a model 3, it's possible to do both lmao
Oh my god LMAO profit is up one day late https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/s/ii24NF4xSS
Personally I don't care about whether he is CEO or not, as that is just a figurehead. More important is the wealth that he gets from the car, that enables him to fund some of his political activity.
He owns stock, which incrementally rises on each car sold (as long as they make profit).
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Why downgrade from a quality product?
Not sure about confirming remotely. But here’s a tip for in-person. The lens of the repeater cameras will have a red tint to it. This is due to an anti-glare coating.
Absolutely love my Teslas. I have owned 3 of them. I had a 3 which I sold for an x and my wife has a 3. I won’t be spending a dime more on another Tesla.
Trust me it’s not that quality.
I'm talking about higher relative than what it would have been. So it would have been down lower if they had sold less cars.
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My wife was planning on replacing her vehicle with a Plaid Model X. She’s so over Elon and MAGA that she refuses to buy it. I wanted to give Tesla our money. Now it’s never going to happen unless Elon is let go by the board.
Elon’s political statement or not, if I like Tesla’s product and can afford it, I buy it. I muted him on X, as I don’t care about his political opinions. I even muted him long before he went into politics. 🤣🤣🤣 That’s not going to make me not support Tesla. That company has turned the world around for the better. My emotions can’t get in the way of that.
When you own the vast majority of a new market, it's nearly impossible to maintain the ratio of market dominance. I've driven other brand EV's and nothing is yet close as an every day driver. And most still feel like ICE car's with an electric motor bolted on. Why do I have to have FOB and press a 'start' button to turn it on. Do you have to turn on your iPhone every time you want to use it? Why when you pop the hood on a Kia/Hyundai, could you swear it looks like an ICE engine with no frunk (and thus lots of equipment to come rushing into your chest in the case of a bad head on collision? Why do they have dozens of buttons to do almost the same thing 3 slightly different ways (ie, volume up and down or next song?) Giant knob to change from 'regular to sport' that you use once every few months? I could go on and on with the competition.
That's changing rapidly. I'm Conservative and have 4 Tesla's in my family. 2 bought before Elon made his politics clear. At least someone has the courage of his convictions whether you agree with them or not. Most CEO's are millionaires and billionaires who would never be caught dead flying 'commercial' next to the 'common man' while saying all the politically correct stuff that they think will make them 'acceptable' to the media and 'investor relations' departments. Not many of them were middle class immigrants that started with nothing and built an empire.
Tesla should consider improving their quality rather than continue to discount massively. People don't want to pay 35k, after tax credit, for something that has the build quality of a 2004 Kia sedona
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You're just knit-picking design choices at this point, at the end of the day Tesla is losing market share despite all the things you mentioned as flaws in the competition. Tesla sales are slowing down in the 2 million cars a year, a far cry from the 20 million they projected. Meanwhile completion in china is cut throat, and Europe will protect its automotive industry at all costs.
I won't pretend they will get to 20 million a year, but they are the only company in the world that actually makes money on EV's. Even most of the China companies, with massive investment from the CCP still are breakeven to loss on pure EV's. Realistically Lucid & Rivian are the 'walking dead' financially. There is no way they can survive as standalone companies based on simple economics. I would rather have 50% of a much larger market, than 90% of a small market. Plus, as other companies sell EV's (at a loss) Tesla will make money sell them supercharger access as on the road charging still stinks nationwide for non-Tesla owners. It's going to take a long time for somebody to emerge to change that in the foreseeable future. I'm trying not to be a 'fan boy', I'm just looking at the economics. In addition, When you look at where FSD has come in just 12 to 18 months, shows you that in another 12 to 18 months (which is no time in the timeline of car development), they will be lightyears ahead of any competitors. The only companies that come even remotely close are Chinese and they will never be allowed to sell here competitively (not saying that's right or wrong, just a fact, no matter who wins the election) Europe will not kneecap Tesla as they make too much money selling luxury models to US buyers. The margins BMW & Mercedes makes in the US is massive compared to the much cheaper versions they sell to Europe with their crazy high gas taxes forcing the majority in compact cars.
It's clearing inventory for the new year. 2024 models need to go so 2025 and juniper can be there. Wait until next month and December bigger discounts for sure
there are very few people who buy on principle without respect to the price point.
Lol who the hell abbreviates noise, vibration, and harness? Is NVH a regular industry term or just something this subreddit made up?
No way juniper is available in January. The test models barely came off the line for China. Chinese inventory no longer comes to US since it doesn't qualify for tax credit. I think NA juniper is Q3/Q4 2025 based on how model 3 rollout went
Even if you buy HW4, there is a very high chance full self driving will not be possible until HW5....then HW6.... then more cameras. Elon is going to realize FSD with cameras-only is not possible. So do not bother paying upfront for it or even caring about what hardware you get. Get the subscription and just enjoy the supervised version that will likely exist for the next 5+ years
I was the same way. I purchased a 22 mustang gt last year to save on maintenance costs from German cars. However with my high car payment and gas it wasn’t worth it. A friend of mine persuaded me into buying a Tesla and with the 1.99 apr n low cost for charging it was a no brainer. All ceos are probably dicks so you just have to pick your poison and I’m going to use Elon to benefit my situation.
And it would have been down more if there were less cars sold...
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Anybody who decides to or not to purchase a product or service just based on what someone who works there believes on their political views is part of what's wrong with this country
Anybody who doesn't buy a product just because of the political views of the company's CEO, a big part of what's wrong with this country. I guarantee if you based all of your decisions on that you wouldn't be buying hardly any of your products that you currently consume lol
> higher relative than what it would have been The above means it can still drop in that situation. It just means it would have been a lower price equivalently in all situations.
Two words that’ll trigger all Tesla supporters: Accelerator Pedal 😱😰🥵😤🤯
What is triggering about it?
There are much more than you imagine
The EDS is as strong as the TDS and it’s hilarious
Twitter stopped being a decent place many years ago. The number of people insulting each other on that platform is mental.
Osbourne effect for Model Y Juniper
How's that third party charge network working out for ya?
Fortunately don’t use it much. Fast when it works though.
Are you saying Elon Musk was a middle class immigrant that started with nothing?
But it's ok for Democrat PAC's (many funded by Bezos), to spend hundreds of millions on 'get out the vote' but only targeting locations and demographics that favor Democrats. I get it now.
Wrong. You are only talking about “buy put” options. There are 3 other types.
I can't find that setting. tesla.com/inventory right?
Depreciation in the first year - yes. But worthless when the warranty expires? Uh, no. My 4.5 year old Model 3 w/ 51K miles gave me a trade in of $19,500
Try https://tesla-info.com/for-sale.php and then pick sort -> discount. We developed this and it’s got more features than Tesla provide
ill buy it from you
The discounts have largely dried up. In fact today (last day of 0 APR financing) there is actually a mark up. Vehicles which were showing - 1000 are showing +2000 or even more in some cases. Are people crazy ?
The GOP buyers might be a good trade off for Elon.
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