Tesla delays Cybertruck’s range extender, reduces its range

Can’t wait for the software locked version!

Lol

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Something smells fishy here

From the article: Tesla now says that the range extender should result in “445+ miles” rather than “470+ miles” for the dual motor – a ~25-mile reduction in range. Interestingly, the range extender’s impact on the tri-motor Cybertruck’s range hasn’t changed on the standard wheels and tires, but it is down to “415+ miles” with the all-terrain wheels. Furthermore, Tesla has also pushed the beginning of production from “early 2025” to “mid 2025”. Tesla started Cybertruck production in late 2023, which means that it will deliver the Cybertruck’s range extender more than a year and a half after delivering its first Cybertrucks to customers. Oh, and also, it is expected to cost $16,000, according to Tesla.

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Someone should just put powerwalls back there

Just EPA fuckery most likely. They dropped the EPA range on the AWD but in testing it’s the same ~340 miles.

This was changed a few weeks back when non-FS was first released. It coincided with the reduction in AWD range with Core + AT wheels/tires. Maybe people just didn't notice the RE specs changed too? As others mentioned, there doesn't seem to be any indication that anything has physically changed with the truck or the battery. Likely they had their EPA estimates for Core wheels way wrong (not as much of a benefit as originally expected), and this impacts both the base range and the RE.

There's nothing good in the article? It's literally bad news, albeit not majorly bad but nothing in regards to the range extender improved or got better

If this is extending the range of the CT by like 30-40%, and we're saying the CT has 100kwh pack, then the range extender is a 30-40kwh pack. Which is way bigger than the powerwall.

Like it’s 25… the collective orgasm you all heard from /r/electricvehicles made it sound like it now only GIVES you 25 miles extra range total.

16k on top of the ludicrous price for the truck?? Sheesh...

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**Roughly** this is half the price of a powerwall per kWh. If we say a powerwall is what $13,000 installed for 13.5 kWh ? Then yeah. If we guess the range extender is 35.5 kWh that’s $457. It’s a bargain when you have the set up to do PowerShare.

If Tesla makes more profit by selling vehicles and other products than extenders, they'll do that as long as they can. Disappointing for anyone waiting on products, but this has been how Tesla operates since basically the beginning.

They seriously need to release an actual 500 mile cybertruck with a larger pack. It’s a bad look to have this half-assed $16,000 bandaid that still can’t hit the original 500 mile range.

They won’t because they can’t. The original specs were a lie, and it’s the same reason you haven’t seen the roadster yet. I guarantee that when (any day now…) you do, it won’t go 600 miles.

Expect to see a bunch of these stuck onto the used cybertrucks tesla sells in the next couple of years just like how every used model 3 was getting acceleration boost included.

You think adding in 16k battery is the same as a software unlock? I’m not following the logic.

Over promising and under delivering is bad news.

I'm considering buying solar and just using the truck as the powerwall

Who would want that? Look at the amount of bed space it takes up.

Teardown photos show the pack is only half full of cells, and a lead Cybertruck engineer commented as much. I'm quite sure they can, but decided not to because cell production is limited.

not much at all from what I can see

If you use the truck for towing mostly then it makes sense

Okay

Tesla scamming people again. Surprisepikachu.bmp

The pack is not only half full, that was just speculation from some YouTubers or something. The plenum in the pack is important for gases to escape if a cell goes bad and it also provides a sort of crumple zone to further protect the cells.

If you’re using a truck for mostly towing, and you need to invest in special, expensive equipment to do it, the CT is not the option to choose. 200 miles at best with the extender on a full charge is nuts.

At this point they might as well use up the entire bed. The storage space that you net is sad, let alone without the pack.. this truck already needs a redesign with a shorter cab.

Its an interesting time when GM is delivering fall more battery capacity at the same price points. No one took them seriously but it looks like they came to play. [GM Sierra](https://www.caranddriver.com/gmc/sierra-ev)

Any Cybertruck owners to share what range they are getting in real world driving? With load and without load?

Also thermal capacity....more cells means more thermal management and Tesla already struggles with that across their lineup.

Not for an EV, and CyberTruck has many features you can’t find in other EVs so it’s a great option if that’s what you want. When you’re spending that much money already, people are ok spending more for value.

Well over half of the vertical space is consumed, and all of the horizontal space. They couldn't fit a second row of batteries inside the pack. That space is there by design.

It’s in the forward half of the bed for safety.

It’s just a matter of time before they fully cancel the cybertruck range extender like they did with the model S Plaid+ (500mi range). It’ll be the same excuse that “no one needs” that range due to the charging network and/or there weren’t enough orders. In reality it’s just too expensive of an add-on for what was originally promised in 2019 and difficult to install and engineer.

GMs vehicles have some of the worse efficiency out there, and bad efficiency + long range = huge battery pack, and huge battery packs = massive costs (especially when you don't make your batteries in house like tesla). GM is hemorrhaging money on every ev they sell, and the Sierra will serve to increase those losses.

Interesting. Got sources on Tesla struggling with thermal management?

Almost nobody needs the range that everybody thinks everybody needs. Tesla has more relevant data on all of this than anyone, so at a certain point you have to understand that if you are disagreeing with Tesla, you are either flat wrong or are in the ignorable minority.

You think people are actually using this as a truck?

Ridiculous thing to say. People tow with trucks and when on long road trips don’t want to stop every 3-4 hours. I have 170k miles on my Tesla and still wish it had actual 400 mile range at 80 mph.

Who actually needs this thing? Get a Silverado if you need towing range, otherwise cybertruck range is perfectly acceptable without this stupid overpriced thing.

I really wish electicvehicles wasn't so anti-Tesla. Tesla certainly isn't perfect but there's a reason they're the #1 selling EVs..

I wish I was young enough I didn't need to stop every 3-4 hours even just to stretch

But customers think they need that range, and they’re the ones deciding which truck to buy. If someone else will sell them that range, they might consider purchasing from them instead of Tesla. And when towing it absolutely does matter. 300 miles of range with a trailer is more like 150mi, and sticking to 10-80% makes that 105 miles.

This will only work during outages. They haven’t allowed PowerShare to work outside of an outage.

Yeah i love mine, im not blind to the shortcomings, but I’d buy it again in a heartbeat.

“Acktchually the consoomer is wrong in what they want. Tesla is big smart so if this is what they came up with then obviously it’s actually the smart thing to do cuz they’re smart, got it idiot?” Like don’t even mention the fact that this isn’t “what consumers wanted”. It’s literally what they advertised and just like every other product they ship they just out right lie, exaggerate and then pull back with zero explanation.

Maybe not the ones who paid $100k+ but there will be many people buying a cyber truck to use as a truck, eventually. I’d use it to haul my tools for my dent business if it was sold near the price that I was told it would be.

Doubtful because the range extender takes up most of the storage space in the rear of the truck.

Hate on Tesla for charging so much, delaying, and not including a larger battery in the first place absolutely. But this range change is likely due to EPA rating standards becoming harder for 2025.

It's fucking irritating how Tesla advertises their ambitious target specs as facts.

What’s the point of having a truck if half the bed is taken over by part of the truck, turning the bed into a trunk? So weird.

I can’t imagine buying this vehicle to tow. I love EVs but towing is just not where EVs shine.

Honestly, who cares what that rag says.

It's classic Elon. Overpromise and then see if the engineers can make it happen. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

They said the top spec would get 500 miles of range. The actual truck being a little short of that would have been acceptable, but it's significantly short even with the extender.

I wouldn’t say that it was a lie but more that they were probably a bit ambitious back in 2019 about where cell density would be at release.

Are you towing an 11,000lb Hummer uphill, in the snow? Because with off-road tires in those conditions, it gets 100 miles. Core wheels, a more realistic load, and 445+ miles using the new test cycle, you're going well over 200 miles with most towing scenarios. I just got a non-FS, it has the same size battery as FS. "Less range" because they're using a less optimistic efficiency this year. I'm seeing 340-380 miles of range, with my driving being mostly at 65+ MPH. I assume it's the same thing for the range extender, no change besides test cycle.

I picked mine up Saturday (trimotor with core wheels) and had a 325 mile trip on Monday. I planned on stopping where I normally do to charge which is about halfway but was surprised that I could’ve made it just about to my destination without stopping. I stopped to charge because I didn’t want to show up below 10% but I really believe I could have made it.

Depends on the use case, some people with campers don't need to travel that far in the first place. This guy saves money with it. [https://x.com/DeBergo/status/1823445592183324908](https://x.com/DeBergo/status/1823445592183324908)

79k? That's the same price as a Model X. Not exactly "ludicrous", IMO. Edit: Why am I being downvoted for posting factual information? Here's a screenshot from the website right now, you can go buy one for 80k. [https://imgur.com/8Fu4gXz](https://imgur.com/8Fu4gXz) Aright, Reddit's cooked. This is just a pitchforks club these days. Have fun with that.

That's all I need it for. I live in a hurricane prone area

Shocked… said no one

Lots of 65 dollars between the prices of these trucks.

I’m sorry, $79k? Cyber trucks have been selling for the last year at $100k to $120k and only just recently went to the still ridiculous $80k. I can’t wait for these trucks to tank in value so I can buy one for $30k… or hell, $40k like the original truck was supposed to be.

They produce batteries and when no one buys them they get assembled on their used trucks to jack the price up while avoiding sitting products

That's not remotely the same thing lmao

Brother they are using the same cells, the demand is so low they don't mass produce them

Source champ?

The thing that *really* bothers me is they accept money after making false claims. Hype is hype. "Reservations" are fraud. Especially for the roadster.

They can drag this on, but in the end the only way CT will take off is if the fill out the battery. I am ok paying 80k for a truck, but it needs 500 miles without any extenders.

They didn’t pay shit. Anybody can slap a huge battery on it n make it to long. Find out what if the cyber truck or any Tesla range would be if it has that same kilowatt

The guy doing the Alaska trip was getting like 400-600WH per mile. He has 100 pound wheels and a cage on though so super edge case

3rd bestselling ev in the country last month. Outsold all other ev trucks combined. Acktchully seems like consumers are overwhelmingly choosing the cybertruck.

Well obviously a ton of these genius consumers are choosing to buy they cybertruck, which is why it's outselling all other ev trucks combined.

It’s nice to see Tesla sandbagging, instead of over promising.

To put in enough batteries for 500 miles means your tires will get chewed up N times faster from constantly carrying the extra weight. Considering no one drives 500 miles, or even 200 miles without a bathroom break, I’m sure engineers weighed the pros and cons and ended where they ended. Anything IS possible, but 500 is just an arbitrary number. Yes, it sounds nice, but it doesn’t mean it’s the right number all things considered.

That’s that whole subreddit over there. But if any other company did that it would be ok. Tesla bad! Oh but let me use the supercharger network yeah??

Was it difficult moving that goal post? Paying more upfront for an EV to get long term fuel savings is not a new concept.

And what happens when you tow? In the winter?

Inflation has driven everything sky high.

“No I will not be responding to what you said”

I’m getting 300, sometimes 300+ I only haul locally and haven’t noticed range impact at al. Short distance hauling is 90% of the use cases of any truck, so data is limited

The CT is under 80,000. When I go on GM’s website the only Sierra I can build is 93,000 without any add ons and there 0 in inventory. How do I get the one with the same price point?

lol the original prices were never going to be met. Is inflation also to blame for the huge reduction in specs?

Interesting. Is inflation the reason why the other Tesla cars have dropped in price? Sure, inflation has increased goods, but it hasn’t doubled them. There’s no excuse for them to sell the truck with all that extra bullshit that no one wants for $100k. Why even have a reservation list? I’ll never buy a Tesla again and I especially won’t buy the cybertruck. They got me good with this one.

As a reminder - Tesla "reduced the range" of non-foundation series Cybertruck because the test cycle changed this year. Same wheels, tires, batteries, 15 miles less range for core wheels for instance. I'm getting FAR over rated range on my non-FS. This pack is using that new test cycle, so, no range change. They're just being more pessimistic so they don't over promise.

You seem to ascribe to me some goalpost from some other sport. No idea what you're talking about. But...if you think there is a rational economic basis for a cybertruck as your towing vehicle in industry then....well....hmmph. I've got a cybertruck, but i don't feel the need to kid myself about the economics of it. I have 2x awesome EV tractors and 8 EV UTVs that makes economic sense. My EV daily driver make economic sense. My cybertruck? Nope.

The truck bed is going to be filled with a dumbass battery. Nice design choice.

GM is subsidizing them w/ government bailout money. Not a bad strategy I guess but a tremendous waste of resources

Inflation isn't the reason at all. The Foundation Series (which was the only trim being sold, and was a limited run) cost $20k more. The prices are $62k, $79k, and $99k, but only the $79k and $99k variants are for sale right this second. The cheapest one will come later. People who were paying $100k+ for a Cybertruck were paying $20k more for the exact same truck as what's selling now for $79k.

This has nothing to do with inflation and everything to do with the fact that Tesla was only selling a $20k marked up special edition called "Founders Series" until somewhat recently. The regular price for all wheel drive is only $79k, which (again) is the same as a Model X.

You talking about the range being less? They also added 4 wheel steering and steer by wire, which wasn't part of the original announcement. Not exactly a "huge reduction in specs" IMO, just a miss on the range. 0-60 is still great, towing 11000lbs is still impressive, it's still durable as hell. I don't get the hate, honestly.

but so many people say its not a lie, just "ambitious". However any other company isn't "ambitious", but lies instead... funny how it works that way...

So because you personally may tow in the winter one time every few years, the vehicle should be more costly in price and maintenance for everyone else all the time? Again, engineers of every product (even outside of Tesla) weigh the pros and cons of all possible features and design for the most general use. If you’re the outlier that needs to tow often, they already have a solution for you with the extended range battery pack. If you’re just sitting behind a keyboard nitpicking at stuff because you can never be happy, find a new hobby or go design something yourself that makes others happy.

Why can’t you admit that the product Tesla delivered is vastly inferior to the product that Tesla announced?

It’s a pointless goal. That’s like trying to make sure politicians deliver on every promise they made during the campaign trail except you’re stuck with them if they don’t. With this, you can at least vote with your dollars and not buy if you don’t like it. It may do you good to learn product design and how backlogs and prioritization works. No companies design for the 0.001% outlier scenarios. Everyone tackles the most valuable and most impactful things and go down the list from there. More often than not, even the top two things will take multiple years to complete. Things pivot as needed, but unless 60% of Cybertruck owners are only towing rockets in the dead of winter and not using it for any other purpose, I wouldn’t expect them to design towards that usage scenario.

They can't fit a second row of 4680 or 2170s. But they can fit 2 rows of 18650s and its not like S/X's are selling like hotcakes so plenty of 18650's to go around.

I'm typically seeing reports between 340-420 Wh/mi without a load depending on driving style of dual vs tri motor, AT vs AS tires. 320 wh/mi was the lowest I've heard consistently for a FS AWD AS vehicle (123 kW / 320 = 384 miles). 380 Wh/mi is the most typical for FS AWD / AT tires so (123 kWh / 380 = 323 miles). With a 10 to 11,000 load, its typically 100 to 130 miles towing.

You’re right, the specs are great, but they aren’t great at what people needs the most, and that’s 500 mile range. They claimed that the $70k variant cybertruck would have 500 miles of range. Then when you’re towing “11,000 pounds,” you might actually get to where you’re going. Towing with the cybertruck is useless because the range is 1/3 or less of the normal every day range

Towers might need 500 miles range, but normal people don't and normal people outnumber towers by like 99:1. It's not even close.

They are absolutely not gonna. Tank that badly. 40K on the used market sure. Tesla will probably sell cybertruck rwd for 50K in 2 years or so is my guess

I really hope you’re right. I’ll buy one for that price

Agree with you.

This is untrue. It’s now possible to get this for 66k.

With 500 miles like they originally promised? No. Didn’t think so.

No I’m talking about the base dual motor truck.