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That's 3 decibels quieter than the previous 2019 Model 3 they tested. According to [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1g3oyvx/2024_tesla_model_3_is_vastly_quieter_with_far/lryh4bv/), it's more like 1-1.5 decibels quieter than the immediately preceding Model 3, which in my book is still excellent, and probably noticeable in my opinion.
just get thicker floor mats
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I can't wait for model 3 gen 2. Current styling is already dated compared to other manufacturers.
I own a 2019, and although the noise isn’t terrible I wouldn’t mind if it was quieter …
I just sold my 2021 SR+ for the 2024 LR RWD and it’s a much more refined driving experience.
So a 3.2? Pls no, I already have nightmares about USB naming standards
>That’s three better than the last Model 3 we tested, our long-term 2019 Dual Motor Long Range Why do these car media "experts" always compare against a 5 year old model instead of the outgoing model? You're a car reviewing platform, you should be able to access the previous outgoing 2023 model to compare vs the 2024 model. That's like comparing the newest iPhone 16 vs an iPhone 11, and praising how much more improved it is. It's lazy and these outlets need to do better.
iirc 3db is double / half of the power of the sound, while 10db is needed to think “this is twice as loud / half as quiet”
I don’t think it’s entirely unreasonable to (at the very least) include it, because people do not buy cars on a yearly upgrade cycle or anywhere close to that. But people coming off a lease will have the model from 3-4 years ago, and current owners considering getting a new Tesla likely are in that same time frame bracket For me personally it’s much more relevant to know how it compares to a 2020 model than a 2023 model
Given the time frame for the model s and x body style refreshes….. don’t hold your breath
My guess (and I fully admit this is a guess) is that they don’t conduct full reviews of cars for each model year, especially when there hasn’t been a significant refresh.
Doesn’t work. Lots of the sound is from the wheel and tyres being transmitted to the frame via the suspension. External noises pass through the single lane glass on the passenger doors.
Would be cool to see them do some active noise cancellation through speakers though I don’t think they have the necessary hardware for it.
The latest iteration before this had double panes on front passenger, what about rear? Anyone know?
I still have my 2018 LR and there’s not much trade in value so I’ll just drive it til it kicks the bucket
People don’t buy their cars annually + car generations are not annual
It's called laminated glass, like the windshield. It's not double pane like your home. The rear windows were not laminated on the older cars.
Nice; how much did you get for your SR+? I’m in a similar situation so thanks for any response!
yes, the rear has the acoustic windows too
$23k. I had 21k miles, white interior, white exterior, 19” wheels.
2018 here, and it's by far the quietest car I've ever been in, but there are still sounds. Agree, less could be nice.
I traded in my 2018 with 105k miles when I bought a 24 Model 3. Got 14500 for it. Pretty good I say.
Went from 2018 3 to a 24 highland. Big difference in road noise.
Same boat, it’ll be that old car in Grandpas barn one day.
I want the stalks back. Deal breaker for me so I'll stick with my M3P 2018.
I have a paid off 21 SR+ and I’ll be driving it for a while longer. Would love the updated model but I love having no payments more
2022+ Model S/X have that.
This *is* the Gen 2.
It's pretty easy to retrofit in if that's the only thing preventing you from upgrading. You shouldn't have to do it, but it's an option.
Everyone is itching for the $25k Tesla, I’m like just buy a used low mileage M3.
It's really not that serious. Got over it in a week.
Yup. Saw [this](https://i.imgur.com/8VwbS8i.jpeg) in the inventory the other day. I mean, can you think of ANY car that gets you more bang for the buck? And, no, it's not a previously repaired one.
Only one, lowballing a private seller for the same car lol
I don't think I would buy a used Tesla from a private seller.
Genuinely curious, what would be the main difference?
I went from the 20 to the 24 it's absolutely noticeable. There's more if a luxury feel to it and I don't have to turn the volume up at highway speeds.
They curate the used cars they offer. If you trade in one all shagged out, they'll accept the trade but it's not going to be added to the used inventory. Plus there's added warranty coverage, a brand new set of tires, no missing accessories, car is detailed, etc. An older friend of mine who gave me a lift on pickup day and has bought probably over a dozen high line quality used cars in his life said it was the cleanest used car he'd ever seen. Now this part is pure speculation, but I bet Tesla also can read data from the car and determine how the previous owner treated it.
It took about 10 days for it to become completely second nature. I prefer stalkless now.
Also cooled seats. Huge plus in my book
I think of 3db as twice or half as loud. It's extremely noticeable.
In Norway a brand new Model 3 highland is $29k…
Now you stalkin!
Test drove the highland, noise reduction is much better than the previous 3 and the model Y. That said it’s not near best in class, but as said it’s going the right way 🙂 the suspension is much much better than the previous model. All in all a decent upgrade
Perhaps because the 2019 was a step up from the previous M3?
A bit ambivalent on those. To me it feels more like sitting on the sweaty back of my chubby uncle.
I went with my mom today to pickup a 2025 Model 3 LR RWD.For the money, it’s a great cheap car. She’s getting it on 3 year lease for $190/mo with $0 due at signing as state and federal incentives got stacked.
Tesla Model 3.2 Gen 2x2
I prefer stalkless, I barely move my hands. Actually I just drove home 60 minutes using fsd in my 2024 model 3 and didn't touch the wheel so I don't really use the steering wheel buttons either.
Especially with FSD. If I have to press a button here and there, it’s not a big deal at all. And in general I got used to it very quickly. Love the added minimalism
in my experience it’s extremely quiet until about 70mph. Then it gets worse rapidly. At 80mph+ it’s not a quiet car at all
In Israel it's almost two times that 🥲 Model 3 starts at 197K NIS, which is right now with the inflation we had about $52.5K
I got my 2022 LR M3 with the acceleration boost package and FSD package for 28500 with 40k miles on it. It's an incredibly affordable way to get a Tesla. Mine was privately owned, 1 previous owner, not a rental car and had no service history. It can be done
Iirc from my acoustics class in college, 3db, while twice as much power, is the minimum sound level change that most people can perceive. I had a 2019 model 3 and my partner and I would basically have to yell to hear each other on our road trips. This was a big factor in deciding to get a model s a couple years back.
Brand new Toyota Corolla Hybrid? Sells fro $26K almost fully loaded. Sorry not being a spoiler, I understand it’s not an electric car but Corolla is a really good value.
They are chosen to be logarithmic because the brain perceives it that way. So while yes, it technically is a big difference, we can still look at the logarithmic values to get a sense of the perceived loudness
I had a 2021 facelift M3, and the new one is significantly quieter and much more comfortable. None of that extreme stiffness from the rear suspension, and a much more refined experience on the motorway. While it is definitely much quieter, what also helps is the frequency of the noise that is let inside. Those high annoying frequencies are completely cut out, and wind noise is at a complete minimum. Definitely beats out the German trio for noise isolation (A4, C-Class, 3-Series).
That same car is $550/mo to lease in Canada. Almost double the price to buy it outright.
Same. Got a 2017 Model 3 with 195k miles. Last I checked, they offered me like $5,000 trade in.
Interesting. What are thoughts on this version vs the AWD?
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so that will be $51,640 at the end of the years? sounds a little steep
there's a lot of nuance and context needed because human hearing is not a flat wave, but *generally* its +-10db that is loudness while +-3db is power. wasn't at my computer last night but [here's some more info](https://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-levelchange.htm) about it. you can still *hear* a difference at around +-2db, but volume perception takes more than that
Food for thought: - If you play say... two violins together with constructive interference, you'll get an increase of 3.0103 dB. In reality, it'll be more like 1 or 2 dB, because the violins will most likely be 'out of phase' with each other. - If you stand twice as far from a sound source, the decibel level decreases by 6.0206 dB. - If you double a sound sample's amplitude in a sample editor, that will also be a 6.0206 dB increase difference. At the least, 6dB is a much better approximation than 10.
No in the performance model tho, I have 2019 M3P and 2024 M3P 2019 better in range, only different is 2019 has 18 wheels and 2024 has 20 with aero cap
I think your math is a little off, right?
right, you start getting into SPL at that point (around 6db) which adds more variables, i'm just saying at the surface level 10db is *generally* the doubling / halving of perceived volume from a source. there's a lot of meat here that could be better chewed on in a different forum / setting (not the tesla one lol). things like the fletcher-munson curves helped put this all down onto paper but even then it's not a straight-forward way to explain how the human ear perceives "loudness"
Getting a low mileage Tesla for under 30k is insane. Everyone should be pulling that trigger ASAP before prices go up.
Those aren't really comparable models, the Corolla is much smaller. A M3 is much more comparable to a Camry.
$6,840
I have a 2020 and it's pretty darn quiet. My daily driver is also an e30 so, maybe the bar is just set REALLY low.
If you are looking to buy FSD then it would make sense to buy from a private seller though. 2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance sold for $26k with FSD. https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9aZp4YNE/2021-tesla-model-3-performance
But just think of what you're gonna pay for gas. And with war in the middle east, who knows what gas prices are going to do?
Hey, we've got a stalker over here!
The Toyota Hybrids are slow as molasses. Not remotely comparable.
Yep, it's a unit, the Bell, named after Alexander Graham Bell, and it's one of the few measurements we use in 10x increments: deci. Otherwise, wed measure them in centibels or millibels, or if larger, kilobels, or megabels. We tend to skip "deci", like we don't say a meter is 10 decimeters, we just say it's 100 centimeters.
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$190/mo * 36 mo = $6,840
I've noticed small things too, like being able to switch between drive and reverse without having to press the brake pedal. And that it automatically shifts into park when you release the seatbelt.
I went to college to study sound and find it fascinating that of all the places this discussion took place it was here in the Tesla sub.
That is nice and I've been using the auto reverse or drive feature too. It's usually right but I do miss the sticks for gears and turn signals.
That seems like quite the hyperbole, I've got the 2018 model 3 and I love how quiet it is compared to the average vehicle.
True story! Driving the model 3 after having an s for almost two years sounds very loud. Especially on the highway. Maybe it’s quieter than a comparatively priced ICE but cars can get WAY quieter than that.
I also have a 2018 M3 RWD and if there's one thing I could change it would be the road noise. I can't even listen to the radio or podcast at highway speeds unless I'm on a section of new asphalt. It's just too noisy. Not wind noise, road noise.
Yeah seriously. There’s a ‘23 long range 1-owner 3 in my area for $31k, and the tax credit will knock that down to $27k. That 2020 3 is a steal, especially since it’s an AWD performance model, and it’s really $22k.
Fair point, I guess I'm biased since I haven't been in another model 3, the switch from ICE to electric was just such a huge difference that I can't imagine how it could be even significantly quieter.
I have an X. Initially hated no stalks. Now I’m annoyed when I have to use stalks. Like should the car know what drive I want to be in? It’s obvious Im reversing or doing a 3 point turn. The original turn signal on steering wheel was too sensitive. Now it’s perfect
Oh yeah, I upgraded from a 2019 M3P to a 2024 M3P, it's night and day. You can have a normal conversation with each other, not shout at each other with wind howling in the cabin in certain conditions. Drastically less road noise even with performance tyres still as well.
wouldn't this be all related to tires only?
You’re in luck! There’s a retrofit for a few hundred bucks. Post pics when you pick up your new 3!
355k NOK, which is $32.5k for SR RWD and you need winter tires as well, which makes the realistic total 373.5k NOK or $34.2k.
Cant believe I got a 2020 model 3 SR+ with 50k miles and no FSD for $38k just over a year ago from Teslas inventory - feeling so scammed
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That said, 550 CAD is 400 USD. Just because they're both called dollars, you can't compare them like for like.
Interesting, because I've used a 2018 (loaner) and a 2020 (former car) and if I wanted to back into my driveway, neither of them would allow me to shift into reverse without first pressing the brakes. Both would also auto-shift into park upon opening the door, not when I released the seatbelt.
Inflation is crazy man. Remember when a Y sold for ~$70k? That guy is sick right now. The upside is that you got to drive one of best cars in the world a year earlier.
Have a 2023 and recently picked up a 2024 Model 3. Aside from the obvious major changes to the suspension and improved noise reduction there are *so many* other minor enhancements. One that I'm really appreciating is the areas that they extended the carpet in the interior. The footwells (the left side on the left footwell/right side on the right footwell) are now carpeted instead of plastic. This really mitigates scuff marks from your feet. Same with the along the doors. Also, the panels on the doors aren't the same plastic as the old Model 3 and are more scuff resistant. And the door pockets are carpeted now, leading to reduced noise when you've got anything in them. Even the cup holders are improved. And there are now defrosters on the front facing cameras as well. So many of these minor changes in my view add to the overall improved feeling that the car is just on another level. Edit: a word
Thanks. I meant overall. Which is the better car. More range vs. a better grip and handling?
Why trade up so soon?
Breaking the warranty. No, thank you.
oh dang! that's is so cheap!
I really liked the improvements in the Highland and it wasn’t a financial burden for me at all. I plan on keeping the Highland a lot longer though.
So many of those Model 3s in 2018/2019 had misaligned gaskets around the roof glass. This gap would catch air and produce tons of wind noise. It was a relatively easy fix but many had no clue where the sound was coming from or how to do the fix.
Whatever the the exchange rate is doesn’t matter much to a Canadian earning Canadian dollars. I’m not comparing them at all — just pointing out that a car that’s attainable for a lot of Americans is out of reach for most Canadians. At $55k most people want a lot more than a small sedan.
It does not break warranty
If I have a problem with it or it causes an accident I'm responsible not them. Again, no thanks. They are forcing no stalks on people which reduces the number of people interested in the newer Tesla's. It's not better it's just different annd unnecessary change to remove stalks.
Still missing turn signal and gear selection levers? If so, I'll stick with my 2018 M3 LR.
How is a third party stalk going to cause an accident. Even if it does, your insurance will cover it
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white noise is thing of the past. Engines built in the last decade are very quiet, at least in Europe (we tend to have smaller engines). If you try to shut down engine at highway speed, you wouldn’t notice a difference in noise levels.
Oddly specific...
I have not yet tried a no-stalk yet. How do you know it's in the correct drive before you start moving? Is there some sort of haptic feedback, or do you just glance at the screen?
Maybe around town, but not on the highway. My 1/2 ton truck is waaay quieter on the hwy.
I don’t see why they would. Tesla is pumping them out
Tires absolutely have an impact, but definitely not the only impact. The amount of sound deadening on the vehicle, and where it's located, will determine perceived sound.
That's a freaking hell of a deal. I'd consider selling my wife's 2018 LR RWD and picking that up.
I routinely switch from/to drive/reverse without pressing the brake pedal in both of our Model 3s (2018 & 2019). At least I'm pretty sure I'm not touching the brake pedal. I'll have to specifically pay attention this afternoon when I drive again.
Same tire compound and tread width on each? 18" vs. 20" wheels can have a big impact. With the larger wheel, the bulk of the mass is moved farther from the center of rotation, which increases the energy needed to turn the wheel. For the same design wheel, a larger wheel is also going to weight more than a smaller wheel, so another impact to efficiency. Switch your wheels between the two cars and do another long drive and you might be surprised at the efficiency changes you see.
The answer is right there in your quote: > than the last Model 3 we tested
Thanks for the update.
Try to do it at the end of a drive, because I think there’s a period at the start where it lets you freely switch back and forth without applying the brakes. I think once you get up to a certain speed it “locks you in” and the next time you want to reverse will require the brake pedal. At least that was my experience with the older models.
Interesting. When I go to lunch I'll try to remember to test that when I arrive.
Tax credit isn’t applicable to either of those models since they’re over 25k. Using a third party service also won’t work for most cars whose true value is around 30k+ even if you plan to pay the difference in cash off the books. My experience is that keysavvy wouldn’t allow a 22 performance model 3 to sell under 29k, negating the possibility of a tax credit.
> Also, the panels on the doors aren't the same plastic as the old Model 3 and are less scuff resistant. You're saying the newer is a downgrade here?
Opps. Should have said *more* scuff resistant.
Yeah that’s right, I forgot about the price cap. You can find some older ones under $25k. I’ve seen a few 2020s and 2018/19s for around $24k that didn’t have tons of miles(by tons I mean over 60k). I even saw a ‘19 for $19k that had 73k miles, which honestly I’d still buy given it had no repair history.
If I could get a pill that helps me delete that info in my head and recover that memory storage space, you let me know. It's getting harder to be thrilled.
On the X it has an image with the direction. Also if it’s in reverse your reverse camera will turn on and reverse sound will come on
I have a 2018 M3 and we recently got a 2024 MY and I can tell you on freeway speeds the M3 is very noisy and we have to yell. And before the MY the wife had a A6 and it wa super quiet.
Ah yeah. The sound. Our old 3 didn't actually make any sound in reverse, and I'm still not entirely used to that happening with our Y. That makes sense.
I don’t even have that memory, but can feel your memory.
These decibels ain't important because I got tinnitus but the range is a good thing for me! Can't wait for Juniper!
So range is up for highway only?
Op are you ok? It’s been a day, are you still at lunch?
I agree, Canadians getting hosed everywhere - a new Honda CRV starts around $50k
When I do lunch, I *really* do lunch. I replied with my findings here: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1g4hfsv/caranddriver_latest_tesla_model_3_is_vastly/lsogc35/
I tried both on arrival to lunch and also when I got back to work (just to be really sure I hadn't inadvertently been pressing on brake from muscle memory the first time). Both times I was moving forward at 4mph with my feet pulled away from the pedals, I pushed up on the shift lever, the car engaged reverse, and I was able to then accelerate in reverse without ever having touched the brake.
I’ve owned both. I sold my 2019 for a 2024 and the difference in sound and ride quality especially, is completely night and day.
It’s a night/day difference in my opinion.
Assuming all same tires; I’d say the wheel’s design makes the biggest impact, not the diameter or weight. You can get 18s that get much worse efficiency than the stock 20s. When travelling at a constant speed, wheel weight is basically insignificant. If you’re doing 100% city then maybe, but highway range is what matters.
> I’d say the wheel’s design makes the biggest impact, not the diameter or weight. No, for the overwhelming majority of drivers and drives, the mass of the wheel and where the mass is located makes the bigger impact. It is exceedingly uncommon *on average* for someone to take a long highway trip where mass is going to have less of an impact than design. The average length of a trip in the US is 12 miles - that includes the 100+ mile highway drives you're thinking off where weight matters less and then also the majority of short trips where weight matters more. Short drives will be more impacted by wheel weight as those typically won't include a steady state driving speed like a long highway drive would. According to [A research study for the Bureau of Transportation Statistics](https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1230-march-21-2022-more-half-all-daily-trips-were-less-three-miles-2021), "52% of all trips, including all modes of transportation, were less than three miles, with 28% of trips less than one mile. Just 2% of all trips were greater than 50 miles." This was the best I could find for breaking down trip length, but it includes all modes of transport, from air travel to train travel to buses to personal car.
A 5 mph speed difference makes a bigger difference than any of this. There’s a reason Tesla has never cared about the weight of their wheels. Tire compound, offset, width, and aerodynamic efficiency all play a bigger part than 5-10lbs per wheel. The average trip length has nothing to do with it. On a 12 mile ride any Tesla will make it easily unless you’re doing something very wrong. Irrelevant point. On 100+ mile rides is where you care about an effect on the range. Once the wheel is already in motion, the extra energy needed to move the heavier wheel is just a rounding error.
> There’s a reason Tesla has never cared about the weight of their wheels. Yeah, just like all manufacturers, they want the wheels to be inexpensive to produce, robust, and less likely to be damaged from pot holes. > The average trip length has nothing to do with it. Average trip length absolutely has to do with it, as I already stated: "Short drives will be more impacted by wheel weight as those typically won't include a steady state driving speed like a long highway drive would." A short drive is going to be lower speed and more likely with stop and go than a longer drive - FOR A TYPICAL DRIVE. It's 2.5 miles from my house to the interstate, and I live close to an interstate. That means I've already completed 20% of the average length drive and haven't even gotten to the interstate yet, meaning the heavier wheels are negatively impacting efficiency where I haven't had any aero benefits. And we already know how much wheel design can impact efficiency - the original 18" wheels on the Model 3 with and without their aero covers. The spoked wheel design wasn't particular efficient, but they didn't need to be due to the aero covers. The covers were optimistically stated to give an extra 5% range at 70mph, which Car And Driver tested and found actually [gave 2.5% increase in efficiency at 70mph](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/teslatires-max2-1576529897.png?resize=980:*). So a nearly perfect wheel design (flat, minimal interruptions) only increased efficiency by 2.5% at highway speeds. Wheel weight is going to have a larger impact for *most* people's drives.
Nope. Nobody can detect a 1 - 1.5 dB difference. 3 dB is the least the ear/brain can detect.
Not true. Most can detect around 1dB, and trained musicians can recognize around 0.5 difference.
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