I checked out of curiosity again… I have a 2022 MYP now it’s $49 a month and my purchase option for $2000 is now gone (in the app) anyone else have this happen. At $49 a month I’m kind of tempted!
Yes this is normal because you already had EAP.
Mines still $99 :/
I love FSD. Driving is a chore now after having it for the last 3 or so years and it’s gotten remarkably better in that time.
The purchase went away a couple weeks ago. Guess you missed that announcement.
They announced a couple of months ago that they would be stopping lifetime purchases of FSD so if you wanted it, to buy before a certain date. They've added a discounted FSD subscription price for people who already own EAP outright
Mines still 99 dang for 49 I’d probably sign up
Lycky u. I could buy it for 7500€ and still wouldnt be able to use it here in europe😂
Why not?
They had enhanced autopilot. That's why.
They had enhanced autopilot. That's why.
Its not available yet. However they sell it though.😁
Not yet, true, I think it will happen in the next months. I would like to try it out maybe I book myself some fsd test drive
Their timelines are never on time lol
Yep, in 2019 they said it will come in the next 6-12m. 2022 stated again that it will come mid 2022. 2024 they said it will come early 2025.
I paid $6k for it on a 2020 Y and traded last year with transfer onto a new 3. First few years I thought I made a mistake spending $6k but regardless of the purchase option going away in the last year I would say I believe I made a great purchase, $49 would be a no brainer for me if I didn’t have it already. I’m sure everyone’s driving habits are different and that’s a factor but for me going 2,000 miles a month, there’s no regrets (anymore).
I prefer EAP over FSD.
Don’t worry, it will be here within the next decade, probably.
Anyone know when this is coming to Europe?
OP is slow af
And every email and social post lmao
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The subscription only option has made the idea of buying a Tesla much less attractive to me. I’m not adding a 100 bill to my monthly expenses when I can avoid it. A one time fee is an acceptable expense…but I’m not paying 1200 a year for as long as I have the car. I strive to keep my cars for as long as possible. 1200 over 12 to 15 years is 15.4K to 19.2K. That’s a huge price difference. Even if Tesla dropped the monthly cost to $25 dollars a month, that’s still 3.8k to 4.8K. FSD (which is a terrible name and shouldn’t be legal) seems cool…but not for 15 to 20 thousand dollars.
Mine also 99
It’s because you already previously paid for Enhanced Autopilot at purchase. Rate is lower for those who did. Still $99 for people who didn’t. And the purchase option is gone for everyone for good. Had to be under a rock it to know that was coming is it’s all anyone here talked about for months before the date.
This guy
Yeah, that’s assuming they don’t increase the price too. You know they will.
Well the cool thing is you do not have to pay for it
at first they said mid Feb, now it's March. I doubt in the EU it's going to be 99 euro.
Just to piss you guys off I have fsd for life. Sorry 😞
That’s kinda scummy on Teslas end. Why sell a feature that user can’t access?
Lucky mine still 99
Incorrect. OP had EAP which is why it’s cheaper
Thats on the shitty European government.
Isn’t it wonderful though that you have the option and aren’t forced to buy it? Kinda like having an option to get a plaid or not get one. I think it’s wonderful.
Subscription model works better for most people anyways. Unless you keep your vehicles forever, which most people don’t, you would lose money paying $7500 versus $99 month. I drive around 30,000 miles per year so I’m not keeping most vehicles longer than four years or 48 months.
It is to protect European customers while their technology is not ready yet for European markets (due to differences in roads and signs per country).
The idea of the subscription is that you can come in and test it anytime they update it! Maybe do it for a month then cancel, and then come back after six months and try it again after updates. Once you get to where you like it, you can buy it!
Just to confirm, this is completely wrong. Has nothing to do with HW3 or HW4. Already purchased EAP = $49 a month Everyone else $99 a month
Lmaooooo
Come out from under that rock every once in a while bruh
Im personally not going for it unless I have a road trip. But if I had the extra, I mean think about it like having a chauffeur for $100/mo lol
If that’s the main selling point of a Tesla for that user it makes sense why it’d make the brand much less attractive
True, it just sounds like they think it wasn’t a choice, just hope they realize that it is and they’ll still get autopilot for free (I think) plus what if they buy FSD and tomorrow total their car, they’d be pissed (edit: subscription is a much safer option, but if you could guarantee not getting into an accent for 7 or so years, yeah buying outright would’ve been the better economic decision, ofc let’s not forget the price was what, $12,000 at one point? Imagine those people… it’ll be like 10 years before their choice pays off and that’s if they don’t get into an accident or their vehicle takes a shit
Huge missed opportunity. If you already had EAP, $2K more for FSD was a no brainer
>they’ll still get autopilot for free Nope they've changed that too. Only comes with cruise control now. Don't even get lane centering anymore without an FSD subscription.
I remember hearing about it and then maybe it was just a change of wording, that’s so shit… I hate that, my car is unique for sure now, 2022 MYP so I have AMD and ultrasonic sensors and can switch between their insane accuracy and Tesla vision and have autopilot, I consider these things gifts for buying it at $70K 😭
Do you live under a rock?
This is how I look at it. I purchased it outright a bit over a year ago, but only really use it for longer trips or heavy freeway traffic. My daily commute to work (3.5 mi each way) is not long enough for me to want to use it.
Should have bought it for 2k
I’m pretty sure I also already had EAP and mine’s still showing $99/m. 🙁
I’m sorry, you had a 2k option? Jesus i got majorly fucked over on this, we paid way more than that. I feel so scammed by this company.
This is the thing that kills me. You don’t need FSD, but now if I buy a new Tesla and want lane centering it 1) doesn’t exist and 2) I have to pay $100 a month indefinitely. That really sours me on buying a new one. It’s like bmw forcing you to get a subscription for heated seats. A Honda civic has lane centering. Guess its 2025s and under for me.
Oh wow it’s totally worth the $49/month, but you should have jumped on the $2000 lifetime offer, I did t know they were still offering that to some owners.
At least they gave you $50 cheaper for using it and not buying it loool I def bought my life time subscription last year, it didn’t make sense not to get it. Now this the car I gotta make sure I keep forever and just replace the battery
Yeah it is a lot of money every year, but I just used FSD for a week and it is so much more capable than I expected. I would consider buying a used Tesla and paying for the FSD monthly basically figuring that into the monthly payment as it would still be a better car than anything else I can buy new now. Even once the car is paid off still paying $99 /month for a car that is more capable than other new vehicles would be an attractive option vs buying a new car to get the upgrades like Detroit wants you to do. I wish I could pay Ford extra to get updates on the BlueCruise and not have to wait a year or more for them to offer it to me. Also wish I had kept my CyberTruk reservation with the FSD…
Exactly, having a chauffeur for $100/month that is always there, never late or sick…
Do people realize that you can get an Uber or Lyft for a month for less than the cost of this subscription + insurance + depreciation? If you don't want to drive, save money and ditch the car.
The one I was driving offered Auto Steer (Beta) as an option when the FSD expired it was similar to what Ford BlueCruise is.
Right? You'd be buying a car with a core feature that you don't know what the price will be or how or if it will be offered in future. Maybe it'll be $200/month next year. Maybe it will be bundled with some other features you don't want. Maybe it will be billed annually. Maybe they'll change it so it's a buy-once only but it's $30k. Maybe it will just be cancelled entirely on a whim or because Elon is mad at a trade ruling in your country. If it's a subscription, it's totally within Elon's control whether you get it or not. So anyone interested in buying a Tesla ***because*** they want FSD should either buy a used one that has it, or get a Rivian or something else. And yeah with autopilot/autosteer removed, that means very basic features have the same level of uncertainty. Any 20 year old car with lane keeping is now more attractive than a new Tesla if you want that.
I doubt they will increase it over $99/month. If anything the price will come down in 5 years or so as full self driving gets more mainstream and available from other manufacturers
Let’s say you’re right (your not a coworker does this and spends more) And wait on a Uber each time I want to go anywhere? Plus have you been in a uber? They all drive crazy af and any time you want to go anywhere you have to spend.
Why should FSD name be illegal? What’s wrong with it?
This was the case until January 2026. New vehicles no longer have it without an FSD subscription.
Bingo! It’s silly when Elon himself lowered the price of it (worth) to 8 grand and insurance bros are saying it’s [maybe worth a grand](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/1rfefvz/insurance_says_my_10k_tesla_fsd_is_worth_1360_be/) .. Seen a personal calling it “a personal chauffeur for $100/month” and if I had a crowd of people willing to do those kinds of mental gymnastics, I’d put them all on subscription too.. a personal chauffeur still in a beta state that bares no responsibility and you assume all liability. Thats more like an 8 year old driving you around 😭
$2k per lifetime was total worth it for fsd not sure why you didn't buy it. $49 is normal if you have EAP
Ouch. I paid the $2k the day FSD was reduced to $8k. You could have done the same and recouped that money easily with FSD as a feature when selling privately.
You haven’t experienced FSD. It’s MY clean ass car, my chargers, my half finished energy drink from earlier, my pack of gum in the center console, my tissues in the back seat…. It’s perfect because it’s an uber in your own car which you don’t wait for at all. 10000x better
Do it. is the 2023 HW4 or 3?
Though they still sell it in countries it doesn't work ha ha
This is how I look at it, robo-chauffeur. I do agree that I’d second guess adding $100/mo if I was making car payments.
OP bought EAP at some point in the past, the 2000$ was the upgrade price from EAP to FSD. I doubt they paid less than you unless you paid 10k+
Buying outright is gone!
Wouldn’t that depend on how much you’re driving?
I mean 40 months to break even is still quite a while
🤦♂️
Why wouldn’t you just do the happy medium of subscribing just for road trips as a middle option? Why miss out completely?
Uber for a month? That’s like 4-5 rides max lol
I would do that!
All the whiners talking like they’re a victim of Elon & Tesla. Then why are you in this group? It’s like complaining about Hoka when you can only afford Sketchers.
$49??? Since when?
So FSD was an $8,000 option for most cars. Would a one-time $8,000 expense be more palatable than $100 per month? Fir this person a one-time fee of $2,000 was an option. But they declined it.
Not really an apples-to-apples comparison
I guess you’re lucky mine is $99 a month for some reason
> Do people realize that you can get an Uber or Lyft for a month for less than the cost of this subscription + insurance + depreciation? That logic only works if you barely go anywhere. Uber/Lyft pricing scales directly with miles and trips. Tesla ownership costs are mostly fixed. Two $20 Uber rides a day is already ~$1,200/month and that only accounts for a few use cases. Want to take a road trip with an Uber? yeah, I'll keep my FSD thanks.
Well, I’d hate to buy FSD outright for $8K not adding any value to the car whatsoever and then getting in an accident that totals the car a week later.
You assume the subscription isn't going to change... The $2k definitely worth it.
When FSD came out it cost 15k to purchase. It went down to 12k, then 10k and finally 8k before it was discontinued. So spending that monthly for so many years is not so far off from where it started.
And it is called FSD (Supervised) added to note that I said the same thing before I owned it and I don’t think I would ever purchase another vehicle if it did not have it. It has come a long way since 2020.
What is EAP?
$48/mo? Is this new- I'm still paying $100/mo
Enhanced auto pilot
Literally lived under a rock
Living under a rock eh?
Man that sucks. I remember reading somewhere that, if you had EAP, it would've been $2k or so to upgrade to FSD instead of $8k. Or around $49/month if you wanted to subscribe to FSD. Idk if they changed it now though.
I am generally against everything-sub, but FSD on subscription makes much more sense that it being tied to the car... If Tesla decided to tie the FSD with the owner - different story. But if it goes away if some idiot crashes into you? No, thanks....
It used to be $100 a month. Not bad
Bring back autopilot!!
I have experienced FSD. I've had 3 trials of it. Every time I found it was like driving with a learners permit driver. Now I'll grant they my experience may not be typical, but that's irrelevant to the conversation anyway.
$8000 and transfer to future vehicles was iffy. So 80 months at current cost. I have hw3 and may subscribe for a long trip but was never going to buy outright. Regular AP is great for highway driving - now getting rid of that takes Tesla off future purchase lists for me.
Agree - it used to take a bit for fsd beta to enable. Is it quick now? If I subscribe, will I have it overnight? Right away?
And the news stories and articles
I’ve heard it’s right away ever since the sw versions for FSD and non-FSD merged together but I have lifetime on both cars so don’t hold me to that.
Nope, that's on the shitty Tesla CEO that is OK to sell something they can't delivery for a decade (level 4 or 5 ). FSD is still level 2, even in US and China.
It's still a level 2 autonomy. Real FSD should at least be 4.
Damn if it was 50 for everyone I’d at least try it
I've heard it will be 49$ but in my app it still says 99$ a month?
Wait why am I paying 100 a month???!
HW3 has a FSD sub for $49 and HW4 has a FSD sub for $99.
I think the price will go down eventually for a few reasons. 1. Right now Tesla is the only car brand with full self driving you can buy so it commands a premium. None of the competing brands have anything as capable as of today. 2. As time goes on, other brands will get it and then there will be price competition, some brands will even offer it for "free" (included with the vehicle as part of its base price) just to sell vehicles. If you look at any cars features that were once premium they eventually have come to more budget orientated models. So while I do think FSD supervised may go up in price in the short term I think it'll go down over the long term and certainly before 7 years from now which was the break-even point on buying FSD supervised outright (without already having enhanced auto-pilot which halves the cost of FSD supervised). The way I see Tesla pricing things is FSD supervised as we see it today may stay at $99 a month with a $1,099 per-year subscription also being offered in the future. And then once FSD unsupervised becomes available the price for that will go up to perhaps $149 a month and for vehicles that cannot support it (I suspect models with computer v3's won't ever get FSD unsupervised) will continue to have the $99 FSD supervised available but models with computer 4's and above will then only be able to subscribe to the $149 FSD unsupervised, similar to how Tesla got rid of enhanced autopilot as a purchasable option once FSD supervised was good enough to warrant a $99 per month subscription. Then looking out even further I could see FSD unsupervised lowering in price to $99 again because of competition from other automakers and the fact Elon needs 10 million users subscribed to FSD to get one of his benefits. I will admit it's remarkable they already are at 1.1 Million subscribers at this price point and with this many cars on the road so it may be the case he can hit the 10 million user mark at this price once it rolls out in every country where Teslas are available.
Helpful to hear, thanks for context!
I wonder if my current sub 99/mo will automatically go down? Or will I need to cancel and re sign up to get the lower price?
Rent forever for $50 a month. You will own nothing and be happy!
Pretty sure HW3 cars have a reduced subscription because you don’t get the HW4 FSD capabilities
Vote for better politicians to regulate these companies scamming us. If you buy a product, you should be able to use that product. You paid for the technology in that car. My advice would be to see if you can jailbreak the car to turn on those features. If that’s even possible. We might have to find a completely rewritten software to replace it. These things are all software issues.
Instantly pretty much.
Only if the car already had EAP.
Everyone is going to be stuck at the same level. Not even Waymo can get itself out of all situations. The car "phones a friend" for help and humans still give it instructions to get out of a jam at times! Plus bad weather? Yeah no Waymo has driven in ice! Canadian Uber Drivers are probably the least at risk!
Mine still says $99/mo
If you have a car with EAP, its half price to upgrade to full FSD.
Because your car doesn't have EAP already.
That car has EAP. So FSD upgrade is half off.
That car has EAP. So FSD upgrade is half off.
That car has EAP. So FSD upgrade is half off.
Well hopefully you don’t consider the cost of Tires cause you will be replacing them sooner than your average car, I own a 2025 Legacy going on my second year and I already need the rear tires replaced well who just replaces two tires 🛞 and the Model Y only has less than 15,000 miles so let’s do the math shall we.
The $2000 was for anyone with HW3 and not 4
It’s still $99 for me. What HW you on?
One idea is you rent it when you need it. Instead of dropping $8k right away.
And the word of mouth and post-it notes
I definitely have some buyers remorse paying 8k for it, but fsd is the only reason I got my car so either 8k or 100 a month is ok in my book. I'm so far 95 percent on fsd.
God. I'm so mad about autopilot/auto steer. Tesla was a dream car, but now it's not.
Your car has EAP. HW3 with EAP.
What's EAP?
I thought it was $100 a month?
Enhanced Auto Pilot. Was a $6k upgrade a time of original purchase. So the fact he could have upgraded to full FSD for only $2k more recently would have been the move before they discontinued permanent purchase of FSD.
Missed every imaginable warning. Gotta be rage bait.
I mean they did say "FEBRUARY 14 LAST DAY TO BUY FSD".....
You must be special. I just checked mine on CTB and it still shows $99
Road trips don’t need FSD at all. That’s where EAP shines. It can change lanes/ takes exits. That’s why I never upgraded to FSD
am i mathing wrong or is it u mathing wrong.
ummm is that legall? tesla is double dipping
Worst case you reboot the car...
What do you mean? They used to offer an outright purchase of something, they stopped offering new purchases of it and it’s now only available as a subscription (at a discounted rate for those who already bought lifetime licenses of EAP). It’s not really any different to what Adobe or any big tech company tends to so these days. I don’t see what you’re implying in it could be illegal, and how is it double dipping?
Yeah but when you’re in a city you’re not familiar with, having FSD navigate the streets for you is where it brings the greatest value.
And implanted in your dreams via Starlink/Neuralink
Somehow he seems happier with the 49/month option
So, I bought a car that came with FSD available at any time under two pricing options: outright purchase, or $99 monthly subscription. That is the understanding under which I paid $60k for a vehicle. Now that deal has been arbitrarily changed. I can now no longer purchase FSD. Elon has made it clear he can and will change the subscription option to make it less affordable. This is no longer the car I bought. Instead of "available FSD", it's now "maybe available FSD at whatever price Elon sets this week, maybe not available". The subscription option is great when you want to splash out on that. But it's no longer a feature I consider to be part of the car. If I were purchasing now, I wouldn't take it into consideration as something my new car has - it's now no different than any third party add-on service that may or may not be available in future.
A chauffer that panics as soon as it steers into the sun and yells at you to drive 😆
I wouldn’t trust its judgment over my own.
Not true
Have you been sleeping for the past two months?
You're not paying for gas tho so it kind of works out
….if Tesla was the only company making electric cars, you might have a point. But there have literally never been more great electric cars.
I’m not buying a car based on road trips. I simply don’t go on enough of those per year. Rental cars can be used for that.
Tesla JUST reduced the number of options to get FSD. To be sitting here and saying “wow, Tesla is so great because they give us options” when they just cut back on the options they offer is a wild take!
Because that’s not what the tech is…they require the driver to keep their hands on the wheel. It’s good technology…but the way it’s be referred to is really dishonest. Tesla knows it’s costing lives but continues anyway.
I never have to touch the wheel. Just pay attention to the road.
How’d you get it for $50/mo??
They just changed the name of Navigate on Autopilot to Navigate on Autosteer and FSD Computer to AI Computer. Buying FSD in 2018 was one of the best things I ever did. Sure it took 7 years to get there, but it was fun testing it out along the way and seeing all the improvements.
Im my past experience, when the branches weren’t merged, id have to wait for the next FSD update to roll out to my car to get it. With merged branches, im not sure if its instant or not
Did they just lower the price?
How do you get it for $49?!
You already have EAP
AP was garbage compared to FSD though. All it did was keep you in your lane (if the curves weren't too sharp) as long as you keep your hands on the wheel.
And how much did that cost you?
You purchased the version at time of delivery, that’s what you’re entitled to. Developing the new stuff costs significant amounts of money so I’m more than happy to pay for FSD that is updated a lot. I’m surprised Tesla doesn’t charge for all the other updates even if you don’t have FSD or Premium Connectivity.
Brother you had an offer to buy FSD for $2000k and you didn’t take it 💀
I had this exact thought but buying fsd was 8k.... subscription if paid yearly is 1k per year... so it would have been 8 years until i break even.... if the car gets into an accident and gets totalled the insurance does not recognize any value from it...resell value is not really affected by it... Yes of you'll keep the car 12 / 15 years maybe worth it but technology is advancing so fast. If the solid state battery becomes mass produced and gives you twice or 3 times the range like they are claiming the upgrade 6 to 10 years down the line would be so much worth it so then again fsd up front at 8k es just too expensive... i would have paid 4k but 8k was too much....
I agree here. I’d also add that I would buy it outright or subscription if lease companies could add it into pre tax payments. It should lower insurance therefore be adding to safety of car.
people defending it don't realize this somehow even though if they're subscribed to 1 thing for the past 5 years, it has gone up at least once lol
Probably cheaper because you have hardware three
$50 a month? Mine shows $99 🥺
If you wanted FSD you should've taken advantage of the 2k offer to own it for life tbh. They announced like 2 months before it happened that it was going away. Multiple emails, etc.
Swipe to subscribe
I bought the 2026 tesla model y launch series. So the launch series has the full self drive for life. No monthly payments....
Do you understand how long 40 months is of ownership of a vehicle?
100% it will eventually be free
It’s only $49 per month if you bought EAP previously
That’s normal for people with EAP, who have effectively already purchased 62% of FSD.
And my axe!
There was ever an “available FSD at this price”. The $8000 price of FSD was never locked in. It has historically fluctuated all over the place, as high as $15,000, and was always subject to price change, just like subscription is subject to change at any time.
I do t get this “merged branch” thing. Non-FSD people are already on 2026.x releases, but everyone on FSD is still using a 2025 release (e.g 2025.45.10 with FSD 14.2.2.5). If you already have 2026.x I think there will be a wait before you can get FSD.
If you’re going to buy a used Tesla, you can one that already has permanent FSD and you’ll never have to pay a monthly fee.
Neither do I, to me its kind of dumb that theres a “general release” and an FSD release. Im by no means a software engineer in any regard, but I would imagine it can’t be that difficult to just push out updates without needing to split it up
I have a 2021 M3 SR but I dont see the $50/month
What rock were you living under?
That’s what she said
And thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I mean that was just as true as when it was a one time purchase if you didn’t have it.
😂😂😂😅😂
Yeah but I'm saying if I were to buy one now wanting it for autonomous driving, I'd be a lot less interested in a Tesla. Zero permanent autonomy, all autonomy is subscription-only. When I bought mine, it came with permanent Autopilot included, and the option to buy FSD. If I wanted the car for FSD specifically, I would absolutely have purchased it when I bought the car and locked that in. The subscription is only people who are curious but not interested in committing to FSD. Anyone saying "you need HW4" now, it's like - why? If you wanted the car for autonomous driving, there's no option to keep that feature permanently, so another brand would be a better choice for you. If you don't really care about autonomous driving, who cares if it's HW4?
No it’s not just for people that want to test it out. I work from home so the car just sits in the driveway most days. When I have a trip to take I purchase the month. So for me it is an on demand feature.
If you plan on having the car for more than 40 months then buy it for $2,000 Otherwise just pay monthly
Enhanced autopilot- a version between autopilot and fsd. It will do lane changes on freeway, stops for traffic lights and has summon.
Elon is like “I’ve altered the terms of our arrangement. Pray that I don’t alter it further”
I've been subscribing on demand. It activates instantly.
I had EAP when I bought the car. FSD has been 99 for me for the last year. Edit: just confirmed the price apparently dropped to 49 this past billing cycle.
I just used it in a road trip. It was great. I definitely would use fsd in a road trip any day. It sensed when a truck was drifting to our lane and backed off. It allowed people to merge in front of us by using their blinker. It was great navigating the cities too. No complains here. And we are not as tired as we would be using eap or driving normally
What about the leaflets that they dropped from the space shuttle and the two weeks we spent at full self driving camp
Why would you do it every month? Just buy it when you want it?
I'm not paying an extra 80$ or whatever for a single 5-6h roadtrip, personally.
Yeah I use it as an on-demand feature too. But if I had bought the car FOR that feature, I definitely would have purchased it outright. And if I couldn't, I wouldn't buy the car. Lease maybe, but Tesla lease options are not very good, they don't even let you buy it out at the end! Basically just renting it.
Right lol
GM/OnStar seems to run SuperCruise deals around Black Friday. Granted at this point the number of people paying for SuperCruise subscriptions is limited to the original CT6, XT6, Bolt EUV and the very first Lyriq and Hummer EV trucks that entered service in 2022 but it will be interesting to watch what direction they go as more of our Lyriqs come out of the included three years of service from the factory. **I fully recognize the functionality and value proposition of FSD is night and day compared to SuperCruise but it definitely seems the industry is still testing the waters in terms of different segments and their willingness to pay
I’m sure that monthly payment a lot
It took about an hour for me.
Isnt it $100 a month?
Not sure what rock you've been living under, welcome to March 2026
How come I have to pay $99/month for fsd? 🤔
The FSD outright purchase went away and EAP was discontinued on new vehicles, simply because Elon has a new $1T incentive on his pay package tied to FSD subscriptions. It's hard to think of something else that turns my stomach more. [https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-ended-tesla-fsd-purchases-subscriptions-trillion-compensation-2026-1](https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-ended-tesla-fsd-purchases-subscriptions-trillion-compensation-2026-1)
I mean... I have a 2017 Model S that was purchased in the ole US of A from the factory with FSD, and the very first time I actually received access to FSD in any shape or form was 7+ years later...
Damn… I didn’t read the memo…literally EVERYWHERE🥲
I’m kicking myself as we speak
I like this^^ makes me feel better for not buying it for 2k but still 🙂↕️
For road trips I find AP to be better. Lane centering and hard set max speed is what I want and all that I need for highways. What benefit does FSD give over that? Just stressful lane changes as it ignores max speed and drives like a maniac or it stays in a lane but drives well below my max speed 🤷♂️. I’ve liked FSD for small in town stuff or easy trips but for road trips I prefer AP personally
Very good point, especially for businesses owners.
I do all the time. It’s much better
If you subscribe, its instant. You'll have it within minutes. I personally only subscribe when I have roadtrips coming up
How is this $49? Mines shows as $99.
I mean that's like 4 years of sub. Probably on to a new car by then and it doesn't transfer. Plus, opportunity costs..
For sure, I knew I did not do enough driving outside of a couple of miles to the store to get 8k of use out of it. I use maybe 3 months a year of FSD
I see
I'd pay for $50 FSD tbh
see if r/Piracy can help you
It is now though. We have the new fsd supervised as a beta version in tesla stores. Watched dozens of videos in nordic winter driving and it performed as well as in US. But probably takes years for EU to approve it. Even though it is better driver than 70% of the humans and would avoid accidents.
Just a question. How long have you owned your last 3 cars on average. My last 3 cars were 22 model s plaid, 22 model s performance, 2020 model s long range. Bought 2020 model s in 2021 put it on turo 2023, bought 2022 my performance 2022 put on turo in 2024, bought 2022 MS Plaid in 2023 just put it on turo in 2025. See I’ve owned them as DD’s for on average 2 year. National average in U.S. is 3.7 years. Why pay 8k when you for make 4k in 100$ monthly payments?
I buy it for 2 months during the summer break when we take long trips. Its worth every penny to me. Can drive 10 hours, get out of the car and feel very little fatigue. Driving anytime of the day or night. I fucking love it.
This is what I do. I’ve subscribed 3 times in the past 9 months. Also not convinced that Elon is right when he says the price will go up over time. I think it’ll be going the other way….
I still see the monthly sub is $99/month. How did you find the $49/month offer?
And the tattoo they put above your genitals
What is EAP
Fool for passing on the 2k
Complaining about pricing then saying $1200 for 15 years is 19.2k is hilarious lol. Maybe don’t buy anything.
Enhanced Autopilot.
Which other brand would you buy that has autonomous driving then?
To go from the original $8,000, Down to $49 / month seems reasonable. The national average is 8.4 years of ownership. Even if we bumped it up to 8.5… 8.5 x 12 =102 months 102 x $49 = $4,998
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd-supervised-does-not-require-actually-touching-steering-wheel.325984/ You’re making a distinction without a difference. My point wasn’t about the touching(or lack of it as you claim), it was the fact that Tesla’s chosen name suggests it’s completely independent, when it’s very much not.
It’s still 99.99 for me
…I included sales tax of 7 percent. 1200 a year…with 84 dollars of tax on top. Over 15 years equals 19,260…which I rounded to 19.2K. I can forgive you missing that fact…but the rudeness when you’re the one not evaluating the true overall cost is a bad look.
I wish my fsd was $49! Lol
This comment here shows people in this sub don't even use FSD and know nothing about it.
…the system gives a warning to put your hands back on the wheel. Are you denying that? But there’s a reason you didn’t touch on the specifics, and instead just gave a general “this is wrong, they know nothing about FSD” If you want to dive into specifics, feel free…otherwise take your generalizations elsewhere.
...... no...... you (and we) bought a $60k vehicle that had two options for FSD. No "Deal" has been arbitrarily changed simply because they removed the option to buy FSD outright, because it was simply that...... an option. That's like saying you bought a Mustang with the base model engine that had other options available like more high performance engines that you could swap into the car if you paid for them, but later Ford stopped making those higher performance engines available, so it's "No longer the car you bought". It IS the car you bought. You bought it without FSD, so why would you have even considered the $8,000 option for purchasing FSD "something your car has"? I never even considered the ability to purchase FSD outright when purchasing my Model 3. Why? Because for how little I care about my car driving itself, paying $8k for it made zero sense, both logically or monetarily. Even with the free month trials of FSD, I seldom ever used it. I bought a $60,000 car because I want to drive a car that I enjoy driving, not because I actually wanted to pay $68,000 for the car to drive itself. I don't need my car to drive itself to take me back and forth to work, or to the store, or to friends houses. On long trips? Maybe. But then I can pay $100, use it for that trip and for the remainder of that month, and cancel it. Even if I only ever felt I NEEDED to use FSD for 4 months out of the year every single year, it would take 20 YEARS to equate to what FSD would have cost outright.
And it was everywhere, it was also in every major and minor news rag that’s been defunct. Heck, the Baton-Rouge Gazette came out of retirement to report the news.
That is a matter of opinion. Elon bet the house on FSD. If he loses the bet, he’ll just bring back EAP. It’s software, and options, which is one of the beauties of Tesla. There aren’t too many cars out there who provide OEM updates and new options for cars they sold a decade earlier.
Personally I'd look into Rivian. They have radar. Their software may be a bit behind Tesla now, but when they catch up it will be an OTA, wheeras all current Tesla models will be left behind, and Tesla will eventually have to offer cars with radar. GM, Mercedes and all the Chinese brands coming in. Ford Bluecruise beats FSD for highway use by some measures. There's also OpenPilot, which is open source $1k autonomous driving hardware that can be added to any modern car except Tesla. It works well with Toyota/hyundai
Do you have an old HW3 car? They give reduced pricing because there are some limitations to the FSD compared to HW4
I thought it’s $100/month
Is it now permanently 49 per month?
Most of us are paying $99 a month. $49 is a deal
It's called FSD (supervised) by the way. Tesla owners know that is it Level 2. Waymo is Level 4.
Took about 30 seconds for me.
I’m still stuck at $99/mth on mine. Still a hard pass at that price.
Terrible name? It quite literally fully self drives and will do so unsupervised in less than a year. As far as the legality is concerned the NHTSA which has sole authority over vehicle safety enforcement ( not California) says it is legal which is the only authority that matters.
Where did the $49 come from. Less for HW3? The rest of us pay $100
Wow that's bad. Even the entry level $20K Kia Soul has lane centering...
Sounds like you have EAP. That included an upgrade to FSD for the difference between EAP ($6000) and FSD ($8000), or $2000 total. It also halved the subscription cost.
It is the best feature of the car. We use it every time now. The new FSD is legit.
FSD subscriptions, here’s a trick, let it lapse each month and restart when you actually need it. My renewal date was previously the 28th, I let it lapse, then re-upped, and now my renewal date is the 9th. I’ll let it lapse again next month, and then slowly, I’ll keep pushing that renewal date back. Can probably cut out 1-2 months each year with this trick.
I bought mine for $10k in December 2020. I was able to transfer the FSD to my Juniper last fall. FSD is epic. I’ll never drive without it again, ever….
They’re 100% taking jt off because most people don’t buy lifetime and just do sub for roadtrips lol.
Wait…so yall gotta pay for a self drive feature?
I’m an FSD addict. Any manual driving seems taxing. With FSD I arrive at my destination relaxed and rested. Traffic doesn’t bother me anymore. I’m willing to do longer drives. Waiting for the future, where I can just sleep as the car drives
There were multiple emails and notifications on the app too.
If I buy a used Tesla with EAP will this discount be offered to me as the 2nd owner? It seems these dealerships are selling the models with the grandfathered FSD at greedy prices. $50 a month is much more reasonable than $100.
At least you can get it for $49 instead of $99!
I usually only subscribe when I take long trips. Jump in the car and enable FSD, it will work right away.
Because they also took away autopilot for regular driving.
My opinion is wait a year. Tesla had increased and decreased FSD prices. They stopped allowing people to transfer then stated it again. They removed FUSC and Premium connectivity only to bring it back. Things are cyclical and I'm sure it will switch and allow purchases again for some limited time.
Elon needs to hit a certain number of subscribers to FSD to be able to claim his compensation package. This is the result of that.
Agreed it’s amazing for this scenario
I did too and was paying $99 until I purchased it
To each their own, but why would you want to keep an EV that long? The battery will need to be replaced (and who knows how much that is…$18k probably??). The battery health constantly degrades (just like your phone). EV technology is still relatively new, and I think you overestimate its reliability if you presume you’ll keep a Tesla for that long. China already has superior EV tech not available here, as the science is advancing quick. So I say LEASE the Tesla and enjoy the FSD! (Btw buying it outright was $8000 last I checked)
Road trips are where you need the FSD least IMO. Roadtrip means long distance, 90% of that can be done with autosteer only. FSD is important for boring daily commute.
Fed is amazing and really nice but it was 8k for me and I couldn't justify it. I barely ever used the free month I got a couple times except for recently because it fell in line for when I was leaving my hometown and it was great. So I am cool with being able to buy it for when I want to use it... other than that I don't use it enough to justify me spending 8 thousand more dollars on this car. I will say it was really nice this last free month we got, and when I used it a lot.
Yeah, Im glad I bought mine in 2024 before they started doing this.
Exactly. Its nice but it was hard for me to justify 8 thousand dollars when I don't use it enough. Most of my drives are short city drives and I kinda like driving this car. I would totally use it for a road trip though, I just dont do that too often.
I can’t believe people are ok with this constant changing of prices on fsd? When Apple lowered the price on the original iPhone, it created anger because people the day before paid much more, but no one seems to care about the random pricing Tesla does. I’m glad I’m out of this game.
OP you need to follow Tesla news. This was announced by Tesla and reported all over Tesla news sites.
I think that reason right there is why the subscription is a better alternative!
I have EAP but I still have to pay $100 a month, how do I get for $50?
its instant for me, same minute.
yea but the FSD capability at the time you purchased, is quite different than currently. Tesla is spending billions making it better, and pricing it accordingly. Welcome to Capitalism baby!
You’re missing their point. When it’s a feature of the car you assess it at purchase. Car has a camera system, cool feature. sure I’ll pay X for that car I want that feature. With subscription you can’t assess the subscribed item as a feature of the car. For instance, some made up camera system, for example. Car is completely same feature wise with another car but Car A has camera system Car B does not. Car A is 40k car B is 35k. All else being the same is the camera system worth 5k to you. That’s a purchase decision. Now make it subscription. Car A and Car B are identical but A has option of camera system at a monthly cost that can change. You can’t no longer compare Car A price to Car B price with camera system as a feature. It’s isn’t possible. Subscription camera could go for 100/month making it 12k for 10 year ownership. But that could double at any time. Making it 24k. Without confidence the price will stay at the assessed rate at purchase you can no longer compare Car A vs Car B Regarding the camera system option because everything else was the same about them you should choose the cheaper car and forgo the unknown option if price is a driving factor.
I was being facetious. There is no other car that you can purchase right now that has anywhere near the autonomy that Tesla has. I’ve had Comma Open AI device on a Ram 1500 and I’ve had a Ford lightning with Blue Cruise. Perfectly fine if you want to drive down the highway in a generally straight line. I would never trust it traveling from Phoenix to Flagstaff through the mountains. I have not driven a Rivian but I wouldn’t buy it now on the promise that it will gain the same level of autonomy that Tesla has. And I’m not saying I wouldn’t love more sensors. Sure give me all the sensors, but all of that comes at a cost. A Waymo costs significantly more to produce than a Model 3. Radar doesn’t add much to the driving experience that Tesla can’t do with cameras. And you are seeing cars even drop Lidar as well because it’s just too expensive and introducing extra data adds noise and increases the computing power needed. So if you were to buy a car right now and want it to actually do end to end driving then there isn’t a real competitor to Tesla at the moment.
🙄 Time value of money. Don’t buy a Tesla, they’re not designed for you. Stick to a Prius.
In comparison to my Mazda 3 in terms of gas paid and insurance, i’m saving around $1400. So basically I could pay the same amount and also get fsd. If you haven’t tried it, it feels like magic. I do wish there was a year subscription discount.
Yeah you say that until you look at the other EV competitors. You really want to deal with all that other low tech garbage?
If you cancel at $99 a month, can you subscribe at $49 a month?
None of these competing systems will constantly switch to the right lane to attempt to illegally and dangerously overtake on the inside in a lane that's about to end. I find it odd how many of the people fighting hard to defend Tesla in the Tesla subs seem to have their comments/posts hidden and have recently owned so many directly competing vehicles. Not saying you work for Tesla. But it does seem like Tesla is paying a lot of people to post in reddit (or more likely these days, has Grok going at it 24/7). Like these are my legitimate critiques as a Tesla owner, why is it so important to you to that I'm wrong?
6 year old Model Y owner here, I bought EAP for $4K, then immediately jumped on FSD for the same $2K offer you saw. I also ended up transferring FSD to a brand new LRAWD Highland for $35K at 0% APR from Tesla. I couldn’t be happier, and yes I still have the Y. 🍻
So you knobs are paying Tesla money to supervise and train their autonomous driving?
I have HW3 and was never offered $2k or $49/mo
It's instant if you do debit or credit. If you subscribe via your checking account (ACH transfer) it can take days to activate but is still counted from the day you subscribe so avoid that option
I may be wrong 😂😂
$50?! why am i pay $108 with tax
The math: $49/mo is 50% cheaper than $99/mo $2000 full purchase is 75% cheaper than $8000 You should've paid the $2k The way they priced it was asymmetric
Because other cars are getting more capable with "Autopilot" similar features and including it. Also, you can add [comma.ai](http://comma.ai) 's "Autopilot" which is MORE capable than Tesla's Autopilot for $1k. I use AP daily and it does most of the driving for me, not as much as FSD, but enough that I would never spend $100/mo for it. Tesla knows there are millions of drivers like me and that's why they removed AP from their cars now. It's not even available as an option anymore. It's FSD or nothing. So, rather than buying an EV with nothing unless you fork over $100/mo for FSD, I guess some buyers will rather have an EV with good AP, even though they won't have good FSD (probabl for another 5yrs or so). "Autopilot" is fine for road trips unless you're driving up and down winding mountain roads, then you don't need FSD. I see the logic of both sides.
I haven't updated my car cause they also decided to take away autopilot
If we're still in the market to purchased a used Tesla, is it HW4 minimum or HW3 ok?
That is your life now.
You are misunderstanding how technology works. Anything sold for a fixed upfront price that’s dependent on expensive reoccurring maintenance and development is starting up and/or a pyramid scheme! There is literally no possibility you buy a physical cellphone with lifetime unlimited cellular service. They will give the hardware away before that because the infrastructure is expensive and endless in need of maintenance and upgrades.
They sold FSD upfront for a long time prior to a few month ago. To act like it’s simply not possible now, if just not being honest. Will this make Tesla more money? Absolutely. But I’m not worried about Tesla’s bottle line. Your comparison to a smart phone with unlimited internet is one pretend example. Another example is a computer that requires a subscription to get software updates…which would really suck, as normally they are included. But really there’s no reason for flawed comparisons that aren’t apples to apples. Tesla sold FSD outright for a long time, plenty of people have it today. That’s a no pyramid scheme and you desperately “simping” for a multi-billion dollar company is pretty sad.
Right, but now you get... Nothing? I'd rather spend less money, the same amount of money, or even $10,000 more for a car that'll do this lane-centering MINIMUM.
$10k is a lot of months of FSD, which will do a lot more than lane centering.
Wait, is it not hilarious anymore?
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