"tELsA InteRiOr sO bLanD"

To be fair, the interior is bland

What car guy cares more about the interior than the driving experience

You don't need 20 different buttons everywhere. There's a difference between bland and minimalist

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, I like gas cars and electric cars but it’s just one screen in teslas, and I own a model y myself

I need traditional buttons/stalks for the wipers and side mirrors. I absolute abhor not having this in my model Y. Everything else is great!

I drive a 68 vw talk about a bland interior just basics… heater gauges light switch and turn-stock and my Tesla interior has YouTube lol

The ones that can’t drive.

My theory is that the biggest reason people hate screens is because most car companies software is so shit it makes it slow and difficult to find what you are looking for. But since they don't know exactly "why" they hate it they just blame the screen itself.

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Got a Honda and love the new dials for the HVAC controls. I personally don’t care about the size of the screen, a small 8inch is more than fine. I’d rather a small screen behind the steering wheel for basic info like the S/X has if there was that option. And in trade off get smaller center screen and several buttons.

Too bad those cars are going out of production.

If you take a good look at the X it is pretty basic in the rear seats simply because of the way the falcon doors are built in. Feels pretty bland

Tesla's implied heavily that their design direction was more of the "we'll take care of you. Just relax. Don't need to touch any buttons" style. Which would work if autopilot is standard in all their vehicles.  Now they're raising prices and making it an add on. I'm waiting to see how the market will react to this.

I’m curious to know what do you need for your side mirrors?

Car guys don't love the EV driving experience though. EV's are not very engaging to drive even though they are fast, and are not great on corners coz of their weight. I do enjoy EV's, but I do think EV's are a bit boring to drive.

I don’t miss having a display behind the steering wheel tbh. It’s not necessary

adjusting them while driving

Big screens are distracting for sure, and while I don't think it is much of a hassle as I don't change a lot of settings while driving, it is suboptimal if not dangerous to fiddle thru the options while driving. You can use voice commands - they are not the fastest, and don't always work. Rotating the AC knob for temp, pressing radio buttons for different channels or sources are much faster than going thru the screen.

I don’t understand what people do with their cars that requires a lot of things going on. Isn’t it like, go in the car, drive, out in the car. What else are you supposed to do?

We’re keeping our attention on what’s happening around us. If I need to adjust a mirror for any given reason, I don’t want to dig thru a menu for it, taking my attention off the thing I want to adjust the mirror for.

It's amazing how y'all rationalize bad design lol No I don't want to hear about how much better it is to adjust HVAC vents and open your glovebox through a screen. These are solutions in search of problems

I believe the term is minimalistic

*While* driving? Since we've had our Teslas Model since 9/24 and Model Y for about 2 months) , we haven't adjusted the mirrors since we configured our driver profiles.

… it’s literally two to three button presses and accessable from the primary dashboard.

They just don’t like change. Model 3 corners amazing the weight of the battery is offset by the fact that it dramatically lowers the center of gravity u can turn as hard as tires will allow and the car stays planted. And then the acceleration out of a corner is amazing. It’s very engaging and responsive if u drive it on the edge. I think “car guys” just don’t like the fact that it’s not challenging and there’s no build up or project aspect to it.

Adjusting a side mirror...while driving. Others just must have very different driving practices than my wife and I do.

Nor do I.

I must be driving wrong because in my 25 years of being a driver I've never once adjusted my side mirrors *while driving*.

i was a buttons guy but the UI was so good that not only do i not care about that any more, i question why i would even need a display in front of the wheel

I was looking at a thread earlier today and they were hating on screens and it turned into a Vw and Kia bitch fest. I Homer Simpson’d into the bushes.

Why though? I’ve set mine one and haven’t touched it for years as it’s saved to my profile. Tesla added custom mirror position when in reverse last year (took them long enough…) that is saved to your profile. I wish they allowed custom position when in park instead of a default that is clearly designed for LHD even for RHD markets. Edit: Also, it’s only 2 presses in the menu. I’ve seen some cars where it’s 4 presses.

The acceleration out of a corner is very nice but the cornering itself is mediocre compared to a lighter vehicle. I would rather say it’s good for its weight class, which is a heavy sedan. This is on the stock MPS4S tires, haven’t tried racing tires on a track. On canyon roads in CA. Only had one case of rear wheel slip ever.

Most of em lol

Seen people say the new Lexus ES interior looks like a Tesla and at that point I lost the last bit of hope I had for internet automotive discourse

You can set the glovebox to your left scroll button if that’s truly something you need to regularly open while driving

Yes, this is the answer. Tesla gets shit on just for being Tesla, but the screen should not be lumped in with the rest of the dreck out there.

Yeah, that’s absurd really. People complain about buttons and their use case is changing mirrors while driving? Crazy.

Model 3 performance's weight is 4,000 lb, whereas cars like civic type R, golf R, etc. are well within 3,300-3,400 lb. When you are braking hard, taking a corner, etc., all of the extra weight comes into play, even with regen braking, etc. The tires are pretty much the same size, and they are working so much harder with a heavier car. So is the suspension. Drive your car hard for some time, and it will also overheat much more than gas cars. You're right abt the car guys not being able to mod these is a big gripe, but engagement comes from working with the car by choosing a gear, experimenting with what works best in terms of using your driving skills vs. just pressing the accelerator and brakes. Which is why even with automatic transmissions, people want to use paddle shifters to choose their gears instead of relying on the car to decide what's best for you. It's a bit like using a food processor to chop up vegetables vs. using a fine knife and your knife skills. The food processor may provide better results sometime/most of the times, but you can achieve higher quality output using a knife, and also the results you want

is having a screen in the middle of the car necessary? i think seeing the speed you are going is nice to know and i like it to be strait in front of me

putting a tablet in the middle of the car and nothing else is the cheap route. its a cheap interior. but its a really fast car for the money.

Bland now. Revolutionary when it first came out. Now everyone is doing it

I can’t tap the screen without looking at it. Just like with keyboards. I don’t need to look at it when I type on a conventional keyboard. But on my phone or iPad, I have to look where I’m pressing. anyway, I solved a lot of this stuff with the S3XY Buttons.

I have a new body model 3 and yes the interior is terrible quality of the leathers is so bad. steering wheel is rock hard like a go kart wheel. And seats don’t compare to anything in its price range but that’s not why I bought it

THIS

I've come to appreciate that I can get in any tesla and instantly find everything in the same spot. not the same for knobby cars who update their button location with many being unlabeled or hidden from view.

That’s understandable (it’s a touchscreen after all), but why the constant adjustment? What makes the angle of the mirror off for you? For me personally, the only time it may be slightly off is if I’m wearing a thick winter jack. In that case I just adjust the seat a notch and I find I’m fine and it’s more about the reach to the steering wheel. Then next time I’m in the car it’s back to original position as I may not be wearing the same jacket.

In 4 lane traffic or parked on a busy street or merging from an exit ramp into traffic or for any number of reasons, I need to see further left than the side mirror’s default position. Would much rather give it a quick nudge while looking at it than use the touch screen. That’s all it is. No biggie.

It's all computer

Aren’t you supposed to do a head check by physically tuning your neck during a merge instead of relying on the side mirrors in those exact situations?

I don’t get it. That’s part of the appeal, right ? That’s light saying a Lamborghini is a bit too loud and flashy

They know why, It’s not that hard to understand. physical buttons mean you can operate on muscle memory and tactile feedback and never have to take your eyes off the road. Power to you if you don’t care about that but we don’t need to pretend Tesla is objectively correct and everyone with a different opinion just doesn’t understand teslas brilliance

>Tesla is objectively correct and everyone with a different opinion just doesn’t understand teslas brilliance Im not saying that, I have used other cars before Tesla, I driven a Honda, Mercedes, Porsche and BMW all in the last 2 years. Their software is genuinely ass, the screen is unresponsive and it lags making it harder to actually get to the screen you want. Yes physical buttons would be better in your first point but it isn't helping that other automakers are putting subpar UI into their vehicles.

My left eye is pretty fucked. Mirror works better for me.

Please compare with cars in the same segment.  How can you compare a model 3 with a golf and complain it’s heavier.

I have a Tesla and 2 weekend ice cars a I somewhat agree. The Tesla platform forces you to do everything on the screen, which makes it less confusing, and what others call bland, I call a clean Look. It’s a look that works on the car. Other brands mix and match screens and physical buttons and it gets more confusing, but I do think physical buttons to functions you use a lot while driving is still superior, although Tesla has some important ones covered on the wheel. Personally I think luxury brands today look WAY too busy and I prefer the Tesla’s “bland” look. In the end it’s not a big deal, you get used to each car and how it works for you, people that can’t are just not very adaptable or just love complaining.

I don't even think it's the software or the laggy computers in some brands. the biggest complaint i hear is that you have to be actively looking at the screen to get anything done. And I fully agree with that complaint.

Civic Type R, WRX, Jetta GLI, etc. Only BMW M3 is heavier for some reason, but even that does better on track

The interior is extremely nice.

Ofc my friend, it costa almost double.  It’s fine 99% of tesla performance owners will never take it to the track.  Same as ICE engine users

I’m a car guy and I sure do love the ev driving experience. Not sure why you’re panting with broad strokes. Every one of my car guy buddies who’s driven my Tesla has enjoyed some aspects of it. It’s a great car to have in the fleet for a totally different experience

The interior is part of the driving experience.

I could car less about it being bland, I'm not thrilled about 70s vinyl seats.

Yeah I am not saying it's bad, its power is unrivaled for the money. I am just saying that it does feel a bit numb after a while as there is not much to do in terms of driving. Car guys don't like automatics also vs. the manual because there isn't much to do there also. I think there is something about a gas car - the feeling of starting the engine, being able to rev it to your liking, hearing it, etc. An EV just goes and goes fast - which is a great experience, but it lacks the other aspects. You can change lanes, overtake, etc. without even having to think in an EV, something you cannot do in most gas cars. Tesla's also don't have any wheel slip/ tire squeal, which is also a bit of a bummer for driving enthusiasts.

The whole existence of tesla is the simplicity. Which is what I like.

Congratulations on your achievement

You seem like a grounded, even-keeled person, and I hear a lot of your points as a convert. That said, the Model 3 Performance has track/drift mode and will hang tail and liquify the rear tires no problem. In track mode it's a pretty playful, intuitive, and responsive platform. Yeah, it's not a spec Miata, but in the class of spicy commuter cars (Golf R, Civic SI, Hyundai N, etc) it is the absolute best bang for your buck and the ONLY ONE that can be properly RWD and drive like one. [an example of many](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udN-4yv4Js&t=13)

Some guy said 4 percent take rate on FsD sub , crazy low

To me, the interior is undestracting which allows me much easier to focus on what's outside the glass.

They're inferior to buttons and knows, and are probably less safe

Most car guys live by the adage that driving a slow car fast > driving a fast car slow. Yeah, the acceleration is nice, but its kind of meh in the long run.like go karts are super fun at 25 mph because you can drive them like an absolute maniac

I have a few manual cars.. ive worked on BMWs for 20yrs for work every day. i do understand what you're saying. My m3 is awesome for every day driving, though, and beats the pants off any manual. Automatics suck so bad it hurts. The single speed doesnt have the downsides of automatics, no painful gear hunting/shifting to get power. my 6spd manual bmw 5-series used to have that crown as best ride around town comfort wise. it still rides a bit better than the tesla suspension wis.. but as an every day car around town, the tesla is hard to beat because its so smooth and easy to drive in traffic. To go have fun the manual is fun, but its so much slower even though i would have rated the 530 as pretty decent before.

Yeah I agree that the Tesla is the best for daily driving and manuals of course are slower than even their automatic counterparts. I do think though that you are not using all the power of a Tesla most of the times, whichever model you might have, and flooring it most of the times will definitely get you some tickets. You could floor your manual car though and cover the same distance in the same amount of time maybe. You can drive your Tesla fast at night without anybody noticing coz of the lack of sound...that's a big plus too.

You're right, but I think most people don't have the performance variant of the 3. Is this you in the video? Really cool!

You're right! I had never even looked at a Civic Si closely given its low to avg horsepower, but lately I have watched some videos and I can appreciate why it has such a big fan following! I think if Tesla can program some simulated gears in there like the Ioniq5 N, it might satisfy some of our cravings ;)

instant torque is definitely addictive if you're into cars and driving. its a whole new experience. that being said, im lucky to live in a part of the country with lots of space for parking and storage, so i have 7 super varied cars/trucks in the family fleet that i maintain and get to drive whenever i get an itch to scratch i pick whatever feels the best

Nah, I wish. I've mostly stuck to painting the back-lots in industrial parks. I'm not talented enough to pull that epic sweeper off.

I have the same face when I meet a car guy

14% is the stat I saw.

Autopilot was standard in all vehicles until a couple weeks ago. You must mean FSD? And what price increase do you mean? FSD was $199 a month not that long ago, and is now only $99

I don’t mind the screens, I just hate how they look on most new cars. Almost like they forgot to add it at first then just glued an iPad to the dash. Tesla, bmw, Honda, just about all of them.

Car guy here. Tesla screen is good, latency, usability, etc. It’s the other brands copying and failing to make a system that even remotely performs without lagging. Borderline dangerous on some cars. *cough cough* Lincoln Navigator, Subaru, GM

They are right. My biggest complaint with my tesla is the bland-ness of the interior

It’s a complete nothing burger once you get used to it being just to the right of the steering wheel on the display.

I need to ~~update~~ correct my misconceptions then. Thanks for the information!

I thought the same thing until I drove the cyber truck. 😂 But I understand what you meant, the handling is very different and when you add in regen braking it can be a learning curve.

Cool! Steer by wire and all wheel steering can be quite an experience!

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Because it puts important info right in front of you without making you look away from the road? Speed, blind spot camera, navigation stuff it’s all right there. That’s literally why HUDs exist. With a normal gauge cluster you barely move your eyes to check something. With one center screen you’re looking further off to the side, even if it’s quick. It just makes more sense ergonomically. There is no world you can convince me that removing the buttons was a good idea for climate control or glove box opener etc

You're the only voice of reason here, it's crazy how much they glaze poor ergonomics

realistically what normal car has navigation or blind spot cameras in the gauge cluster? 90% of people probably do not ever look at the gauge cluster, the only useful stuff it shows you is your speed and your MPG. Sure it'd be nice to have a Model S cluster but most normal cars don't have it like that anyway.

Thanks! Coz I think most UI fans here are also fans of MacOS where you have 2 do tons of two and three finger swipes and move your mouse across the screen multiple times for basic tasks ;)

Yeah, I wish they kept the way the 2012-2021 model s did it. The right scroll wheel was exclusive for adjusting the right side gauge cluster and then used for ac temp, fan speed, display brightness, or whatever you set it to at that moment. It was physical with minimal intrusion into the ui. I miss my model s but I will say, I love having my ice miata. Both a dream cars for 2 different reasons.

no, i'm saying that i realized none of the information in a typical gauge cluster is actually critical when you're driving, including the speed. i set everything to auto for climate and it just works. i never needed to use the glove box other than put in my annual insurance because of the huge spaces in the center. everything else that i actually do use are on the physical buttons of the wheel or stalks.

Idk for me I used the new 2025 Mercedes with that big EQS screen and even that was laggy and the software design was so ugly.

Even in the EQS???? My experience with an 2022 E-class hybrid was generally pretty good in regards to smoothness and design, and it had all the physical buttons I needed, so that was a good experience overall. Sad to see that the experience is worse in newer and more expensive models.

Yea my dad just bought one last year, dont get me wrong visually the entire interior blows away any Tesla interior by a large margin. But for the tech part and the screen itself is just so bad for a luxury car.