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I hope... especially considering Rivian may be making a splash with their new R2 soon...
Just give us an extra option.. I'll pay for it and they make some extra bucks from some people. Everyone wins
You’re joking right?
no
Not really needed in my opinion.
It would be a good change but honestly I have an instrument cluster I bought for 200$ and paid someone to install for another 200$ that does the job. My only complaint with it is that its 30hz compared to the 60hz or more we are use to on the main display but its almost never an issue for something thats mainly there to display the speed.
No.
It also has blind spot warnings without having to turn your signals on, it was annoying at first but after I got use to it, its legitimately a huge improvement on my experience. Pretty sure you can turn it off to.
That would be cool…
if they removed the turn signal stalk, this is unlikely. the interior seems to be getting more autonomy-focused, so this feels like the opposite direction.
Lol no.
Sadly, realistically I don't think so. The discountinuation of the S/X and the lack of options is just for cost cutting. So no, sadly I don't think so.
I think anything is possible, and if it’s part of a package upgrade that costs more, then it’s definitely possible.
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Don’t need it. Especially using FSD at 98%.
I would love the instrument cluster, steering yoke and steer by wire. All things that no Tesla has all in one.
Unlikely as there goal to reduce for costs with 3 and Y.
If the robots catch on (😂) they will disappear the 3/Y also.
Even if you pay for it, more SKUs are more expensive. Tesla has dominated because their cars are legos which are super easy to put together
I originally went to Tesla to look at the X and the instrument cluster was part of what I disliked about it and made me get a Y instead. The steering wheel for me cut right across it and I couldn't see it well. I thought I would miss the heads up display of my previous car, but don't miss anything except the real leather seats.
I had an X loaner last week in service, and really warmed to the idea of having an instrument cluster again because it made the interior feel more “complete” but eventually disliked having to scroll through the instrument cluster with the scroll wheel to click on a start for auto park + the minimized visualization so yeah it has pros and cons.
No, they're pretty much done with cars. Tesla wants their cars to be autonomous taxis, they aren't adding driver features. If anything, they'll remove them.
It genuinely was a typo, I can’t even edit the title but you’re the first to catch it lol
Yes, it’s possible. It’s also possible that the sun doesn’t rise tomorrow, but it is unlikely.
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No, not likely.
No thanks
I agree, the single screen works just fine for me.
As neglected as S/X software is because of this - you don't want it. I have to use my scroll wheel to select a parking spot for Autopark, then click it in to select. The touchscreen experience on 3/Y is much better.
And they still can't even do that right.
Most are ugly and block the vents.
I’d rather have a HUD tbh
After the loss of the federal tax credits, Tesla probably isn’t looking to add production cost to these vehicles.
Why would they do this, which would drive the cost of manufacturing the car up, when they're trying to reduce cost to sell more? Maybe in a future model that doesn't have the center screen.
As a Model 3 owner, I’ve never felt like I wanted this. A heads up display might be cool though.
Honestly it is less likely now than ever. The reason the S/X are being discontinued is partly because of the focus on building autonomous-focused vehicles, which an instrument cluster is nearly pointless for.
I like the full screen viz on the main display, so hopefully NO.
Nope. Tesla does not care about cars. They make these utilitarian vehicles and will either need to drastically reduce price or be eaten alive by soon to arrive competitors (rivian).
HUD and better seats on the 3/Y would be nice.
Why would Tesla add driver-oriented features to their Future Robotaxi vehicles?
No. Tesla is about efficiency. The best part is no part, as Elon has said. They will only continue streamlining production.
Hope not mandatory if so. That was my least favorite part of S|X loaners I've driven Much prefer everything all on one screen.
Honestly i don't think so. The no cluster design feels intentional not just the cost thing. If they haven't added it by now it's probably not happening....
Yup. That's why you have fewer choices with everything unfortunately. Cost controls. Good side and bad side to that.
Yes they will make one. You’ll have to subscribe to use it.
that’s also bullshit because additional options are usually so overpriced that they easily cover additional complexity even for cars that don’t order it.
That’s what I learned the hard way on the loaner Model X I had and it was annoying TBH.
Add it to the performance model.
I don't think it can even be an option seeing as how the whole dashboard would need to bee replaced/ redesigned
Maybe? Unless someone is an insider how are we suppose to know? But my guess is highly unlikely, why would they?
No. Absolutely zero chances. Tesla is removing as much controls from the cars as the regulators allow. Not adding.
No, the interiors are designed around having one central display. If they went this long doing it, I don't see it being something they walk back like the yoke or turn signal buttons.
I'd rather have a dedicated wiper controller...
And completely redundant because a third of your central display still has the driving info on it.
The whole point of the 3/Y is minimalism. I hate anything in the way of my view, steering wheel included which is why I went yoke.
It was always possible, but probably unlikely.
Default drivers screen is an essential to grow the business IMO
I don't know why you think the existence of the S/X has anything to do with whether or not this would be offered as an option on the 3/Y. Tesla didn't put "we must have a vehicle with an instrument cluster" in the business plan.
Why not both?
Totally unnecessary. Also, the center screen is never blocked by the steering wheel.
Rumor has that they will remove the windshield all-together because it will self drive
Am I the only one that thinks HUDs are gimmicky? I have one in a BMW and it's neat but I prefer the alternative.
Tesla can simply put a thin instrument cluster into the air vent kinda like Xpeng P7+ 2026. It’s very clean.
Probably not. Although a plaid model 3 would be a nice upgrade in a few years :P
This has to do with Tesla's model of trying to offer consistent pricing for everyone vs. dealership model where you negotiate with each dealer. This may be counter-intuitive at first, but basically the way it works is that Dealer's submit their "order choices" to their local car distributor, and the car distributor sends this list to the car manufacturer to decide what combinations of options to get. The idea that the customer has direct choice in the options combination choice is a misnomer in traditional car makers, and what really happens is that the car marker has already made certain combinations, and you try to find the dealer who has xyz option. Versus Tesla is a direct ship to you option, but they also do a bit of the traditional dealer/distributor model via. inventory models.
Tesla's #1 problem is cost control yet maintain appeal. They will never add a duplicative value item like this and increase cost.
Wouldn’t bet on it
No
Exactly, its a computer on wheels, not a practical vehicle.
Why would they? Their goal is to save money and make robots
I'm a big fan of the interior design. I struggle a lot to find a good seating position and not having the instrument cluster needing to be visible is one factor less to take into account. I've never missed it.
There are 3rd party offerings, but yes, Tesla could potentially offer it, but its not something that bothers me very much.
NO I doubt it , the cost prohibitive. Compare a 40k to 90k no sense
No , if you can afford a 60k then buy a S way better the 3/Y . Even the CT dual is way better than S3XY.
Owner MYLR 2021 and CT dual foundation life time SC
Oh, it annoys me no doubt. But even simple options of existing items you don't have. Why can't I have a wheel choice with the M3 Performance? Why can't the even match the headliner to the rest of the car interior? Annoying.
I like how clean the dash is. A hud seems like the best way to keep my eyes straight while still being able to see some relevant info and keeping the dash super clean.
Unfortunately, I doubt it. I think Tesla is simply exiting the luxury car sector altogether. It’s a shame, too, because my 2023 Model S took everything I loved about my old Model 3 and dialed it up to 11. I think the S/X just didn’t sell well enough to justify the overhead associated with the production lines, parts manufacturing, etc. If I recall correctly, they only old like 12-14k units of the S in a year worldwide. May be slightly off on that, but main point being, the 3/Y sell like hotcakes while the S/X barely sold at all. It’s kind of cool knowing that I got one of the last model years for the S, and I have no intention of ever getting rid of it, but eventually the car will give out, so at that point I’ll either have to “downgrade” to a newer 3 or look elsewhere if I want a higher end luxury car. The Tesla ownership experience has me pretty brand loyal, so it’s disappointing to know that if I want another Tesla in the future, I’ll have to forego some of the features I’ve come to love in the S.
Why, the computer handles all that shit. Im just sitting there waiting to be allowed to read a book or work on my laptop.
please no
I mean the next most popular EV after Tesla is the Equinox EV. Go to Chevy's website and build on. The huge array of options and packages you can combine is just nuts. Probably hundreds? GM actually has Tesla beat on one thing when it comes to the Equinox EV - all Equinox EVs have the same battery and same front drive unit and the AWD version adds one in the rear. While Tesla has two battery sizes and multiple drive unit configurations. But once you get into all the other stuff GM makes it so complicated. So many different possible parts they could install on the same base car while Tesla has two - the standard interior and premium interior. And in raw parts count the difference is even more insane. I can get in my Equinox EV and touch like a thousand different parts. Buttons, switches, etc. Or get in my Tesla and touch a big screen that does it all in software. That's not just a huge savings in parts cost but R & D as well. A software engineer can write a function to do something in 2 minutes. While GM has to design a whole bunch of physical stuff AND the software to make it work. Edit: I just asked Grok how many permutations there are of the 2025 Ford F-150. It told me there are about 74 physical configurations and over a million ways you can confiugre one!!
I never missed the instrument cluster behind the steering wheel on my M3SR and M3P. You just get used to it and you start appreciating the clean look.
No need for it with FSD (beyond current screen) - They will push FSD instead.
No for the reasons eveyone has already stated. If you want an OEM instrument cluster front Tesla, your only option going forward will be a Cyber Truck. I guess that's another strategy for selling them...
They’re all progressive steps towards removing drivers from the equation - so unlikely. It’s moving towards robots an cabs, not more “driver friendly features”
I'll take this vs a rear screen
I think it’ll be more than a splash. It’s a tsunami
I hope not. I don’t need something adding to the cost or complexity of the car. Single screen is clean and works well.
There are aftermarket ones you can buy and install pretty easily. Even just a simple HUD that is projected onto the windshield would be amazing. I'm honestly surprised they haven't added it on as an extra yet, as it really is easy money.
I hope not. Such a step backwards...
Yes, some people did. But the S/X are being discontinued. There will be no more Teslas with an instrument cluster. The UI work so much better with the instrument cluster moving the left panel off the main screen. Sad that is gone now.
The volumes are high enough to support more SKUs. Make it expensive, add a few other technology extras that people want. I'd easily pay a few thousand for an instrument cluster, 360 camera, and some other small extras.
How Tesla responds to the R2 will decide if I go with them again for my next EV. To me, I like Tesla for their EVs and if they're transitioning into pursuing A.I. and robotics, I'll look elsewhere for my next EV.
S3XY Dash is your solution
Wow )
If r2 steal significant market shaker, Tesla may be forced to add an instrument cluster.
No I see that Tesla is just holding the production line. I see that based on the robo taxis production, they would bring back model S at least. Model X would be refreshed and we're pushing it to a VAN cum pickup model.
The likelihood of getting that is lower than Elon remove the steering wheel for future model 3/y
No
Elon musk made it very clear that there will be NO instrument cluster kn 3/Y.
Nope.
Slim and none… and Slim just left town 🤣
No and after driving an S after having a 3 I would not want it. The steering wheel gets in the way of everything. Made using the parking overview annoying. The middle placement is perfect. Wouldn’t be opposed to a HUD.
No. There was nothing stopping them from doing before other than cost, and they aren't going to jack up the production cost of the Y or 3 for that. Ostensibly, they are winding down retail car sales in hopes of moving to autonomous car service model. If they can just crack self driving...
I absolutely love the heads up display when I had my BMW’s. The only thing I really wished is that you could’ve used different navigation on the heads up display than BMW’s.
I hope not. I hate driving my wife’s X compared to my Y. Number 1 issue is the touch to auto-park is moved to thumb wheel selection. Gross.
I hope not.
Why would they come out with cars that can do 0-60 in 3 seconds and have a track mode?
I hope not.
There’s really zero reason to need this screen. A HUD would solve the biggest issue most people have which I seeing their speed. Even then, it’s extremely ready and nearly in your line of sight. There are also super cheap aftermarket options to show you your speed in front of you if you wish.
I hope not. I hate it.
Isn’t Chevy losing money on every EV they build?
I'm driving an X loaner right now. Got in, automatically locked into the center display, nothing but Nav. Where's the speed and all and other info?, oh yeah, there's another screen that's mostly blocked by the steering wheel. Yoke solves the visibility but that really only works with a one turn lock to lock steering system. I'm completely happy with the 3/Y/Cybertruck set up.
No.
I really hope so… My best friend has a Toyota Avalon currently, but is interested in Tesla for his next vehicle (which might be a while). However, he absolutely hates the “stapled on” iPad look of the 3/Y, and the fact that there is no instrument cluster. He much prefers the overall look and functionality of my Model S (and obviously, I agree)… Not only is there an instrument cluster, but the center touchscreen is actually elegantly molded into the dash, which just looks way better than a floating screen. (Which looks like someone took a cheap TV and just bolted it to their car… Very ghetto tbh) Not putting a screen (or at least a HUD?) in front of the driver is kind of ridiculous IMO, and it’s going to stop a lot of people from transitioning to Tesla
Seriously… (I mean, I get both in my Model S, but I’m basically the only one ever in my car, unless my best friend is with me in the front passenger seat. I don’t see why the sedans are offering rear screens that nobody is ever going to use, meanwhile the driver in most of them can’t even see what the car is doing without taking their eyes off the road)
Is that your only complaint? The Autoparking is terrible anyway… I literally never use it lol (despite using FSD all the time). Sometimes, it doesn’t even park in a valid spot. Other times, it mostly gets into a spot, but it isn’t straight and/or centered between the lines. Maybe most people don’t care, but I take pride in parking correctly every time. I want my car centered in the spot, even if there’s no other cars around. I can’t ever see myself using the Autopark until they give it a serious upgrade
I don't even want it. I have so much visibility. When I drive my legacy ice cars the gauges are just in the way.
Supposedly they're at least breaking even on a per unit basis but as a whole still not profitable. But that's one of the points I was trying to make, Tesla is the only one that's ACTUALLY profitable and the simplicity and lack of customization is one of the reasons why.
Yeah right. Them adding something useful and not increasing the cost. Laughable.
Nah, thats not all. - Didn't even have FSD for months after buying the car in June 2023 (HW4) - The blind spot camera thing was delayed on S/X while they figured out how to put it in the drivers display. - There's still no way to see FSD viz on the big screen. - Can't tap the speed limit on the screen to change the set speed. - Energy consumption screen took *years* to port from 3/Y - Still no album art / media controls on the driver screen, even though legacy S/X had. Still wouldn't go back to a 3 or Y though... not that I have the choice anymore... and I don't care if it parks like shit as long as I'm in the lines 😂
No chance
Everything’s computer?
Because it adds cost.
Tesla adding hardware costs? Are you new here?
I just called Elon and he said best he can do is another display in the back by the Trunk
Hopefully not!
Not having those features to begin with was a turn off for me, along with everything being only controlled through the touchscreen. I bought a PS2 instead that did have all those features and do not regret it.
They've dominated because they were the only ones actually doing self driving and they've cut costs to the point that the cars are minimalist to the point of boredom. If it wasn't for the electronics and the fact that they're EVs they probably wouldn't have the market they have. I love my model X but having to add physical buttons with S3XY buttons and power front trunks and everything else that you have to do aftermarket shouldn't be necessary. They also just completely just deleted any of the upper level models. Usually car companies have at least one luxury model and it sure as hell isn't the cyber truck.
Forget a dashboard. Give me a real hud. I still think it's ridiculous that the otherwise most technically advanced vehicle you can buy doesn't have a HUD.
https://www.enhauto.com/products/s3xy-x-standalon
that’s just American model, in Europe you have online configurator, you pick any option you want and you instantly see the price, you either print your configuration or send it by email to your dealer and they will order it from factory in your exact configuration for the price you saw on website, very little negotiation room. They can offer you similar vehicles they already have, benefit is that you can often get deeper discounts and have the car right now, but you absolutely can order from factory any configuration you want at price shown at website. It’s misnomer only in US.
People are still not getting it. Tesla is going all in on autonomy and robotics. They don't care about these consumer facing features anymore.
I hope so! they should add it to the cybertruck too....
The advantages of a HUD are in human anatomy... using some optical magic, enables the HUD picture to be created with much longer focal distance. Not 80cm from your eyes, meters instead. This is much easier on the eyes, which don't need to accommodate that much. Not really an issue when you're 20 something... What's more, today brands push the HUD technology to the extreme: project things like navigation cues, map etc... That's gimmick... Give me a HUD with current speed, speed limit and cruise status. Nothing more.
Fewer choices? Last time I shopped round for cars , nothing came with the feature list of Tesla. Want heated rear seats? Oh that's this "pack" at £8000 Want full rear camera? Oh that's this "pack" including stuff you don't want for £4000 Tesla come with pretty much everything built in for everyone AND you get almost all new features without having to buy latest model.
I bet they bring something else for s and x only 3 and y also doesn't make sense
car will drive itself 😛 you don’t need it and also the steering wheel
Then add that cost to the cost of the upgrade? If someone wants the upgrade, they'll pay for it.
No clusters means my MSP is my last Tesla, I puke when I drive a car without instrumental cluster
Hey. I just bought one. I love my Tesla. Yes, they are feature rich. But they excessively limit car configurations. I understand why they di it. But they do. Headliners are a perfect example. Black interior? You still get a white headliner. Seems they are starting to address this one. Silly they don't match from the start.
Easy: Ring robotaxi
Possibility but not likely, the instrument cluster is a gimmick anyways. 50% of the screen is blank usually if you don’t have FSD and aren’t using the navigation Also adding this to the model 3 / Y would add a lot of headache / cost to Tesla
Hope not. A simple HUD might be nice for speed and directions but it’s not really necessary and a cluster would spoil the interior
The cost to develop ~30-50 different parts and the molds would outweigh how many they would sell. To make a profit on it they would have to price it extremely high since they’d have to change the internals of the dashboard, wiring harness, and other trim pieces in the area, the pricing would be too high for it to be worth it for anyone to buy.
THIS. Give me full screen navigation. The visualization is useless information for me.
No joke had to take my wife's in yesterday and the loaner is a m3p and has a stalk for just the turn signal. I have a 2024 m3p , no stalks as expected and even the buttons on the wheel in the loaner are different. Freaked me out but also notable that they are still on the fence it seems
Why should they do that?
I don't mind the gauges being in the center screen but I'd love to be able to minimize it to get full screen navigation with the speed, etc. just tucked into a window on the top driver's side corner.
I hope not. I hate the FSD visualization on that small ass screen and it sucks trying to select a parking spot with the scroll wheels. Plus it’d ruin the minimal vibes
I doubt it, one reason to discontinue the X/S is to not have to software develop for dual screens anymore....
No. They want everything to be autonomous
They took away ultrasonic sensors, passenger seat adjustment controls, stalks, radar etc to save a few bucks No chance they add an instrument cluster
LOL. NO.
I have aftermarket one. I like it a lot.
I hope not. Had an S Plaid as a loaner for two days and couldn’t wait to get back to my Y. I like the unobstructed view of the road.
And it adds absolutely nothing, but obstructs the view of the road that is so great in the 3 and the Y. Also, I hate having dash light in front of me when driving at night.
You gotta splash before you sink.
And it doesn’t even exist yet!
Useless
That’s why Tesla sells millions of them.
LOL. 🤡
LOL. Yeah, Rivian is finally going to be the Tesla killer that is the elusive Holy Grail for you trolls. Sure. 🤡🥱
It should cost less. It adds nothing to the 3/Y except a road view obstruction.
What would HUD add? All you really need is the speedometer, and it is readily viewable in the upper left hand corner of the 3/Y touchscreen.
Why?
To steal market share, it must first be produced.
Not if you have a yoke on the 3 or Y https://preview.redd.it/8zq4mpn73kkg1.jpeg?width=1311&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a4862498d5ebbde745c0625fd11d8bf82ffa45b
Toyota Avalon.
Not useful in the least. Maybe you should drive a 3/Y and realize why.
You forgot the /s.
No, the approach is clearly more like; - 2012 “We must have a grille and instrument cluster in our EV to avoid being too alien for pioneers considering moving to it from how ICE cars look” - 2016 “Now we can remove the fake grille to save money and improve efficiency as people are sold on EV is better than ICE” - 2017 “Now we can remove the instrument cluster, stalk, air suspension, etc., to get to mass market pricing, and call it the Model 3” - 2020 “That went great with the 3, so let’s make it taller to be basically the stripped out X and call it the Y” - 2021 “Now we can remove the RHD option for Model S & X as it lets us increase production capacity for other models and such countries can make do with the Model 3 & Y” - 2026 “No point competing with Porsche, BMW, etc., who will keep evolving premium cars when we can stop Model S & X manufacture to repurpose the facility for something else” Since 2024 they respond a little to Model Y & 3 competition to help retain sales, and that is because they need to get these cars everywhere since unsupervised FSD is taking longer than planned. However, they still didn’t add drive instrumentation even despite virtually every competitor has such thing. They are banking on self-driving, which doesn’t need such component cost overhead. As FSD becomes good enough to get regulatory approval, they can take over the pay-per-ride market. Then they don’t even need to convince anybody to buy their cars if they don’t want that hassle. They can just make them and put them straight to use as daily revenue earners. They make computers on wheels, and computing is already substantially converted to being SaaS-based - Microsoft 365, PlayStation Plus, Xbox Game Pass, EA Play, etc.. Tesla already show their intent to move in that direction with subscription FSD, connectivity, extended warranty, windscreen cover, wheel & tyre cover, insurance, etc., starting with countries like the US and inevitably ultimately going worldwide. Maximising income *per mile* is ultimately the preferred operating model.
I agree. Was looking at the S3XY dash before I bought my model Y, but realized immediately I have no use for it.
Cluster is irrelevant in an autonomous environment.
What headliners are no longer an option on 2026
No. Reason: it messes with the assembly line production. even if wiring harnesses were there, it would require service centers manpower they don’t have nor want to invest in.
They can put the turn signal stock back but not make it a wiper control is annoying. If the auto wipers worked this wouldn’t be an issue
Huh? I don't understand your question. I was pointing out that when purchasing a Tesla Model 3 for instance, you get a white headliner, no choice , regardless of your interior color. Now they are starting to ship matching headliners I believe on the newest models. But not historically, and not all at present.
But that's my point and their design style. Too many options and you drastically increase costs and time to produce. This hits the customer. I had to Google "headliner" to find out what you were on about. So I guess if wanting to design different options and willing to lose full feature set without paying for each addon and option, then I guess non Tesla is a better fit. BUT I do not want Tesla to start creating expensive add on packs making the car prohibitive or ending up with me having less features.
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