People who’ve been in accidents or gotten traffic tickets while in FSD: what happened and what was the outcome?

Lol, the driver is responsible full stop

You’re 100% responsible for whatever the car does on FSD. That’s why it is “Supervised”.

With current regulations, FSD engaged/disengaged doesn't really matter If FSD causes an accident -> you are at fault If an accident occurs and you would normally NOT be at fault (i.e. someone crashes into you), you will still not be at fault with FSD engaged

What is there to get a clear read on? Anything that happens while you're in the car is your fault.

The verbiage is pretty clear in the fine print.

I’m pretty clear on that, my question is more to do with the actual reality of driving with FSD. It’s not perfect obviously. I just wanna know about people‘s actual experiences.

Nobody has actually answered the question yet

I got a ticket in FSD once, it was doing 71 in a 55 on a backroad. Told the cop I was in FSD so myself and the car are both idiots, he laughed and gave me a ticket lol.

What's not obvious? You as the driver are responsible.

FSD is amazing however I was rear-ended while using it on the highway. The car slowed down a bit too late in my opinion, however the car in FSD preformed like any other car would have, and I truly believe I would have been rear ended regardless. I have to supervise FSD, especially when it is dark out. HW3 M3 2018

Nothing, everything, normal things. It’s exactly the same as if you were driving. Nobody really cares about it (for now…)

It’s like people are choosing to see a different question, and answering that one instead lol

It is supervised driving, not unsupervised. You don't get to blame anybody but you if you are the one behind the wheel and you get into an accident or you are speeding, or whatever, while you are relying on FSD.

Lol! At least everyone was a good sport about it. Would you say FSD has made you a better driver on the whole?

What would be different than getting a ticket or in an accident in any other car, what are you looking for here?

Help us here You asked "People who’ve been in accidents or gotten traffic tickets while in FSD: what happened and what was the outcome?

But it works 100% to get out of duis. They don't even pull him over anymore when he leaves the bar in autopilot because they know he will be fine.

I'm sure it's happened but I don't think it's possible for me to get a speeding ticket with fsd.. It drives like a grandma, many times at or below the speed limit.. This is in standard.. Now accident.. Cause it's driving so slow people may hit me, it's actually avoided 2 objects I have not seen or noticed.. Today it was a pedestrian.. Car stopped I was like wtf.. Then a dude walked across the road... Around town to avoid accidents I've had to kick it to hurry.. The average car on the road where I live drive +8-10mph over the posted speed limit, even in a school zone. On the freeway standard and then I never have to worry about a cop pulling me..  But as I'm in the driver's seat.. I would think the ticket would come to me and I would pay it through the normal channels.  It will come to a complete stop.. Wait 2 seconds and then move.. This can be annoying in a city where 100% (- I guess fsd) people doing rolling stops. I have done about 4k miles in fsd and I think sometimes it drives better than me, sometimes it's hurry up car.. Or... Why are you making this choice.. It's pretty rare I take it off fsd to take over. I'm about 92% of my driving on fsd.

Pretty clear. If you were in an accident with FSD, what happened? Did the car merge into another car? Did the car not see stopped traffic and rear end another car? Did FSD not see a cyclist and hit them? I’ll help OP out. Was on FSD in a 55 mph zone. It was going 60. I was eating a breakfast sandwich. Road work on a small stretch had not begun yet but they put up signs for a very small half mile reduced speed to 45 mph. FSD didn’t read the 45 mph sign and didn’t slow down. I got pulled over. I did NOT tell the cops I wasn’t driving as I thought it might annoy them so I just said I was sorry and missed the reduced speed sign. They let me off with a warning. Lady cop told me I had “kind eyes,” probably wanted to smash. lol

Not the question OP asked

I got a speeding ticket on FSD once going 46 in a 35 right as the speed limit changed. The car was actively slowing down when I was clocked. Tbh I probably would have gotten at ticket going even faster if I wasn’t in FSD

I passed a school bus with flashing yellow lights but no stop sign out. I was paying attention the whole time and mildly curious that if/when the bus driver put out the stop sign would FSD stop? (as FSD typically obeys stop signs) The bus driver never pulled out the stop sign so FSD never stopped….and there just so happened to be a cop on the other side of the school bus that immediately turned on their lights, made a 3 or 4 point turn, and proceeded to pull me over. I got a $250 ticket and didn’t mention FSD. I did. Ask about the stop sign not being out and he said “everyone knows you stop for a school bus with flashing lights.” I took my ticket and drove off in shame…but turned FSD back on.

I assume you're asking if it will break the law? If you set the speed over the posted limit, for example, and get pulled over, you have no recourse.

Fsd, depending on setting, will speed fast enough to get a ticket

Did FSD give you an edge to look behind more intently had you been paying attention? Or did FSD cause you to become complacent in driving defensively?

She, in fact, did not want to smash.

Is that a confusing question?

It's pretty hard to get in an accident with FSD it will actively avoid other cars better than most humans but tickets are a different story it loves to speed..

FSD has hands-down made me a much worse manual driver.

I think everyone assumed that OP was stupid and didn’t understand the law. OP wanted to know how many of you have gotten in accidents DUE TO FSD. I have a 2019 model 3 with basic autopilot and it’s never caused an accident but nearly gotten me rear ended on the highway and surface streets from phantom braking. Usually with cars parked on the side of the road, harsh 11am-1pm direct sunlight, autopilot has confused the shadow of these parked cars protruding into the road for actual cars pulling out and I’ve had some upsetting full slam on the brakes incidences. They are always at low speed like 10-20mph but they are scary enough to get you trained to take over quickly when you begin to sense it getting scared of a shadow. 2 years of driving and no autopilot accidents, mainly use it on the highway in traffic or 80mph. I’ve luckily just quickly stepped on the accelerator those times it’s phantom braked, but maybe a less experienced driver might get rear ended from a full stop on a dime out of nowhere. Car has great brakes and traction control btw. Hardware 4 and newer models apparently have it much better. Basic AP accounts for 50% of my Driving according to the app.

Even the car was laughing at you

74 in a 55. I didn’t even mention FSD because it doesn’t matter.

It's supervised FSD...so it's still your responsibility to make sure nothing goes wrong.

I was driving on the freeway and a crate fell off a flatbed as I was driving by and took out the passenger mirror and some other minor damage. I disengaged and called the cops. The driver played dumb. If it were not for the dash cam I wouldn’t have been able to prove what happened.

Thank you! That’s what I’m looking for. Honestly, I drive a lot in my job, work from multiple sites in a single day, and I eat a lot in my car. So the idea of being able to safely eat a breakfast sandwich while driving would be me living my dream 😝

100% heard that in Ron Howard’s voice

Thanks, those are the kinds of stories I was hoping for. I guess it’s impossible to completely eliminate the risk of getting rear ended. I wonder if FSD has any tricks for that kind of situation, like acceleration if it’s safe?

Asking the real questions!

I drove my wife’s car to a destination an hour away and experienced how much mental load I have offloaded to FSD during the last few months. I have never really enjoyed driving, though. FSD makes me want to travel more.

Did you tell the cop you were in FSD? Do you think the fact that you were driving a Tesla contributed to the cop’s decision to ticket you? Like if it had been a 2018 Honda Accord, would he even have noticed? Because on highways in Connecticut, 11 over would be slower than the stream of traffic. Cops would be impressed that you’re only driving 11 over.

You are not responsible if the other driver is responsible.

Sir, would you like some FSD to go with your FAS? In seriousness, it would definitely be safer. You’ll never get my support for drunk driving ever, but I guess FSD plus alcohol is the lesser evil. When FSD is actually unsupervised and widely adopted, getting smashed and going for a cruise really shouldn’t be a problem, since the “driver” would be a passenger, and passengers can be drunk in cars all they want.

The other driver is not responsible if another driver is, or an Elk.

I forgot how to park the other day, took my life five minutes to figure it out again.

I said the same thing. Was planning on selling or trading in my HW3 MS for a Tacoma or something similar, but couldn't live without FSD lol. It removes that little bit of friction from things, and makes me want to go out and do thing more. I ended up buying a new MY and transferring the FSD 😅

I'm totally just joking I'm almost 11 years sober lol. I am very ashamed of it but I did a lot of drinking and driving before I got sober. By some miracle I never got a DUI. I definitely would have been using the auto pilot when drinking and then tried to use that as another excuse why I can drink and drive.

Flashing yellow is “proceed with caution”, flashing red, with or without sign extended is “stop”. Might be worth contesting especially if you have the dash cam of the event.

It’s the mental offloading I’m looking for. That and the ability to safely eat a breakfast sandwich while driving (per another comment above)

It’s pretty big of you to admit that. Even though you were joking, I think you touched on a valid point about the potential risk mitigation for people who are still struggling.

🤣 Same here - my judgements are suddenly trash!

Funny mine just drove me into a pothole and popped a tire tonight. You're SOL.

Tesla hasn’t be “politicized” for over a year now…………

What do you want to know? Yes, it will speed. See it on Sloth or chill if you don't want it to speed. Usually Standard sticks to speed that are above the speed limit but are unlikely to get you pulled over. Accidents? Keep your eyes open, I haven't had the car actually need me to take over to prevent an accident in the last 12,000-13,000 miles but I've seen video of others who have, usually at relatively difficult interesting or roundabouts. You are completely responsible for any damage or tickets.

What exactly are you asking? If it messes up and you don't stop it then it's your fault. If you put it on mad max it will go above the speed limit and if you do that in front of a cop you will get a speeding ticket. Sometimes it still messes up and especially on HW3 and if you don't catch it before hand and you damage someone else's car that's also going to be your fault.

Assuming you are getting a HW4 car it works fine for that.

Or a beaver 🦫

What kind of question is that? If you thought about that for less than 5 seconds you can figure it out for yourself without having to ask Reddit?

It's because it's a stupid question. I'm really starting to think that the Tesla subreddits are some of the dumbest people on the internet.

Seriously though, the police can't even pull you over if You don't violate any traffic laws. If FSD just drives you straight home, stopping at every stop sign and staying within the speed limit. The police can't stop you so they won't know you were drunk.

You should have tapped your screen to save the video for court. You would have won.

You pay your fine, fix the cars and other stuff from your insurance and hopefully not get jailed for careless driving

How is this a story about getting a ticket or being in an accident while using FSD? You just described what happens in any accident.

Yeah, I’m looking at a 2023+ model Y. But I’ll definitely be checking to make sure it has HW4.

I’m just so floored that’s so many people didn’t read my question, like, at all. Is this where we are in society right now? People just look for keywords that make them feel emotional, and that’s what the text says?

You got it champ

I’ve had it actively avoid getting hit twice recently. The other day, this (angry) driver behind me started swerving into my left side, while in my blind spot. I didn’t even know he was doing it. FSD quickly but smoothly swerved to the right, out of the way. It was pretty awesome. Another time, a couple weeks earlier, FSD swerved (in busy traffic) to avoid an oncoming car who came halfway into my lane in front of me, as my car blinkered left and was getting ready to go left. I think in both cases it could have led to an accident, and FSD performed like a champ.

Because we have two drivers and only one car with FSD, I still have to slum it once in a while to keep my driving skills up. FSD + Me makes a better driver than I ever was alone. Me alone is probably slightly worse for the first 10 miles, but then my neural pathways recover.

It's pretty clear that the driver is 100% responsible.

It's still SUPERVISED - which means that you are responsible for what it does, and you are responsible to override it if it does something unsafe.

I am literally dying at how many people took the time to type some variation of that sentence, when it’s still not what I asked.

FSD did an illegal u-turn and I got pulled over for that. I didn’t tell the cop anything about FSD since it wasn’t relevant (as others have said). FSD is driver-assist from a legal standpoint. You’re still the driver responsible. In this scenario, sign was clear as day and I missed it too (I watched the dash-cam clip while he ran my license), so I told him exactly that and he let me go with a warning.

Judge said “the code hasn’t caught up with the tech” and gave me a texting ticket years ago

Thanks, that capability is something that is ABSOLUTELY worth paying for. IMO if you consider the harm that could have been caused, the injury, the cost, etc., $100 a month seems trivial if you’re a regular highway driver.

lol like you can’t eat a breakfast sandwich in a hw3 car 😂😂

Oh I like that. But I’m sure traffic court would LOVE to hear that argument /s

Man, the ability to just have a super reliable dash cam is almost a reason enough to get one. Was it otherwise safe to make the U-turn? Like, were there oncoming cars or anything?

Smash vibes were high

Why is it a stupid question? OP is asking if you had FSD on and got pulled over or got into an accident, what happened? No where did OP ask about ditching responsibility or anything like that, but it seems to the question people are answering for some reason.

I’m not sure if people are just not reading OP’s post or what. He’s saying if you got pulled over or in an accident with FSD turned on, what happened? Did FSD accidentally go down a one way street the wrong way? Did FSD phantom break or stop for a yellow light it could have gone through and you got rear ended? Did FSD not register the proper speed limit and you got pulled over? Did FSD accidentally change lanes and side swipe another car? What was the result of this? My example above was I had FSD on and the speed limit reduced to 45 mph for a small stretch. FSD didn’t register the speed limit change (screen still said 55 mph) and I was pulled over. I didn’t tell the police the car was driving itself because I thought they would get annoyed and be harsher on me. So I said I missed the speed drop and I got let off with a warning.

He’s asking for real world examples. No idea why this is so hard for people to understand.

Not what they asked

Ya ya. We know that.

I didn’t really have a chance to tell him I was in FSD. He told me almost immediately that he clocked me speeding and I also had dogs in the car that were being annoying so I didn’t really contest it. This was a speed trap, at night, through a small town so they were pulling everyone over. I don’t think the car brand had any effect on my chances here. Yeah on highways you are fine as long as FSD is moving with flow of traffic. My situation was one of those country roads that drops down from 65-35 for a short distance when you pass through a town. It was actually in Los Fresnos Texas on the way to a starship launch, so I’m sure the cops knew what they were doing. This is the only road out to the island and they were clocking every car that went through

That’s such a pain in the ass. You’re right I don’t think FSD would’ve saved you if they were basically setting people up to get pulled over.

I bet the new dashcam feature that shows speed and FSD would help you get out of wrongful speeding tickets though. I have no idea if I was actually speeding or not when I got this ticket before

**WERE** you using FSD?

It's NOT a stupid question. My thinking is the OP wants to know if, and under what circumstances, did FSD get you a re ticket? It's like has anyone ever actually had a rear end collision because of sudden unexpected braking? So far, I've seen only one response where someone got a ticket, and that was where there was an obvious revenue generating speed trap.

Rewatching the video the flashing lights are yellow (win!), but they pulled the stop sign out when my car was maybe 8 feet away, as I was passing, less than a half second before I completed passing and saw the cop. Way too late for me or FSD to react but might have given the cop/judge a leg to stand on if I took it to court. I kinda wish I had taken it to court now that I hear all your responses and know the difference between yellow and red flashing lights now. Far too late now tho. It happened like a year ago and my insurance already went up.


Yeah, I agree. As far as tickets, if you use Mad Max (maybe even Hurry) mode, I could see getting a speeding ticket especially on highways. In light traffic, Mad Max will routinely go over 75 in a 65, getting into the 78 or 79 range. In residential areas, it will sometimes go 5-10 mph over the speed limit. So just pick your FSD driving mode carefully. Standard mode is pretty good at staying fairly close to the speed limit, maybe few miles over sometimes.

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Tell me more! Seriously, do I need HW4? I’m trying to keep costs low, but considering the FOMO that HW3 owners are having, and the lack of an upgrade path, I’m thinking I should go for the higher level.

I wouldn’t but thats up to you. Get on Turo and rent a Model 3 with HW3 for $100 for the day and you’ll see if you like it or not. I’ve driven both and I 10000000% don’t see the point today in spending 8k more for it at all.

What the post above said, driver responsible

So maybe nobody understands what you asked…

I mean, yeah I guess? I asked for situations where ppl were using FSD and got a ticket or were in an accident. But I guess almost everybody expected the question to be about whose fault it is, the car’s or mine? Instead of just reading the post, numerous people just repeated some variation of “you’re still responsible even with FSD on”, which I already knew.

Yeah, only 1000 people have said that. It’s just that that wasn’t my question.

I guess maybe ask your question a different way 🤷‍♂️

Such as?

I don’t pay attention to the politics around Musk. The Tesla brand is really good. You’ve driven the cars, you know. I’ve not been in an accident in my Tesla so never had any confrontation anyone. FSD is really good, and improving. I think it is luck of the draw if you get an a-hole who wants to make it an issue

7 months, none and none.

Reading comprehension is hard, pretty sure you know liability is all yours. Mine ran a red light after it stopped, got a red light ticket, paid the red light ticket

Hw3 or 4?

Hw4 when it was v13. Hw4 v14 also has done it too but I disengaged before it runs it.

If you must, try FSD for a month for $99, then you'll say "Thanks dude for saving me 8 grand"

Quite frankly driving sucks. It is over romanticized with imagery of speed and carefree freedom, but most of is mundane drudgery, anger and fear inducing mishaps and a false sense of security and safety while in your steel and glass cocoon. FSD has made (imho) incredible strides toward makibg a daily commute or long highway trip safer and more manageable. Which equals better

It drives very well...keep paying attention tho. But it makes the driving experience so relaxing. People often argue, if I have to pay attention, whats the point? The point is, like other AI tools, you still have to make sure its right...but you'd not want to go back to hand-writing every line of code, or an email or an essay; its the same thing here...you wont want to go back to doing 100% of the driving.

I honestly became more comfortable driving FSD, looking back at the dash cam footage I would have been hit regardless. FSD has actually dodged more accidents than anything!

If one travels or commutes a lot it will cost some money but a decent radar detector will give you such peace of mind. Not 100% for sure, but a bunch.

Received a ticket because FSD went 10+ in “hurry” mode. What was the outcome? Deal with the ticket as usual because they don’t care. How does it affect my usage of FSD as an outcome? Well, i have to keep it in chill mode or sloth mode now, which is really annoying. It’s annoying because it’s not just a slower max speed, but drives like a grandma. I guess that’s okay though because I don’t have to drive. It’s like taking a taxi. Just deal with whatever speed it’s going because at least you’re not doing any of the work. I can also just leave the house sooner. What really kills me is that I’m driving a car full of cameras and sensors that often sees things *way* before I do, yet Karen is doing 20+ in her manual driving car with a phone in her face. The Tesla has been extremely safe and impressive on v14 that it’s actually really hard to pay attention because it’s so boring. It’s like asking your passenger to pay attention and notify you of anything they see… nobody wants to do that. And it’s been so safe (knock on wood!) that it’s incredibly boring to monitor. But cops and judges don’t have Teslas, they don’t understand the tech, and are people of strict laws, so they don’t care. Not that I’ve ever bothered to try describing the experience.