Gonna be interesting to see how long it is made to wait compared to Cadillac
I would be very interested to see that happening, China has incredible engineers.
I mean if they purchase an existing team like Alpine for instance then it will be quite exciting considering how much of the world’s EVs are made by them
Article text as its hidden behind paywall: BYD Co. is examining options to enter competitive motorsport including Formula One and endurance racing, in an effort to boost the Chinese brand’s appeal globally, according to people familiar with the matter. The automaker is looking at several options following its rapid growth outside its home market and competitive racing’s continuing shift toward hybrid engines, the people said, asking not to be named discussing private information. These range from the World Endurance Championship, which includes the 24 Hours of Le Mans race, to F1, either through building its own team or potential acquisitions, the people added. Any move by BYD would be a rare direct attempt by a Chinese manufacturer to take on a sport dominated by European and US teams. Carmakers from the country have had sporadic interest in motorsport. Geely successfully participates in international touring car racing through Cyan Racing, formerly the Volvo factory team, and Nio Inc. won the driver title for the inaugural Formula E electric championship in 2015. The potential costs of entering F1 could be a significant obstacle for BYD, according to one of the people. Developing and entering a car often takes years of negotiations and costs as much as $500 million a season. No decision has been made and the company may not decide to enter any competition. A BYD spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment. BYD, known for making affordable electric and hybrid vehicles, is trying to broaden its appeal by expanding into luxury cars. In 2025, its high-end Yangwang brand tested its U9 Xtreme vehicle at a track in in Germany, recording a top speed of more than 308 miles per hour. BYD recently overtook Tesla Inc. as the world’s top seller of EVs and has been the face of China’s aggressive push into Europe, Latin America and other major auto markets. An F1 partnership would also significantly boost awareness of BYD in the US, though the company currently doesn’t sell cars there, largely due to high tariffs and market restrictions. The sport itself is experiencing a surge in US popularity, fueled partly by the successful Netflix series Formula 1: Drive to Survive and an increase in races in the country. The head of the FIA, Formula One’s governing body, has been vocal about welcoming a team from China. In an interview with Le Figaro last year, Mohammed Ben Sulayem said a Chinese manufacturer would be the next logical step for the sport, following the arrival of Cadillac. Popularity in China F1’s popularity in China is also growing, following the return to Shanghai in 2024 after a five-year absence. Zhou Guanyu became the first Chinese F1 driver in 2022. The new F1 season began last weekend in Melbourne, Australia, with the next race in Shanghai this weekend. Existing teams tend to be resistant to new entries, with any new team diluting prize money and potentially also valuations. This year is Cadillac’s first season on the grid after years of negotiations. Buying into F1 is more common. This season is the first for Audi, after taking full control of Swiss motorsport company Sauber. Investor Otro Capital is currently seeking buyers for its stake in Renault SA’s Alpine Racing Ltd. However, full team sales are rare. Billionaire Lawrence Stroll’s Aston Martin team has recently sold stakes in the team, which has had a disastrous start to the new season after mechanical issues including vibrations from the power unit. Motorsports such as F1 are increasingly adopting environmentally friendly practices. For 2026, F1 has implemented new rules, including hybrid power regulations that boost battery capacity. The World Endurance Championship is another racing series that utilizes hybrid vehicles
Yeah, we’re never going back to V10s.
They’d be better off in formula E and having a prototype at Le Mans then going all in on any ICE based racing series. I’m all for more manufacturers getting into motorsport but the right manufacturers who aren’t going to force their business “needs” into the sport
Most likely imo would be to buy into part of a privateer team as a title sponsor with some technical input, have for example BYD-Williams before fully committing to buying/going through the process to add a team
Can’t wait for the all electric regulations
Bloomberg published this? Yikes. Talk about using a whole bunch of words to genuinely say absolutely nothing. Car company has internal discussion around marketing their cars in the car world.
approved by the end of the week
BYD is pushing hard into hybrids. Which fits current and previous era of F1 like a glove.
Sort of like Toyota with Hass now then.
I'd be shocked if they managed a twelfth team buy-in over an Alpine buy-out
Yeah this is the whole article: \>No decision has been made and the company may not decide to enter any competition. A BYD spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.
Not sure if I see BYD going into F1, but it won't be long before they join some prolific series
F1 would approve BYD instantly
I'd be very surprised if they did anything outside of endurance and Electric
Is it me or does it not actually say anywhere in the article that they are doing this? It's just someone surmising that they could
Shouldn’t they look more into FormulaE if anything?
In the next hour likely
Man most people in this thread are either Americans or quite unfamiliar with BYD's offerings. While their EVs are talked about the most in the US, they are definitely investing hard into their DM hybrids. Hell, they were the latest manufacturer to develop a boxer engine.
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Everyone’s welcome as long as it’s not Andretti.
"No decision has been made and the company may not decide to enter any competition. A BYD spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment." Yep, pretty much, that's why I think it's important that people read the full article, it basically says nothing.
Fucking nuke the track from orbit
The reporter just made up a story, then send an email to BYD, then slam all public known news and shit. Boom, shocking news.
Great news. F1 should bend over backwards for these kind of manufacturers and ask them what kind of crazy regulations they would like to see us all watch.
For me FE is a better fit but F1 can work too. They are also selling PHEVs aside from BEVs so they can totally advertise their Super DM hybrid tech in F1.
They wouldn’t turn down a manufacturer especially one from a market with a lot of potential growth for the sport. “Cadillac” was initially refused entry because it was just Andretti with a promise of GM coming in 2028. They only said yes after GM went all in
Hybrid sure but going straight to the top of those series makes 0 sense coming from what is a technology company first and a EV manufacturer second. Throwing money at the problem might help but they don’t even have an ICE engine (they stopped production of their only ICE engine back in “22) to use or build from. So it just seems like a great way to grow to big; bite of more than you can chew; then have a disdain for motorsport hereafter. Best to learn how to walk before signing up for 100m sprint at the Olympics
They're racing this week.
That’s on brand for Bloomberg. They employ people like Mark Gurman
>they stopped production of their only ICE engine back in “22 Where did you get this? They literally just finished developing a new turbocharged boxer engine. Also, in this extremely battery and software-heavy era, BYD fits quite well.
It does say people familiar with the matter so all it probably means is that someone at BYD has been assigned to look into this.
Yep, their Super DM tech is something. I got a Destroyer 05 a few months ago for ~$21k and it's a very comfortable drive.
And also one new street circuit in China F1 management: *simply lovely*
Sure but you and I are "familiar with the matter" of a manufacturer assessing their options in motorsport. I don't think that's necessarily an indication of any plans.
Cadillac didn't wait very long at all. it was Andretti that was denied and who kept coming back. As soon as the bid moved to Cadillac it was only a few months
Are they looking at buying a team/ partnering with an existing one? I could see them going the ford route and partnering with Mclaren
It's not only up to Liberty Media/ F1. The teams have to agree to it and for that to happen they would need to be convinced their was more money in it for them with BYD in F1
I would be surprised if this came to anything. I know they're massively pushing their hybrid tech alongside their EVs but I can see more chance of them entering FE or WEC than F1.
Thats because the engine manufacturers will never sign off on it.
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With Palantir as their Official Surveillance Partner
Should be easier, I think current F1 is setup to allow for a 12th team rather easily. Although I see other potential Interested folks too. Think of Genesis (Hyundai/Kia), Toyota (could take over Haas ofc). An outside shot would be Peugeot, BMW and Honda wanting an own team. I think Genesis would want in as well since theres no Korean representation.
Makes sense seeing as the FIA seems hellbent on turning F1 into FE
I agree. Best time for them to be here and F1 would accept them with open arms
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinas-byd-ends-combustion-engine-cars-focus-electric-2022-04-03/ Having a google around regarding their boxer engine. I can’t find anything outside of graphics and marketing on this, nothing substantive. But I’d agree in this current ruleset their input could help, would be good for them to start off as a battery/software provider for F1 to get that data first. Interesting times we live in
Of all the places to put a street circuit I honestly wouldn't mind China
FE will have a full 12 teams grid next year as Opel coming with brand new team and Porsche will field it's second works team.
And a growing threat of anti-trust investigations from the DoJ.
No, even when GM committed they were still facing massive issues.
That's because the new engine is China only for now. They just released it in their new Yangwang U7 sedan for now. I think BYD sees F1 as a good way to increase its brand perception. I see them taking the Audi route, buying an existing team and mainly contributing on the power unit side of things. I disagree with people suggesting Alpine as a choice, though. If anyone buys Alpine, it would be Geely. They already have a working relationship with Renault through their Horse Powertrain JV.
And finishing ahead of AM?
China bad.
Can’t be worse than the US street circuits
What the f*** is DM.
Just buy Alpine and put them out of their misery
While this is true, from what I can tell BYD (as well as their upmarket brand Yangwang) only make serial hybrids, where the engine is purely used as a generator and has no gearbox to allow it to directly drive the wheels. F1 uses parallel hybrids, which do have a gearbox allowing the wheels to in theory be directly driven by the engine, electric motor or both. In other words their battery technology could be very interesting but at minimum they'd need to partner with somebody in order to have a gearbox, because as it stands their cars start with an electric motor and are functionally CVT automatics, both of which are explicitly banned in F1. They'd also probably need to partner for the engine itself too, as theirs are purely meant for generating electricity and so don't need the torque curves required to actually drive the wheels.
Or BYD could just buy Alpine.
No, their new boxer engine, while primarily functions as a generator, can also send power to the wheels under specific conditions (heavy acceleration being one of them probably). Their DM-I systems work like as well. They are series-parallel hybrids. With how important engine harvesting is in this new era, BYD's experience in this area could be pretty valuable. But yes, I agree they have to learn how to build a racing gearbox. Perhaps they can enlist the help of people like Xtrac to do the development for them.
I don’t think the chinese market is a hard sell for most teams.
They do more hybrid that people think. Thry inly recently developed a new boxer engine for the Chinese market.
Wasn't it reported that F1 and FIA rejected Hitech entry because they want Chinese F1 team?
Wow, Formula E is so dead they didn't even consider participating in it... AND THEY ARE AN EV COMPANY
Watch F1 increase the electric power even more to lure BYD in xD JK, What happened to the Pantera Asia team who expressed serious interest before even 2022.?
18 one story elevation changes
I think you’re making a generalization. Just because Americans don’t import/use BYD doesn’t mean they don’t know what they are. Anyone who knows anything about EVs knows who BYD is.
McLaren's road division owner has a 20% stake in BYD's competitor NIO, as well as deal for "technology chunks" as they are calling it So I don't see how they could partner with BYD
They only said yes after GM brought FBI and DoJ with them lol
lol. More likely Tesla powered by BYD.
Yes, but not everyone knows about BYD's ICE development. Why would they? Western media almost exclusively report on the EV side of things.
Didn't know that. I just thought of all the non-works teams, Mclaren might be the most enthusiastic one to get their own engine. BYD could also go with cadillac
It's interesting that a company that it's mainly an electric car company will choose F1 over Fe. Of course, the main reason is marketing, and in that sense F1 is ahead, and uncatchable. Tho I guess BYD has focused more recently on BEV and PHEV which is increasingly the way F1 is becoming.
There's an American, Chinese, European and middle Eastern company in the mix. You seeing China = bad vaguely, is you honing in on the Chinese part.
You’d be surprised how much media coverage BYD gets in America
Cadillac will be running GM engines from 2029
I’m sure Flavio is brushing up on his Mandarin and buying some crates of Moutai as we speak to give BYD an offer they can’t refuse for Alpine
Yeah but they could partner up.
Well, there's a new agreement now, Cadillac took time because they wanted to enter through the old one (and thus pay less). Right now, with the deal freshly inked, is probably the easiest time for a 12th team to enter (assuming the upward trajectory of F1 as a business remains, ofc).
I like this but unfortunately due to safety regulations they won’t be in the American races
GM and it's associate brands are competitors against BYD in international markets including China and Australia, so I don't see that either
I mean, it's true that the EV part gets most of the coverage, no? Like, BYD's charging advancements gets tons of press, but their new DMI 5.0 hybrid system almost gets none.
What makes BYD more appealing to FOM than cadillac?
Lmao Chongqing GP. One understeer and you're thrown 22 storeys down.
Now that F1 is turning into formula e they feel the time is right eh? lol
Money. Lots and lots of money.
The Chinese market is fucking ENORMOUS.
I just went and read about it and it and you're right, it does seem to have some kind of parallel connection to the wheels. Of course that's probably achieved by a CVT or even a a single gear ratio (reviews for cars with this system don't mention any kind of gearbox like they do with the 330e and Superb iV) so they still have a lot of work to do if they want to get anywhere near F1.
Hopefully not. We want V10 and not electric crap
Well that only leaves Alpine(who just ended their engine program unless BYD buys the 24% stake that is currently on offer), williams(who already have other problems) and hass(but they might partner with Toyota). So, unless they a buy new team, don't see anything else
I mean like I said, they can get some very skilled people to build them a gearbox, like Xtrac. Collaborations like that aren't anything new in F1 right? Haas famously work with Dallara on their chassis.
There is apparently ongoing talks between FE and BYD but BYD still seem apprehensive in committing at the moment due to having no racing experience. The main rumour at the moment around them in FE is they could potentially partner Penske and become a technical partner, as Penske want to develop their own powertrain. However, this won't be until a couple years into Gen 4 as Penske haven't committed to that yet.
Better them buying Alpine than Toto Wolff
dual mode, its their phev
GP Shanghai wen?
atleast one of the teams will have their energy deployment on point for sure
No it's just BYD being discussed here tacked on to a bunch of companies that people don't like. Great comprehension.
an electric car company joining a series that is going to have v10s in 4 years is *crazy*
Macau F1 Grand Prix...
mazapin “i’m outside in my byd 🎶”
For what it's worth they are considering FE and have done many sponsor activations at FE races. The problem they have with FE is all 12 team licenses have already been used up for Gen 4, so their only way in is a partnership with a team. Apparently they've been in dicussions with Penske on a potential technical partenrship with their Gen 4 powertrain(as have other manufacturers), but that likely won't be a couple of years in as Penske is still deciding when to use their own powertrain.
Indeed. They are but one of many companies, people don't like. Great comprehension.
No they only said yes after they dropped Andretti
Yup. FWIW Cadillac was originally an Andretti bid.
It’s a thought of an idea. Just Journalists making up shit.
Agreed
Gonna struggle. Their cars are build like crap but they are cheap so people like them and their hybrid systems are licensed from other car brands if im not mistaken
That is the tradition way in. Buy an existing team
who's we? the engine manufacturers sure as hell dont
Why though? Their whole gist are EVs. Would the cost of financing a F1 team compensate the returns in brand awareness?
One street circuit and one parking lot.
I remember I saw a post in the Formula E subreddit earlier this week where everyone agreed BYD should enter Formula E lol.
It is not as big as Americas though
Aramco and Nestlé fighting it out to see which of them has committed the most amount of human rights violations. We truly are *racists*
Honestly, it's just sad that Renault has let this happen to it's team.
And I'm fine with it. V10 is solved. This is an engineering series.
Palantir using their high speed drones for exciting track? More like surveying the audience for wrong think
Hong Kong track including bridges
Cadillac was allowed almost as soon as it went from Andretti-Cadillac to Cadillac-Andretti lol
more eyes on f1 though
Reddit likes to think it’s very left leaning but you bring up China and it becomes worse than Twitter
The brands in F1 already have a very significant US presence, Audi sells more cars in the US than Cadillac for example and there's no real sign that a second US team is going to help grow the market for F1 that much by itself. Plus things went pretty fast once it became a Cadillac venture supported by Mario Andretti instead of a Michael Andretti venture supported by Cadillac. In contrast, BYD bodies everyone else in the Chinese market, the Chinese market has a very underdeveloped sports sector (no NFL or NASCAR equivalents) with a nominal GDP 2/3rds the size of the US, and the Chinese love to support Chinese teams. It's basically a perfect match for what the teams want.
In terms of interest in F1? It absolutely dwarves it.
I think you are misinformed or are referencing on outdated information. They make very good cars these days. Great quality and durability and even luxurious comfort features.
China has more potential
I doubt renault ever fully give up that spot. The sport is profitable now and advertising wise its still the main place you hear alpine
Guan Yu come back confirmed
Right. Go look at their underside and mechanical stuff. Everything is cheap and build to last for a few years
I’m in a lot of home automation/home networking/homelab subreddits and the Pavlovian CHINA BAD takes from redditors avoiding certain hardware brands without being able to explain beyond vaguely mumbling “muh data” is breathtaking to behold
The teams don't really have veto power. There are clear stipulations in the concord agreement about how new teams are added. The Andretti-Cadilac saga could've been avoided if the FIA and especially Liberty showed some backbone.
The “massive issues” being Michael Andretti making himself a persona non grata in the paddock, by publicly petitioning FOM and the other teams during the first Miami GP. FOM and the teams do not take kindly to that kind of attempted strong arming and wanted nothing to do with Michael from that point onwards.
Idk much about BYD. Why are they disliked?
Yes of course because Samsung and Apple famously don't steal our data duhh
Nothing to do with that. The DoJ had nothing on F1, except grandstanding by a few politicians. It had everything to do with Towriss forcing Michael Andretti into retirement and GM becoming the leading party for the entry.
I mean if we take the Americas as just US and Canada. The rest of the Western Hemisphere is huge, and is a place where Chinese car makers have grown exponentially. Especially Mexico and Brazil.
Which were BS.
Zhou was a very mid driver but gained a shit ton of audience from China. A Chinese team would be insanely popular
I only have one sample but my cousin lives in China and owns a BYD seal and he just couldn’t stop saying good things about it. Maybe that’s some owner’s bias.
Would F1 pay BYD a 100 millions, just for a good measure?
I for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords
The teams have to sign up, they clearly do have a veto because they used it.
The racing side would be easily convinced, but not sure about the manufacturers. Is Mercedes going to sell more cars in China by allowing a BYD F1 entry? I would be skeptical about that, doing business in China can be very difficult.
Hot on the heels of Albon taking about how he would like to see an Asian team at the inaugural Thai GP
I’m not really looking to rehash the topic, but I’d just say it’s very reductive to suggest it was “BS.”
Cadillac + their promise to start making engines was appealing, what wasn't was only being Andretti.
12 teams on the grid would be great. And more non European teams would also be great. I wonder if Alpine is really for sell.
Because free trade and capitalism is only good when its working in our favour. We cant have China making cheaper cars than we do , what will all our dearly loved shareholders do !!!
No they dropped the Andretti name entirely
Kinds of topic but what i understand is BYD is trying to improve their brand image worldwide by attempting to join these competitions But for me personally. I think they should try to change their name first. BYD doesn’t gives out any feelings to me. The name itself is too bland
😅 right?! And Amazon, and Google, and meta, and Reddit…
Why is byd in the same list as those other companies?
The problem is they can't because the spots are already full. The FIA needs to agree on opening up the limit to more than 12 teams.
Good. Get rid of a couple of the teams that have been totally uncompetitive for ages.
And then when they inevitably change their mind and want back into F1 it would cost a load of money if they sold now.
Chinese going to offer up BYD if it has to be subservient to Tesla. BYD is a peer now, notwithstanding what the stock market thinks.
We all joke, But there was a story last week about a BYD survivng a missile strike in Jeruselem and ended up mostly intact (dented door and deployed air bags, but the passengers survived). So who knows, maybe a BYD collab can improve the reliability issues seen in some teams.
Team would be based in Europe not China tho.
They dropped Andretti when it was clear that FOM have no choice but say yes. At that point it was about negotiating the terms of agreement.
Yes, BS. The European courts already decided F1 is not a monopoly, but a market player within the market of motorsports, with Indycar, Nascar, WEC and IMSA being competitors in that market. As such F1 doesn’t need to be open about its policy for accepting or rejecting prospective team entries. It is free to decide at will. F1 is not a franchise.
Formula 1 is a hybrid formula and likely will be for the foreseeable future due to Formula E's rights. All power still originates from fuel in F1, whereas in FE all power originates from electrical charge.
they should use the Honda Engine, Build Your Dreams powered by Honda The Power of dreams but in reality it's just a nightmare.
BYD in WEC is a lot more interesting than in F1 IMO
I've called this for at least two years now.. with Guanyu Zhou and Enzo Deligny (Franco-Chinese-American) as their two drivers
Calling it now : they'll buy Alpine in the next two years
This will show that F1 had a problem with Michael Andretti and nothing else. Scumbags
That’s great that that’s what those courts found. Doesn’t mean the DoJ has to accept those findings when it’s investigating an American company (Liberty Media) that has three races in the US, has various financial agreements with US entities, and was blocking an American organization for clearly monopolistic reasons. But you are free to believe it’s BS if that’s what you feel.
In 15 years electric power will take up most of the PU, in 30 we will be watching a fully electrified F1.
Can you imagine the name of the car “Sealion”
Knowing how vastly different Chinese and French companies are run. I don't think we will ever see Chinese executives hiring a bunch of French workers. The work hours in China are intense and people have very strong work ethic. I don't believe they will accept people leaving at 4 unless it 4am.
FOM is a European company subject to European law. Liberty Media is a US company subject to US law, and although they own FOM, they are not FOM themselves.
They will never buy Alpine the culture clash will be too different. They will try to sack the entire French department within months if they do. Long hours are the default there.
Yeah. No. Maybe 5 years ago. Their newest models, especially the higher end ones, have way better QA/QC than Tesla and most reviewers compliment their build quality.
While I understand how teams and FOM might have felt strong-armed, I can definitely see why Andretti went that route. Up until then, F1 kept moving the goal posts for them. "Show you're serious about F1!", to which Andretti responded by building a factory. " You have to pay to get in", to which Andretti responded with an okay to the (then) 200m USD entry fee. "But you're not a car manufacturer, so you won't add value to the sport", to which Andretti replied by getting GM/Cadillac on board. Every time Andretti met FOM's requirements for entry, they were presented with another hurdle. I too would get desperate like that if the terms and conditions kept changing like that.
Thank you for your repetitious user name, it is enhancing my comprehension.
Welcome to the Chinese Century everyone. There'll be others following behind BYD.
Why do you feel this way? Due to the pull of the Chinese market? While having a Chinese team would be great for sport globalization and marketing, BYD has little Motorsport experience. F1 does not want to have a farcical team (unperformative) making the sport looking bad.
I hope Geely would join instead since they can bring the Lotus brand
“Twitter fan accounts are saying…”
And that’s paywalled? Ridiculous
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Do they have any motorsport experience? I’m pretty sure it’s zero. Why would they allow a primarily EV brand jump straight into F1 with zero success, or even experience, in any other racing series? At the very least let them start in FE. There’s dozens of manufacturers out there with real motorsport heritage I would want ahead of BYD.
You are subject to the laws of the country you do business in; FOM does business in the US. Just the same, Liberty would be subject to EU laws if they run afoul of EU laws. There’s plenty of examples of US companies being held liable to EU court rulings. I have to navigate this stuff almost daily IRL. But, taking my own advice, I’m not going to continue this discussion. What you’re saying is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. I recognize you (and many others) *feel* it was a BS threat but that’s irrelevant.
Not to mention the plan to design and build the car in the US (which they didn't do) and their claims they would bring value by bringing big new US sponsors into the sport (which they also did not do). It mostly came down to this line from when FOM rejected their 2025 bid. "...gives us reason to question their understanding of the scope of the challenge involved."
MFs will talk shit about Chinese companies spying day and night yet have an Amazon Alexa enabled device in every room of their house lol.
Are they actually working during those long work hours though? Japan is also infamous for long hours worked but they have piss poor productivity compared to a lot of 'western" countries though (particularly France)
Finally a car that the middle class can afford
Then NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB would all have antitrust precedent cases which would destroy the asset value of a huge amount of billionaire friends of Trump. Not gonna happen
Buying the spot and booting all the personnel is still cheaper than convincing F1 to bring in a twelfth team Also, we don't know what BYD's intentions are: customer program or works team. Considering they are an EV brand, being a works team doesn't really gain them anything over being a customer team. So buying a turn-key program with the strongest power unit makes a lot of sense over developing a program from scratch.
China bad
Nestle and tesla bad. Dont care about byd at all
Those sports all have received lawful exemptions.
I'm all for it let's go, full on Chinese teams in WEC and F1 please
This would be great
Genuinely never knew they made ICEs until this thread.
Can’t receive an exemption under law. You would have to argue that the facts are meaningfully different in how the new entrant was excluded.
Compare the GDPs of Japan vs China. Japan has been virtually flat for 30 years. China has somewhat plateaued in recent years, but has been the fastest growing economy over the same 30 year period. This doesn't speak directly to the work ethic of the people, but does speak to the productivity of the country.
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They don’t exclusively make Battery only. They make a fuck ton of hybrids and, like any of the other manufacturers, want marketing on a global stage
They could just buy Alpine. They seem to be up for sale.
But how many of those dozens of manufacturers want or can afford to be in F1?
A twelfth team buy-in would be pretty easy for them imo. Cadallic didn't bring many perks for F1 when it tried to join since F1 was already huge in the US and there was a US team already. So they were pretty nonchalant about their entry. However, a Chinese team F1. They would at the very least be lenient on the requirements, up to rolling out the red carpet if it was serious. F1 has a growing presence in China and seems very keen on making Asia its next big push. With the Singapore sprint race, attempts to get Vietnam previously and now Thailand as tracks. An Asian team entering the sport would be the key to that.
What French workers? It's all Enstone these days. French people even reject the French team label
Seems that Formula E would be a good fit for them as the series focuses on battery efficiency and endurance. Something that BYD is currently at the forefront of.
its because Reddit is very liberal and centrist, not leftist. liberalism is a center-right ideology.
Yes…you can. The NFL, for example, was explicitly granted an exemption to TV broadcasting antitrust laws as part of the Sports Broadcast Act of 1961. Subsequent rulings have granted limited exemptions to the Sherman Act but fall short of blanket exemptions MLB, however, has the broadest exemption dating back to a series of SCOTUS decisions that are narrowly ruled only towards baseball. For all intents and purposes they’re completely exempt. The default assumption would be that F1 would be subject to the Sherman Act. Only in court could they attempt to argue that previous case law was relevant and they were entitled to the same exemptions the other leagues have.
Or Aston
If you have ever tried to order electronics components from Amazon you'd understand why. Their quality control is really really bad. I've ordered components before where a third of them were backwards. It's also pretty common for there to be undocumented changes to the pinout.
Cadillac wasn't made to wait, Mario Andretti was.
If a product can expand its reach into a large market, you bet they’ll want to try - irrespective of which one is “bigger”.
If, as in this article, we’re just going by rumor, Hyundai and Porsche. Otmar is allegedly trying to enter with a “mystery PU supplier”. This mostly appears to hinge on the fortunes of Alpine, as I doubt many are willing to make the same investment as GM to start from nothing.
I doubt that they plan to build an F1 car in China. Every F1 team except Ferrari is based in the UK. Formula 1 cars are a very specialized market and all the infrastructure, tools and talent are in the UK. You can create a industry in China, and if somebody can do it, China is the place, buy it would cost enormous amount of money and time to develop a F1 car outside of the UK.
Tesla is equally crap
Lots of byds where i live, know what im talking about cheng
Would make much more sense for them to move towards Formula E? They have no to little ICE knowledge.
Unless they become an sponsor of Alpine and the change the name to BYD but keep the same organization I don’t see how this would work. Every team is based in UK, except Ferrari, which based in Italy. Cost cap and the sport works because every team is subject to very similar working conditions, similar salaries, similar regulations… If BYD enters the sport as another UK-based team because the buy an already existing team, it makes sense. But if they are a new entry based in China, they can just hire a horde of engineers, working 996 hours, with Chinese obscure finances… they would be playing under very different rules than the rest of the teams.
Instant approval as this would probably increase revenue immensely and that’s all liberty cares about.
So 75% electric for next engine regs, then?
Just imagine Palantir as a state-owned company and then the PLA as the the other end of that state owned company.
F1 would but they also have to get it by the teams.
I’ve always wondered when a Chinese manufacturer would enter.
I wouldn’t say say… equally they will just poach everyone… that’s the Chinese way.
Only if they sort out the range issues of battery’s
Thought the Alpine factory was in Chipping Norton
That’s a bit reductionist and really not a relevant comparison.
More about the starting points I would say. Growth is one thing when there are loads of gains to be made by copying countries ahead in development. It's another when you've got to forge the path yourself. Even China has seen its rate of growth decline as it has caught up.
Damn. Formula 1 isnt going to be beating the Fornula E allegations anytime soon
You saying that with an Alonso flair in AMR colors is so deliciously ironic.
China Saudi and America bad it looks like lol
That’s 100% down to the vendor/brand and not what country they’re from. You can buy absolutely top tier stuff from Chinese companies, absolute trash, and everything in between. If you’re buying stuff for pennies on the dollar you’ll get what you pay for.
€£¥££€¥$$$€¥£> all the things you listed lol
I fail to see any difference between that and (Palantir, Amazon, etc) being in tight lockstep with the Trump admin. Literally none.
Wait let them cook
And may be remove the evil boss at Alpine.
You say that but that market is extremely difficult for western companies to penetrate these days. There are a handful of exceptions with companies who are already established over there but even then they are giving up market share.
Huge European car market in China
Was there any good reporting on why they hated Andretti so much?
What are they even advertising, alpine barely sell any cars and 90% of the viewership have no idea its owned my Renault
That is standard language for "sources who we cannot name because they would get in trouble". Which is explicitly stated like two sentences later. Is this your first time reading a news article?
Which F1 car are they going to take apart so they can copy it?
What is reductionist is using a commonly repeated anecdote about Japan and bringing it up when talking about China. They are very different countries. China handles large projects more effectively than just about any other country. Their high-speed rail infrastructure is a good example. The three gorges dam is another. BYD as an entity is an example in itself as well. If there is interest in an F1 team, they will probably put a lot of effort into making it as good as they can.
Can't have a worse engine than honda
Japan at no point had to "forge the path" themselves. The United States did much to finance and plan their reconstruction following WW2. They provided technology, expertise, structure, and protection that allowed Japan to hit the ground running.
It still take time to build institutional knowledge. Plus I think Chinese work culture will clash with the F1 mindset.
Meh Japanese work themself to the bone just the same. The difference why Chinese stuff seems to be made by a frantic workforce is actually that they don’t have to operate to earn money but to conquer market share. Be it cars, 3d printers etc. it’s rather easy to develop electric cars if money isn’t a problem, but making a car that earns you actual money is. Compromises take time to develop. Designing around cut corners takes time. It’s like F1 without the cost cap. Ferrari churned out aero designs left and right with multiple test drivers evaluation every little change. Now that money is restricted shit is hard to make and hard to dominate.
Same, I’ve only seen EV BYDs here in the UK
Haas didn't have motorsport experience either when they joined in. It's all about recruiting the right people and having a good infrastructure. Haas used Ferrari's infrastructure, and I think infrastructure won't be a problem for BYD.
Haas has had a championship winning NASCAR team since 2002.
Cool
??? Every European manufacturer in China right now is struggling because all the domestic brands are providing the same quality at half the price.
The "path forging" point is after the wild growth, which was decades after the US help.
Fair enough, but do you think that somehow translates to their F1 "success" ? It doesn't matter that much. As I said, it's about recruiting the right people and having the right infrastructure. Haas had to go to Dallara to build their chassis. You think Cadillac's "motorsport history" helped them, and not all the F1 personnel they recruited? Worse comes to worse BYD can always partner with an existing racing outfit looking to branch into F1 And so what if BYD ends up last? It's the same fate AM and Cadillac are having. And that's alright.
If they hire Horner, I could see it happening.
There’s nothing French except the logo and one driver at Alpine these days.
true but I think BYD could make an offer one of the Formula E teams surely wouldn't refuse. I get if they don't want today though
I heard it got approved yesterday
Still, the fact that a company known for electrical cars is considering joining F1 shows the dire state of the sport
No, we were never going back to V10's and it's naive to ever think we would. Still, F1 should prioritize performance over "sustainability" and actually make the cars fast and powerful again...
Why exactly did they have a problem with him to begin with?
Okay, i don’t doubt we’ll have a Chinese manufacturer by the end of next regs, the problem is BYD makes no fucking sense for F1 since they don’t produce ICE cars much less ICE engines anymore, it’d make infinitely more sense for them to target Formula e, wec, or wrc given they only produce electric cars now If there’s any chinese manufacturer to join F1, i think it’s likely SAIC through MG tbh, hell even Geely’d make more sense compared to BYD
They do since they all get a pay cut to pay the new team , thus the newbie has have enough clout and engagement to drive up sales and interest that the pya remains the same or increase, heck they even have to pay the teams the first year
Racing Bulls are based out of Faenza right? And I'm not sure about Audi but are parts of their development still based out of Switzerland since they bought Sauber?
They're only known for electric cars if you only read mainstream western media. Here in Aus half of their cars are hybrid.
Zeekr F1 and Xiaomi F1 coming soon
The “Chinese” stuff you buy that’s insanely bad quality doesn’t even get sold in China They make it because western companies pennypinch Decades of outsourcing manufacturing will do that pretty easily
Do you think f1 teams has avarage workers and work hours?
Would be interesting to see what they could do on merit, without being able to jack the intellectual property of its competitors.
They actually produce hybrids in LATAM. I think maybe half their models are hybrids and there are a few more scheduled.
It’d make sense if they were targeting this regs only, but considering all signs from fia and drivers are pointing to the next regs ditching hybrid entirely, unless plans radically changed idk if f1 makes sense for them in the future
They don't have a veto. What they do have is influence with Liberty who essentially illegally black balled Andretti until the U.S feds started making noise. How come Bernie Ecclestone never had a problem with adding new teams, most recently Haas who according to today's standards should've been laughed out of the room, but Liberty had to have its arm twisted? Because Bernie kept the teams in check.
Ok, my mistake then
Just like drivers, manufacturers also need to skill up, does BYD compete in any of the other tier races, Chevy competes all over the place so that final step to F1 was the next logical step.
Why not formula E? Legit
1) Alpine F1 team is not french 2) more hours of work those not mean better performance 3) Chinese people who always work are now almost a stereotype
Come on i want 12 teams and an actual asian team would be cool
9-9-6?
Are they going to race their electric ev's against the rest of the field!! Haha
We are never going back to V10s, with or without BYD in F1.
But BMW is fine?
Mercedes probably would if they are dominant for years to come.
They aren't a manufacturer.
Someone expressed dissatisfaction with the team: *explodes*
1. Wouldn’t it make more sense nor BYD to build a team in Formula E, given its focus on EV vehicles? 2. Formula E already has a footprint in Hong Kong and Mainland China. 3. BYD just needs to drop the “Build Your Dreams” tag line. No serious F1 racing fan would support a team with that name
At least the team strategy would be better than Ferrari.
They will buy alpine
Mercedes already has partnerships with many Chinese automakers, as do Audi and maybe Cadillac
I’ve no issue with the company, but “Build Your Dreams” is a fucking dogshit name. Team Build Your Dreams will be even worse.
According to my mate who works 9-11-5 (9am-11pm, 5 days a week) at the largest online retailer in China, basically nothing gets done after the dinner break at 7pm
They still wouldn't let Cadillac in with Andretti attached to the entry
Even if it were a 12th team entry BYD could just buy the support from the other lol
Lol. As if BYD would accept the inferior Tesla into their team.
Yeah makes sense. Outside of service and customer facing roles, there's realistically only so much you can do in a single work day. There's a reason why 32 hour weeks achieve greater productivity than a 40 hour week. Speaking as an Engineer I definitely find that my productivity falls off a cliff in the afternoon unless I'm doing essential maintenance on the machines. Friday afternoon I'm stealing a wage.
Hey there. I have no input on the specific F1 issue, but I'd like to point out that your interpretation of US law is incorrect. Liberty is incorporated in Delaware, making it ---and it's subsidiaries--- subject to the Sherman act (and it's successors). US law also applies to foreign companies that operate in the US, even if they are not US owned in any way. Under the FTAIA (sort of an update and expansion) can even apply US anti-competition law to non-US companies that don't operate heavily in the US if the DOJ establishes that their behavior has a direct and substantial impact on US domestic trade or imports. Several European companies have been successfully sued in the US under this mechanism. Basically, the European-based nature of FOM is not relevant in US law. Sorry to intrude.
Just wanted to say thank you for at least trying to dispel the misinformation even with all the people downvoting you. It's crazy to see that people think that only the company's main country can sue/prosecute them when we've seen massive fines from EU on Apple, Google, and many other companies around the world.
BYD means Build Your Dreams - pretty good name IMO
> Chongqing > 22 storeys Might not even count as [22 storeys](https://youtu.be/SRsFUzPbC5Y) in parts of the city
Micheal, not Mario
Could they not compete in the US since they’re effectively banned lol
Disgusting
This is some revisionist history. Andretti only tried other tactics after F1 rejected him and tried to triple the entrance fee.
BYD originally didn't mean anything before they decided to enter the Western Market in 2008. Their original name was "Yadi" (after a road in Shenzhen, on which they once had factories on), but the B was added on in order to display the company further up in alphabetical order, thus becoming BYD.
Not formula E?
They have the hybrid BYD Shark in Australia. One of their best selling models
> Andretti attached to the entry
Plenty of the hybrid Utes in aus
The Chinese government wishes the work ethic is that strong.
That was an illegal way companies exploited young people trying to get their foot in the door.
Really good news. I was expecting BYD to come into the sport, after seeing how their hybrid cars Ike yangwang was so fast off the line. We should have more asian representatives. BYD, Honda, Toyota.
Sure, take the easy route, what could go wrong?
Well Covid era wfh has exposed the fact that you don’t really need to put in that many hours at your desk to get work done.
Viry is not involved anymore, they're based out of Enstone
It's absolutely significant to investors that they are actively considering not just a motorsports entry, but also an F1 entry. Motorsports/F1 going from "not at all on the radar" to "it's on the radar" is a significant step for BYD because they'll be committing a decent amount of time and personnel to figure out if it's worth it and if it's feasible. If investors think that's a great idea, they can start increasing their stakes. If not, they can start paring them. Both will also be an early signal to the company what their investors might more broadly think about the idea.
1) they're big on hybrids too, though not as big as EVs 2) it's also not anywhere near as commercially beneficial as F1 3) but Power of Dreams is ok?
*With Palantir as their Official ~~Surveillance~~ Telemetry Partner come on man, they'll still have a modicum of decorum
That's great, if they came out and said that. They did not. One nobody told another nobody, allegedly, maybe, they're exploring spending money in some motorsport somewhere
I stand corrected. I guess byd is still new to my ears hence why it “sounds weird” to me. BMW name after thingking about it, is also stupid in my opinion
Alright bro. Everyone's nobody.
As they should, China is arguably a bigger potential market than usa.
Way more interesting than Cadillac
BYD builds shit cars. They are not paying their suppliers. They are not making money. This piece is simply for driving up stock prices.
I don't agree with them on 3, but no, Power of Dreams was widely mocked by F1 fans. Sometimes still is.
[There was this comment a while back](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1rgb1nu/cadillac_has_revealed_its_chassis_name_for_its/o7rukpm/)
I’m just joking about the fact we don’t have their cars here yet man
Bugger off to formula e pls.
On days where my calendar is stacked with meetings i basically get nothing done because the time in between meetings is too short to start AND finish a task. Days without any meetings, i can finish an entire automation prototype in 2 hours
>very strong work ethic As opposed to other countries which don't have a strong work ethic because the work hours are not slave labour long?
BYD could make them competitive
Sameee
Path forging is what Japan has been doing since it reached the leading edge in the 1980's. China still has some copying runway left, and then a long path to bring its full population up to a modern standard of living, at which point it will be competing for manufacturing business with much higher labor costs and than it does now.
V10 aspirations in big 2026 lol
Instead of charging up for more power it just ejects a battery at the other drivers like a green shell
We have the Bahrain GP winner now
"fighting with ferrari and mclaren" pack it up gng, they gonna fight for p25-26
Watch as the team heads, Stefano and MBS openly welcome these guys into the sport after trying their hardest to push against Caddy
Tesla is all meme stock, BYD is a company on the up. Tesla is only going down in the real world that exists outside the stock market.
People under estimated the Chinese car industry and it bit them on the ass. BYD would likely do very well in motorsport.
Chinas sales are now double the US market.. BYD sell almost as many cars in china as GM and Ford do in the US combined.
PHEV.
Americans need to realise they aren’t the biggest market in the world for something. Chinas car market is more than double the size of the US market. BYD sell almost as many cars in China as GM and Ford sell in the US combined.
They let an energy drinks company in. How did that work out?
There seems to be some personal beef between Andretti and the CEO of Liberty Media.
Only if you hate EVs for some reason. EVs are fantatic, the only issue is the charging network.
I don’t, I just don’t want F1 to become so focused on electric power, leave that for FÉ. But BYD is looking to expand its market so I was wrong
Electrical power isnt inherently bad, the issue is the batteries being so low in energy density. If they solve that I see no reason why F1 shouldn’t go 100% electric at some point. Formula E is a stop gap.
Because there is an electric Formula One, it’s called Formula E and it’s bad
Its bad because they are slow and cant run for long due to the batteries. Like i said once the energy density is sorted they will be brutally faster than F1 now. F1 WILL be electric only eventually.
Literally, Tesla uses BYD batteries.
Nope. They have insane facilities in china, why would they move to Europe?
I don’t underestimate them, and I believe they would do well in Motorsport. Joining f1 as their first major Motorsport and being anything other than dead last for their first 3-4 seasons seems unlikely
Alpine is Renault and Renault is Nissan. Doubt Japan would let it happen. Or France.
Fr. It would be a market expansion in China with zhuo as BYD's driver. Chinese Driver in a Chinese team.
If you think you can base an F1 team outside Europe then you know nothing about F1.
Ah! Another flat earther.
Cool story bro, keep deluding yourself if it makes you feel better.
He's just an ass. I'm a fan of his team in both Indycar and F1, but he has a pretty notorious reputation for being hard to work with behind the scenes.
As with most formula one teams it's British. The only french workers were the engine manufacturers, the rest is Enstone
Only senior management is in France, the team is based in the Uk
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