The BYD Blade 2.0 batteries could be very useful in Canada. Range is up to 900 KM WLTP or 725 KM EPA. And at -20 degrees celsius, the battery retains 85% of its capacity. And in -3

I believe Byd's Blade 2.0 technology is dependent on Byd's high power charging stations to operate. While Byd might successfully import some of their cars in the shorter term, building a brand new charging infrastructure in major cities will not happen quick if at all.

Hopefully we loosen up the volume of Chinese EV's to help bring prices down and get access to these batteries since we need them considering our weather. It will probably take a while for other manufacturers to pivot if that technology prevails.  We will have to see them in action. For a few years before full validation is complete.

> I believe Byd's Blade 2.0 technology is dependent on Byd's high power charging stations to operate. Hmm, I think the Blade 2.0 batteries charge faster if BYD high KW chargers are used, but retaining 85% of its capacity at –20°C and the increased WLTC/EPA range don't rely on what charger is used.

In the press release they said the charging infrastructure would start rolling out in China and EU by end of 2026. Agree that North America will be slower.

CATL's sodium batteries are probably the easiest path forward for Canada, and would effectively put to death concerns about cold weather range. These Blade 2.0 claims are pretty impressive though, and given BYD is probably one of the few Chinese brands able to get into our market, they'll make a compelling option for sure. A serious -40C drawdown test would be worthwhile though.

I believe this is the most relevant for us Canucks. Likely the best test case I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9QDkhHsv3s

The super fast charging would only be needed for long road trips. 98% of the time a Level 2 charger would take care of your daily needs. I can see them every 200km along the Trans Canada Highway. That's only 40 stations required.

That WLTP - EPA spread is crazy...

Sounds too good to be true, I will believe it when I see it. Either way if we can't buy the car we are at square one anyway. 49k on 2 millions car sales is nothing.

Windsor to Montreal Corridor where like 70% of Canadians live barely get below-10 for more than a month per year. Northern truck loving ontarians complaining about muh -100c weather are just pearl clutching like they were ever going to buy anything other than a ford f150.  Even Ottawa barely gets -20 more than maybe a week a year on average.

No it's not.

WLTP reflects primarily slow urban driving under 70kph.

That's because Chinese drivers mainly drive in cities with stop and go traffic which is reflected by WLTP range. They don't drive long distances outside cities on highways as much because they're a real country and thus have high speed rail connecting every city and town and subway and public transit that takes you conveniently from any station to any point in any city. Their 350kph trains get from Toronto to Montreal in 2 hours, and the 450kph ones do it in 80 minutes versus 7 hours by car more likely 8-10 hours with rest stops and naps for solo driving, there's a reason why most treat long distance driving as a novelty rather than a necessity there. Epa test is like 70% highway driving because our culture has us being trapped in a metal coffin on a highway driving straight for 2 hours every single day or the equivalent of 70 working days every year just to get to and from work. We spend more time driving to and from work than with our families and 4 times more than the average annual vacations we get. Oops this turned into another car culture lifestyle rant.

They are useful, though their range is driven by the size of the pack, not just energy density. They are a bit more dense than the prior gen for sure, but you’re looking at a big pack to get to 725km.

>That's because Chinese drivers mainly drive in cities with stop and go traffic which is reflected by WLTP range. I think you mean CLTC. China uses CLTC. WLTP is used in Europe, Australia, and other countries. I deliberately didn't cite CLTC because a lot of EV redditors in the western world don't trust CLTC. That electrek article is already converting the CLTC to WLTP. Because if it's CLTC, the range is over 1000 km. Electrek already converted the CLTC to WLTP and that's why the Blade 2.0 range is 900 km WLTP range.

This winter was a little colder a little longer. But it was also the exception of the decade. Spot on assessment otherwise. Also, the lightning and Silverado had insane range, there really is no excuse.

Oh you're right, I get these so confused.

We're actually close to that already in most of Canada (northern Ontario is a wasteland). But, to be more secure you need them to be more frequent than you'd initially think to remove the anxiety, more like every 50-100km (similar to normal gas stations, go figure). Chargers break, slots are occupied, you get a strong headwind or tailwind that changes your range by 100km up or down. We need more like 100 new chargers, with the bulk having more than 250kw power to ensure they cover the voltage and amperage demands of all the varying battery implementations. Some areas only need literally one one or two more, like between Toronto and Ontario, but from North Bay to Winnipeg? Lots. Lots are needed. Same thing east of Halifax, you need like 5 over there. Newfoundland needs like 10 by itself. And finally you gotta dot from Calgary to Winnipeg. And this covers reliable summer driving. The remaining 50 make winter driving stress free, cause it's so variable. We'll get there, but it's gonna be a **process**.

Yeah that's why I'm hoping they roll out some of the more expensive ones first to make the target market smaller, my buget is 80k for my next car

As a Manitoban and temporary Albertan, I can assure you that there are enough cities on the route to Calgary for charging. Winnipeg to Brandon, Brandon to Regina, Regina to Moose Jaw, to Swift Current, to Maple Creek, to Medicine Hat, to Brooks, Calgary. That's 9 cities over a distance of 1350km. All are a max of 300km from each other but many are around 90 minutes. These are only the larger population centers along the T-CH. Obviously you hit the higher population centers first and then you can add the smaller cities / towns. You have to start somewhere. Start with every 200km. Then you start making deals with businesses / municipalities. A fast charger bank at a lot "next to" a fast food joint is a no brainer. The gap between Winnipeg and North Dakota has a lot full of Superchargers next to the Tim Hortons. A bank of chargers next to a restaurant or supermarket is guaranteed extra foot traffic, even for just 10 minutes. I don't know anyone that wants to drive more than 500km without stopping for a tinkle and a Timbit. Just a footnote, I fully agree with you, but we need to be realistic about population... There are plenty of people between Winnipeg and Calgary.

It is also a problem that only impacts your life if TWO factors happen at once. 1. You are trying to drive near the complete range limit of your vehical. 2. it is below that temp. IE for me it would ONLY ever happen if I was doing a 3hr + road trip at -30C My vehicle has 515km of range at normal temps, even at -40C I should have more than 250-300km of range.. Not like it will impact my day or even need a recharge if I am commuting or driving around the city.

I'm not holding my breath in terms of prices going down.

Multiply battery energy density by about a factor of 10, and you’ll genuinely be on to something. Certainly good enough for 90% of daily usage by Canadians but there’s that remaining 10% that can’t be just wished away. This might sound like hyperbole, but it’s actually a simple thermodynamic observation. To be truly practical, you want “last mile“ support. That includes in very rural areas.

so you want an EV with a winter -40C range of 3,000+ km? And only then will that be "on to something"? Which gas vehicle are you comparing to?

I ran the numbers: Gasoline ≈ 45 MJ/kg ICE efficiency ≈ 25% → usable ≈ 11 MJ/kg Battery packs ≈ 0.7–1 MJ/kg usable That’s about a factor of 10. That’s where I got the number from.

Biggest worries about potential EV owners is battery life. I think most chinese brands are 8 years warranty.

I don't like seeing battery capacity written as "range," personally. The range entirely depends on consumption of the vehicle it's in, as well as weather and driving style. What I want to see is battery capacity, and if this battery really is capable of a 100kWh LFP pack then that really is an incredible accomplishment.

As someone who lives just outside Edmonton, -30 is something that happens every winter, and we usually have at least a day or two where it reaches -40. Saskatchewan and Manitoba have it worse. So the concerns about cold weather performance are valid, at least for some of us. I've driven a Tesla with LFP battery for five winters now, and while the car has handled the cold extremely well, I avoid long distance driving in the winter. People worry more than they should, of course - the lead-acid battery in any ICE vehicle is more susceptible to extreme cold than the high voltage battery in an EV - but cold weather range loss on the highway is a real problem for BEVs on the prairies.

I have 500 km range on my lightning. And quite pleased. But I do have a home charger. I would never see the need for anymore. Even on -20 days I still get 375 km. 89% of people with 2 cars ,1 should always be electric only makes sense.

Well my point is that the concern as you said is localized and is not even relevant for most Canadians. But people who concern troll like to lump all Canadians into one generalized mass as if we all live in winters that consistently stay at -20 or more. I think consumers should do some basic research of the product to gauge fit based on their circumstances, whereas with EVs I often see people making overarching "this doesn't fit in with Canada" to everyone. It often feels like a guy living in a studio apartment proclaiming that no one in the country can support a 100 inch TV because their apartment is too small for it.

Sure, but my point is that the number of Canadians who actually do have to deal with extreme cold is still significant.

It's a thing I see often on HGTV. There is always someone who insists they have a guest room to host their foreign family for a week every two years and that one hill is something they're willing to die on in exchange for severely limiting their housing choices.

I think charging for anyone that lives in an apartment or condo is a bigger issue.

Sure but again, that's irrelevant to the vast majority of Canadians. We do not need a public service announcement everytime someone talks about EV and Canada of one of the 13% of Canadians actually living in -100C temperatures to confidently declare the invalidity of EVs "for Canada".  No, EVs are perfectly valid for Canada, they are just not valid for a minor number of people. Like I said, most people are not presenting arguments in good faith like you, they are concern trolling.

Many newer condos now allow owners to install L2 chargers in their parking spots. Even if you have to charge at stations or at work, the cost is still less than gas, especially when the US starts yet another war for oil. Most Chinese people in cities live in Apartments and even in my 30 year old apartment with no parking L2 charging now over 10% of the cars are EVs and of the two people I spoke to they both will never go back to Gas cars.

I don’t think that anyone was declaring that EVs can’t work in Canada. Just someone pointing out that BYD’s newest batteries have cold weather performance that would be useful for many people in Canada. I mean, around 6-7 million Canadians live in places where it *does* get extremely cold. If you don’t think this article is relevant to you then maybe just scroll past instead of complaining about someone posting about it.

I've seen many do it. There was a here and now CBC segment about it and half the callers calling in were opposed to EVs coming into Canada, period, because it doesn't fit their own personal usecase and they heard their brother's coworker's cousin complain about it at some point.

Here in ontario Range is an issue because so few lvl3 around, all of the lvl 2 are in the 6kw range, 50% of those lvl 2 are private/invisible and 20% of those visible lvl2 are out of order(Ivy I am looking at you). Make all the lvl chargers 40 or 48A will make a massive difference.

Technically if the battery is insulated and warmed the shouldn't the outside temp not matter that much? Also even ICE vehicles start having signs of trouble below -20, at -40 the vapor pressure of gasoline is so low it might not ignite and the suspension becomes brittle and the rubber in ball joints and other suspension components can crack. Not sure why cold weather is such a concern. My issue with EV's is that they don't put a highway range and a city range and instead give you one metric that people assume is highway range but is actually the mixed driving range. Also they are really expensive and there is no good used or budget options and I don't trust Chevy.

What kind of chemistry is it?

Ok but energy density makes no sense in this context (yes but no)... An EV with 500km+ range in -20c covers the needs of at least 90% of the Canadian population: going to work and back home

Edge cases matter a lot more than people think. A system that works for 90% of situations sounds good until you realize the remaining 10% is where the consequences are largest. Engineers design bridges for the worst storms, not the average day. Power grids are designed for peak demand, not typical usage. Transportation has similar dynamics. The average commute might be 40 km in mild weather, but the system also needs to handle the Christmas road trip, the -35°C cold snap, the rural evacuation, or the long-distance worker commute. Those “edge cases” drive adoption decisions because people generally buy vehicles that cover their worst realistic day, not just their typical one. So while 500 km at −20°C might cover 90% of trips statistically, the remaining 10% can still matter a lot for whether people feel comfortable relying on the technology.

BYD is already mass produce those now, blade 2.0 cars will be everywhere this year in China.

It is everywhere now ( 4000+ ), In my city Nanchang got 14 ones. Only needs 3 days to build it, just 3 Cabinet put on the ground and wire it up.

Could be useful? That's an understatement lol