Musk’s xAI reports wider quarterly loss, plans to power Optimus

>The company told investors that its goal is to build AI that is self-sufficient and that will ***eventually*** power humanoid robots such as Optimus ***EVENTUALLY.***

shit this guy get away with is bonkers. managed to fool all the banks and hedge funds who pour infinite money. they are now so deep in his ass, its almost cultish. I don’t think tesla will ever go down because this snake oil salesman will always find buyers

The song of the con-man

And then Optimus will have a loss as well lol

I’m thinking the opposite - this house of cards could be a catalyst for a wider market sell-off or even recession. Would explain why institutional investors who must know better by now haven’t run for the exits.

Teslas revenue is dwindling, and that's the only real money coming in. If the share price drop\[s to around $4 there are a lot of loans getting called in.

Paywall

V14 FSD is such a con man thing to create

Musk will find a way to funnel money from spacex the only profitable business to prop up his other failures. It was in the news he had spacex buy hundreds of unwanted cyber trucks that just sit in parking lots unused at the Florida and Texas spacex sites

If Tesla implodes I’m thinking it’s taking xAI and SpaceX with it since he keeps playing the cup game with his money they’re all leveraged against each other. That’s billions of investments up in smoke and someone’s going to be holding the bag there and it’ll probably be the retail traders.

Is there a truly useful application for AI yet? These chat bots are like the perfection of a human bullshitter. Impressive at first but useless as the result needs to be cleaned up by competent humans, except for entertaining fluff like AI pics/videos.

I’d bet Tesla would go bankrupt well before hitting $4 a share.

Its great for selling NVIDIA chips! Beyond that not really anything profitable...

Are you sure you meant $4? That would be a > 99% drop from its current share price ($435).

Yeah. Almost. Lol

Why is there no optimus at CES ?

Full self delusion coming next year.. next year.. next year.. next year 🤣

That will happen long before $4. If TSLA goes below $120 or so, Elon will have to put up more collateral. If it goes to $4, Elon is cooked.

Go broke already

I'm very skeptical SpaceX is profitable. They do capital raises like clockwork to do practically the same number of launches for external clients every year. SpaceX might have some extra VC cash flowing though it for the Cybertruck skim...but that doesn't mean they're profitable.

MONORAILS FOREVER

I’m glad Teslarianism finally has its Golden Calf.

There’s a lot of stuff that is also called AI that is really “machine learning” not “generative AI” which is actually useful for diagnostics and data analysis, and has been around for over a decade without using outrageous amounts of energy. Using these two separate things interchangeably is a shell game these crooks love to play.

You obviously have never used V14

Didn't it run on FSD??? Oh right FSD isn't real.

Gods help us!

Well they have substantial revenue from Starlink that is increasing a lot year over year.

And almost 30 percent lower sales in Europe means one of these days the cat is coming out of the bag. Although I'm pretty certain, there are so many bag holders these days, that itself is keeping the price high.

Because then people might start comparing the figure 03 and Boston dynamics robots to Optimus.

***X***VENTUALLY.

I’ve always thought that “bag holder” was referring to people holding a bad investment. Tesla is still ridiculously high. The vast majority of people holding onto Tesla stock outside of a diversified ETF can always sell, certainly at a profit at this price. Of course, they should sell because it’s so ridiculously high.

Because it’s a fake product.

So the company he owns \~15% of is going to become a client to his company he owns >50%. And does the company he owns \~15% of realize that one of their R&D moonshots is already being claimed by their CEO's other company?

Full Sucker Deception?

Soon Optimus will be able to generate child porn on demand for users

$400 sorry

You need to be able to stand up to serve drinks there?

And there were so freaking many robots at CES.

Bag holders is when the stock crashes.

>On the investor call, xAI leadership, including chief revenue officer Jon Shulkin, told investors that now xAI’s core focus is building out AI agents and other software at speed, said the sources, who asked not to be identified discussing private conversations. Those products will feed into what’s called “Macrohard”, a term Musk has said refers to an AI-only software company, the name a play on “Microsoft”, until it eventually can power Optimus. Macrohard. Musk is such a fucking clown.

Yea but it costs a fuck Ton of money to launch space shuttles with satellites. Also who knows how much of a money pit starship has become even with the government contract.

Oh look, he's already setting up a narrative for Tesla to acquire xAI if necessary. So in the beginning xAI was supposed to be working on vastly different projects than Tesla internally. Now xAI is literally going to be developing AI products that power or compete with Optimus? It's amazing how the shareholders constantly sign off and award Musk for literally looting Tesla and putting his own financial interests above the company.

Monorails are more of a shelbyville thing anyway.

Sure, but even Shotwell and Musk have used terms like "barely break even" when it comes to Starlink.

Actual institute may not match photo.

It's not a shell game it's the term that's always been used as a catch-all, do you complain that games use the term AI to describe the route finding algorithms? Generative ai is machine learning and uses neutral networks, it's all transformers and tensors and the same stuff in LLMs, image gen, weather prediction, etc etc - like how a toaster, a heater, a light bulb are all basically the same thing and only ever so slightly different to a fan, radio, telephone, or computer because they all run on electricity and work based on the principle that current running through conductors has predictable behavior. It's just configured in a different way with different inputs and outputs.

Coming next year!

I bet the value of xAI is either unchanged or went up on this news. Bad financial performance, but Tesla plans to buy billions of data center processing!!! This implies that xAI's revenue is going to explode upwards, putting upward pressure on the company's valuation, even if that service isn't being provided or generating any revenue yet. This is a Muskian special. He claims his companies will have enormous revenue from massive demand for their products... in the future... usually in one year. Not currently, but soon!! Whether that be FSD, whether it be robotaxis, semi trucks, roadsters, cybertrucks, robots... he pitches this claim incessantly, and not surprisingly very rarely never delivers, yet is rewarded for it anyway. \_\_\_\_\_ The irony here is that Musk wants Tesla to buy xAI in whole or part through an all shares sale... and the suggestion that this will happen, alone, drives up xAI's valuation. Musk is the CEO of xAI and largest shareholder, owning approximately 58% of the company after xAI bought Musk's other company, Twitter, in an all shares sale. Just before that sale, Twitter's valuation was claimed to have suddenly skyrocketed back to the value Musk bought it for, even after shortly before that, claims were that its value had dropped by over 2/3rds. No doubt his close friends and family (we'll call them "& Fam") also own large stakes in xAI. If Tesla buys xAI in an all shares sale, likely well over 60% of the shares go to Musk & Fam... giving them a much larger stake in Tesla. When Tesla buys xAI and uses these xAI data centers to process their own AI models, then the data centers generate no income. They generate value in training data, but no direct revenue. This all of course begs the question why Tesla would overpay for xAI and their data centers, likely to the tune of around $400 billion+, when they could build their own for a fraction of that price... and actually already have built a sizeable data center! You all can start to see how this is all nothing more than financial and stock market trickery, right? xAI's value is being pushed up based on promises of revenue from Musk's other company; revenue that goes with the second promise of Tesla buying xAI. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Now think about it... why would Musk want to push up the value of xAI when Tesla wants to buy it? Isn't this bad for Tesla's existing shareholders? Generally if you're a CEO of a company that wants to buy another company, you'd prefer the value of that other company decline... not increase. So what gives? Tesla already voted on a proposal to buy xAI, and while more voted for the proposal than against, non-voters were counted as no votes and the proposal failed.... for now. That may have been intentional. I've argued for some time now my belief that Musk will want to push up xAI's valuation and lower Tesla's valuation before the purchase of xAI is approved. Why do that? The higher xAI is valued and the lower Tesla's share price, the more shares Tesla has to pay to xAI shareholders to purchase it. Again, Musk & Fam are the largest shareholders of xAI, so buying the company in an all shares sale after Tesla's stock declines will mean Musk & Fam receive a much larger chunk of Tesla shares, owning a much larger share of the company as a whole. Existing Tesla shareholders pay for it through dilution and a reduction in voting power. We know Musk has been demanding the Tesla board increase his stake in Tesla to over 25%. The thing is, if this goes as I think it will, Musk & Fam could easily end up with over 30% of Tesla upon the completion of the purchase of xAI. Add to the mix that Musk is now getting his $50 billion+ pay package reinstated, as well as the $1 trillion pay package that was miraculously passed prior to the old pay package being reinstated (with the presumption that the old package wouldn't be reinstated), and suddenly Musk's share in Tesla has exploded higher with the potential to grow immensely with the purchase of xAI.

\_\_\_ You might be thinking, "yeah, but what good is it for Musk if Tesla stock tanks?". Simple, look at the chart. Tesla stock moves up and down by massive percentages all of the time. A year could see the stock price double, with the following year seeing it halve. Hell, the price doubled at the end of 2024, only to fall by 56% through March '25 from its December '24 all time high. Its already recovered that early 2025 decline and made a new ATH in 2025. See the potential? So... the plan is: * Musk pushes up xAI valuation with promises of huge demand from Tesla and the promise that Tesla will buy xAI in the near future. * Musk pushes or allows Tesla stock to correct down significantly. * Tesla purchases xAI by convincing enough shareholders to vote (by fear mongering the stock price drop and insisting they must buy xAI before xAI's valuation goes up further), and in doing so, Musk & Fam receive a huge amount of Tesla shares. * Musk starts pumping Tesla stock, with claims of robots disrupting the world economy within just one year. Robotaxis as far as the eye can see in just three weeks. Tesla Semis ripe to take over the entire planet's trucking industry. Their data centers beating all of the competition on developing AI models. Hell, he may even throw in new things, like the fabled Tesla cell phone. Like a time machine. All one year away of course, never actually delivering... just showing off a prototype every once in awhile. * Tesla stock skyrockets on account that both institutional and retail traders understand that it's easy to manipulate Tesla's stock upwards, so they all rush in to buy the dip before that happens in what can only be described as a get rich quick play. Afterall, that is why most of the retail and institutional shareholders completely ignore Musk's nazi gestures and rhetoric. Voila... Elon is a trillionaire... and the some. \_\_\_ Everybody... you have to remember who you're dealing with in Musk. He's a unhappy drug using (dissociative anesthetic) narcissistic sociopath with a God complex. He thinks of the world as if it's not real... as if it's a video game that he must "win". He's even claimed that we all live in a virtual reality. Wining is essentially the only thing he's living for, outside of his impregnation fetish. It's his entire meaning for life. He must beat all of the competition. He must top the leaderboards. And much like he did with the video game PoE2 in early 2025... he's completely fine with cheating to win. I imagine if pressed, he'd unapologetically admit to it. To him, that's just part of the game. He thinks everyone else is cheating, so that's justification for him to cheat too, even if he cheats to a much much larger degree with an outsized impact on the world. So with that said... consider how Musk would most optimize cheating the market, the shareholders, the economy... the world, and start to consider the actions he could take to win. FYI, he's used this strategy of Tesla buying his other failing companies in all shares sales multiple times now, utilizing this trick to massively increase his wealth. This idea that he plans to do it again with xAI isn't exactly coming out of left field. Really the only entity that could put a stop to it is global governments, but oddly most of them seem to be in the bag for him and the other billionaire oligarchs. The US government under Biden started to taper back on preferential treatment, so his solution was to use his massive amounts of wealth and influence to buy his way into government and directly change policy to most favor him. (As I've mentioned in other comments, China seems to have, at least temporarily, gotten the better of him and has taken a firm grip on his balls, so that too could also be a reason he bought himself into government, and influenced it in ways that seem to have benefited China.)

It’s entirely cultish, not almost! He’s got the finance sector so deep in his ass they can’t escape without taking a serious hit so they keep pouring money in hoping it will eventually deliver but I’m already starting to see the cracks form in the ai space…and then there’s his attempt at ai which appears to be failing upwards…broken system, broken society

But first let’s make some p0rn

He needs to start a new company to buy xAi

Tesla's debt obligations are public in their 10-K ([source](https://ir.tesla.com/_flysystem/s3/sec/000162828025003063/tsla-20241231-gen.pdf)). They do not hold corporate debt with stock-price-triggered margin requirements and their total debt is \~$13.5B. 5% interest on those bonds is $675M in debt servicing per year, which is 0.7% of their revenue and 9% of profit. They are not highly leveraged and are still profitable - a drop in the stock price to $400 (you clarified that's what you meant) would have no effect other than annoying shareholders. Don't make stuff up man.

"Something...something...confident...next year..." - Musk (in 2035)

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Lmao good fuck Tesla and Elon Musk.

Still making stuff up. Tesla's board put a policy cap on Elon's borrowing - he is only allowed to borrow the lesser of $3.5B or 25% of his stock against Tesla shares. $3.5B would be only 3.5% loan-to-value against his $100B in stock and typical margin requirements are around 30-50%, so his value would have to drop to something like $7-12B to be margin called, an 88%-93% drop.

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I just skim through r/TeslaFSD from time to time. FSD, V14 or any other, is nowhere near ready for unsupervised, despite everything Musk has said, so yes, in effect, V14 FSD is such a con man thing to create.

That “if the share price drops to $400 there are a lot of loans getting called in”

And half of the investors is betting on the stock to crash, the other half is betting it can go higher. Some are probably leveraged against themselves?

So no you have never used it, got it. Keyboard warrior at best

If there's one good thing we can learn from Elon, it's that if you have a cult following willing to bet anything on your projects, you'll always win even if you're lying to them.

I thought Tesla owned Optimus.

In addition to the other replies, Starlink seems to have succeeded so far due to their current monopoly in the area it’s sort of become ubiquitous to say “try Starlink” if someone is having trouble with xDSL/Cable/xG/etc. Amazon Leo and other similar products are due to launch over the next couple of years, which may disrupt the market a bit (going to depend heavily on satellite coverage, pricing and stability for the new services). Personally I’m holding out to see what Leo looks like before potentially making the jump (the things against trying Starlink is my rural area has a congestion charge and… well… I’m not a fan of Musk by any means).

I guess that's one way to bury Twitter's losses.

Who are these dopes who keep investing in this charlatan... I deal with his kinda on a weekly basis trying to sell me the latest buzz word slop... he's a sales droid...

There's a nearly infinite number of uses for AI and humanoid robots, but that the tech for that won't exist until after this investment bubble is gone. The current tech doesn't scale up to higher intelligence no matter how much money is thrown at it.

Nowhere to hide the man behind the curtain operating it.

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Ah sorry my guy - I see how it was ambiguous but I meant to say that even if u/Far_Addition1210 meant Elon's personal debt they were still inaccurate. There is always "some number" that will drive a business to bankruptcy. I think all I'm trying to point out is that the narrative that Tesla is a house of cards is misleading - they and their biggest shareholder (Elon) are well within normal leverage for a public company.

Revenues of $100million for the quarter, I wonder how much of that is from Tesla and Twitter? And their future revenue is supposed to come from Tesla products. This whole thing is going to fall over soon when one of Musk's companies runs out of cash, they all rely on revenue from each other. xAI apparently bought 1000 Cybertrucks, imagine investing in a company that does that with your cash.

The event venue probably refused to let them install a starlink antenna and the internet connection at CES was probably not good enough to ensure the teleoperation would work all the time.

SpaceX just had to move a good portion of their starlink constellation into a lower operational orbit, which is going to cause them to degrade and fail much faster.

HE SOUNDS LIKE A ANNIE SONG TOMORROW TOMORROW IT MIGHT BE TOMORROW WHILE AFRICA HAS A CAR THAT RUNS ON WATER

Needs to get it in Optimus to improve the CP generation.

Sounds like famous last words of a Tesla fatality.

This makes no sense, are you delusional

Na you can get 1 to 10gig fiber as an exibitor.

They are great at software development, analysis, research etc. I am competent human but doesn’t mean it’s not a great tool if used effectively.

Rather, American capitalistic greed knows no bounds.

Tesla have never been profitable off the revenue they've generated off their own products or services. They've been reliant on emission credits, government subsidies and US auto protectionism to stay in the black. Now that the two formers are gone combined with Telsa tanking hard in most major markets and increased competition, they're cooked. Telsa are basically a government backed ponzi scheme that's about to go pop.

It's there with music and art. It obviously lacks in terms of originality but a few AI platforms can create excellent recreations of all kinds of genres. Users can mitigate the lack of originality by enabling higher speed tests of different things than would be possible otherwise. Video is much harder but getting closer all the time. Problem is AI is starting to consume itself now.

The plan has always been for Elon to coerce Tesla into acquiring xAI at a ridiculous valuation in an all stock trade. The company has never been anything more than a vehicle for Elon to gain a bunch of Tesla shares at very low cost.

Yes, and I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I, for one, am going to take advantage of this to launch an artificial intelligence company that makes you have wet dreams about the girl you like, and I'M SERIOUS. I recommend you do the same to become a billionaire and then a trillionaire. The fundamentals don't matter anymore.

Why did they have to do this?

I mean, at least he could have gone for Megahard

Because they made the constellation to dense and were running the risk of collisions (SpaceX doesnt own the orbit so there can be other satellites in those orbits, and in fact there are chinese satellites in that orbit that SpaceX almost ran into and another SpaceX satellite had an anomaly and exploded creating debris in that orbit that would have to be maneuvered around since you cant maneuver debris), so they had to drop part of the constellation into a lower orbit to increase the spacing between satellites to decrease the potential rate of collision. The issue is when you move into a lower orbit you increase the rate of deorbiting and increase the amount of maneuvering you have to do, which decreases the life of the satellite greatly. If you have a satellite you can run for 10 years at orbit X and move it into orbit Y (closer to earth) that satellite may now only have a total life of 5 years (it isn't linear but for the sake of this conversation assume it is linear). Every time a satellite fails, it creates debris in an orbit that you have to maneuver around constantly, if any more satellites suffer anomalies it could risk destroy a lot of satellites in an orbit that is already very dense. As for a potential question of why SpaceX doesnt own that orbit, well that is fairly simple, because you cant legally own space. The united states may give a company the exclusive rights to operate in an orbit, but that only applies to other US companies that want to launch a satellite, another country is well within their rights to use whatever orbits they want to without an international agreement, and there are plenty of recent examples of why any international agreement isn't binding nor do other countries care about it because it isn't a real thing.

We have no real idea what their Starlink revenue is. They release rapidly growing subscription numbers but there's a lot of subscriptions they're practically giving away either in special deals with telecoms and governments or at vadtly discounted rates to poor countries.

Starlink has very limited bandwidth density and only works so long as not a lot of people are subscribed. It's never going to last in any place where there's a remotely reliable terrestrial option.

Also the company he owns \~15% of gets a good majority of its revenue from government subsidies and contracts, which can go away at any time. We have no idea how profitable SpaceX really is because right now it is private so we dont get their financial data AND it is highly dependent on if the government will continue to pay them. When you only really have a single client that makes up a good chunk of your core business and that client just happens to be a government, it is very very risky.

Yup right now those banks and hedge funds have no problem pouring money into the company because no matter what, that companies stock seems to go up, even on horrible news. Eventually the meme will be up and the banks and hedge funds will be the first to pull out which will cause everyone else to be left with nothing.

Also the big players are in a position to be able to pull out FAST when the turn around comes. They will make their money and the rest will suffer (including a good number of pensions and retirement accounts that are invested in it). This is why a good number of people in those pensions have been protesting to have their pensions pull out before they are left losing their entire retirement.

Oh SpaceX has tons of revenue coming in... but it is all from the same source (the US government), which is why it can pretty much go bankrupt at any time if the US Government decides to pull all of the subsidies and contracts. This is why Musk is pouring money into the midterm elections, because he is relying on the republicans to keep shoving money into SpaceX.

If the stock goes to $4 it would only be a few seconds as it collapses into a penny stock. There is no way the stock would stabilize at $4, it would just be because it passes through $4 on its way to nothing.

Why would anyone think what Tesla's board did matters? The Tesla board would have no problem removing the cap if he told them to do it, since the board is made up of people who Musk personally controls.

The connection you can get to your booth isnt a factor when it is limited by the entire connection into the venue itself. Unless they are literally going to run a dedicated fiber line JUST for one booth all the way back to the telecom, it is still limited by everyone at the venue using the total bandwidth available.

Actually yes.. AI is a GREAT research assistant, in that you cant trust anything they actually tell you but they can find the references that you may need. It is exactly how I treated wikipedia in college.. Didn't trust a damn thing wikipedia said, but went down to the citations at the bottom as a quick way to find reference material that I may be able to use. It is also good for things like statistics where you need to analyze a very large dataset, since those things are pretty straight forward calculations. So basically AI is great for applications where you would use Excel or Google. Instead of spending the time to run the search yourself and have to filter through pages and pages of probably garbage and ads, it does it for you.

Yup, if it can be solved with a bunch of "If Then" statements, then AI is pretty decent at it. If it requires actual analytical thinking, then it more often than not is bad.

They are only good at Analysis when it is a very straight forward application (like statistics). If it requires any interpretation or additional reasoning, it is horrible. It is also great at research in that it can find you references fairly fast, but you cant trust what it actually thinks those references say because it more often than not makes up stuff that doesnt even exist in the reference. I asked it about something in a law and it quoted the applicable part of the law to me, the only problem is that what it quoted me isnt actually in the law. When I questioned it, it said I didnt review the actual law, only a summarization of the law. When i fed it the actually law, as passed by congress, it argued that what I gave it was only a summarization of the law because the term it was quoting wasnt in the document I fed it, eventho what I fed it was the entire law that was voted and passed, directly from the US House government website.

It makes perfect sense

Well as a standard exhibitor you are offered the WiFi 20-50mb, you can pay for the 1gbps-10gbps. I don’t know what they actually have as a limit for the LVCC venue.

Well of course any of us that use it at scale or sufficient frequency have run into many small limitations, version differences in code, hallucinations etc, but there are many automated techniques to catch and fix these if you aren’t simply typing into the chat bot.

It also isn't just the bandwidth it is the latency, for teleoperations you need fairly low latency and the issue with venues is the latency can spike even if you pay for a fast connection. So unless you have a dedicated backhail with its own connection, you are at the mercy of everyone hitting the network at the same time potentially spiking latency which would be a huge issue.

Well of course. His entire empire is a joke.

Ya true, always a possibility but I just think even with teleoperation they wouldn’t have been impressive next to what else was there, and that would be devastating to their narrative to have the nature of the race be so plainly visible.

Lmao. After so much time, it's like they might as well just announce "Today we are pumping stock, please buy now." Instead of this delusional nonsense "reports".

The man doesn't have a normal penis, and bribes women to sleep with him. He's got issues.

It's worse at coding than humans are. Literally a net negative to have it write code, due to how many errors show up. Also, hallucinations are an inherent part of the system. General purpose AI doesn't produce good quality.

I would disagree and I’ve been a developer for 20 years.

Small sex robots are cheaper to build. Few understand. /s

So not even "next year?"

It's called a correction for a reason.

Yes, it will take down his entire empire as they are all intertwined. There will be bagholders but that's what happens when "investors" play the Greater Fool game. Somebody has to lose.

Even if Xesla was moving products, they don't move anywhere nearly enough to justiy TSLA's stock price which would logically be maybe $15-20 on a good day. Given the falling sales and bleak outlook for what is now a toxic brand though, I'd say $3-5 is more realistic. The stock though is not attached to the company, its products or its management. It's in Full Self Driving mode. It's become a speculative instrument in itself and stockholders are doing nothing but playing The Greater Fool against each other until eventually somone flinches and the house of cards comes tumbling down.

They aren't even betting on him or his projects. They are betting on TSLA and the stupidity of "investors" to keep pouring money into it. Many will find out they are the ones who will get burned when the quants start shorting it heavily.

Except, he really has no collateral. He has a lot of companies claiming to do a lot of things but not much in hard assets. Banks aren't going to fund the Titanic after it's already his the iceberg.

Because there is no Optimus. It will be there "next year."

\> Is there a truly useful application for AI yet? No, because there is no true "AI", nor has any of it proven to be very useful. They are overhyped versions of ELIZA.

I would say a useful AI is at least a generation away. Yes the collapse of this current investment frenzy is imminent. It will be like the 2000 dot-bomb.

\> in that you cant trust anything they actually tell you And because you have to keep double checking its work, it's really not much of a timesaver.

sad but true

The debt cycles are beginning. Alot of them are taking on debt building the inferstructure in the hoped that we the customers will adopt this AI revolution. News flash, why would any sane human pay and support something thats a direct threat to their livelihood.

I think March was reflecting on the progress over the last 8 years. 2018 my Uber driver could use his FSD but it was only L2. 2026 I can take a Robotaxi with a safety monitor required because it uses V14 with powerful FSD-Supervised L2 technology. Way to go Elon! /s

I have driven 900 miles and only had to touch the steering wheel twice, and one of them was because it went a way I thought was slower. One person drove cross the US and never touched the steering wheel. If you guys aren’t at awe in that you will never be satisfied and are too narrow-minded

It's about real statistics, not about stories.

Thank you for explaining! 🙏

If you'd walked out of a screening of The Deer Hunter before the last couple of scenes, you might well have been in awe of how safe a game to play Russian Roulette was, too, I suppose.

The dude wearing the costume called sick at the last minute

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