What do you think is Elon's next fraud? Here is my guess-

He’s stolen a ton of personal information through DOGE so I’m thinking he’s going to go full Hank Scorpio and blackmail the next government and take over the east coast. If there is a next government.

He's already moving on to data centers in space

Keep up, he's already moved to AI in space/Dyson sphere

While the g1 was impressive, I wouldn't put them in the same category as Boston dynamics atlas. They were only performing a very choreographed routine while atlas actually adjusts to real world situations (like when they try to knock is down multiple times with a stick)

Designer babies via AI infered CRISPR; he'll call it "XY"

He will loop back around to payment processing. Possibly via doge coin to pump that once more

I think he's already been doing that with Epstein Island information.

I had just seen a photo of a train with wings and turbine engines.

Yeah, he'll attach it to X which is what tha domain originally was for, then try a dysfunctional knockoff of WeChat.

Quantum computing? Can't remember whether he used it or not already.

What other AI allows fascists shit and porn? Sounds like they have a corner on the market niche!

You think it’s been him?

School of Acting and Air Conditioning.

All of his scams are in pretty much blue ocean spaces without any entrenched players. Tons of pharma companies are approaching gene therapy for all kinds of conditions and illnesses.

Longevity is the big one. He’ll make a company that promises to reset your mitochondria and make you 30 years younger and live to 130. It’s just 2 years away.

He's already in the medical grift space. You forgot about neuralink. He even got one of his harem to run it

this

Have you heard about his crewed mission to the dark side of the Sun? He's deep into the planning phase and the launch window is Q3 2026.

same as before, manufacturing a government funded bailout. He needs to have a catalyst soon to warrant one before trump is impeached in the midterms (democrats will probably assist regardless tbh). With trump the bailout can be direct and without premise, a straight check from the treasury no strings attached no explanation needed and trump can be the jettisoned heat sink as global capital planned all along. With democrats in control they will have to use a series of obfuscated gov contracts etc to maintain plausibility and would be slightly less comfortable.

He's already done the health scam with Neuralink brain chip

His biggest scam is going to be selling real estate on Mars. 1000 acres for $10.

This is actually the least dumb of all his ideas, IMO. GPUs already degrade on a schedule, so you build the whole thing to last for 6 years or whatever. Predictable power generation and cooling. Feeds the SpaceX fly-wheel.

He’s a fraud.

Something has been keeping him out of trouble for the past couple decades.

I honestly think we are in the endgame. The biggest clue is the shortening of the timescales of the false predictions for autonomous driving. We had about ten years of "next year", then in June 2025 we had "probably within a month or two", finally two-and-a-half weeks ago we had "in about three weeks". When it hasn't happened by end of Jan, when we will, presumably, see negative earnings, I think that'll be it. The S&P Index Committee will kick it out of the 500, because why wouldn't they, and there'll be too much selling as a direct result for the buy-the-dip fanbois to keep the price up, and... boom! An historic collapse, twenty times the size of Enron, and over a hundred times the size of Theranos. This is not financial advice. I am probably wrong. Prices can go up as well as down.

Don’t forget blocking out the sun with satellites and killing the planet in doing so.

I think the world will be a much safer place when this man passes on.

According to my sources, retards like you and your commie psycho friends will be teleported to the wrong side of the moon and forced to paint rainbows on new Teslas in a new giga moon factory.

He’s already saying people won’t NEED MONEY. From the guy with the most money?

Thing is though that in space, that "predictable cooling" means really really really bad cooling. Space is a vacuum. The only cooling available is radiative cooling, which is horribly inefficient. We solved this problem for astronauts on the moon. Basically by evaporative cooling into a vacuum, letting excess heat from the humans and their equipment be carried away with water vapor vented to space. That only works for as long as there is something to vent to space.

Predictable *horrendous* cooling. You can only cool via radiation. It's terrible.

At this point, he has to buy back Palantir from his buddy Thiel

Thank for your rant! Could not muster the energy but so damn comprehensive!

Checking to see if I'm still banned here

I think the robots thing will last for a while before it becomes clear that it is going to take a long time for them to be useful

So…I'm guessing you won't be buying into the SpaceX IPO then?

The Meta data center under construction near me is the size of 20 Walmarts, good luck putting that into space.

It won’t be human DNA, that would be too many legal hoops, it will be food or medicine. That good ole’ 🐍 oil. He’ll work on some revolutionary combinations of this plant and/ cowbit (it’s a beef cow but has the gestation of a rabbit) that when all said and done, soybased, Protein swirl aka solient green. The valley crowd is already eating this nonsense up with “hacking the body” etc. but hey you had bad genes? Well this vitamin/mineral uptake will fix that! He’ll read some biology 101 books and claim they are old ideas and HE has seen the new thing that was never seen before or thought of. Hire a bunch of high school or hell junior high because someone will ask “how did the DOGE boys do?” To have them work 120 hrs/week.

Self driving cars...  The Tesla is the most advanced driver system period fuck sae levels .

Higher midichlorian count than Yoda by Q4 next year.

I thought Trump already had that.

There's more people than Musk talking about it [including reputable scientific publishers](https://cacm.acm.org/news/datacenters-go-to-space/). Musk is full of shit, but I wouldn't expect ACM and NVIDIA to be talking about it if radiative cooling was that impractical.

See also: https://elonmusk.today/

Yeah, not like him to shut the fuck up for so long.

Cooling is extremely difficult but I don't get why power generation is getting a pass. Do you have any idea how much power is required for these data centers? On land, 1GW from solar power takes 30,000 acres! Imagine the cost to deploy that. And imagine what maintenance looks like! Not to mention getting data in and out of this data center would be a huge challenge due to the limited bandwidth.

“We’ll have a time machine mass by 2026, end of 2027 at the latest.”

You don't just have to talk about cooling which is a real issue but it's all ultimately based on launch costs coming down enough and I really don't see that happening anytime soon

Maybe he'll buy Amtrak.

Moon base

Because Elon has zero imagination whatsoever, his next grift is always based on whatever idea has recently become a trendy topic in tech circles. This is how he started xAI (March 2023, during peak GenAI hype after the release of ChatGPT and GPT-4), this is how he started the Optimus program at Tesla (2021, when humanoids were hype, a few months after the release of the Boston Dynamics "Do You Love Me" and Parkour videos), this is how he started working on self-driving in 2014 (the topic of the day in Silicon Valley at the time), etc. Right now the trendy topic is "datacenters in space". He didn't come up with the idea: Google did it first with Project Suncatcher. But he will now try to grift the hell out of the concept.

It's gotta be quantum computing next right?

xAI buys X since Musk has a higher ownership stake in that.  Then SpaceX buys xAI since there's some real profit as well as lots of investor cash in it. Ta-dah! ...it's a fraud Turdunken!

I mean, he's been talking about these fake electric supersonic vertical takeoff jets for a long time now, so maybe he'll have some of his cultists make a cgi video next time he needs to pump the stock? Surprised he hasnt already honestly.

That source is just a think piece and has no bearing on what is actually practical. It’s written by a random journalist with no real expertise to get clicks. And Nvidia isn’t very discerning with the ideas it’ll hype up. If it involves buying their GPUs they’re basically down to promote anything.

Electro shielding, weight, it's an absolutely dumb idea.

It is not his idea, he got it from the "Abundance" book that talks about datacenters and even factories in space. He recently also often used the word abundance. It is a crazy idea. Power and cooling would be incredibly problematic, also solar radiation would probably cause a lot of problems, even with error correction capabilities of modern chips and memory.

Yes and mentioning "abundance" a lot. A grifter really can recognize a good grift.

Not every hype machine is as dishonest as Musk. I'm hearing enough serious people talking about it, and enough serious money being thrown at it that I don't think that cooling is an automatic dead end.

Fresh meat for future urban explorers (in like 5 years)

What serious people? And I don’t think Nvidia is being dishonest, they aren’t peddling it as the reason why they should be worth more money, they simply aren’t saying things are unrealistic as long as it involves buying their GPUs. They are doing the same thing with humanoid robots, saying Tesla is way ahead in self driving cars, etc. they’ll pay lip service to sell their shovels. Their tech is legit, they just won’t point out when their customers’ tech isn’t. And what serious people are talking about it?

the problem is the next 5 year and 2 weeks / 3 month has already come and gone many times over. I've used FSD in San Francisco of all places - it wasn't flawless - but it got me from a to b without really touching it. Impressive, and yes it was self driving. All that to say is we'll need something more for TSLA to pop, as FSD seems to mostly work. I'm thinking they are done with Automobiles (no automobile platform updates, vaporware "roadster" and "robotaxi" automobiles, and literally no new models on the horizon). Robotaxi in Austin just got flagged for bullshit, so that will never become a "Service" - the Million Dollar model 3 will *never* happen for anyone. So that means all the eggs are in the teslabot? I see another 5 years for investors to realize this is a worse product than FSD and then shit really hits the fan. No one will be buying Tesla Automobiles (there will be zero advancements in the next 5 years) while all the new automobiles from legacy manufactures and even China will be destroying anything tesla is still doing. Investors will become cautious and funding for R&D for the bot will vanish (no income stream from autos, no confidence from investors as elon has failed on so many promisis already). What happens next is anyone's guess, but **you are right, TSLA will get booted from the S&P500** and maybe that's the impetus for the "pop"

Removing "sustainable" from Tesla's vision statement screams of screwing the environment - so Bitcoin

Scam con charlatan. A crash is inevitable. The greatest reverse wealth transfer in history

I could at least buy quantum in space, because nobody understands it anyway. So that’s my bet

He can get his fleet of robots to build it. Lol.

Bill Ackman SPARC merge with SpaceX for IPO, giving TSLA shareholders first dibs. Then the new company buys xAI. I didn’t come up with this, Bill Ackman did and proposed last week.

He tends to follow whatever is getting investor money. It'll be AI for a while.

If Musk can't remove the safety monitors from his robotaxis, it will prove he lied about robotaxis. Will fElon be given more time to lie more about humanoid robots?

JFC...

If Tesla shipped unsupervised fsd two years ago, it’d be special. Now, it’ll be in with at least four other companies

Police/military robots. He’s said as much pretty often.

Damn shame I couldn’t get the links to work!

I think he's gonna ride the AI bubble for a while since that's where the hype is, try to convince people that xAI datacenters are somehow going to beat everyone at everything,

And since we're presumably talking about SpaceX LEO satellites they're only receiving solar insolation every other 45 minutes and need batteries to cover the rest. So they don't even have that much of a power availability advantage over land based solar.

Robots.

> All that to say is we'll need something more for TSLA to pop, as FSD seems to mostly work. Mostly working is still basically worthless. Or at best worth a very small fraction of the hundreds of billions to trillions in yearly revenue Elon claims robotaxis are worth. It may not be hard to find people who rave about how much they love supervised FSD but it's not something very many people are willing to drop significant money on. And there's nothing to indicate safe unsupervised wide scale FSD is close. What little data we have shows that they're not close. And Tesla's approach of gradual incremental progress using a large fleet of (mostly) untrained testers has the problem that at some point it can actually become less safe as it becomes harder to acclimate people to properly supervise FSD that very rarely but unpredictably needs intervention. I don't know why so few big institutional investors and analysts seem to be aware of any of this uncertainty and risk.

He will shift to SpaceX and Tesla will just ride along.

Data out is probably the most trivial part of all of this. AI use-cases basically mean an immense amount of crunching to yield a small output. Good points though. I had not given it enough thought.

I think you're being a little narrow in your perspective. All of these things have real challenges in bringing them to market and it doesn't seem like you're considering them in your criticism.

One thing that has completely disappeared is the whole idea that your personal car will run an autonomous taxi service for you that can earn roughly $30k in revenue a year. this was the original big hype scheme that has seem to have morphed into this whole Waymo copycat. he no longer talks about the car running a taxi service for you to generate income.

I know people don’t want to live near one, but isn’t that taking it a bit far?

Oh right, I forgot about his brain implants. I bet that will work s will as self drive, and I definitely trust him with my brain.

I think it could be some sort of “revolutionary” nuclear power, although that could be off brand. Cold fusion, or claiming to be on the brink of making nuclear something better and safer. He’ll repurpose nuclear submarine tech (motors - very safe) and enable the building of Newcular (nuclear rebrand) gigaphalus plants. They’ll be the quickest, simplest, cheapest power supplier in the world and the safest by a magnitude of 69 using a “unique gigaproto-cellular design”. He’ll keep the grift going as he’ll position it for ai data centre’s and his tech bros. They can pay Elmo to add the required number of Gigaproto-cells (repurposed submarine engines) as required. He’ll talk of it like an infinite power glitch.

People always forget solar tiles, that's my favorite scam if his .

I wouldn't bet on negative earnings. Tesla can still do some creative accounting and save a few quarters.

That is a beauty, dead people cannot sue.

The Whole Valley Tech Sector is currently fraud.

He will probably think of something garbage. All I do know is that whatever it is; Las Vegas or Texas will be the first to purchase the useless asset with hard earned tax dollars.

Bros… you really thing this man is a conman? It’s insane that you think this. Simple question: Why shoud be a conman the richest man in the world? Where does it stop for a conman? Why would a conman work his ass off. It does not make sense wake up

Musk University…

He wants to go visit the planet Gor I guess.

I know that fewer people have kids these days, but it's still funny to me that nobody promoting shared autonomous taxis for all our transport needs ever considers that a lot of people have child car seats installed in their vehicles, and it's really unsafe to transport a young child without one.

He's probably not even "making it up" as such; it's more like, he's seen/heard about something another company is doing that sounds cool, and gone back to his engineers and told them they have to do the same thing faster and better. Maybe he genuinely believes they will because he has the best people and the best leadership. He's telling his staff to do it next year then he tells the investors the same. This was probably true at Theranos as well; leaders who haven't spent long enough at the coalface often like to imagine that they'll get their teams to develop the technology through pure charisma and enthusiasm, and ignore any information to the contrary.

There's a kids book from the 70s, "the book of the future" (ISBN: 9781803709543). If you look through it you'll find a lot of the things Musk talks about. There's sections that cover something that looks a lot like a hyperloop, there's electric cars with self driving, there's autonomous robots, there's bases on Mars. It's where he gets all his ideas from. So from looking through that book one thing jumped out - nuclear fusion. There's already companies setting up reactors but no doubt Musk will "invent" fusion and he'll be about to build fusion reactors with electricity that's "too cheap to meter", coming just next year.

Damn. Good luck with the energy and water bills.

Dont forget him announcing AI-Chips a few month back. Just casually saying they will 5x NVIDIAs Chips by efficiency and Performance while having no fabs no contracts no nothing. You can literaly see him pulling those numbers out his a** on stage and the shareholders and press gobble it up. I would pay money to see the reactions of Tesla employees every time they hear about the new world saving technology they should have developed yesterday

This is a good example of how easy it is to fall for nonsense.

Brain computer interface. He'll promise neuralink implants that let you download skills like The Matrix in one year and the ability to upload your consciousness into the cloud in 5 years.

I’m amazed the spin on robots, taxis and AI5 chips. Last spring he said AI5 chip was nearly done, and by years end robotaxi would be deployed and 10s of thousands of robots would be built. in November he said AI5 was nearly completed with design and robotaxi in Austin would double, and added that soon Tesla would be the biggest chip designer and fabricator in the world. and now we here there’s like 5 taxis operating with drivers in Austin. he missed every mark this year and just kept doubling down with promises, with every Tweet treated as being a groundbreaking announcement.

Plenty of morons still think this is going to happen

Grifters gonna grift

Or just outright lie about the results. Whats to stop any organization from cooking the books? I’m pretty sure a donation to the ball room will keep the SEC/IRS/DOJ away.

He's got a knack for selling. No doubt he has the right combination of talent to pull it off. Steve Jobs was like this.

Even if you have a talent for selling, why work hard when you are already the richest man? He has his north star and is trying to achieve this.

You forgot the DOGE scam.

Daycare in minnesota?

Nuclear energy, I am calling it. He will buy an existing company or start one after SpaceX IPOs. He needs to convince the fan bases that he is serious about the Mars and is searching solutions for energy issues. Solar and battery itself cannot sustain anything he claims. Nuclear guys, possibly some unproven nano reactor technology (not micro reactors fyi). Before EOY 2027.

Oh crap I saw your comment after posting mine - we have the same vision.

Ai is definitely his next grift

Incredibly enough its NOT from Tesla BUT does use Tesla crap in their animations: [https://www.starcloud.com/](https://www.starcloud.com/) This is like the GATEWAY FUNDATION [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue35X4DFeQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue35X4DFeQ) They too "partnered with Spacex" and 100 others (except none of them knew of it! lol) \- i get the confusion. This sounds 100% like the kind of crap Elon came up with! Someone beat him to it

Do you know the movie IN TIME? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOfUJ9yBT8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOfUJ9yBT8) Yeah, it's 100% on brand to steal some old SCIFI idea and proclaim 'he came up with it'! Like he CANT shut up about fucking Bladerunner... tbh: a world in which billionaires live forever- THAT IS WHAT HELL LOOKS LIKE

In other countries, if you give your kid a SHIT NAME... they TAKE YOUR CHILD AWAY. I am 100% for this. You are NOT fit to be a parent if you name your kid !\^"$="$"ħASJNe

I hope you are right- this was very insightful, thank you.

Mostly work. No. I read the Tesla subs. For every 15-second clip of "its great you guys" you get another "oh shit you guys". AI is a plate of noodles - you cant look into its brain, and the camera approach is utterly useless. You can't use them in: glare, snow, rain, dark, or when leaves or a shadow is on the road! IF the system were autonomous, WHICH IT ISN'T (supervised!), they have to take 100% responsibility. Not going to happen. Elon said so himself, 'he wants to be off the hook'... This, and he is a cheap fuck whose cars end DEAD LAST in built quality year after year in surveys around the world. But IF you think they are "there" or "soon" (as it was SOON for literal 10 years), ask your self this: are the taxis in the DUGOUT LOOP with or without driver? ... < if so, it's still trash. If you can't do a 1 way, single lane, no crossing traffic lane (which you built yourself) what are the chances you can do messy roads - RELIABLY without killing people and doing cover-ups? Which - they also - DID. If you use FSD... well... bye... might be the last time we spoke.

Never going to happen.

It is impossible for FSD to be level 5. Ever. There is just no way. Cameras don't cut it. You NEED to be 100% because companies will have to take the blame because human lives are at stake! Fog, glare, rain, leaves, snow, sun, shadows- ALL OF WHICH fuck Tesla camera only.

I forgot? And 8 people WHO DID NOT READ agree. \> BRAINCHIPS... Try again.

Circle jerk copying the AI bubble? Now that is a given.

Well, he DID DOJO ... which i forgot to add earlier. Its very hard to remember all his crap!

Added the fk DOJO, almost forgot that fraud. Bonus fact: SnakeChargers for autonomous summons! (mentioned ONCE in 10 years)

Ah man, that one really must not have gotten any traction

Probably. Using flying Teslas to shoot Rockets! HE IS good at letting stuff explode

They pushed that to 2030. not kidding

Yeah and I will turn into a talking horse by then.

Work his ass off? You've seen how FAT his ass is?

Hm Doge didn't make him richer. It just kept him out of jail and ruined America ♥

Well that is already going. For a while.

I'd say new Atlas is a real-life "work bot"- while the G1 is an 'entertainment bot' Though both do show an impressive range of movement and were able to keep their balance. Idk if new Atlas fell on his face but old Atlas sure did. Not that is an issue when doing parkour... G1, did an entire concert with complex movement and a flip the likes only SPOT could do. Either do - what they do - great. I can't say one is better or worse than the other. Just one thing i can for certain: they both take a giant oily shit on Optimus :D

At some point that will happen. The line between the haves and have-nots will really mean something then. Here’s to Musk trying the beta version on himself

Oh so you just didn't make the connection? Also. Why so angry? Is it because my comment has more up votes than your crappy post?

Thanks - I'm hoping there'll be more discussion as to whether earnings will, in fact, be reported as negative for Q4, presumably, in about a month's time. I have seen comments seemingly quite confident they will be, what with the various subsidy/tax/whatever changes (I am no expert on this). There must be a limit to what fudging can be done with sales down and the free money drying up.

Tbh i think those morons actually just forgot about it and moved on lol

> He's already moving on to data centers in space This is literally the dumbest fucking take possible, man... MS tried to put a test DC in the ocean for cooling, which "made sense" and was physically doable... but I mean, my god -- unless there is a technology that can replace fiber for bandwidth (maybe lasers?) The cost to place a DC in space is just literally nonsensical. I mean, it's not going to be able to generate enough power from solar (so you launch a nuclear reactor? Into orbit?), you have the lift costs, orbital debris is always gonna be an issue, solar flares are going to be an issue... I really dont even see what the benefit would be?

He is to be trained by the Sith.

The difference that I was trying to point out is that atlas isn't preprogrammed for motion like the dance bots are.. so yes it falls on its face because it is in real time adjusting to its environment and trying to adjust, while the dance bots were doing only what they were programmed to do right where they were supposed to be.

It's data centers in space. Some company put a computer in space, called it a "data center in space" (it's not, a data center is a large building filled with computers that is typically 100k square feet.) So, now Elon has to copy cat their scam because that's "how he operates his business."

A similar stupid idea like Mars.

Space (asteroid) mining.

Well. You are wrong on most of this. There is plenty of energy from solar to run it, there is also enough bandwidth, starlink & laser communication routing can actually beat terrestrial routing due to less hops and switch negotiations. That said. The one reason why it won’t work will be what it always is. Maintaining the systems just can’t happen. There are some benefits to it though. Much of the datacenter legacy / ongoing costs go away, water, electricity, zoning, land, taxes. And you can insure the payload to get your money back. And it’s not like anyone can really investigate it. They can just keep launching them for the hardware costs, which can be substantially cheaper than a traditional data centers, if they work… which they won’t. But then it becomes the insurances problem.

I absolutely do not believe this. Please give some citations.

You do realize that fiber is just lasers through bendable glass? Terrestrial fiber over large distances / countries has a lot of hops internally within a data centers. Starlink laser links are the same thing but without bgp and the addition routing (although cgnat is annoying). Laser links being faster than terrestrial fiber [Link](https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.07737) Space solar is about 4-5x generation vs the best conditions you have on earth, and can be 24/7. Even [generating in space and downlinking to earth has huge generation benefits ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power) But once again, maintaining it makes it not viable. Some even state more than that. >Space-based solar panels can generate 2,000 GW of power constantly, or about 40 times more energy than a solar panel would generate on Earth, according to the National Space Society. [Link](https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/space-based-solar-power-offers-out-of-this-world-challenges) If you need a link for sat insurance… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_insurance Fair to say this is not a point of contention though.

Sounds like you made the case for me! Thank you for the info, very interesting stuff! Don't you still have to take the additional hops once that laser hits the terrestrial station, correct? Also, I am not sure the MW of an average datacenter seems like between 20MW-500MW, so to me that sounds like a shiton of solar, and I assume those panels degrade, get damaged, etc... So how do you maintain everything? How do you upgrade? How many rockets, lift, and cost does it take to put that all into space? I also didnt even think of insurance, who's gonna underwrite those bonds? Not like it's not possible, but why not build that shit on the moon while we are at it and mine He-3

If you actually read my posts rather than being sarcastic, you would see that in my original post I stated everything you just said as to why it WONT HAPPEN because it is not maintainable and how it is not a viable solution. Just that your original arguments for it were wrong. So thanks for now using my (correct) points as to why this won’t work.

Aww, yes, I obviously misread your initial post, good stuff though, gave you an upvote!

Just for the actual answer to the last legitimate question you did have, regarding the terrestrial side of things for dc compute in space. That really isn’t much of an issue as dc llm compute networking traffic is mostly internode, not input/output. So if it were to exist, it wouldn’t really be going down to the earth much at all. These nodes would really only be used for training, not inference. In fact, it’s really only observablity being outputted from it. And new data batches which are actually very little bw all things considered.

Gotycha, Thank you! Sorry for going off half-cocked there and not reading your reply thoroughly.

No kidding, they're gonna get fucked by that thing

visit r/TeslaFSD and you’ll change your mind

I think he will try to do something with his AI company or Space X to increase the value of Tesla. I mean he already has space X buying cyber trucks

Spacex is already purchasing 100’s of CT’s

Pretty sure he took Americans’ personal data.

I think Elon Musk will have flying car or flying taxi come out very soon to pump TSLA stock price.

Elon Musk could sell tickets to the Mars, pre-order but pay $5,000 up front now.

Joke is on the communities, he will just walk away from it all when it's no longer making him money. Probably sell it to an independent startup he owns hen "sells" it to them for a token price and then leave the community on the hook for the unpaid bills.

Let's say you're right on everything, so how are they going to get it up there given Elon's struggles to get rockets, particularly large ones, into space?

I feel like many people are growing wise to his never ending BS predictions. There are video timeline compilations of Elon saying, "I feel confident that by this time next year... (insert bullshit that never happens). A long running one is the completely autonomous self driving cars.

Uh, Falcon 9 has a pretty good track record and I would be surprised if each node is bigger than a falcon 9 payload anyway, distributed compute would definitely be the way to go versus larger payloads, similar to how starlink was done. That said, If I am right on everything, which I am, then this line that you skipped over is probably the one you wanted to read before you made your snarky response. >The one reason why it won’t work will be what it always is. Maintaining the systems just can’t happen. There are going to be a lot more challenges. Particularly around radiation, bitflipping, and forgoing the standard datacenter maintenance (along with the massive vibrations from launch) that is ultimately going to make a lot of this pretty hard to pull off. modern GPUs arent really designed to deal with space and as things get smaller, they become more error prone.

I think Tesla is just "line go up" at this point. It seems to be working, I have to admit.

My concern would be radiation.

He loves shuffling money around between companies to make them look better. Most recent is having SpaceX buy a couple thousand Cybertrucks so Tesla can report sales of them.

Space based Solar Power. Cheers

Space station and Moon condos. Reserve yours today!

Not yet. I would think that QC is too scary for Musk, because his venture into traditional computing (DOJO) was a huge failure. If you can't build a decent traditional computer then how are you going to manage a quantum one? But then again it's Musk so who knows lol.

>Why shoud be a conman the richest man in the world? Why should the richest man in the world be anything but a con man? Throughout history the wealthiest have always been seedy criminals.

Republicans are criminals.

He is selling data centers in space. Needless to say how dumb this idea is.

It’s not getting deindexed based on a single quarter loss even if they admit it, and I’m saying this as someone who has bet heavily against the company.  But it would be cool if it were eventually taken out of the s+p.  Imagine the carnage

As long as Donnie&Co are in power, he can always get a quick financial "power boost" from the Feds, the grift doesn't even have to be really good.

as someone who doesn'y know about the stock market why would they get kicked out of the S&P 500?

Most of what I know about the machinations of the S&P Index Committee can be found in [this document](https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf), and [this podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-secretive-committee-behind-the-s-p-500/id1318276878?i=1000493207978). In short there are inclusion criteria which include being in profit. As soon as a stock fails to meet all the inclusion criteria it can be removed. Usually they leave them in if negative earnings are perceived to be temporary, e.g. Intel, Boeing, but I think it is probable the Index Committee will view Tesla very differently. Firstly, as you can hear more about in [the podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-secretive-committee-behind-the-s-p-500/id1318276878?i=1000493207978), the S&P Index Committee were criticised for delaying including Tesla in the Index, even when it had met the inclusion criteria for a year or so. This may be an indication of a perception, even as far back as 2020, held by members of the Committee, that the stock is potentially unstable. It is clear that S&P would prefer to avoid unstable stocks that are likely to behave in ways unrepresentative or their sector, or of the market as a whole. Secondly, each S&P stock is associated with a sector which, for Tesla, is Automobile Manufacturers. Anyone on the Committee looking for an excuse to eject it could argue that, even if it does return to profitability, it will only be likely to do so in some sector other that Automobile Manufacturers, so it should be ejected and readmitted, if and when that happens, in whatever sector has become applicable. In short I expect the members of that committee are highly intelligent people who will be able to see through Musk's ~~BS~~ corporate puffery, they will realise it is only a question of when TSLA is going to collapse in value, and, given that it currently has a market cap c. 20 times that of Enron at its peak, they will simply want to ensure they get it out of the Index before that collapse happens, and the only certain way to do that is to kick it out as soon as their rules allow.

This is the aspect I feel least confident about. As I explain [above](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1pxco1n/comment/nxax8t2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button), I have a strong feeling the Index Committee will be inclined to eject it as soon as earnings turn negative. Tl;dr: because, notwithstanding the fact they rarely invoke them so sharply their rules allow them to do so, and they'll be aware there is a huge risk of this stock, with a market cap now c. 20 times that of Enron at its peak, is running out of road and could collapse in value at any time. I might be wrong and, for reasons I cannot imagine, the Committee will want to keep it in despite negative earnings. What I am pretty sure about, having read [their methodology documentation](https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf), is that, if it remains in profit, it is very unlikely to be ejected if earnings remain positive. Up until a few weeks ago I kept seeing posts and comments in this subreddit from people who seemed to know what they were talking about who thought Q4 negative earnings were a foregone conclusion but, it seems, less so now. Has something changed?

I know it would be unprecedented, but I think it is likely to happen in any case, as in each and every other case, e.g. Intel, Boeing, the companies were not run by madmen abusing drugs, lying all the time, getting involved in extreme politics, releasing absurd products, etc. I think they'll want to kick it out as soon as [their rules](https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf) allow them to do so, and negative earnings do allow immediate exclusion, notwithstanding the fact that this may never have happened before.

Who are the suckers who still buy anything this man says.

Yeah, and Google's skunkworks "X labs" (which has a great website, btw) has even been using Elmo's favorite letter. Thanks for the great summary. Musk really does just parrot whatever Valley fantasy / fever dream is currently in fashion. He's been leaning heavily into the Singularity / Post-scarcity abundance for a while and I assume he will continue to push that. A lot of people on this sub don't seem to get that the true believers think Tesla will crack General AI. True sentient machines would be, to put it mildly, an epochal change which would most likely upend civilization as we know it (either Skynet wiping out mankind or ushering in an age of luxury space communism, lol). Anyway, the idea of creating a sentient machine (that is smarter than a human) and then enslaving it so it can be a chauffeur is... comically problematic. On the plus side. Tesla / humanity isn't going to crack General AI any time soon so we probably won't have to worry about any of this.

But there is no laser communication routing.

? Starlink uses it today

No it doesnt. It doesn't exist. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

I don't get it. do you think satellites aren't real and the earth is flat or something? 1. [It's Well known That starlink uses laser liinks](https://www.lightnowblog.com/2024/02/ir-lasers-link-9000-starlink-satellites-and-move-42-million-gb-per-day/) 2. [Heres an entire paper & presentation on it](https://spie.org/photonics-west/presentation/Achieving-99-link-uptime-on-a-fleet-of-100G-space/12877-1#_=_)

Starlink does NOT use lasers. It was talked about but that's all. Look at that crap you're posting, that's not from Starlink.

Nonsense. Nobody can live forever.

>but it got me from a to b without really touching it. Impressive, and yes it was self driving. But what was the point? You had to watch the road and be ready to intervene every second of the trip. How is that better than just driving?

>He didn't come up with the idea: Google did it first Actually it's from science fiction, specifically William Gibson.

> This presentation offers an overview of the design, mass manufacturing, and operational challenges confronted in the development of SpaceX’s global satellite laser mesh operating in Low Earth Orbit (LEO). The Starlink network consists of over 5,000 free-space optical communication terminals, each achieving data transmission rates of 100Gbps and link uptime over 99%, enabling high-speed global internet coverage. There is the abstract of the presentation I posted.

Is it directly from Starlink, yes or no. Because there are no fucking lasers on Starlink satellites.

Any cell can be reset to its nascent state. Read about Yamanaka Factors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell) and epigenetic programming.  Altos Labs is already working on applying partial reprogramming for tissue and organ regeneration. They've got a lot of strong researchers lile Shinya Yamanaka himself. Dude won a Nobel prize for discovering iPSCs.

Electoral fraud