Zoox is ahead of Tesla

It's obviously true. Waymo and Apollo (owned by Baidu) are both launching in London in 2026. Apollo are already doing 250K fully autonomous trips per week. Tesla aren't competitive and it's going to become so obvious even the shareholders start to see it.

This sub is just pathetic, posting someone’s clueless option thinking it’s some sort of validation. Can you say desperate?

Interesting take,! I wish I could invest in zoox. I think they will win because Elon bad.

You clearly are underestimating the cult. Tesla will post negative earnings this quarter and Tesla will still skyrocket to 2000 if elon promises 100Billion Optimus robots by end of next year.

If you‘re not competing, everyone and their mother is ahead of you.

If Tesla solves FSD in the next couple years it won’t matter. If it doesn’t it won’t matter either, just for a different reason. Saying Tesla is behind right now means nothing. Just that you are failing to understand what is really going on.

I agree the earnings don't matter and car volumes now don't either since the AI/robot pivot narrative, but I think falling behind on innovation eventually will. It may take years.

AI/Robot is so last year. Tesla is already a Microchip company out to take NVIDIA's lunch.

My mother is only tied with Tesla at zero driverless/operatorless miles, using NHTSA classification of in-vehicle (e.g. passenger seat) and remote (e.g. chase car) drivers/operators “other than a consumer…capable of providing…driving, fallback, and/or assistance.” I’m not claiming nobody’s ridden my mom, or I wouldn’t be here, but I’d consider my dad a driver/operator in that context.

They all are tbh.

The leaders in autonomous driving are (scores normalized on Waymo): * Waymo (US): score=10 * Apollo (China): score=6 * WeRide (China): score=3 * PonyAI (China): score=2 * Zoox (US): score=1 * Cruise (US): score=1 * AutoX (China): score=1 Tesla cannot be included in the list since they only have L2 driver assistance tech, not L4. To date they have done 0 fully driverless miles (outside limited internal testing), while **all of the companies above have done at least 1,000,000 (with paid members of the public)**. In general, Waymo is far, far ahead of the competition. Zoox is doing fine though.

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The only thing Tesla is leading in is CEO compensation

This is what to explain to my wife every week when I'm buying lottery tickets

Everything is.

What do you mean? It’s not an opinion that the company has driven more driverless miles than Tesla, is it?

Oh you haven't heard of the Tesla Quantum? Yeah Tesla is gonna be the next quantum computing everything company

Well said

I disagree. If you are right and we see negative earnings I think the S&P Index Committee will kick them out of the 500. I know loads of stocks stay in despite having negative earnings but this is a very different situation to Boeing or Intel. They'll've worked out what we have, that it is only a matter of time before it collapses, and the only way to ensure it's not part of the 500 when that happens is to invoke their right, as per [their own rules](https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/methodologies/methodology-sp-us-indices.pdf), to de-index as soon as negative earnings are reported.

Remember, Tesla currently has over 4 million Hardware 3 vehicles and 3 million Hardware 4 vehicles on the road, with Hardware 4 vehicles able to be full self-driving with an over-the-air software update, plus over 6 billion miles driven with FSD Supervised

Please, please may this be a true prophecy. This would be hilarious.

Gods, I hope this happens.

"with Hardware 4 vehicles able to be full self-driving with an over-the-air software update" Are you interested in purchasing a bridge? There are some really nice ones in NYC.

HW5 is stated for scheduled release in January 2026, but was revised during the Q2 2025 earnings call to the end of 2026 In July 2025, Tesla announced that it has signed a deal with Samsung to make chips, including the HW6 (AI6) chip.

Everyone is ahead of tesla

Dont worry we wont ban you like the other subs. You can come here to the read the reality

There will be non GAAP ways to push the liabilities to the other end of the year and Tesla will use every trick in the book. There's a reason Tesla CFO is a very short term job. No one wants to be caught massaging the financials. But someone's gotta do it.

Neither HW3 nor HW4 will meet the threshold for safety to be Level 4. It is full self driving in name only. Elon have promised they would year after year, but come on, there’s a very good reason that they cannot figure out how to deliver on it. The safety data from Austin - even with safety driver - clearly shows the deficiencies of the platform. In the meantime, competitors that included LiDAR have far surpassed Tesla on autonomy, even though Tesla were supposed to have more training data.

They compensate him for more than the company has ever made lol. The only thing he is good at which is great for shareholders is increasing shareholder value. Which of course then is way more than what he is being paid.

It is. My advice is to leave ASAP. There is no way for you to achieve anything positive here. You will be ridiculed, straw manned and called names endlessly. I just came here out of curiosity, but I am not staying in this cesspool of idiots. You shouldn't either.

Wait til you hear about their restaurants

Then why has Tesla not launched a robotaxi yet? After years of delay Musks drop dead date was June 22, we are now 6 months past that. Somethings wrong! The real question is what will show first, Tesla’s Robotaxi or the Great Pumpkin?

How is this score calculated?

You're msotly right. What you're wrong about is the shareholders seeing (or more importantly, admitting) it. The "We just flip a switch and everyone will have a robotaxi that logs 10,000 miles/day!" crowd won't acknowledge reality any time soon

trust me bro

We should learn from Elon, that is, to inspire people and become trillionaires

I am genuinely still curious what you are implying with your comment? Are you implying that those vehicles could become autonomous as in Level 4 capabilities?

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I mean duh, Tesla is dead last, everyone is ahead of them.

Tesla cultist live in a vacuum. They do not understand the concept of competitive markets.