What will the collapse of Elon actually look like? Would it tear down all his businesses? Is he too big to fail? Are any of his businesses too big to fail (SpaceX I can see being propped up but others?).
SpaceX could undergo a forced buyout or restructuring.
I think we will die of old age before that happens. I wonder did people who were shouting from the rooftops about Enron or Theranos only to get ignored by greed feel the same bemusement as we do.
Please don’t use similes that could result in people imagining Elon naked… urgh…
He hasn’t been?
Nothing
SpaceX isn't going anywhere, it could be nationalized or sold but at this moment it's too important to US space interests including national security
Yeah, I watch the videos of Thuderf00t from time to time. He's been shouting from the rooftops that Elon is a fraud and lying conman for like 15 years now. Despite having all the receipts and making amazing arguments with video evidence including conflicting false statements from Elon himself, All the cult members and Elon-gelicals were constantly calling him a liar. Maybe like 5% of the comments were in agreement with Thuderf00t. It was a little over a year ago that he claimed the momentum has finally shifted. Says it's vindication for him.
Or nationalization since it’s been mostly NASA funded aka the taxpayer
I doubt that, except as transition. Too much private equity is already involved.
Eh... without the hype, SpaceX is just another launch provider, and one with a shit ton of potential liability from empty promises. If I were an 'investor' I'd be thrilled to take a government buyout if the shit ever hits the fan.
Tesla crumbles when that happens… and it isn’t far. Give it 4 months max
I assume he looks like the traitor guy from the movie “your highness”
My theory is the trillionaire dollar pay dollar pay package with depress the price of the stock and with his billions he will just buy more shares up to 51% and then resurrect the company when he pivots to pure space ventures
Absurd analogy. Last time I checked, Tesla delivered almost 500,000 cars in a quarter. Where’s the fraud in that? That’s a far cry from the fraudulent deliveries from Theranos. Enron was a different kind of fraud.
This has been repeated over and over again for years, now. I dislike Musk immensely, and find him to be one of the biggest, lying narcissists alive. But, he is Teflon. He is too big to fail. TSLA is immune to reality for this reason. I hate him, but, Id never bet against him.
> Where’s the fraud in that? Its probably the promises of 20 billion strong poverty ending robot armies and flying robotaxis that people are talking about.
Elon is a state actor in my opinion. His empire is fine so long as he runs his companies in alignment with US geopolitical and technological ambitions (ie. spacex, starlink, Ai, etc.). The US gov doesn't have the money to do these things anymore, so they've offloaded it onto their pet oligarchs. That said, he screwed over the Dems so badly that should they come back into power he may find himself inside a prison cell.
Has your Model 3 been making you money while you sleep since 2020?
What do you mean when? He's a well known idiot and fraudster, just look at his history of telling people self driving is 6 months away. The man is a Nazi clown.
The reason he is getting away with it is that he has almost every major investment firm on the hook for billions of dollars in the loans on his stock. The investment firms are collecting hundreds of millions each year in interest but if the stock ever tanks then they could be on the hook for billions. So for all intents and purposes the investment firms have invested in Tesla. This is why so many of them keep pumping out unrealistic stock valuations and buy recommendations. In addition Elon has created a Ponzi scheme that is almost too big to fail. If the stock ever falls to the level he would risk the equivalent of a margin call it would cause a domino effect taking most of the banks and investment firms with it. Enron was b league compared to this.
Yes but there is no way a buyout would approach the current valuations. Permanent nationalization isn't really an American thing. Government can step in to oversee a governance and ownership transition then step out. Even using leverage to encourage it, without actually stepping into ownership, can also be realistic. What Gov should really do, since they practically funded it, would be to buy out or acquire or carve out the falcon 9 tech and methodology and bid it to domestic offerors to allegedly make the entire market more efficient. But there is still the issue of SpX secret work with the DoD, also which may have the greatest interest for any kind of nationalization.
Simps still gonna simp.
He will off himself or be offed
Some of you need to get a hobby that’s more healthy
When you owe the bank a million dollars, the bank owns you. When you owe the bank a billion dollars, you own the bank.
He’s not too big to fail. No one depends on his cars, satellites or rockets and no one will miss his boring machine if someone just back filled the hole. Even the rockets and satellites that get used by governments are replaceable.
I do enjoy a good Thunderf00t video/rant. Like he's said, only a small percentage of his videos are about fElon, but they receive the most hate.
I have similar posts I read 7 years ago when I bought a bunch of shares. My basis is $17.50. That God there are so many short sellers in the market who are wrong. I’m quite happy they exist and have funded my retirement.
People now treat oligarchs like their favorite football teams. Even if the owner, head coach, and star quarterback of “their team” visited Epstein island they wouldn’t change their favorite team. They’re committed to their team no matter what. Goes for Elon and Trump. They can’t be persuaded against “their team” no matter how bad it gets. These people just need to die of old age and phase out for things to change.
\+1. Elon's "value" numbers will fluctuate, but he has a significant quantity of cultists, both in the wild, in Wall Street and in government, that he will always be a powerful figure. Regardless of TSLA he'll eventually die extremely comfortably like virtually any oligarch, on top of the pile of corpses and lies from his past.
He has been exposed already. His supporters aren't capable of understanding or caring. These are the same idiots who fell for Theranos. When Elizabeth Holmes gets out, they'll fall for her again. They'll probably fall for her bullshit while she's still in.
>if the shit ever hits the fan That was kind of key to what I said.
He will be fine. People investing in companies will get screwed
Nothing, apparently.
They know it's a house of cards, but there's more value to squeeze now before they dump it all on our 401k's so we take the hit for it.
He already has been, but enough people seem to be fine with it
He's been exposed numerous times. But the stock just goes up.
Very nice. J.P. Morgan out today with 150 price target ! Still way to high. Imo
People will be left holding bags and those who knew all along will have gotten out of the stock and profit off its downfall. Elon will be forgotten and the wealthy will increase their wealth significantly.
How many times has it happened already? The cult still believes!
You bet he will cry like a baby a d blame mean secret terrorist organizations influencing the market a d whatnot Basically the illuminati and matrix is after him! (For real. He is a heavy drug user and off his chair.
Elon himself isn’t too big to fail, not that I expect it, but it is POSSIBLE that he get ousted from his companies, although unlikely. His companies themselves are stable enough they will outlive him, Tesla/SpaceX at least. Especially Tesla could use a change in leadership just to show Elon isn’t the one and only person that can lead them. And while it may result in a correction of their valuation, that’s been long overdue, though that also may never happen
I think how it will go down is that it will become clear the car selling business isn't profitable enough for Tesla the stock will tank like 90%. Then xai will buy and they will change the stock listing to xAI and he's back to pumping hopes and dreams and doesn't have to worry about selling cars anymore. They could even spin out the car business and retain the fsd part, say it's an open platform product.
Is Elon an article of clothing? I mean he’s a bad person, but starlink and spacex are revolutionary and he’s accelerated electric car adoption - so probably never.
I think he / at least two of his bunsinesses / are too big to fail. I wasn't even including Tesla. But that one also might be too big not to affect too many people
The dems don't put anyone in prison
I’m aware of the fable. The way the title is written, it almost sounds like Elon is the invisible suit for someone else.
This. You’ll get 20 to life for selling crack, but scamming people out of billions of dollars and using fraudulent practices in the medical field is worth just over 10 years apparently and you get out on “good behavior”
The same as Tucker and DeLorean. Total public humiliation,
The ONLY thing that saved Tesla was the GFC and stimulus.
Let’s be real. Unless there is a French Revolution like events happens in America, he will be fine.
Tesla shares are going to hurt in the next quarter. They sold a lot of cars in the run up to the end of the tax credit. Without innovation and new models, people aren’t going to keep buying their products. Eventually shareholders will see the BS for what it has always been.
I don't think there's any point in predicting Tesla's. Any logic or reason has been thrown out the window at this point, and any claims of when the inevitable end will come have yet to be realized. It could be four months, but I wouldn't be surprised if the whole facade keeps going for a while longer.
Hahaha, Carter Page, Trumps CFO, Jan 6 participants, and a few others would like to talk with you
It already happened. He has a cult.
Musk jumping around like a madman on stage to promote Trump and doing Roman salutes definitely was a turning point for many people who didn’t care before - that’s on a global level, not just in the US. Tesla will sell fewer EVs in important car markets like California, Western Europe etc. - where Trump isn’t exactly popular, to put it very mildly;) If Tesla can’t deliver on new revenue drivers like Optimus robots or FSD robotaxis (with no safety drivers or other gimmicks!) in 2026, that “Emperor Has No Cloth” moment may be upon us soon. My guess is towards the end of 2026, maybe even before. Then the stock will also crater…. it’s so overvalued that it could really crash hard and fast. Tha’s my prediction for the next 15 or so months.
The company has loads of cash and is still selling a lot of cars. The stock price will not bring the company down entirely.
Tesla has a lot of cash, a lot of resources, and makes a lot of cars. A stock price crash will not destroy the company. What would happen is they would get a new CEO, stockholders will lose their pants, and Tesla will become a regular car company.
Yes. Look up Cassandra Complex. Comes with the territory (ecologist).
It will be -80% on stock price that’s all. No longer ultra high premium evaluation, but the company won’t die
Neither of those are revolutionary.
I don’t like Elon - but they most certainly are. Every modern iPhone in the world is an Epirb thanks to starlink and more importantly it’s the backbone of Ukrainian military command and control and enables much of their drone program. They might have fallen to the Russians without it.
His space tech puts him 5 to 10 years ahead of everyone else. With military usage of space accelerating he has a winner there. Tesla looks like toast though. Can only compete in protetected markets really.
He is a great businessman lol. What are you talking about?
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