Is Elon Musk Already Giving Up on Tesla's Robotaxis?

The goal post have moved on to the next vaporware and fanboys are eating it up.

You mean the two door gullwing design isn't a good idea for a taxi? Truly a genius that Elon.

The way this works is that it is always the next thing that is going to be massive and justify the valuation. It was going to be FSD then Robotaxis then the Cybertruck then a lower priced vehicle. Next humanoid robots and AI. You know Elon is thinking about flying Teslas.

I mean it’s the expected Elon behavior. Once he gets his payday he stops working.

We've moved onto the next thing to pump the stock already. Tesla at one point was a car company. Then an energy company. Then a robotics company. Now an AI company. All while continuing to make 90%+ revenue on cars and car services.

I’m amazed that the big funds have been complicit in this scam for so long. For years they hammered Google if sundar sneezed but Elon is literally getting high and dreaming nonsense

No wait, ROBOTS! That’s it! Robots on Mars? Hmmmm.

ai and robots are the new hype for Tesla

I like how he never got FSD to work but somehow thinks he’s figured out robots

1 trillion dollars, please!

He has...figured out how to make money from robots. He skips over the "mortal" parts of business and just collects the profits. It's very efficient.

Tesla stock up 5% on the news

1.4 trillion at this stock price

I have an account with Wedbush where Dan Ives is always trying to pump a Tesla. I told my broker a few weeks ago that Ives relationship with Tesla makes me not want to do business with them and to pass that on. It's almost like the funds have too much vested in Tesla to let it fail. When it does fall a lot of innocent people are going to go down with it because of this.

Why not keep defrauding investors??? It's worked well so far.

He's moved on to robots....🙄 the Ponzi scheme was getting too close for comfort to being exposed... on to the next project that he is woefully years behind on!!

More lies from the best con man who ever lived? He's got to be top 5 at least.

I was just referring to Musk's new pay deal that will get him $1 trillion if he successfully grifts his way towards meeting certain goals.

Tesla isn't a car company, or an AI company, or a robot company. It's a stock-price company. That's why Musk was offered a trillion dollars if the stock price keeps rising, rather than if the company actually makes a profit.

He certainly won't stop promising it any time soon. But as far as providing a compelling progress story goes he's given up years ago. The "We Robot" event and the Austin rollout was just more evidence of this. There might be more stunts and gimmicks coming but I wouldn't be that surprised if Tesla also pivots more to overhyping the value of supervised FSD.

Didn't he already promise that with the Roadster 2?

You know what would be better than robotaxis? Roni buses that are orders of magnitude cheaper to operate than current buses, enabling large scale transport that covers a much wider area than current services with greater frequency. This technology COULD be used to revolutionize public transport and create transportation systems that are affordable and efficient. They could reduce the reliance on cars by leaps and bounds and make for better, denser neighborhoods. But no, let’s make a vehicle that only carries a few people at a time to a random point, call that a transit solution, and then act surprised when traffic is still stupid bad in 40 years.

Now it’s an AI company but not Elon’s primary AI company.

Yeah it's totally going to have rocket thrusters developed by space X bro. It will do 0-60 in 1 second!

Tesla’s value is hype. He’s gotta keep the hype up. Literally sells hype. And when there’s no hype, they got to make more hype. Hype factory. Hype hype hype.

It’s all vaporware to prop up the stock price for him and his rich buddies

Everything is a con with Elon Musk. Everything.

Robots are easier to control remotely, mechanical turk style, because in most applications reaction time is less critical. So he can fake that one more easily.

Don’t forget the solar roof! And the semi!

The only news I think anyone wants to hear is when he’s being prosecuted. If Trump is claiming that he helped rig the machines then that’s all I want to hear about

its all about keeping the scam going, and releasing a crappy product or service allows him to say he did it and his cult will give him money, his cars cant even self drive in a tunnel he built.

Vaporware Memory Lane... Tesla semi Solar Roof 500 mile Cybertruck Flying Roadsters Cross Country autonomous trips Underground tunnel societies with Teslas on skateboards 20 billion strong sexbot armies Robotaxis $25k economy car Autowipers Ventilators Model S Plus Floating Cybertrucks Mars Colonies Intercontinental Rocket Travel Bulls, feel free to use this list for your "catalysts"

Who says it doesn’t work. I use it everywhere I drive. Or should I say the car uses it everywhere it drives.

The Market are fools to keep falling for the same thing

Yeah he said in an interview that 80% of Teslas the value is in Optimus. Instead of video games I think he sits at home kicking the can down the road all smoke and mirrors you wait till bottom falls out.

Lol and when they don’t make any money it’ll be snake oil that’s the next big thing

Hyperloop and Neuralink

Yeah that’s what I gather too reading between the lines of the roadmap they just released.

If Elon were to have a heart attack and pass, it could potentially crash the economy, seeing as TSLA would basically implode (jig would be up) and bankrupt some pensions Fucking wild.

How about AI powered taco truck?

Until the ketamine wore off.

The thing though is that when TSLA was at these levels back in 2021, their car sales were booming (and the promise of sustained 20+% growth for years seemed attainable given that everyone thought the jump from ICE to EVs will be complete in 5-7 years). Tesla’s margins were spectacular and they were the only ones able to profitably sell EVs. And on top of that, there was the autonomous driving promise. Today we just have the robotaxi, with Optimus thrown in, which is vaporware for the most part. The $7500 credit is going away and the elimination of CAFE credits will significantly erode TSLA’s bottom line. TLDR there was real top and bottom line momentum in 2021 along with moonshot promises which somewhat justified the stock price, and all that remains today is the latter. I wonder how long it can continue.

How about FSD on Mars?

He hates cars and thinks robotaxi is the way out of the car business, but robotaxis are still cars, lol.

Tesla stock is only go up!!

I have a Tesla so you can’t bs me. Also….the news, the lawsuits.

Like the Tesla board. Makes sense

It says you are still in control. There should be no lawsuits. Unless you have trouble reading, the software makes it clear that you as the licensed driver are responsible.

There have been 3 accidents already in about 2 months with only 12 vehicles on the road. These are not taxi type of problems but FSD problems of which most of the companies value is based on and what he says is ready. It is not ready. Now Tesla has the safety driver actually in the driver seat. The 3 accidents were minor with only one injury. But that rate is nowhere near being ready. And unlike other companies that have a working self driving taxi, Tesla completely hides the details of any accidents they have been involved in.

He was never serious

Elmo has no buddies.

First time? He’s a great marketer spends a decade hyping something to drive stock price up then shifts to the new shiny thing. Robots today next will be beaming technology.

And specifically he gave up on getting FSD to work BEFORE attempting to build a Robotaxi.

Roadster 2 is coming soon….. probably

And you can't even imagine how quickly it will do 60-0 after! It's gonna blow your mind!

And the boring company car tunnels that were supposed to be under multiple major cities and seeing thousands of users daily by now...

Additional 1 trillion market cap with automated optimus popcorn dispenser! Yes!

The way vehicle sales are declining, he actually may be telling the truth for once.

You do know now he will steal your idea of flying Tesla's and announce it soon like it was his idea?

He never believed this would work. Just buy him time.

Except in this case FSD stages for Feudal Serf Domination! You can work on billionaires estates on Mars with FSD!

The preorder page is still up!! Taking $50k deposits since 2017... https://www.tesla.com/roadster/reserve#payment

Serious money was thrown at Theranos for 12 years. And all the family offices needed to do to know it was a fraud was to actually talk to someone educated in the field. The arrogance and overconfidence in the financial industry are incredible. I used to work for a public company and would listen to the investor calls, and it was clear that almost none of the analysists knew anything about the industry at hand.

My bad. When the trillions are flowing like water easy to slip up.

That's just not good enough.The courts have said that just calling it full self driving is far too misleading and Tesla is liable.

The markets are where the only genuine bots are trading this thing. They follow algorithms set for daily trading. Humans do similar. It’s all a ponzi

1. Dream up roboty things and announce 2. ??? 3. Profit!

It was going to be: Gigafactories and Tesla's 'revolutionary' battery tech Tesla battery storage Then FSD Then the Tesla Semi Then Cyber Truck Then Robo Taxis Finally, we're at Robots Always something just around the corner to delude shareholders

What taxis? We do robots. 👀🙄

Don’t worry, that $1 trillion pay package will keep his attention for a week.

Yes, it frees up funds for AI. To the moon! lol

As a geologist, that is the one that made me realize he was full of shit. He said he could drill tunnels cheaper because - efficiencies (?). Tunnelling is a mature practice,.AI doesn't make crushing rock any easier.

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The Enron method, I’m familiar

> Or should I say the car uses it everywhere it drives. > It says you are still in control… the software makes it clear that you as the licensed driver are responsible. Read these again, slowly.

He's moved on to lying about something else.

Even Tesla bulls know that Musk's statements are just lie. Elon Musk distracting investors from current problems with the company by making over-promises about the future.

In the literal sense

On to plan B. Let his robots drive the teslas.

I think he is trying to bring some type of fascist regime to save his ass. He has some success by the way. With X he scared many people to vote Trump. Now he is with JD Vance for 2028 elections. USA is ripe for Venezuelization. Trump - Chaves, JD Vance - Maduro. If this happens, USA will be in chaos, the world in turmoil but the Felon Muzzcovy ass will be saved.

Why’d you contradict yourself?

What’s crazy though is everyone knows this is a fraud, but sort of just collectively shrug and buy in anyway. Everyone is sure they won’t be left holding the bag.

Elmo - "Autonomous driving and robotics are essentially the same problem of a machine navigating space, so when you solve one you essentially solve both." We're right around the corner!

I assume you mean automated buses? I don’t see how they would be “orders of magnitude” cheaper when one bus driver can handle a route that accommodates so many passengers. Also, bus drivers have a lot of important responsibilities besides driving such as assisting disabled passengers, collecting fares, handling situations with unsafe passengers… Automating a large vehicle is also harder to do safely, particularly one that operates near pedestrians routinely. Public transportation is largely a solved problem with traditional buses, metro, and trains. All extremely efficient vs cars.

Then it’s neural link but this time to Optimus robots so you can go out like movie surrogate in your robot avatar and do godknows what, maybe even become a safety driver for a robotaxi ;)

\> And all the family offices needed to do to know it was a fraud was to actually talk to someone educated in the field. Yes. I can confirm that. I have client who was a blood chemist, and he said people in the field always knew Theranos was nonsense. In addition, when THeranos was actually setting up blood testing, an expert hired by Walgreens (I think) was very dubious. So he was fired. And the testing went ahead, giving useless results.

80% valuation based on a clumsy robot that can hardly move but is also a [slow thinker](https://youtube.com/shorts/mOIxtSSa1NE?si=WPV4twBWXOh7O785)? Tesla is doomed.

If the preorder page was taken down he'd have to admit failure and there might be an impact on the stock as people notice the smoke and mirrors.

Next up is Transformers. Your Robotaxi will be Bumblebee.

lol, are star link and spaceX cons then?

Yea, that return landing space rocket was a hoax! Oh and those low orbiting internet satellites… A sham!

Is there any AI product or is he trying to Sell the word AI?

Tesla has always been a small car company attached to a massive Ponzi scheme.

The guy just watches 1960's cartoons like the Jetsons and Astroboy, steals the ideas and tells everyone he's a genius inventor. Surely at some point in the distant future it'll all work? Just send him your money already!

I bet a lot of these products could have been built in spite of elon rather than because of him, with his endless changing of goal posts and adding pointless things like make the cyber truck bullet proof, make it float etc etc.

Yes. Also, have a look at how much public dollars went into spaceX - what did the taxpayer get for it?

He's nowhere remotely close to making money from robots. He's propping up and increasing the stock price he borrows against with the idea that robots will someday be a big business and profitable. As long as there are plenty of people willing to be conned, it works. That is to say, he can keep this charade going for decades longer.

But he does rally enough cultists around him that will keep dropping money whenever he does a stunt, like the one last week with the 1 bn buyout. When the institutions figure out that the bubble will finally burt and get their capital out, it will come crumbling down and they will be left with empty bags.

it is no rev model for car maker: and he is behind.

blow musk more

Grift done, time for next grift, stock pumps.

You missed the Dojo AI supercomputer that was going to revolutionise the planet and was quietly dropped recently.

It's like the Wile E. Coyote moment right now, off the cliff, waiting for the drop.

He's mining Hopium and selling it via company stock to find more Hopium deposits to mine.

Awww shit, you're right. That was a great scam. Have Tesla funnel money to another company owned by Musk for zero return for Tesla Shareholders.

Is it just me or is this fsd thing being tackled in a totally backwards way?  Surely you would need the traffic signals and signs, and the roads themselves, to have some kind of electronic component in them that could communicate with vehicles.   When you have that you can build proper "smart"  vehicles that would be relatively easy to designand build.  And much safer. A bunch of independent,  autonomous cars sharing a dumb road with regular traffic and pedestrians is just a lot of engineering for an imperfect solution.  Maybe my solution doesn't have enough 'ai' in it.

And one you pay the deposit, you will never ever see your money or product ever again

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Don’t forget battery swap! Lol.

That was a very specific demo designed to make Tesla's eligible for a government subsidy that was supposed to exclude EVs. The subside required the ability to refuel in 5 minutes or less or something like that. That was Elon's one genuine talent... scanning the government for subsidy cash.

What Roadster 2? You mean the car that they collected massive amounts of money for preorders an that has been totally abandoned.

I hope they call the book about Tesla fraud „The dumbest guys in the room“

I‘m 99% sure that all the public Optimus demos are done via remote control. Nothing of that is AI or autonomous. As you say, just have a guy sit off camera and control it walking around

Where is the road star he promised years ago

It never wears off if you just keep dosing yourself, like the super-genius that you are

And also the big investors, who keep sucking Elon cock due to sunk cost fallacy

Shit, I forgot their Nazi AI chip too.

The grift will end when the money drys up. Neither Optimus or Robotaxi’s will generate any profits for the next 10 years and the cash cow (the car business), is collapsing because of a lack of investment. The old statement applies here. “How did you broke, slowly at first and then all of a sudden”

On the one hand kinda. On the other hand signs and traffic signals are generally the *least* challenging aspects of self driving cars. Detecting a limited set of bright, high contrast, easily differentiable symbols in a camera image is basically a solved problem. Cars can still miss signs or traffic lights if they happen to be partially obscured or broken, or the lighting conditions are bad. In these cases your proposal would help, however, it would also raise the question how the vehicle is *ever* supposed to deal with more difficult problems like detecting a child about to run onto the road or, temporary roadblocks, or a random object that fell off some vehicle, if you've already given up on the much simpler problem of just detecting a clearly recognizable sign.

What if, like Tesla, you solve neither?

You as a taxpayer are getting those?? How much goes into your bank account?

"I'm in a hole".. haha

What about our flamethrowers?

I'm highly positive that it will most likely launch at the end of next yaer.

they're still collecting, you can still pre-order it.

No no, now is a meme stock company. Apparently they figured it out that claiming vapowave in public makes the algorithms invest everything in the stock automatically. Just don't turn off the algorithms and this goes to infinity!

Here is one of his recent drug-fueled delusions, “the output of goods and services from Optimus will far exceed the global economy, of everyone on Earth”. These bizarre outbursts appear to come upon him like epileptic fits. The guy is clearly not well.

Elon is such a scammer. Makes up shit to get investors to roll in dough and then not deliver.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/s/cDTXFYg6tE Only had to wait 1 day for an example

And again: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/s/Aa7dHiMQeq

Sure it will, so it might be prudent to prepay $250k to secure one before everyone else. /s

Of which the car revenue was mostly government support, that is now gone.

This is WITH safety drivers.

Don't forget Thai cave rescue submarine...

Tesla boat, ATV, motorcycle, furnace/AC for the house, battery pack for camping, dildo......

Nothing about him is good lol

Next robot boats

The robots are going to be a gazillion dollar business. Tsla to the moon, then mars.

Well we had Tesla diggers

Have you compared Elon’s claims about SpaceX to what was actually achieved? No? Have a look. Con man.

In the daytime when it was not raining or foggy.

Optimus can't even scoop popcorn at the Tesla Diner in LA.

Right. He’s laughing all the way to the bank which he just bought by the way

Had he followed though that could have been actually revolutionary to the ev space. I looked at charging times and it's a hard nope it would drive my travel times way up on most of my travels, any fuel savings would be eaten up by an extra day in transit assuming I could recharge mid trip someplace convenient. Being able to battery swap at proposed rates would have made it practical.

It was never a product. It was just to 'show something' to claim he did his job for once (after promising for a decade). For s sake. He delayed the event last minute for several months to have SOMETHING to show. So he didn't even start after already being pushed into a corner by himself! "I did my homework but my dog ate it!" \*hands in a wet piece of paper with smudged ink\* "but i totally did it and it was so good - you should give me an A! - or A+!" This - except he stuffed that paper into his mouth before class, remembering he had to do 'something' the moment the bell rang. That's how hard he flunked it. And yet the teacher bought the story (and some more stocks

Dont forget the METAL SNAKE CHARGER!!!!!!

Stiff, cheap competiton has already got the drop on them this time though.  Won’t that be obvious pretty soon?